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== Congratulations! ==

Because of your work on the Missingno. article, I, Missingno. Master, do hereby award you the Golden Missingno. Award for the month of March 2009!  Simply copy 
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<small>Disclaimer: This award is not officially sanctioned by the administration of Bulbapedia, and is awarded solely at the discretion of Missingno. Master.  Nevertheless, it is a great honor for Missingno. Master to recognize someone as worthy of this award.</small>  I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]].  See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 00:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


Hello, I would very much appreciate if you changed the so-called Japanese name of the "Order of the Glitch" (as shown on [[User:Missingno._Master/The_Order_of_the_Glitch|this page]] to '''グリッチ団'''. ''Ketsuban'' is Japanese for [[Missingno.]] specifically, not for all glitches. I cannot stop you from listing your "Japanese name" as "けつばんマスタ", but I would prefer not to be associated with a whackjob like you. Thanks! [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 01:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:Fine.  Just don't call me a whackjob, OK?  I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]].  See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 10:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

== Lorelei ==
What happened to Lorelei's pokemon, tell me it here and I'll make the article, I just don't know what to make it on?--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 02:45, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:I believe we had agreed on {{red link|Lorelei's Cloyster}}.  However, someone came in my talk page and removed the brackets that made that a link, and then I archived my talk page.  So yeah, Lorelei's Cloyster.  Just a warning, however, I'm not entirely sure that the admins will be happy about that.  I got an earful for creating [[Koga's Venomoth]] because it apparently "wasn't notable enough".  But my arguments perservered.  I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]].  See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 10:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::so which of us should make it, you're better at it, I haven't been warned so I'm innocent--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 20:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::I can't believe that we are being troubled for '''this''' article when we have a way less useful article on [[Johanna's Glameow]], IT ONLY APPEARS IN A FLASHBACK (battling that is) Johanna isn't even an elite 4 member and her glameow hasn't even been seen in the games. Cloyster's been seen, battled and is part of a game (besides, Lorelei deserves a pokemon article ''way'' more than Johanna does)--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 01:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Very true.  Now, I don't think it matters which one of us makes it.  I don't have the time to make the article at the moment.  So if you're willing, perhaps you could make it now?  If not, I'll make the article tomorrow morning.  I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]].  See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 01:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::You'll have to get a picture and supply ... improvements but I'm making it--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 02:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::Koga's Venomoth only survived because it has cards based off of it. Sorry to tell you, but neither Lorelie or Prime has had cards, so guess what...it is gone. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 03:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:And not only that but you didn't have anything else to base it on.--[[User:Pokemongirl1|Masta 
Pokemongirl]] 00:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually PG1, we based it off of the anime appearance and game data.

Well, they deleted and protected it :( nogo on the lorelei unless you can convince them to restore it somehow I'm already trying--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 03:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:There's no card for Johanna's Glameow, why not delete that too, how about [[Juan's Milotic]], [[Wattson's Manectric]], [[Brawly's Hariyama]], [[Bugsy's Scyther]], [[Byron's Bastiodon]], [[Chuck's Machoke]], [[Cissy's Blastoise]], [[Clair's Dragonair]], [[Crasher Wake's Floatzel]], [[Drake's Dragonite]], [[Falkner's Pidgeot]], [[Fantina's Drifblim]], [[Flannery's Torkoal]], [[Luverin]], [[Maylene's Lucario]], [[Morty's Gengar]], [[Norman's Slaking]], [[Pryce's Piloswine]], [[Roark's Rampardos]], [[Roxanne's Nosepass]], [[Rudy's Starmie]], [[Sabrina's Haunter]], [[Wallace's Milotic]], [[Whitney's Miltank]] and even this [[Winona's Swellow|cute shiny bird]]. By that logic, you should even delete [[Ash's Pikachu]]!--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 04:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I tried talking to them and their decision stands firm. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 04:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Crasher Wake's Floatzel, Falkner's Pidgeot, Fantina's Drifblim, Morty's Gengar, Whitney's Miltank, Sabrina's Haunter, Pryce's Piloswine and Ash's Pikachu have all had cards. Learn the background before you try to act smart, because you really ended up looking like a fool right now. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 04:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::This is ridiculous.  I thought EVERY Gym Leader and Elite 4 member got an article for their most notable Pokémon.  I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]].  See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 10:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::No, Pokémon ''ONLY'' get a page if they are '''NOTABLE ENOUGH''', a.k.a. in more than one episode. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">512</span>]]''' 14:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Ah, of course, how silly of me.  How COULD I have forgotten the MULTITUDE of episodes in which [[Lucy's Seviper]], [[Bruno's Onix]], [[Winona's Swellow]], [[Cissy's Blastoise]], [[Rudy's Starmie]], [[Bugsy's Scyther]], and [[Roxanne's Nosepass]] appeared!  Oh wait!  I know how I could've forgotten the multitude of episodes in which they appeared!  BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY MULTITUDES OF EPISODES IN WHICH THEY APPEARED!  Each of the above Pokémon has only had ONE SINGULAR APPEARANCE APIECE!  One!  Uno!  Un!  One-ay!  Less than two and more than zero!  In other words, the EXACT SAME number of appearances as Lorelei's Cloyster.  Really, the notability rules for Pokemon articles should be as thus:

