Can someone add this in (hidden of course). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-A790zus0g --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 09:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Can someone add this in (hidden of course). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-A790zus0g --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 09:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Latest comment: 31 October 200824 comments4 people in discussion
This page belongs in the anime section of the game character. We have it for almost all the other game characters that appear in the anime so why should this be any different. Jmath14:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Shut up, he is! He's a Cross-canon counterpart. We have articles on all Cross-canon counterparts: Ash, Gary, Jimmy, Marina, VincentMay and Dawn, we also have articles on ALL manga counterparts, then why not on Jun, too? He's got a FULL appearance, unlike Silver, Brendan and Lucas, so he fully deserves a specific article. He is also a MAIN game rival (unlike Wally, who didn't appear in anime, but if he did, he would deserve nothing more than an anime subsection in the game article). Remember for your life - Cross-canon counterpart = Different Character! --Maxim14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
They can only be cross-canon counterparts if one of the characters are based off on the other. But Jun is exactly the same as his game character. Personality, Pokémon, everything. Jmath14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
No, that's not true. Any MAIN character counterpart is considered different (except the mentioned three, whose appearances weren't long enough) and please, don't say anything about his personality. That's what we call gun-jumping. We don't even really know what Pokémon will he posess. Rival counterpart = Different character. It's a thing you just have to remember. Don't act like you know more than me about Pokémon. --Maxim14:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
We don't even know if Jun will be appearing again. And even if Jun is different so should the countless number of game characters that appeared in the show. Jmath14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Jimmy also appeared for only one episode (though I agree that he SHOULD NOT be put to the template). So, your logic fails. He's an Inter-Media Counterpart not matter if you like it or not. --Maxim14:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Then why does Jimmy have an article about him in your opinion? He's just an one-time character, so shouldn't he be just a subsection of Gold according to your logic? The Gym Leaders, Villains, Elite 4 and Other Characters you mentioned are actually the same characters in all canons they appear. It's generally accepted that only counterparts of MAIN game characters count as separate characters. Main characters = Game protagonists, Rivals (the characters you can name, in general). It's a generally-accepted standard and Jun meets it. So, don't argue. --Maxim14:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Jmath does have a point, Dawn's mother doesn't have an article, and she's pretty important, I would even say more important than Jun, because Johanna has a relation to Dawn. I don't see why Jun would deserve his own article. When Johanna even doesn't. --Dman dustin14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
FAIL. Johanna is not a MAIN game characters, not a rival or protagonist, she is just a mother. She may be important in the anime, in the games she's not. So, her anime incarnation DOES NOT deserve an article. Your argument failed like a bomb in ocean. --Maxim14:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Jimmy isn't exactly same as Gold. They're still different just as Ash and Red are different. And by your logic, May and Dawn should go also be in the games page. Jmath14:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
No, they shouldn't. Because they are protagonists/rivals. My main criteria is not the importance of the character in the other canon, name difference or design differences but rather his ROLE IN THE GAME. This is a criteria everyone here agrees with. You're arguing with me for no reason. And you keep losing. --Maxim14:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Professor Oak, Professor Birch, Professor Elm, Professor Rowan also don't have their own articles (And argue all you want but Professor OAK IS IMPORTANT IN THE GAMES). And plus what you said makes no sense, how is a parent/relative less important than a game rival? Add to the fact we have articles of COTD's and still other characters don't have their own articles. SO YOUR LOGIC FAILS. --Dman dustin14:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
No, it does not fail. The Professors are important, but they're not MAIN characters. And saying that protagonist's parent who just sits in house and sometimes enter Contests is more important that the game rival is just RIDICULOUS. Please, don't insist that you know anything about the things you have no idea about. It's what I hate the most in people like you. --Maxim14:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Then why the hell do we have articles of people who only showed up once in the anime when these characters I mentioned showed up more than once. See that doesn't make sense. Sure argue I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but you don't either. --Dman dustin14:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Please, leave COTDs away. They are completely unrelated here. They are completely unrelated to the game characters we are currently talking about. If they appeared in the game, they would have one articles on all their incarnations, but they NEVER appear in the games, so they have only one article - about their one and only incarnation - the anime one. So sorry, you fail again. Your reasons are one of the most stupid ones I've heard in awhile. --Maxim14:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
