Talk:Lillie

Trivia with Nihilego

Although there is no doubt that Lillie does indeed bare resemblance to Nihilego, probably due to her mother as mentioned. However, there's no actual legitimate direct relation between it. I think it's notable enough to mention to a degree, but as said no direct relation and just speculation with floating facts that may not connect at all. I'd edit it myself, but I'm confused on this and I'm not too sure if I should be touching it. TrainerSplash (talk) 22:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I removed it, it did seem to rely too much on speculation. Croaker (talk) 22:26, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Should we still acknowledge the resemblance, just without including theories or speculation? --Geektreecko (talk) 15:01, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

There's no way to really acknowledge the resemblance without some degree of speculation. Not to mention it's a bit subjective, so it's probably best to just leave it out entirely. --Pokemaster97 20:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I think it should at least be mentioned in Trivia section. Yes, it wasn't officially acknowledged, but not everything needs to be explicitly stated. Lusamine found Nihilego beautiful, she was the one who dressed Lillie and that dress really does resemble Nihilego. That's enough to at least deserve a mention. If we're going to wait for everything to be officially acknowledged, then this should apply to everyone, not just Lillie. For example, the Trivia section on Red's page mentioned how the "96" on his shirt is a reference to Pokémon Red and Green's original release date. But it's also just speculation. It's not confirmed to be a reference to 1996, or to Pokémon. This sort of obvious thing should not need an official confirmation. You can confirm this with your eyes. But if that's not enough to deserve a mention, it should be the same for everything of this nature, not just limited to Lillie's case. Scan (talk) 06:42, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Nebby

Should Nebby have its own article? The character seems big enough to have its own article. It was a major plot element and turns into the legendary, and had a major role through the entire game. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 18:27, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

I agree with this. After all, Red's Pikachu and many other important Pokémon have their own page, and Nebby definitely deserves its own page as well. MaddoxTheMudkip (talk) 03:04, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Additional Picture

Since Lillie changed her outfit, should we have an additional photo with her "Z-Form"? Also please can we call it that XD Lunaflaire (talk) 00:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Quote Picture

I added a quote from the end credits. Could someone upload/add the picture(s) of her saying goodbye to Lunala/Solgaleo in the credits? It's a really nice photo, and it goes really, really well with the quote. Thanks! ThEquinox (talk) 21:47, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Can Lillie be counted as a Fairy-type specialist?

All three of the Pokémon she uses in USUM are part-Fairy, is there more criteria that she needs to have apart from that? Azureprism (talk) 01:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Missing/Incorrect Quote?

There's this screenshot of Lillie saying "Hey! Why do you like teasing me so much?", seemingly as a response to a negative answer to being asked how her clothes look. But this isn't the response listed in the Quotes section. Will she have different responses depending on previous questions she asked or something? Or is this just fake? ArtistKyurem (talk) 21:55, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Redirects...?

Potential redirects include Lily (Alola), Lilly (Alola), Lillie (game), and more. I have no idea how to redirect something to an article, anyone willing to help? Champion Averie, signing off! (Need anything?) 20:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Those redirects aren't necessary. Also, we don't use parentheticals for redirects of common misspellings, as it will only cause confusion when someone misspells a character's name using a template and, seeing that the link is blue, would assume they spelled it correctly.--ForceFire 07:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

You're right, the misspellings would just confuse people. But I think Lillie (game) might be beneficial, to distinguish this from her anime counterpart. Champion Averie, signing off! (Need anything?) 18:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

The (game) parenthetical is usually reserved for playable core series protagonists.--ForceFire 07:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Fairy Specialist

I would like to talk about this too... ok, Lillie have 3 Fairies, but saying she is a specialist just for that seems... weird to me. We got characters with a lot of Pokémon of the same type, that are not considered specialist Proton only use Poison for exemple, yhea, only 2, but still all Poison. Pokémon Masters, even if is a spin-off, too seems to indicate she never was created to be a specialist, since she have Clefairy, Ribombee, Lunala and Polteageist... ok, is a spin-off, but Masters seems to care about mainseries and in a interview was said they want to the characters to remain close to the canon and not deviate from that. So... yhea. I don't feel there is any true proof about Lillie being a specialist outside from "all 3 Pokémon she use in maingame are Fairy" that not prove so much... I mean. By this logic, Agatha is a Poison specialist because all Pokémon she use in multiple games are Poison, despite being officially stated her being a Ghost specialist, while Lance in a lot of games use only Flying-type and so on.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 19:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

The fact she has some non-Fairy Pokémon in Masters doesn't mean that she wasn't intended as a specialist; Burgh has a Togepi, but he's clearly a Bug specialist, Nessa is a Water specialist, but she has an Eiscue, and some other examples. The other point you've made, however, is more valid, like we should either include Proton as a specialist, or not include Lillie, because there isn't that much difference between them in this respect, aside from Lillie having one Pokémon more. Kikugi (talk) 20:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I think I didn't explained very well what I meant. Yhea, other specialists got Pokémon of other types. But Burgh and Nessa are explicitly confirmed to be Bug and Water specialists. While Lillie is pratically just speculation because the Pokémon she use in USUM are all Fairy, but she have just 3, and if we count Masters, then 3/5 are Fairies. In my opinion a characters should be considered specialist if is stated to be one, or if have at least 4 Pokémon of the same type (only if have few Pokémon confirmed). Exemple. Rose is not explicitly confirmed to be Steel specialist. But he have 5/5 Steel-type. So I'm more propended to not consider her and others similar to her, here a list of all specialists that I'm not sure if are actually specialists (if they are explicitly confirmed and I'm unaware of it, please tell me).