Main characters (including Ash, Misty, May, Brock, Dawn, Max, Tracey, Snap, should he capture anything, Jessie, and James: EVERYTHING THEY'VE EVER OWNED.  No matter how briefly.

Gym Leaders, Rivals, Frontier Brains, Recurring characters, Elite Four, and Champions: Their most notable Pokemon.  If one of them uses two Pokemon equally and simultaneously (Liza and Tate, Tucker, Luana), both Pokemon get articles.

I've always thought this was how it was.  And if it isn't like this, I say it should be.  Besides, Lorelei uses Cloyster in the games, and if memory serves, the manga as well.  I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]].  See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 14:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:I see more users for the article than against it as well...--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 20:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
::Really? well i see three versus two. better get the old abacus out whackjob2 --[[User:Pokemongirl1|Masta Pokemongirl]] 00:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
First of all did u say singular? (o.O) and besides, just leave it alone. admins no wut they are doing. and your sig must be changed.--[[User:Pokemongirl1|Masta Pokemongirl]] 23:17, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
::We have decided that if you can get the manga information, and have it represented well enough, we might let the article slip through the notablility cracks. But, until then, it will not exist. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 23:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Besides, Cloyster isn't an important pokemon of [[Lorelei]]'s. All the pokemon u named above are all the main pokemon of that trainer. Even though they all had '''''"SINGULAR"''''' appearances, the other pokemon had more important ones. so back off.--[[User:Pokemongirl1|Masta Pokemongirl]] 00:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

== So ==

We're giving up on Lorelei's pokemon or will we argue and/or try to make a different one (asking [[User:Maverick Nate|th]][[User:Theryguy512|em]] if it's possible first)?--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 16:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:I dunno, those admins can be so friggin' stubborn it's almost impossible to change their minds.  And forget going against them, that's practically begging to be blocked.  Besides, in the anime, Lorelei's Cloyster is probably her most notable Pokemon.  Still not sure on that point, but I believe it DID get the most screentime out of all Lorelei's Pokemon, even if only by a slight margin.  I think we should let this matter go for a while, then bring it up again with a damn good argument to back it up.  I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]].  See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 20:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
::It's her most notable in the manga as well, along with Dewgong, here's what I got so far.

What I previously had +:

<nowiki>==In the Manga==</nowiki>
In the manga, Lorelei's Cloyster is one of her main Pokémon. In ''[[PS045|Cloystered]]'', it appeared as Lorelei's main Pokémon. With her Dewgong, Cloyster traps {{special|Yellow}} and [[Bill]] in a cave by collapsing the entrance with a {{m|Spike Cannon}}. When Yellow tries to escape, Cloyster sends an {{m|Ice Beam}}-powered Spike Cannon which stops them. Eventually, they do escape and Yellow attacks with {{P|Pikachu}}, it uses {{m|Thunderbolt}} and Lorelei tells Cloyster to {{m|Withdraw}} into its shell and Pikachu's Thunderbolt bounces off harmlessly.

After a long chase, Lorelei gets Cloyster to {{m|Aurora Beam}} Yellow and Bill, [[Status ailment#Freeze|Freezing]] them in place. Then Lorelei tries to extract information from Yellow by getting Cloyster to bombard them with its {{m|Supersonic}}, a {{p|Rattata}} comes and rescues them at the last minute.