IT MAKES NO SENSE. Why is Jun so important, just because he's a damn rival protaginist? If Jun appears only once he's just akin to a COTD. So he get's his own article (just like COTD's). Again it makes no sense. Jun could not important at all, his anime team mirrors his team in the games, which I can't say the same about Professor Oak, Johanna, Professor Elm, and blah blah blah, because they have differences between the two. Professor Oak never had Dragonite in the games, and Johanna never had a Glameow in the games (she only had a Kangaskhan).You know I can understand that it would make some articles with little information(a paragraph at the most). But remember COTD's information really small (just pointing to the connection not importance). And besides if Johanna's game information was so damn important, it would show up on this page http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mom. And when I pointed to the COTDs, you totally missed the point. See your arguement is if they didn't have a important role in the games they don't deserve their own article. Okay I get it but why is it when they aren't important to the anime they deserve their own article. Isn't that a double standard? --Dman dustin15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
He may be a COTD in the anime but in the game he's a MAIN character and all his Cross-canon incarnations count as separate characters. It's you who started mixing random characters to this. They have no bearing here. They're a separate issue. And the fact that they possess different Pokémon than in the games doesn't reflect anything. It's about the characters, not their Pokémon. Please leave non-protagonist characters alone, they're a separate issue. And do you realise that the thing about COTDs you mentioned are actually an argument IN FAVOUR of having an article on Jun. You're contradicting yourself. I could use your arguements against you if I wanted it, but I don't feel like doing it. You have weak and newbish reasons. I'm sick of debating with people like you. --Maxim15:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Like me? Damn if you are so sure you know anything about me, write my biography. And no I wasn't contradicting myself I was making a connection. It's only a contradiction when I'm adamant about Jun not having an article. In fact I have no problem with it, the problem I do have is that while Jun has it's own articles, certain characters don't. And hell if COTD was any indication of anything, it would mean we would have articles about Johanna, Professor Oak because hell they showed up in the anime, don't they deserve their own anime articles. Who cares that they have game information? And again it's all double standards. Oh but I suppose YOU don't have a problem with it.--Dman dustin15:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
I forgot, when I said Jun could be like COTD, I meant that it "should" be on his game page, just like Professor Oak, and Johanna. But again double standards.--Dman dustin15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Adding to the fire, but, seriously, the answer to the problem is in his name. If his game article is going to be called "Pearl (game)", then "Jun (anime)" should deserve his own page, BECAUSE he's not called Pearl. GLs, the five partners, all direct game references with no name changes don't deserve their own separate page.
HOWEVER. Jun's game name defaults as Pearl. He is not Pearl. He is Jun (and hopefully, in the future, Barry). He should get his own paged based on the fact that he isn't called his default game name, just like Ash isn't called Red and Gary isn't called Green/Blue. Riley will still be Riley, Winona was still Winona. Pearl isn't Jun, and it isn't fair to designate him under Pearl simply because nothing changed about him personally. They'll act the same, but Gary acted the same way as his game C/P all through Kanto, and if this was then, Gary still would have gotten his own page. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph15:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
I have no problem with Gary or Ash from the anime because it's obvious they are slightly different then their Game counterparts. When we have Jun who is exactly like his game counterpart only his name is different is the problem. Jun looks exactly like Pearl (game) and most likely has the same team (3 of his 6 are). Forget it....... I don't care anymore, have your weird Bulbapedia format, where a game rival is more important than a game/anime article character is related to an anime article character.--Dman dustin16:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Okay, here's why he's not under Pearl's page.
Latest comment: 2 November 20083 comments2 people in discussion
Because he's not Pearl any more than Gary Oak is Blue. Remember, Gary was as much a jerk as Blue. They even both said "smell ya later" I believe. Gary's team may not be based on Blue's in any games, but so what? What's to say Jun's last three Pokémon aren't something completely random?
He has the same clothes. Great. He has the same team. Great. Gary has the same clothes as Blue in both RGBY and FRLG and he's got a separate article.
The title of the episode is Rival Trainer Jun Appears! not Rival Trainer Pearl Appears!. His name is Jun. Not Pearl. Just like how Kenta, not Gold, and Marina, not Crys, appeared in the Legend of Thunder special. Brendan and Lucas weren't given separate names nor even much of an appearance, but Jun appears in an episode titled after and focusing on him. Jimmy and Marina do the same in LOT, though they didn't exactly name the thing.
