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Those that didn't debut yet: N/A for the episode box. Those which have debuted, but only in a movie: asterisk linking to the page of the movie in question. <s>Non-legendaries which debuted in a movie but later appeared in the main anime: main anime episode number only. Legendaries which debuted in a movie and later appeared in the main anime: episode number of anime debut followed by an asterisk linking to the movie debut.</s> '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:Current standard: Any Pokémon which debuts in a movie, special episode, or Pikachu short: main anime episode number followed by an asterisk linking to the movie, special episode, or Pikachu short. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:10, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

== Pikachu Shorts ==

Do they count too?--[[User:Gyarachu|Gyarachu]] 20:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Specials ==

What about the specials and made-for-TV movies, like Legend of Thunder? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 20:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:That's where the issue lies. For Raikou, really. LOT kinda counts like a movie for this purpose, so make it the asterisk. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

== Mewtwo ==

Does Mewtwo's appearance in ''[[EP063|Battle of the Badge]]'' count, as it was wearing armour? If not, when is it first seen without armour, [[EP065|when it destroys Team Rocket's headquaters]], or in the first movie? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 21:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:Not a flashback, not a TV, so yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

== this is odd ==

If the title of the article is "List of Pokémon by anime debut" then why does it have a list of Pokémon with their anime debut right next to them??? "By" means "in order of" in this context. We need to re-order it or rename it. --[[User:RexRacer|'''<font color="#E7CE6B">Rex</font>]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|<font color="#42528C">Racer</font>''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''<font color="#FF5A00"><small>''-talk''</small></font>''']] 22:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

:While the list is sortable, it appears to simply be a text sort. i.e. * for movies at the top, followed by AG, then DP, ''then'' EP for the original series. At least could that be fixed? (Sorry, I don't know how) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 08:29, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
::The only idea I have is to create a third "airing order" column with straight numerals for easy sorting. However, I've asked TTE for help; hopefully he'll be able to come up with something more streamlined. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]<sub>([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])</sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 08:36, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Hopefully, adding and commenting out the numerical order before the linked text will get it to sort properly. The thing is, someone'll have to go through and add them all. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]<sub>([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])</sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 23:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

== Chatot in AG183 ==

It says that Chatot was in AG183. I've seen that episode, and I don't remember a Chatot. I went to AG183's page. It doesn't say anything about a Chatot.--[[User:Pokelova|PokelovaAni393MS.png‎]] 09:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
: It's suppose to be [[AG184]]....--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 09:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Episode Pages ==

''Another'' question. Should the episode pages be updated to match this list, as many of them include Pokémon in different episodes, e.g. [[EP001]] lists {{p|Gengar}} in the debuts section (although it does point out that it debuted on TV) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 09:05, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

== Splitting ==

Anyone think the list should be divided into sub-sections? Its just too huge. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 20:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo==
Wasn't the episode with the 8th gym battle Mewto`s debut? --<span style="color:#50C878">×</span>[[User talk:Impoleon xy|<span style="color:#50C878;">'''Impoleon xy'''</span>]]<span style="color:#50C878">×</span> 16:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:No, but it certainly was Mew''two'''s debut. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
::Haha. -.- Sorry for that little mistake. --<span style="color:#50C878">×</span>[[User talk:Impoleon xy|<span style="color:#50C878;">'''Impoleon xy'''</span>]]<span style="color:#50C878">×</span> 17:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== would it count? ==

Of course they aren't real, but wouldn't the mechanical charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise, Pikachu, Rhydon, Zapdos, Moltres, Kabutops in EP017 count as an anime debut?--[[User:Force Fire|<font color="AAAAFF">FF</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|<font color="FFAAAA"><small>edits</small></font>]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="999999"><small>talk</small></font>]]) 07:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== I'm curious . . . ==

. . . I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to start an article about Pokémon that debut before their respective generation. The page would be big enough. All we would have to do is gather the information in chronological order of course and make sort of a history page about it. If you think a whole page is unnecesarry we could implement it into this-> [[History of Pokémon|♫]] It would take time but it would probably become a decent sized article and we could make a few links to it {{p|Marill|h}}{{p|Azurill|e}}{{p|Wailmer|r}}{{p|Buizel|e}} {{p|Manaphy|a}}{{p|Donphan|n}}{{p|Kecleon|d}} {{p|Munchlax|t}}{{p|Electivire|h}}{{p|Ho-Oh|e}}{{p|Lugia|r}}{{p|Slowking|e}}.[[User:Landfish7| <font color="purple">Land</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Broadway"><small><font color="blue">fish</font></small></span>]]<font color="red"><sup>7</sup></font> 21:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Sandile ==

