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<big><big><big>Hey guys!</big></big></big>

Remember how this page used to be about how certain Pokémon were ''missing'' from certain games, and how it confused the hell out of everyone? Yes? Well, thanks to [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|The Trom]]'s efforts, we've hopefully fixed that. The page now lists Pokémon and marks which versions they are or aren't available in. For more information, check out [[/Archive1#How about this?|this discussion]]. ---[[User:Martonimos|((<font color="#008000">Marton</font>]] [[User talk:Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">imos</font>))]] 12:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

==Archives==
*[[/Archive1|Archive 1]] (discussions from before the switch/October 5, 2006 &ndash; January 4, 2009)

==New discussion==
Looks good but even the ''not available'' boxes for the mystery dungeons link to the pages.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 16:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:That was a design technique of {{u|Jioruji Derako}}. It's the same for all boxes on this page. Available or not available, they all link to the page. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 21:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::Coulda' sworn it wasn't like that before but if they're all like that then it's OK.  Some other templates that use a similar system might have to be changed though. (ie. Move Tutors)--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 23:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== G instead of B ==

Anyone have any problems with it as it is? The note is clear enough that Green means US Blue and Blue means the Japanese one? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:This is great. The entire article is 100x better. The design just feels more welcoming. I'm ashamed I didn't think of this style before. As for the G/B thing, I think it's rather clear. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 15:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

== Emerald safari zone vs. Birds and Regis in Pt ==

Why is it we have the Emerald safari zone ones outside of the table, yet for certain Pokémon in Platinum, we mention them when both groups require the national dex?--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:##800080">13</span>]] 22:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:We can blame me for that. Because of the approx. 30 Emerald exclusives, I decided just to list them, or the table would be larger than the warnings previously here. Platinum didn't have as many exclusives as Emerald so I put them in the table. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 08:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Possible other tables ==

It might be helpful to have a table to show Pokemon completely unavailable in certain generations without trading with other generations (e.g. Mewtwo for Generation II, or Larvitar for Generation III). Perhaps even a table of those Pokemon to appear in every version of the game without trading might be interesting, if somewhat less useful. I admit, I can't really be bothered to do this myself at the moment, but I could later. [[User:Idantlol|Idantlol]] 22:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:The reason we haven't got these listed (particularly for Gen III) is because of the sheer amount of Pokemon excluded in the Hoenn games (see [[HDex]]). And typically, starters and legnedaries cannot be obtained in other games than their originals. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 06:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::Even so, it isn't an impossible task to list 186 pokemon (if we include Jirachi and Deoxys). If the worst comes to the worst, you could just make a separate page for it. As it is, it can be quite a hassle finding information on where some pokemon are actually found. [[User:Idantlol|Idantlol]] 18:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Seedot in Sapphire and Lotad in Ruby? ==
The article claims the following: ''"Surskit can be found in Pokémon Emerald, but only when the TV says they're swarming somewhere. Through the same way, Lotad and Seedot can be found in Ruby and Sapphire, respectively."'' The second doesn't seem right to me. I have played pokémon Sapphire for over 700 hours (I know, call me lifeles) and I have never met any Seedot swarm through the tv (I did see surskit and skitty swarms however). Also I looked it up on internet and I didn't find any info about seedot being catchable in Sapphire or Lotad in ruby. Even great sites like serebii.net never mention it and just say that the only way to get seedot in sapphire and lotad in ruby is by trading them from the other version. [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 17:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:You need to mix records with someone from the other game. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 02:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I have done that like fifty times with ruby players, sapphire players and emerald players. Can't someone upload a screenshot or a link to a video for evidence or something? [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 11:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS Version Exclusives ==

Hey I was browsing around the Net and Serebii just made a list of the version exclusive Pokémon. I don't know set the chart of them up. Could omeone do it, or tell me how? <font color="black">♪♪</font>[[User:ShinyPachirisu|<font color="red">Shiny</font>]] [[User Talk:ShinyPachirisu|<font color="blue">Pachirisu</font>]] <font color="purple">:)</font> <font color="black">♪♪</font> 19:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Any news if they are going to pull the American swith-a-roo with Phanpy and Teddiursa like in Generation II?[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 21:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
:None yet. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 21:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II: Japanese or American list? ==