Essentially, though, here's what it is: Game protagonists and rivals who appear in the anime get a separate page for their anime iteration if their role is large enough. Silver appeared in the opening for LOT, and nothing else (plus Silver is that old guy who everyone knows thinks is the idiot's dad anyway). Brendan was in the opening segment of three movies, but did little more than send out one Pokémon and order it to use a move. Whoo, give the man a page. No really. He's not notable enough in the anime for his own page. Lucas does even less; he battled only ONCE in a movie opening.
Plus, well, with the exception of May and Dawn, all of the game protagonists and antagonists have different names from their anime counterparts. Satoshi, not Red. Shigeru, not Green. Kenta, not Gold. Marina, not Crys. Jun, not Pearl.
Thanks, TTE! Anyway, would you mind unblocking the page. There are things I would change. There is no proof that he's from Twinleaf. I would also delete the template. There is no proof that he'll be a recurring rival. I know the page was created pretty early but I'm a bit sick of the fact that Bulbapedia Admins block EVERYTHING lately. The blocked pages are usually the ones I want to edit. It sometimes feels that the admins simply want to use their powers. Please unblock the page, you won't regret it. --Maxim11:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Eh, it won't be too long, and being that he's based on a main game character... And besides, Gary appeared once every, what, eight thousand episodes? TTEchidna05:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Latest comment: 11 November 20089 comments5 people in discussion
Changing the format to .png when it's already been a .jpg doesn't do it anything but make it a bigger file size. If you took the screenshot yourself, take it again and save it as a .png the first time. Chocolate21:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Jmath's one is of slightly better quality, but really, it's hardly noticeable, even at full size. I don't think it matters which one goes up. --Martonimos22:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 12 November 20083 comments2 people in discussion
He says one thing over and over again in the episode, whenever he runs into Ash and lost the battle to Ash. Not knowing any Japanese, I turn to others out there to ask what it means Aura-Knight22:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 15 November 20084 comments3 people in discussion
Is he a part of the group, because he's still with Ash and them going to Canalave when he already has the badge, and he's been with them ever since his first appearence. Happizelpom14:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
well I doubt anyone thought that Morrison would appear again and he did, plus he seems to be more signifacint than other charecters, but in this discussion I have to say that we'll have to wait until he appears again----Ultamatecharizard18:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Palmer
Latest comment: 2 January 20092 comments2 people in discussion
Not yet. It needs to be confirmed in the anime first. Although the character is based on Pearl, not all aspects might be carried across. — THE TROM — 04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
Protect?
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Latest comment: 9 February 20094 comments3 people in discussion
Because someone can jump with Barry or Damion? Come on! No one will do it. The people here know that unconfirmed information SHALL NOT be posted here. So, I think there is NO REASON to hold this page protected until April. He may reappear 5 times until then. --Maxim17:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
It's not hurting anything. Yeah, everyone out there wants to jump on and call him Barry but as far as we know, he's not going to have any major apperancesas he's still training on Iron Island. Aura-Knight17:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
Why is it being protected until April 5th? That's a ridiculously long length. I would understand if you wanted to protect it on March 15 to April 5th, but not now. --ケンジのガール07:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
Jun=Barry
Latest comment: 3 April 200922 comments10 people in discussion
A new episode title hinted that his name is Barry. Quite frankly, I don't know who else it would belong to, so can we unlock this and change it to match the dub title? --Jonouchi14:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
Dude regarding this I have had battles with the admins for half my life here. And however good proofs you may find , even if Satoshi Tjari comes and confirms it they will always say "Wait till it airs". --Prongs(Talk • Contributions)14:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
Its better to be consistent. If they make an exception just for this one, every other page has to get this treatment, meaning total breakdown. J-J-M15:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
OMG, that's one of the examples of when the "Until it airs" policy fails. The admins believed the episode title, yet they don't believe that the character would be named Barry? Come on, that's just RIDICULOUS! --Maxim16:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
But this is IRRATIONAL. As irrational as standing in for admins' stupid decisions... That simply makes no sense and it's pathetic. --Maxim13:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
I agree that at this point, it seems ridiculous to protect the article until dub airing. "Barry" is in the title, no other character in the episode could possibly be named "Barry" and going by the list of default game names "Barry" is the English equivalent of "Jun". I mean... I'd say that if we try running it by the Duck test, it's pretty conclusive what Jun's English name is. --Sato05:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