He's listed twice, once with Waruvile's sprite. I'd fix it but its too long for my browser.--[[User:Burgundy|<font color="yellow">Bu</font><font color="red">rg</font>]][[User talk: Burgundy|<font color="blue">un</font><font color="green">dy</font>]] 19:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== How About Two Tables? ==

One for physical debuts, and one for actual debuts, I think this would be ''much'' better. Either like this, or similar, or one table listed in a different section:
<div style="float:left">
{| {{bluetable2|c sortable}} align="center"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Icon
! Name
! Episode
|-
|088
|{{MSP|088|Grimer}}
|{{p|Grimer}}
|<span style="display:none">S1</span>[[EP030]]
|-
|094
|{{MSP|094|Gengar}}
|{{p|Gengar}}
|<span style="display:none">S1</span>[[EP023]]
|-
|095
|{{MSP|095|Onix}}
|{{p|Onix}}
|<span style="display:none">S1</span>[[EP005]]
|}
</div>

<div style="float:right">
{| {{bluetable2|c sortable}} align="center"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Icon
! Name
! Episode
|-
|088
|{{MSP|088|Grimer}}
|{{p|Grimer}}
|<span style="display:none">S1</span>[[EP026]]
|-
|094
|{{MSP|094|Gengar}}
|{{p|Gengar}}
|<span style="display:none">S1</span>[[EP001]]
|-
|095
|{{MSP|095|Onix}}
|{{p|Onix}}
|<span style="display:none">S1</span>[[EP001]]
|}
</div>
<small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 15:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

{{-}}
:Perhaps instead of two tables, there could just be two columns? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::I agree, that would be a lot better (why didn't I think of that...) <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 14:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I think it would be cool to have either another column or another page for the first time a Pokémon depiction appears on screen in the anime. For example, in ''[[EP001|Pokemon! I Choose You]]'' we see decorations in Ash's room of Pokémon like {{p|Snorlax}}, {{p|Poliwag}}, and {{p|Clefairy}}. Another example is in ''[[EP013|Mystery at the Lighthouse]]'', we see Bill inside the {{p|Kabuto}} costume.  [[User:Vi|Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi|talk]]) 21:00, 6 February 2025 (UTC)


==Order==
Since this page is a list of Pokémon by anime debut, shouldn't they be in that order rather than NDex order? I know it is sortable, but it would make more sense to sort them this way, since it says that it is in the title. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:Agree. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 10:08, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:It might also help to split the table into seasons/sagas, since a single giant table with a single column is a little unweldly...[[User:PDL|PDL]] 01:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC).    I think Pokémon should be listed by their  debut. [[User:ReaNintendo|ReaNintendo]] 13:14, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

==Does Haxours's appearence really count?==
Since it's been made clear at the top of the page that the list only counts actual physical appearences, Haxours's appearences have so far only been in dreams and imagine spots. Fraxure had the benefit of appearing in a flashback. I just want it to be consistant.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 01:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
:You're right, our current (ridiculous) definition means that they both shouldnt be there (flashbacks don't count either.)
:(user points to ''How About Two Tables?'' section above. : )
<small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 10:04, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
::1)I'd like to point out that both Fraxure and Haxuros appeared in a dream that was manufested into reality. 2)It was a good enough debute for them to start appearing in the opening. [[User:05308|<font color="blue">Diamond</font>]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|<font color="yellow">Lanturn</font>]] [[User talk:05308|<font color="red">CodeName: 05308</font>]] 10:09, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Hmmm... I forgot about that. Having said that, the text on the page does state that:
:::''This list counts only actual appearances as official. Pokémon which appear on TV in the anime or in another manner before debuting in physical form, such as Nidorino and Gengar in EP001, count as debuting when they physically appear, not when they are first seen.''
:::Since as far as I can remember, they both only appeared in Iris's imagination, and in flashbacks, they are best kept hidden untill someone changes this rule (If an Admin is reading this, please do) <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 10:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Agreed, I am waiting for Kenji's word on a few things, this being one of them [[User:05308|<font color="blue">Diamond</font>]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|<font color="yellow">Lanturn</font>]] [[User talk:05308|<font color="red">CodeName: 05308</font>]] 10:22, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Menu sprites for Generation VI Pokémon needed ==

Anyone please replace these question mark menu sprites to menu sprites of Generation VI Pokémon please? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 10:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== Fantasy ==

So that includes Pokémon debuted in an episode but only in a fantasy? --[[User:Cinday123|<span style="color:pink">Cinday123</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Cinday123|<span style="color:lightblue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 07:39, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