<nowiki>===Moves used===</nowiki>
*{{m|Spike Cannon}}
*{{m|Withdraw}}
*{{m|Aurora Beam}}
*{{m|Supersonic}}
*{{m|Ice Beam}}
*{{m|Blizzard}}

here's a quote from {{u|Maverick Nate}} to me: "We have decided that if you can get the manga information, and have it represented well enough, we might let the article slip through the notablility cracks. But, until then, it will not exist". So that means that if we get an In the Manga section, he'll let it slip!!--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 23:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:Moves always get capitalized, with the proper CamelCase, Manga chapters are just like anime episodes, and must be italic and link to the actual epicode. And two paragraphs? Not enough. If it had such a major role in the manga, it should definitly have more than two paragraphs. Lorelei's only getting one, so don't expect to make Dewgong. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 19:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
::I've added more info at the bottom.--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 19:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Okay listen... ==

'''Glitches are not real Pokémon.''' Period. If I see you getting in to another fight over this then you will be blocked for one week. Is that understood. Glitches are not recognized by GameFreak or Nintendo as Pokémon. If they did then they would have Dex numbers and be available in every game. Also real Pokémon don't screw up your game if you catch them. Now get over it already. No matter how much they act like them, they aren't real Pokémon. They are merely programming errors. Think what you want of them but keep your opinion off of Bulbapedia. Are we clear? --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 01:17, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:Fine.  I will keep my Glitch Pokémon beliefs off Bulbapedia.  I suppose I CAN have this sort of stuff on my userpage, though?  I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]].  See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 02:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::Sure, knock yourself out. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 03:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== So ==

Will we submit a new page to the admins? as seen in my last section they said that if we can represent manga info. well enough than we can remake it. Here's more Manga info.

In ''[[PS073|Valiant Venomoth]]'', Lorelei appears again, this time riding in her Cloyster, to battle [[Blue (Special)|Blue]] and [[Sabrina]]. She uses Voodoo dolls made from her {{p|Jynx}} to freeze their hands together. Cloyster then uses {{m|Ice Beam}} on them and it barely misses them. Blue sends out {{P|Nidorina}} and Sabrina uses {{P|Venomoth}}. Nidorina {{m|Take Down|charges}} at Cloyster and Venomoth uses {{m|Sleep Powder}}. Cloyster uses {{m|Blizzard}} to blow the Sleep Powder into Nidorina's face which puts her to sleep. Venomoth charges again and again with Cloyster Withdrawing each time so that all the attacks don't hit. Eventually Cloyster falls over, fainted, Venomoth had been using {{m|Leech Life}} that whole time.

Cloyster also makes a small appearance getting defeated by a {{p|Blastoise}}'s {{m|Hydro Pump}} in ''[[PS084|Clefabulous Clefable]]''.

== Lorelei's Cloyster ==
<nowiki>{{MissingInfo|1|enva}}</nowiki>

{{AnimePokémonInfobox|
type1=Water|
type2=Ice|
trainername=Lorelei|
pokemonname=Cloyster|
jtrainername=アヤコ|
jpokemonname=ニャルマー|
tmtrainername=Canna|
tmpokemonname=Parshen|
image=none.png|
caption=Lorelei with Cloyster|
epnum=EP099|
epname=The Mandarin Island Miss Match|
prevonum=091|
current=[[Party|With Lorelei]]|
java1=Unknown|
}}

'''Lorelei's Cloyster''' (Japanese: '''アヤコのニャルマ''' ''Canna's Parshen'') is a [[Pokémon]] owned by [[Lorelei]] in the Anime, Games and Manga.

<nowiki>==In the Anime==</nowiki>

In ''[[EP099|The Mandarin Island Miss Match]]'', Lorelei uses Cloyster against numerous opponents in a tournament and defeats them all. Eventually Ash challenges her to a battle. They agree to use one Pokémon each, and Lorelei uses Cloyster against {{tp|Ash|Pikachu}}. Pikachu uses a {{m|Thunderbolt}}, but Cloyster {{m|Withdraw}}s into its shell and the attack hits it harmlessly. Pikachu uses {{m|Agility}}, but Cloyster uses {{m|Reflect}} and Pikachu gets whacked backwards. Pikachu uses {{m|Thunder}} and it hits Cloyster, who starts to {{m|Rage|glow red}}. Pikachu tries to use {{m|Quick Attack}}, but is defeated by an {{m|Aurora Beam}}-{{m|Take Down}} combo. Ash loses.