Hey, I'd like to change it too. But if we did, then we'd have to do it for everyone. Besides, it won't kill you to wait a couple of weeks. --ケンジのガール06:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
I hate Bulbapedia's "wait until it airs" rule...that's the reason why I don't depend on this site anymore...it's not updated...and I'm pretty sure many people feel the same.--☆Tavisource06:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
What if the episode airs and the title happens to be different? What if Jun isn't Barry? You have to look at it that way. Need I remind you of Samantha and Audrey? Technically we are updated with the confirmed information. If you don't like it, join the Bulbanews and post it there or request that they post it. They have no restrictions. See that's the problem, people treat Bulbapedia like a news site such as Serebii. It's not. That's what Bulbanews is for. However, it is kind of hypocritical that we submit new titles of episodes before airing but not this... Maybe something should be changed. --ケンジのガール06:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
I do not agree with the opinion that if we moved Barry, we would have to do it for everyone. "Everyone" does not have an officially confirmed name (through a title). Barry has. Come on, the title REVEALED this name. If we believed that the title is real, then why do we refuse to believe that the name is real? Moving the page WOULD NOT be a big breakage of the Bulbapedia's Policies, as there actually IS an evidence that the name is real. That "What if the episode title happens to be different?" is completely bullshit. At this logic, we should not believe in any leaked titles. At this logic, Bulbapedia SHOULD NOT allow putting episode titles in the articles before the airing. But it does. Hypocrisy much? --Maxim15:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Logical fallacy. You don't have to move an article for the English title. Dub names for characters do require that, though. TTEchidna17:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 18 April 20094 comments3 people in discussion
I may be incorrect, but I've heard that in the recent episode Jun mentioned that he started with/has had a Piplup. Shouldn't his Pokémon list be updated accordingly? Watchermark23:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Okay, I watched the subbed version. Barry says that the road of getting Prinplup to evolve into Empoleon is difficult, which would imply that he's had it at least since it was Prinplup. However, this isn't exactly a comfirmation. After all, we still won't allow the mentioning of Drew possibly having his Flygon since it was Vibrava after saying something similar. --ケンジのガール07:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
No matter how any lecture may be worded, if it doesn't appear explicit enough, it ain't confirmation. Even if that conversation were more solid to confirm Barry had it as a Prinplup, the possibility would still exist that he caught it as a wild Prinplup and then ditched his real starter afterwards...
(Note that the destination of the link may not reflect the accuracy of Barry's overall backstory, just the most likely case from the perspective of the games assuming Dawn's basis is that of player character. And remember, "most likely" does NOT mean "confirmed" by any stretch of the imagination.) --Shiningpikablu25215:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
So, what? Move problem
Latest comment: 11 April 20092 comments2 people in discussion
Barry currently redirects to Pearl (game). What are we doing? Are we moving this to "Barry (anime)" and changing "Barry" into a disambig? Or maybe delete the redirect and move the page to "Barry" with the headnote about Pearl? --Maxim13:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 11 April 20091 comment1 person in discussion
In Barry's Busting Out All Over!, Dawn points out that Barry was in a 'duet with the exploud' which is similar to Pearl and Diamond and their comedy duo. Should that be in the trivia section? Or is that a totally different thing? I thought it was a bit interesting but that's just me --ταllı☆23:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Change Picture
Latest comment: 24 December 20097 comments6 people in discussion
I think you should change Barrys' picture back to
I think it's better than the current one on his page. The current one on his page isn't very good in my opinion, no offence... - unsigned comment from Pichachu-San (talk • contribs)
That pic's pre-DP121. No pics from before DP121 except for movies could even possibly be in HD, unless somebody took it from an upscaled digital broadcast that stretched the frame. And something from an upscaled digital broadcast that stretched the frame would be considered unsatisfactory due to its very nature. --Shiningpikablu25202:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)Reply
Basically, from DP121 onwards the screen is wider than it was before. There's probably more to HD than that, but I'm not an expert.
The part about pre-DP121 being stretched means that if the pic in question had been captured from an upscaled digital broadcast, it would end up looking like this:
Latest comment: 7 January 20101 comment1 person in discussion
Since the article is protected, could somebody add this for me? Barry's European French voice actor is Gregory Praet... thanks. --ZestyCactus00:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)Reply
Eight Badges
Latest comment: 11 February 20102 comments2 people in discussion