The Gen II section opens with a comment explaining that the Pokémon exclusive to either Gold or Silver are reversed between version when you compare the Japanese to the American. However, it doesn't point out which nation's list is presented... Help? [[User:Doctorhook|Doctorhook]] 01:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:it quite obviously states that "in the Japanese versions, they ae the opposite" which must mean the lists are according to the English versions. after all, this is an English wiki. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 01:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

==Here's an Idea==
Even though that Latios and Latias are not true version exclusives because of the hacking or events, people can mistake them as version exclusives, but my plan is to mention this in a short paragraph with the intention of reducing confusion, but I need some input to see what other people think of this, though I do know what I will write about this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

==Missing from the List==
I don't know for sure, but i think Mr. Mime and Mime Jr. are exclusive to Diamond version (they may be in platinum, i'm not sure), but i know they're not in pearl.  At the same time, Bonsley and Suduwoodo are only in Pearl Version(again, i don't know about platinum)  I hope this helps:) {{unsigned|Canus albinus}}
:You can get the respective pre-evos in the Trophy Garden... and Mr. Mime is in Platinum, it's somewhere around Route 218. Sudowoodo's on 221 in Platinum. So they're in all the games. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|<span style="color:#d93f91;">Ťïňắ</span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#ae41d9;">♫</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#d941cf;">♥</span>]]</sup> 16:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

== Pokewalker ==

On the event {{pw|Rally}} and {{pw|Sightseeing}} courses, the player can get {{p|Sableye}} and {{p|Meowth}} respectively on both versions, though these are normally exclusives. Should this be mentioned? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 13:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:I doubt it. It's the case for lots of Pokéwalker courses... in fact, you can even get Pokémon you shouldn't be able to catch until after the National Dex. Maybe mentioning how the Pokéwalker changes the availability of Pokémon, but I wouldn't go beyond that. <span style="border: 1px dotted #D04634;">[[User:Jazzmoth|<span style="color:#0F5437">ʝɑzz</span><span style="color:#3E0F54">motɦ</span>]] [[User talk:Jazzmoth|<span style="color:#004AC8;"><sub>❝❞</sub>]][[Special:Contributions/Jazzmoth|✎</span>]]</span> 16:14, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

==Pokémon White==

Isn't the BW version exclusive list a bit... big? It seems kinda confusing. Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have a separate list for all the White Forest exclusives? We don't seem to include Pokémon that are found in Emerald's Safari Zone in Ruby and Sapphire's list. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 02:48, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Definition of version-exclusive Pokémon ==

Version-exclusive Pokémon are Pokémon which can be obtained in one game but not another when the games are in the same pair/triplet, without intervention from another game other than another of the same game. Events and the Dream World are not counted in this. It has nothing to do with wild availability. Cranidos and Shieldon are version exclusive, as are Persian and Primeape, despite not being available in the wild. Glitches are excluded completely. If you want to debate this, reply below. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
: Strongly agreed. Quite honestly, I'm not sure Monmen and Churine should even be listed as such, as you can get the other one via an in-game trade. [[User:Unknowen900|Unknowen900]] 06:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::I agree, the same goes for Volbeat, which can be obtained in White by breeding Illumise. Is it OK to remove them? <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 08:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
:::If we remove Monmen and Churine and leave a note, the same should go for Volbeat. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I'd just like to note that I noticed a typo I made in the original definition, so have changed it. Basically, it means that trade evolutions are OK because you can interact with a game as long as it is the same game version. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

==If you're insisting on having a whole table for White Forest Exclusive Pokémon...==

At least fix it so that the field for Pokémon Black doesn't show up in the table. It's pretty much unneeded otherwise. Also, add one for Emerald's Safari Zone exclusives as well. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 20:05, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, I added a table for Emerald's exclusives, but it's still not looking too good with those redundant fields for Ruby and Sapphire in them... [[User:PDL|PDL]] 20:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
::I think long lists look better in tables than in text. If you don't like the template being redundant, you can use something like [[Pokémon Black and White Versions#Version-exclusive Pokémon|the one on BW's page]], which is where I got the base code from, from where I then modified the list to look like all the others on this page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:56, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

== Colosseum/XD Version Exclusives ==

Should a list for Pokemon ''only'' available in these games be added? Basically, Espeon, Umbreon, Ho-Oh, {{tt|Lugia|and Shadow Lugia I suppose}} and Bonsly. I don't know if there are any others. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 22:11, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