<nowiki>===Moves used===</nowiki>

*{{m|Withdraw}}
*{{m|Reflect}}
*{{m|Rage}}
*{{m|Aurora Beam}}
*{{m|Take Down}}

<nowiki>==In the Games==</nowiki>

Lorelei uses Cloyster in every game she appears in.

<nowiki>===</nowiki>[[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Red, Blue]] [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|and Green]]<nowiki>===</nowiki>

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* {{m|Supersonic}}
* {{m|Clamp}}
* {{m|Aurora Beam}}
* {{m|Spike Cannon}}
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<nowiki>===</nowiki>[[Pokémon Yellow Version|Pokémon Yellow]]<nowiki>===
</nowiki>

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* {{m|Supersonic}}
* {{m|Clamp}}
* {{m|Ice Beam}}
* {{m|Spike Cannon}}
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<nowiki>===</nowiki>[[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]]<nowiki>===</nowiki>

<nowiki>====First Time====</nowiki>

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* {{m|Spikes}}
* {{m|Dive}}
* {{m|Hail}}
* {{m|Protect}}
</div>
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<nowiki>====Second Time====
</nowiki>

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{{#if: {{{OT1}}} | 
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<div style="float: right;">♀</div>
<div>Lv. 63</div>
{{#if:  | <div style="text-align: center"></div> }}
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<div>
* {{m|Rain Dance}}
* {{m|Surf}}
* {{m|Ice Beam}}
* {{m|Supersonic}}
</div>
</div></div>
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<nowiki>==In the Manga==</nowiki>

In the manga, Lorelei's Cloyster is one of her main Pokémon. In ''[[PS045|Cloystered]]'', it appeared as Lorelei's main Pokémon. With her Dewgong, Cloyster traps [[Yellow (Special)|Yellow]] and [[Bill]] in a cave by collapsing the entrance with a {{m|Spike Cannon}}. When Yellow tries to escape, Cloyster sends an {{m|Ice Beam}}-powered Spike Cannon which stops them. Eventually, they do escape and Yellow attacks with {{p|Pikachu}}, it uses {{m|Thunderbolt}} and Lorelei tells Cloyster to {{m|Withdraw}} into its shell and Pikachu's Thunderbolt bounces off harmlessly.

After a long chase, Lorelei gets Cloyster to {{m|Aurora Beam}} Yellow and Bill, [[Status ailment#Freeze|Freezing]] them in place. Then Lorelei tries to extract information from Yellow by getting Cloyster to bombard them with its {{m|Supersonic}}, a {{p|Rattata}} comes and rescues them at the last minute.

In ''[[PS073|Valiant Venomoth]]'', Lorelei appears again, this time riding in her Cloyster, to battle [[Blue (Special)]] and [[Sabrina]]. She uses Voodoo dolls made from her {{p|Jynx}} to freeze their hands together. Cloyster then uses {{m|Ice Beam}} on them and it barely misses them. Blue sends out {{p|Nidorina}} and Sabrina uses {{p|Venomoth}}. Nidorina {{m|Take Down|charges}} at Cloyster and Venomoth uses {{m|Sleep Powder}}. Cloyster uses {{m|Blizzard}} to blow the Sleep Powder into Nidorina's face which puts her to sleep. Venomoth charges again and again with Cloyster Withdrawing each time so that all the attacks don't hit. Eventually Cloyster falls over, fainted, Venomoth had been using {{m|Leech Life}} that whole time.

Cloyster also makes a small appearance getting defeated by a {{p|Blastoise}}'s {{m|Hydro Pump}} in ''[[PS084|Clefabulous Clefable]]''.

