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::Crustacean, Archanid, insect, horseshoe crabs, etc. I can change to arthropod until further information is available. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 15:18, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | ::Crustacean, Archanid, insect, horseshoe crabs, etc. I can change to arthropod until further information is available. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 15:18, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::It does look to resemble certain kinds of woodlouse more than a sea scorpion. {{wp|Ligia oceanica}} for instance. [[User:Hyper Turtwig|Hyper Turtwig]] ([[User talk:Hyper Turtwig|talk]]) 18:51, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | :::It does look to resemble certain kinds of woodlouse more than a sea scorpion. {{wp|Ligia oceanica}} for instance. [[User:Hyper Turtwig|Hyper Turtwig]] ([[User talk:Hyper Turtwig|talk]]) 18:51, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | ||
If you still want to find prehistoric animals that Wimpod is based on, its design is very similar to a trilobite, more specifically Cheirurus, which has a very similar body shape. It would make sense, since it is similar to {{p|Kabuto}} which is also partially based off of a trilobite. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 23:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:It's origin seems also to be based in the horseshoe crab, sharing some characteristics with it. {{unsigned|Pescavelho}} | |||
::Honestly, aside from the shape of its head, I see very little horseshoe crab in it. Even head shape feels a little stretched to me. The similar body sections, tail, leg shape and location (on the body, not near the head), point more toward isopod or trilobite for me. Horseshoe crabs appear to have three body sections: the main body with two sets of eyes and its legs, its middle, and stringer-like tail. Isopods/trilobites have the head, a segmented body, and a bristly tail - like Wimpod. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 23:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Now that we finally have edit access again... The part about them eating garbage and the fact that their bodies are domed over rather than having pronounced lobes suggests horseshoe crabs were considered part of their design. Horseshoe crabs eat whatever they find on the ocean floor while trilobites were, at one point, ''apex predators''. --[[User:KingStarscream|KingStarscream]] ([[User talk:KingStarscream|talk]]) 22:31, 4 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
Since Wimpod is low to the ground, flat, and is said to leave whatever it walks over clean, could a Roomba be a potential basis for its design? [[User:EthanLac|EthanLac]] ([[User talk:EthanLac|talk]]) 23:33, 30 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
:It's not really flat, and being low to the ground and cleaning things is too vague a similarity. (Ironically enough, Roomba was designed with a philosophy in mind that robots should be like insects, but probably not the same species Wimpod is based on) [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 01:08, 31 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
==Japanese name origin== | ==Japanese name origin== | ||
Unless I'm mistaken, while 足 can in some cases be read as ''soku'', 小足 (small feet) is always read as ''koashi''. Therefore I don't think that's part of it. (Though I have no idea of what else the "kosoku" part might be... It can mean "makeshift" but I don't see a relation between that and this Pokémon.) Also, while the "mushi" part does likely come from "bug", it probably also comes from 弱虫 ''yowamushi'', meaning weakling or wimp. [[User:Coolest|Coolest]] ([[User talk:Coolest|talk]]) 22:22, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | Unless I'm mistaken, while 足 can in some cases be read as ''soku'', 小足 (small feet) is always read as ''koashi''. Therefore I don't think that's part of it. (Though I have no idea of what else the "kosoku" part might be... It can mean "makeshift" but I don't see a relation between that and this Pokémon.) Also, while the "mushi" part does likely come from "bug", it probably also comes from 弱虫 ''yowamushi'', meaning weakling or wimp. [[User:Coolest|Coolest]] ([[User talk:Coolest|talk]]) 22:22, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | ||
:弱虫 is almost entirely about the 弱い part; you have to reach really far to come up with that just from the ムシ part of コソクムシ, and nothing about Wimpod's "lore" makes that a ''strong'' likelihood unless you take a cue from the English name, which isn't necessarily valid logic for the Japanese name origin. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | :弱虫 is almost entirely about the 弱い part; you have to reach really far to come up with that just from the ムシ part of コソクムシ, and nothing about Wimpod's "lore" makes that a ''strong'' likelihood unless you take a cue from the English name, which isn't necessarily valid logic for the Japanese name origin. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | ||
::It's not that far of a reach, really. First of all that ''is'' what the main part of its lore is, to the point where they gave it a new ability based on it. And second, whether or not it's "necessarily valid logic", it ''does'' make sense with the English name. If it was just either one of those, sure, it would have been a stretch. But with ''both'' of those things being true, I really do think it makes sense for that to be at least part of it. [[User:Coolest|Coolest]] ([[User talk:Coolest|talk]]) 23:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | ::It's not that far of a reach, really. First of all that ''is'' what the main part of its lore is, to the point where they gave it a new ability based on it. And second, whether or not it's "necessarily valid logic", it ''does'' make sense with the English name. If it was just either one of those, sure, it would have been a stretch. But with ''both'' of those things being true, I really do think it makes sense for that to be at least part of it. [[User:Coolest|Coolest]] ([[User talk:Coolest|talk]]) 23:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::If there were ''any'' trace of 弱 in its name, I'd agree in a heartbeat. But there's not... (And it's already a {{t|Bug}}.) | |||
:::Also...I lost this part before and didn't realize it, but: regarding 小足, if you're not confident, we'll stick with small feet. If a native speaker wants to call it completely dumb, it might be worth reconsidering. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:30, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::Alright, I suppose that's fair enough. And regarding 小足, I'm like... at least 90% sure I'm right about that. But even if we're sticking with it for now, I think it would at least be a good idea to keep looking for something else it could be. [[User:Coolest|Coolest]] ([[User talk:Coolest|talk]]) 23:40, 19 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::: ダイオウグソクムシ means Giant Isopod. It contains ソクムシ.[[User:Hakuro|Hakuro]] ([[User talk:Hakuro|talk]]) 02:03, 5 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Japanese name origins - Kosoku == | |||