:Bonsly shouldn't count because it cannot be caught, and only Ho-Oh and Lugia should matter since Espeon and Umbreon can still be found in the Gen. III handhelds. Just with different methods is all. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 22:14, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::Fair enough on Bonsly, but Espeon & Umbreon cannot be found in the handhelds ''at all'' without trading with another version, as Eevee is only available in FireRed/LeafGreen, and cannot evolve into those two in those two due to the removal of Time. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 22:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I am thinking of finding a way if possible to modify the locations on their pages to display this fact like "Trade as Eevee from FireRed and LeafGreen", but I haven't had much luck on that. Other than that I agree with your idea on that.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 22:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Volbeat, Monmen and Churine ==

Why were they added back? They are ''not'' version exclusives. They are obtaiable in both Black & White. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 10:59, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
:My mistake, I got mixed up with the Black & White page. But they should still be removed, since they are not version exclusives. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 11:06, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

== Genesect ==

The Shock Drive and Burn Drive are exclusive to Black, while the Chill Drive and Douse Drive are exclusive to White, thus making Genesects "forms" version exclusives (without trading the items), but should they be included here? <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 21:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:That is a very interesting point. Maybe since Genesect is not a true "Version Exclusive", but it's form is diffrent it should be mentioned on one of the trivia points below the version exclusive list for Generation V. That's just my idea. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 21:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon ==

Is it possible to evolve Porygon in Red Rescue Team? If yes, then Porygon2 isn't fully version-exclusive, since in Red Rescue Team it could be obtained by evolution (if it's possible to evolve Porygon in that game). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 08:14, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
:Porygon can be evolved, but Porygon 2 still counts as a version exclusive because either way you need a wondermail code in order to get one of them in the other version. Just like evolved main series Pokémon are listed, despite being able to evolve them from their pre-evolved forms - because a trade must be done at some point to get them. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 22:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

== M14 ==

It has version exclusives, should they be added? Since there wouldn't be much point in making a page only for anime exclusives. 

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<small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 18:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
:I think this would be a good idea. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:25, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

== Sawk and Throh ==

Following the links on their pages to each location they are allegedly available in, each lists Sawk as Black-exclusive and Throh as White-exclusive. There is no other information on how to obtain them in the Game Locations sections of their pages. If this is true, they should be added to the exclusives list. Otherwise, something needs to change on their pages. [[User:AsbestosBill|AsbestosBill]] 20:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, hang on, Sawk and Throh are version exclusive. However, this article does not state this and nor do their respective articles. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 20:16, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
::I've made the necessary changes to the three articles. I am 100% sure they are version exclusive as I have never found a wild Throh in my Black and each Route article and location article lists them as version exclusive. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 20:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Dammit, sorry guys, I missed the parts about them being found in rustling grass and have undone my edits. >_> ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 20:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
::::You know, we should have a section for Pokémon with differing encounter rates in each version, like Nageki and Dakegi have. Or give it its own page. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 21:06, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Scyther and Pinsir ==

This page says that Scyther and Pinsir are both available in Blue Version, but both of their pages say they are unavailable in the Japanese Blue. Which is correct? [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] 06:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
:Just noticed the same is true for Magmar. The page for Blue reflects Scyther and Pinsir being available in Blue, but Magmar being unobtainable [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] 06:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
::English Blue version exclusives are the same as Japan's Green Version. Scyther, Pinsir and Magmar are all available in the Japanes Blue Version--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 07:51, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Are you completely sure about that? Both Magmar's page and the Blue Version page say that Magmar is not available. I just want to be sure there isn't any misinformation on here. [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] 08:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Oh. Well in that case... *fixes error*--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 08:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

== Latios/Latias in RS ==

I'm wondering if some note should be made about those two? Technically you can obtain both in one version, however, this requires the use of an outside event. The same goes for HGSS, actually. It doesn't have to be added to the table, per se, I just thought it might be worth noting. But maybe people feel otherwise? [[User:Tina|platinatina]] ([[User talk:Tina|talk]]) 00:19, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

== Seedot, Lotad and Surskit vs. Regice and Registeel. ==

So how it goes? Both require interaction with another game, and I just realized it's a {{tt|mess for these|The availability lists them normally, with (S)warm and E(volve)}}, because in the first two' articles they're version exclusive (Surskit is Emerald's swarm, so it's a different tale), but for the last two, it doesn't say that. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 12:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