== Gen7 form differences ==

All the individual forms are listed for some Gen7 Pokémon (Oricorio, Lycanroc, Wishiwashi, Minior and Magearna) but not for Silvally, Solgaleo or Lunala. Is there any reason for this? Should the others be added? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] ([[User talk:Kidburla|talk]]) 21:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
:I think Silvally shouldn't be listed for pretty much the same reason as Arceus: there's about a dozen and a half forms that don't really differ significantly, and the odds are poor that the anime will go out of its way to show every last one of them. As for Solgaleo and Lunala, I dunno. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

== Inconsistency ==

I’ve been looking around a bit, and I've noticed this site is really inconsistent as to what counts as an actual Pokémon debut, primarily when it comes to physical appearance versus non-physical, fake, or fantasy appearances. For instance: {{p|Mew}}'s main anime debut is considered to be ''[[SM042|Alola, Kanto!]]''. While it previously appeared in ''[[DP092|A Lean Mean Team Rocket Machine!]]'', we're apparently not counting that appearance because it was in a fantasy. Meanwhile, the English dub debut of {{p|Dratini}} is considered to be ''[[EP037|Ditto's Mysterious Mansion]]'' rather than ''[[EP251|Beauty is Skin Deep]]'', despite the fact the former was in a fantasy. [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 13:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

:Agreed. I'd like to know what the standard is for this article as well. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
::In that case, Dratini had already appeared in EP035, which was banned in the US. The EP037 "debut" is noting that it's the first time it has appeared outside of Japan (another example is Porygon for EP047).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:14, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
:::Oh, okay. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:28, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

== Order by episode ==

Shouldn't this be ordered by episode and not just anime? [[User:FireLizard|FireLizard]] ([[User talk:FireLizard|talk]]) 21:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
: You'll need to be more descriptive in your question, if you click on the episode header it does sort by anime episode. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 00:06, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

==Dynamax and Totem==
I was looking through the list and I was wondering, should Dynamax and Totem Pokemon really be included here? Totem Pokemon are just slightly larger than their regular form, other than the Totem Togedemaru, they aren't much different. While Dynamaxing can be applied to all pokemon (well, those available in the galar games), sans Zacian, Zamazenta, and Eternatus, and pokemon that do undergo this don't have drastic changes in their appearance, unlike the Mega and Gigantamax forms. [[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]] ([[User talk:Animaltamer7|talk]]) 11:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, I also agree that the Dynamax sections are unnecessary. At some point, every Pokémon may have a Dynamax section if this is continued. --[[User:TotallyTob|<span style="color:#ffd500">'''T'''</span><span style="color:#ffea00">otally</span><span style="color:#ffd500">'''T'''</span><span style="color:#ffea00">ob</span>]] 21:42, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
::There's not ''that'' many Totem and Dynamax Pokémon that have appeared in the anime. Some users might find it interesting to see which ones have appeared and when they debuted. I think it could potentially do more harm than good to take them out. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 04:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

== [[Terastal phenomenon|Terastallization]] ==

Why should there be a section on this especially when that’s not a different form unlike say Mega Evolution? [[User:Pikmin3WiiU|<span style="color:green">Pikmin 3</span>]] [[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|<span style="color:purple">Wii U</span>]] 00:41, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
:Not sure I understand. I don't see a section for Terastallization, and Megas ''are'' also listed on this page. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#32b761">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#5f6775"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 13:22, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
::There is a section on Tera Bug {{p|Teddiursa}} and Tera Ice {{p|Altaria}}. [[User:Pikmin3WiiU|<span style="color:green">Pikmin 3</span>]] [[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|<span style="color:purple">Wii U</span>]] 15:30, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Pikmin is asking why Terastallized forms are counted as debuts, which I'm kinda 50/50 about. Unlike Megas which is a completely new design/appearance, Terastallization is the same form but with a nice hat. I also noticed Dynamax is also counted when its technically the same form but bigger, unlike Gigantamax forms which completely changes the Pokémon's appearance. Again, I'm 50/50, I can see why it would count (new appearance of a kind of form) but I can see why it wouldn't (not a new design).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#80964B">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#80964B">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#C4E673">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C4E673">ire</span>]] 04:34, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
::::I think I would be for removing Terastallization and Dynamax as they are not technically considered forms/form changes in the games. I also think including Terastallization adds a bit too much bloat, as there are already 26 entries just for different types of Terastallization and that'll only continue to increase. [[User:Minibug|Minibug]] ([[User talk:Minibug|talk]]) 11:27, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::That seems reasonable. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#32b761">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#5f6775"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 04:14, 9 February 2025 (UTC)