Where did we get "underhanded" from kosoku? I thought it meant something more like "palliative" or "avoidant". --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 08:01, 1 February 2020 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 08:01, 1 February 2020
Origin
it's origin seems to be based off the sea scorpion, I know the Hibbertopterus genius raked the bottom of the seafloor to feed. Also, since its likely based off a sea scorpion, crustacean is not the correct description. Yamitora1 (talk) 14:51, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
- It could also be based on an isopod, or wood lice as indicated by its name. Which means crustacean is indeed the correct terminology. Crystal Talian 14:59, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
- Or it could come from arthropods, which i guess could be either Crustacean, Arachnida Yamitora1 (talk) 15:01, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
- Crustacean, Archanid, insect, horseshoe crabs, etc. I can change to arthropod until further information is available. Crystal Talian 15:18, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
- It does look to resemble certain kinds of woodlouse more than a sea scorpion. Ligia oceanica for instance. Hyper Turtwig (talk) 18:51, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
If you still want to find prehistoric animals that Wimpod is based on, its design is very similar to a trilobite, more specifically Cheirurus, which has a very similar body shape. It would make sense, since it is similar to Kabuto which is also partially based off of a trilobite. Logo7 (talk) 23:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
- It's origin seems also to be based in the horseshoe crab, sharing some characteristics with it. - unsigned comment from Pescavelho (talk • contribs)
- Honestly, aside from the shape of its head, I see very little horseshoe crab in it. Even head shape feels a little stretched to me. The similar body sections, tail, leg shape and location (on the body, not near the head), point more toward isopod or trilobite for me. Horseshoe crabs appear to have three body sections: the main body with two sets of eyes and its legs, its middle, and stringer-like tail. Isopods/trilobites have the head, a segmented body, and a bristly tail - like Wimpod. Crystal Talian 23:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
- Now that we finally have edit access again... The part about them eating garbage and the fact that their bodies are domed over rather than having pronounced lobes suggests horseshoe crabs were considered part of their design. Horseshoe crabs eat whatever they find on the ocean floor while trilobites were, at one point, apex predators. --KingStarscream (talk) 22:31, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
- Honestly, aside from the shape of its head, I see very little horseshoe crab in it. Even head shape feels a little stretched to me. The similar body sections, tail, leg shape and location (on the body, not near the head), point more toward isopod or trilobite for me. Horseshoe crabs appear to have three body sections: the main body with two sets of eyes and its legs, its middle, and stringer-like tail. Isopods/trilobites have the head, a segmented body, and a bristly tail - like Wimpod. Crystal Talian 23:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Since Wimpod is low to the ground, flat, and is said to leave whatever it walks over clean, could a Roomba be a potential basis for its design? EthanLac (talk) 23:33, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
- It's not really flat, and being low to the ground and cleaning things is too vague a similarity. (Ironically enough, Roomba was designed with a philosophy in mind that robots should be like insects, but probably not the same species Wimpod is based on) TechSkylander1518 (talk) 01:08, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Japanese name origin
Unless I'm mistaken, while 足 can in some cases be read as soku, 小足 (small feet) is always read as koashi. Therefore I don't think that's part of it. (Though I have no idea of what else the "kosoku" part might be... It can mean "makeshift" but I don't see a relation between that and this Pokémon.) Also, while the "mushi" part does likely come from "bug", it probably also comes from 弱虫 yowamushi, meaning weakling or wimp. Coolest (talk) 22:22, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
- 弱虫 is almost entirely about the 弱い part; you have to reach really far to come up with that just from the ムシ part of コソクムシ, and nothing about Wimpod's "lore" makes that a strong likelihood unless you take a cue from the English name, which isn't necessarily valid logic for the Japanese name origin. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
- It's not that far of a reach, really. First of all that is what the main part of its lore is, to the point where they gave it a new ability based on it. And second, whether or not it's "necessarily valid logic", it does make sense with the English name. If it was just either one of those, sure, it would have been a stretch. But with both of those things being true, I really do think it makes sense for that to be at least part of it. Coolest (talk) 23:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
- If there were any trace of 弱 in its name, I'd agree in a heartbeat. But there's not... (And it's already a Bug.)
- Also...I lost this part before and didn't realize it, but: regarding 小足, if you're not confident, we'll stick with small feet. If a native speaker wants to call it completely dumb, it might be worth reconsidering. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:30, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
- It's not that far of a reach, really. First of all that is what the main part of its lore is, to the point where they gave it a new ability based on it. And second, whether or not it's "necessarily valid logic", it does make sense with the English name. If it was just either one of those, sure, it would have been a stretch. But with both of those things being true, I really do think it makes sense for that to be at least part of it. Coolest (talk) 23:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Japanese name origins - Kosoku
Where did we get "underhanded" from kosoku? I thought it meant something more like "palliative" or "avoidant". --Landfish7 08:01, 1 February 2020 (UTC)