== Move to "Game-Exclusive Pokémon" ==

I don't necessarily agree with this specific name as this will make it sound like you can only obtain that Pokémon in that specific game and none of the others. But it changes from generation to generation. That was just my initial thought on the matter. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 15:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
:I agree that "game-exclusive Pokémon" is misleading. It may be more cumbersome, but I'd suggest some variation on "Pokémon that do not appear in all games in a group" (since, for example, it's not just generations; we also separate RSE from FRLG, DPPt from HGSS, and BW from B2W2). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:27, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
::I suggested the move because it appears to be [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon_101/game_exclusive/ the official name]. I'd rather keep it at this unofficial name than try and create some weird conjecture from "Pokémon that do not appear in all games in a group". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 19:37, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Ah! Didn't see that there was an official name. Well then, yes, I can't conceive of a legitimate argument against moving it eventually. It's just a matter of how long we want to wait to observe the official usage to ensure that it's not just a slapdash term on that page that is replaced by something else on another page. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:41, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
::::Can anyone find a second source that uses this phrase? If so then I would be in favor of the move since the word "Version" is already outdated by now (no Gen VI game uses the term anymore). [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] ([[User talk:Blueapple128|talk]]) 22:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

==Friend Safari==

Should it be noted that in X and Y, version exclusives can be found in the opposite version in the correct type Friend Safari sometimes?[[User:BraviaryGirl23|BraviaryGirl23]] ([[User talk:BraviaryGirl23|talk]]) 00:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

== There's a typo ==

In the Generation II section, it says that "Ekans and Sandslash can be obtained in Silver and Gold respectively as prizes from Goldenrod Game Corner". The prize in Gold is Sandshrew, not Sandslash.

[[User:AllAreEqual|AllAreEqual]] ([[User talk:AllAreEqual|talk]]) 19:42, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
:Fixed. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 20:27, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

== Kakuna can only be found in Wild for X, and Metapod can only be found for Y ==

Save for Friend Safari, of course, but that only counts for Kakuna. This should be listed here, alongside the version exclusives in Friend Safari. [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 18:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

== Gen I In-Game Trading Pokemon ==

Of the four Gen I Pokemon only available through trading (Gengar, Alakazam, Golem, and Machamp), you can get Golem and Gengar in the Japanese Blue Version and you can get Machamp in all releases of Pokemon Yellow, all through in-game trades.

Should someone add those three Pokemon to the Gen I list, since they technically are exclusively available in those games? [[User:PalletTownie|PalletTownie]] ([[User talk:PalletTownie|talk]]) 20:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

==Example error==
The example at the top of the page currently states that players of Pokemon Ruby will be unable to obtain Mawile. I'd change it myself, but I lost the edit button. [[User:Phineas81707|Phineas81707]] ([[User talk:Phineas81707|talk]]) 06:26, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

==Remoraid in Pokemon Crystal==
Remoraid is catchable in Pokemon Crystal on route 44 with the Super Rod. [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|talk]]) 19:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]]
:The Route 44 page doesn't say it's available. What evidence do you have that says it is? [[User:Litwick96|<span style="color:purple">Litwick</span>]]<small>[[User Talk:Litwick96|<span style="color:grey">96</span>]]</small> 21:11, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
The page is right. It looks like Remoraid can't be caught in Pokemon Crystal, I confirmed that. Other pages say Remoraid is catchable on Route 44 with the Super Rod, or by checking the swarms, but that looks to be incorrect. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96}}

== Renaming back to Version-Exclusive? ==

In a recent Sun and Moon trailer, it refers to Game-Exclusives as 'Version Exclusives.' (Specifically, it says 'A Sneak Peek at Version-Exclusive Pokémon!'), implying that it's officially known as Version-Exclusives in english. Should the page be renamed to reflect this again? [[User:Pokemonred200|Pokemonred200]] ([[User talk:Pokemonred200|talk]]) 15:09, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

:I'd support that, since it's been officially referred to as such in a trailer. It also makes more sense - version is more specific, and already carries the implication of being in the same generation. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 18:00, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