<nowiki>===Moves used===</nowiki>

*{{m|Spike Cannon}}
*{{m|Withdraw}}
*{{m|Aurora Beam}}
*{{m|Supersonic}}
*{{m|Ice Beam}}
*{{m|Blizzard}}

<nowiki>==Related articles==</nowiki>

For more about this Pokémon's species see {{p|Cloyster}}, for more about its trainer, see [[Lorelei]]


<nowiki>[[Category:Elite Four's Pokémon]]</nowiki>

So, how do you like it Missingno. + Maverick--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 21:18, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, that's pretty good!  Only thing is, I'd reword the part about Cloyster using Rage, the current wording kinds sends up a red flag.  Also, are you sure that that's a picture of Lorelei's Cloyster?  Because in The Bridge Bike Gang, one of the bikers used a Cloyster against Misty's Psyduck, and it DID sneak up on it from behind, which is what the picture seems to convey.  Otherwise, good job!

:If I may comment? Remove the "Caught in Kanto" part. That's usually frowned upon if it's unverifiable, if my memory serves.--[[User:Totodilesentret|<font color="blue">Totodile</font><font color="brown">sentret!</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Totodilesentret|<font color="gold">Talk to me.</font>]]</sup> 13:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

== Lorelei's Cloyster discussion ==

I've reworded and removed but I really need an image (there is a template "voice actor needed")
Missingno., could I please have your input?--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 00:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:How could the Cloyster be using Ice Shard? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 00:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, get rid of the Ice Shard bit and I think we're good.  [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU!  [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]]  <small>[[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]]</small> 00:59, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Actually, it could have learned it as a {{p|Shellder}} (assuming that the Cloyster evolved from a shellder) and not forgotten it, but I removed it anyways.--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 01:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:No, it couldn't have. It didn't exist back then... guess I didn't make that clear *sweatdrop* [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 01:44, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== So ==

So, Agatha's Gengar next? It appears in manga, anime and games (haven't checked the tcg yet)--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 21:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

== So. ==

So, Agatha's Gengar next? It appears in manga, anime and games (haven't checked the tcg yet) and should we start a project ''Project TrainerPoké''?--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 21:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:Sounds good to me.  Not sure about the project trainerpoke, but I don't see why not.  [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU!  [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]]  <small>[[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]]</small> 21:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::So, which of us should start the project and if me, '''how do I start this project?''' thankyou for your time.--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 22:02, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::There's something on the main page, I think, that helps you start projects.  I don't recall.  I did create Project GlitchDex a while back, but I don't remember exactly how I went about doing so....  [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU!  [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]]  <small>[[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]]</small> 22:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::::We only let you do Cloyster because it was a very important character in the manga, and we only let that slide. A project will not stay more than two minutes, because that is not a good idea to make it over. Furthermore, it would not pass the rules of the Project Council, and will not get past stage 1. Also, Agatha had no Pokémon in the TCG. Just because there is a Pokémon, doesn't mean it deserves a page. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 22:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Be that as it may, her Gengar still played a rather important role in the anime, and is always her main Pokémon in the games.  Notice that the role Gengar played in its episode is significantly larger than Cloyster's role, so I think Gengar qualifies.  [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU!  [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]]  <small>[[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]]</small> 22:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::Mav is correct, and just for the record, making pages for a ton of different owned Pokemon is pretty pointless since a good deal are up for questionable notability. making more would be redundant. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 22:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Redundant?? *checks wikipedia*, what!!, that is not redundant. Like Missingno., said earlier:

''Main characters (including Ash, Misty, May, Brock, Dawn, Max, Tracey, Snap, should he capture  anything, Jessie, and James: EVERYTHING THEY'VE EVER OWNED.  No matter how briefly.''

''Gym Leaders, Rivals, Frontier Brains, Recurring characters,'' '''Elite Four''' '', and Champions: Their  most notable Pokemon.  If one of them uses two Pokemon equally and simultaneously (Liza and  Tate, Tucker, Luana), both Pokemon get articles.''

If you disagree, please tell me why.--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]]  [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu]] 22:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== What? ==

I have to ask: Where did you get that whole Santa Claus reference for Kingler? --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 00:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:It just came to me that Kingler is an anagram of Kringle one day.  Then I realized that red and green (green being the color of a shiny Kingler) are Christmas colors.  And then, on a hunch, I checked to see if any Kingler-centric episodes first aired in December...  Yeah, the whole thing's pretty uncanny, if I do say so myself.  Evidentially, though, you don't think so, as you helped to remove it.  [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU!  [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]]  <small>[[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]]</small> 12:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)