Talk:Sandstorm (move)

I'm sorry, but I had a data entry error while editing. Someone will have to consolidate my new information with the previous version. - unsigned comment from ANinyMouse (talk • contribs)

This is SO not true.

In the "Availability" tab in the infobox it says:

"Not a TM, HM, or move tutor move."

Oh yeah? Then explain why it's listed as such. TheBlazikenMaster 20:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Relax. It's because the correct field hadn't been added yet to the infobox. - _s.Combusken 20:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Ash's Gliscor

Did it use sandstorm/sand-attack or what? I'm mentioning this because I saw people have pretty much turned this into an edit war. Please discuss and enlighten those of us who are not sure. Thank you. —♥ Jello^talk 19:49, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I think it did. First, a lot of people say it was an improvised move, but why would Ash do that? This was two episodes before the counter-shield was invented, and he's a Pokemon Trainer. Second, people are saying that Staravia's Whirlwind created the sandstorm. How could that be when the sand comes off Gliscor's body (in a swirling motion, exactly like Paul's Gliscor did in the episode before), and Staravia is facing the complete other direction that Gliscor is facing? Littlmiget123 20:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

For the last time, no it didn't Ataro 20:04, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The point of this discussion is to discuss about how it did or did not use it. That's not much of a point, lol. ^^ Littlmiget123 20:06, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Sand Attack and Whirlwind/Gust together. That's a Sandstorm, but not the sandstorm this article should have. --Psy_ライダー☮ 22:17, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The pic isn't showing. But I know the episode we're talking about. And Sand-attack is used in a completely different manner. Gliscor flings dirt at the opponent from the ground, not from its body. Can I ask why people are so against this being Sandstorm? I'm very curious. ^^ Littlmiget123 22:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Not every move has to be cut and dry exactly the same, just because it flips dirt from the actual ground in one episode doesn't mean it can't go back to the EP era where the sand just magically comes from behind it's back, or even it could be the whirlwind that's picking the dust up. D: --Psy_ライダー☮ 22:29, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, but that still doesn't tell me why everyone is against it using Sandstorm. And in the EP era, didn't the Pokemon throw dirt at the opponent from their claws or legs as well? I'm pretty sure the only Pokemon who makes sand come from their body is Hippopotas, and that's from the holes on its body. This is so confusing. Littlmiget123 22:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Ash never commanded him to use Sandstorm, he called for a Sand Attack and Whirlwind. D: --Psy_ライダー☮ 22:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Finally! now this can end...Ataro 23:04, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

(starting over indent) I just watched the part. *sigh* It still looks like a Sandstorm to me. Gliscor starts firing it first, before Staravia starts flapping its wings. And I looked, Ash never told them to use any move at all. All he said was for them to use their strongest attacks. Sandstorm is stronger than Sand-Attack, lol. ^^; When did Ash call for them to use the attacks. Here's the episode. [LINK REMOVED]. Littlmiget123 23:08, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I posted the video and I asked people to tell me what they think when they saw it. No one replied, so I waited 24 hours for someone to give me a response. I got nothing. I'm trying to be as nice as possible, and I'm just stating facts that support my argument. No one is stating any facts that say otherwise. Please give me something to support your theory that it is not Sandstorm. I have 6 facts that support it.

1). This episode happened before he started using Counter-shield and other moves that need two or more moves. 2). The sand came off Gliscor's body. 3). Staravia was facing towards Gliscor while it was using the attack. The sand would have come back and hit Gliscor if they had combined attacks. 4). Never in the anime when a Pokemon is using Sand-Attack has the sand ever come off their body (Hippopotas not included, because it has those holes in its body); they would always have dirt flung at the opponent from the ground. 5). Gliscor starts firing the Sandstorm a second or two before Staravia even showed up on the screen. 6). Ash told them to use their best attacks. Sandstorm is much stronger than Sand-Attack, and the anime thinks that Staravia can use Gust, lol, so that's what it used. I'd like to see if I get any responce to these. If I don't after two days, I'll repost Ash's Gliscor on the list. If it gets reverted, without any specific reason, then I'll have to bring TTE into the matter. :/ I really don't want to do that, though... I'm trying to be nice, people. T-T Littlmiget123 23:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, you won't repost Gliscor back. You don't have any authority to do so. We as a community will come to a decision on what to do. You do not decide on the matter, that is an admin's job. --Psy_ライダー☮ 00:57, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Psy is right, this is a genuine conflict here and nothing will be added until it is definitively solved. if you decide not to heed this warning you may be liable for a small block. we dont tolerate edit wars. -- MAGNEDETH 01:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