:: I also like that idea. [[User:GMario3826|GM_3826]] ([[User talk:GMario3826|talk]]) 12:44, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Strange that this discussion was abandoned. I do agree. I also feel like there’s a rules conflict between “Please discuss on the talkpage” in the template, but also the practice of “no replying to conversations older than 6 months”. Should I spin my comment off into a new section to resuscitate discussion?--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 00:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
::::The talk page policy reads "''Unless an old conversation is still relevant and there is a good reason to revitalize discussion'', comments on sections older than six months old should not be made." I see no confilict, I'd argue that an ongoing move discussion is necessarily still relevant. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:15, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
:::::It's worth noting that this page was originally moved to "game-exclusive Pokémon" because [http://archive.is/hv4VF that term was used officially]. Although "version-exclusive Pokémon" does have more recent official use, and is probably the more common term amongst the fandom. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

::::::So let's move it already! "Game-exclusive" has only ever been used to refer to X and Y's version exclusives. Everywhere else used "version-exclusive." Honestly, I don't think we needed to move page for what X and Y called it. Though I guess we would have only known the term would only be temporary in hindsight. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
:I agree that this page should be moved back to its original title. "Version-exclusive" is both the common fan usage ''and'' the more recent official usage. [[User:Bwburke94|bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 03:34, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
:People have discussed moving this page since 2016 with seemingly no objections. Can we get someone with the permission to do so to actually move the page? 16:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

== Merging the lists of Gen 5 games? ==

Would it be better if the four games have the same chart for Gen 5 Pokemon so that one can see which Gen 5 Pokemon are in B/W but not in B2/W2 and vice versa? (Zorua, Zoroark, Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus)
Then there can be one more list for each pair to show the version-exclusive pre-Gen 5 Pokemon. {{unsigned|‎Fortranm}}
:...I don't see the advantage of that whatsoever. Every other section is in pairs/groups, so mashing two groups together seems like it'd be far too cluttered. And having separate lists for Gen 5 Pokemon and pre-Gen 5 Pokemon is really, really not part of the intended scope of this page at all. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:17, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::B2/W2 are the third version of Gen 5 in a sense even though they are direct sequels to the first paired version. The first paired versions and the third versions are listed together for all first 4 generations. The format I proposed is just like the format for RSE. {{unsigned|‎Fortranm}}
:::They're really not a "third version", they're a new, separate set of additional versions. Third versions generally copy the original games' story and wild Pokemon distributions with only small alterations here and there, while in B2W2 these have been entirely thrown out and new ones created from scratch. You're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:51, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

== Stantler in Pokémon Crystal? ==
Stantler is obtainable in Pokémon Crystal,but the page is saying that it is not possible to get a stantler in Pokémon Crystal. {{unsigned|Eduardo390}}
:Stantler is not listed here as it can be obtained in GSC and is not exclusive to any of the three games and being excluded from another game. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 22:00, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
::Because i Fixed this! ''[[User:Eduardo390|<span style="color:teal">Eduardo390</span>]]'' 18:04, 13 May 2020 (UTC-03:00)Brazilia
:::Not sure what you are referring to. You have made no edits to this page or Stantler's page. Page appears to be fine as it is. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 21:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

== Version-exclusive ==

I think we should rename this page "Version-exclusive Pokémon" as even the official Pokémon YouTube channel uses the term, as seen in this video: https://youtu.be/m8lfI66T5II {{unsigned|Alolan Ninetales}}
:Note: there is already a discussion about this three sections up. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:15, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

== Lycanroc in Gen VII ==

I feel that we should list Midday Lycanroc and Midnight Lycanroc as exclusive to Sun/Ultra Sun and Moon/Ultra Moon, respectively. I just tried to evolve a couple Rockruff in Ultra Moon. One evolved into Midnight Lycanroc perfectly fine, but the other wouldn't evolve at all. I found a Reddit post addressing this exact same issue in Sun and Moon, and the solution was that Midday Lycanroc is exclusive to Sun, despite daytime existing in Moon, and vice-versa. Shall I go ahead and update the page accordingly? [[User:Knowitall|Knowitall]] ([[User talk:Knowitall|talk]]) 22:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
:The evolution methods are game exclusive in SMUSUM, but the Lycanroc forms are not. It is still possible to catch wild Midday Lycanroc in Moon/Ultra Moon and vice versa. --[[User:AmbientDinosaur|AmbientDinosaur]] ([[User talk:AmbientDinosaur|talk]]) 07:30, 13 December 2021 (UTC)