• sigh* Look, I'm just saying I was asking, and no one was replying. I can't read minds. I'm trying to be as nice as I can be, and I'm not arguing with anyone here. ^^; So far, the only reason that people are telling me it isn't sandstorm is 'It isn't, so that's that.' I would really like to hear what people say. Littlmiget123 01:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

well, saying youre going to bring in TTE sounds like a threat (not that he is a threat, but you know) so just relax and lets give it some thought. now, i havent seen the episode, but from what it sounds like, Gliscor threw up some sand which was hit by Whirlwind, making it 'appear' as a Sandstorm, but in reality it could just be a reaction/opposite reaction situation where-in Gliscor used Sand-Attack and it was jumbled up by Whirlwind. thats my view point here. -- MAGNEDETH 01:35, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I put put the link for the episode above if you would like to see it. ^^ Littlmiget123 01:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The whole reason I brought up this discussion was to see both sides. Saying it didn't without any reasons given is very arrogant and does not help the discussion at all. Please bring proof for either side or kindly stay out of this discussion. —♥ Jello^talk 02:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Roggenrola's anime section

I really don't see the point in getting rid of description. So there's a lot; does it really matter? Doesn't it just show how much detail and hard work was put into building this website? Littlmiget123 04:13, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

While there was a lot of text in Roggenrola's section for the anime, there is no denying that it has used the move 4 different ways. Currently only the original and the latest are described Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 12:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

And there's no such thing as being too detailed on a wiki. I see no logic in getting rid of details at all. With all due respect, I don't understand one bit why we would get rid of something that is too detailed. ^-^; Littlmiget123 15:57, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

This template is meant to have a brief description of the move. And yes, there are such things as being too detailed on a wiki. While browsing Wikipedia, I often find articles that have a template on saying "overly detailed". Many people like an easy read and when too much detail is put in that becomes difficult. --ケンジのガール 00:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, it has four varieties of how it uses it. It really isn't our fault. But shouldn't we list all of them? Other moves have a variety of methods as well. Like is said before, even though it is a little chunky, that just shows how much detail is put into these things. I find it unfair to just get rid of some and keep some. I mean, sure it's a lot, but I myself like when things are nicely details, which is exactly why I started this little project. And it's not like it's a bad thing to have a lot of text, either. And Roggenrola evolved, so I highly doubt there's gonna be any more adding to the box anyways. Littlmiget123 02:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I have no problem listing the different variants. They just don't have to be super descriptive. --ケンジのガール 02:19, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Lol, they aren't super descriptive, I just write them down as I see them. It's hard to go back and dumb them down, as to say. Would you like me to go in and try to make them less descriptive? I've already got something figured out.. Littlmiget123 02:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Effect section

I would prefer to have the effects section (here and at the other weather-inducing moves and Abilities) to only say that they induce that weather, and for how many turns. Everything else should be the effects of the weather, not the move/Ability. Thoughts? Nescientist (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

GSC sandstorm reapplying

I don't think the article is correct in this regard. While it is true that Sunny Day and Rain Dance can be set up even when the weather is already sunny/rain respectively, there seems to be a check for this for Sandstorm in particular judging by [1] . Am I missing something, or is this indeed the case? FIQ (talk) 09:14, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Just based on my memory, I would have guessed that you could actually never re-set the same weather (by a move)...

Anyway, an otherwise accurate source says it's actually possible for any weather (here for Gen II) to be re-set. I admit assembly is not my native language, but from what I can tell, I'm tempted to agree with you — good catch then.

Would you maybe be willing to further investigate this (e.g. by just testing in an actual game; tracking down that WEATHER_SANDSTORM constant in what it is and what it does elsewhere; whether it's the same in later Generations and for Hail; etc.)? Right now, I must say I'm not confident enough to change what the page says.

It seems you have checked Sunny Day and Rain Dance in a Gen II game already, correct? Do you know anything about other generations (about any weather inducer)? Nescientist (talk) 19:35, 25 October 2016 (UTC)