• Melli (have just 3/3 or 3/4 Poison (depend how nobles are considered, but I think they are since I suspect in Masters we will get the Wardens with them))
• Steven (I'm aware he say Steel is his favourite type and his favourite Pokémon is the "ultimate Steel Pokèmon" but... are we sure this can be considered to be a specialist and not just about him liking Steel-type or be a reference to Metagross? Steven even have more no-Steel then Steel: 5 Steel vs 6 no-Steel (6 vs 7 with Masters) he ever seems pretty weird to be a specialist...)
• Lillie (already explained)

And I think is all the "weird" specialists. If you or others agree, I could remove them or part of them (depending how the discussion will continue)--Zarxiel94 (talk) 16:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Melli: His teams in all battles are Poison types. Nobles, I would think, don't count as it's not actually their Pokemon (again, I would think).

Steven: You've already asked and were already given an answer. You are choosing to ignore what you were told. The Trainer's Eyes still explicitly state that he prefers Steel types, making him a Steel specialist.

Lillie: She still uses Fairy types in her battles, Nebby doesn't really count as it's not hers and doesn't become her Pokemon in future battles.

Just because a trainer only uses 3 (at worst 2) Pokemon of the same type, doesn't make them not a type specialist. Granted they are battled multiple times and they all have Pokemon that share a common type. That should be the basic ground rule.--ForceFire 17:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

I did not ignored it, I even cited that quote. Steel being the favourite type not necessarly mean is a specialist. I mean... make sense for a character have a favourite type without being a specialist at all, if Blue say his favourite type is Flying, that don't make him a specialist, just make Flying his favourite type and that it. While Lillie, as said before, Masters confirm Lunala (where she confirm is not the same the player get in the mainstory) and Polteageist, making 3/5 Fairy. And Lillie is never battled actually... she is just an ally in 2 occasions. The proofs of them being specialists are quite weak... For Melli, yhea... we don't have solid proofs about Nobles being their Pokémon or not. We need to see what Masters say when the start to release Hisui stuff--Zarxiel94 (talk) 18:20, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already, but another point for Steven being a Steel-type specialist is that there's no Trainer specialising in Steel-types at the Battle Resort.

Also, I don't think that a character being an opponent or an ally to the player should factor in to whether or not we consider them a specialist; they're a Trainer either way. — ⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟ [ Talk ■ Contribs ] 18:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh... you are right there... never noticed that. Yhea... would be weird being just a coincidence, so yhea... that seems to prove in GF mind Steven is a specialist. For Lillie, I just mean, we don't see her battle multiple times, and still, from 5 know Pokémon she have, just 3 are Fairy, and... that don't really seems to be a great proof... so... for Lillie the reason why she is considered a specialist is very weak... (Colress too now that I think about... I'm pretty sure he have far more no-Steel then Steel, and differently from Steven, I think there there is no reference about Steel-type at all (or at least if there is, I'm unaware of it)--Zarxiel94 (talk) 18:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Lillie is a Fairy specialist as much as Alder is a Bug specialist. Not to mention, 2 of her 3 in game-pokemon are Battle Tree exclusive, which generally aren't counted because they're there for either thematic or team-comp. reasons (like Mallow having Talonflame and Guzma having Toxapex). ShallowShaddoll (talk) 18:56, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

So... you mean we should not consider her a specialist, or we should consider Alder as one? Because I'm way more propense for the first one--Zarxiel94 (talk) 06:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Since the Shadow Triad and 2 of the TF Admins too seems to make confusion by a user, I suggest to talk about them too. The Admins to me aren't specialist and they have 2 Dark just for a coincidence, even because the other 2 don't use a "full" Dark-type team. While for the Shadow Triad (I don't even sure if they should be considered characters actually, to me they are more a trainer class) use Bisharp, Absol, Banette and Accelgor, making 2 Dark vs 2 no-Dark, and if we consider each member, well... to me is just dumb one of them being specialist and the other 2 aren't... this seems very much a coincidence that one of them just have Dark-type for how few Pokémon they use. Because if we use the criteria of "they use only 1 type" without considering the amount of Pokémon, then Agatha and Lance by this criteria are Poison and Flying specialist, but we know that is the case just for a coincidence, not because they are intended to be so. Lillie, the TF Admins and Shadow Triad (this last no so much since use Banette and Accelgor) could easly be coincidence. Actually... Lillie in Masters use Polteageist and Lunala, and Masters is a game deeply focused on mainseries despite being a spin-off, and in my opinion should not be completly ignored.

In my opinion we should consider a specialist so if they meet one of this 2 criteria:

• The character is officially stated to be specialist somewhere (duh)
• The character use at least 4 different species Pokémon, and all of them being the same type

Rose for exemple isn't confirmed explicitly to be a specialist, but have 5 different Steel-type, and is very unlikely to be a coincidence. TF Admins just 2, and could easly be a coincidence and the characters aren't intended to be a specialist. Now that I'm thinking... we have any official source that say Colress is a Steel specialist? Because his team to me seems more a science based them then a Steel specialist team, and he have a good amount of Steel just because a lot of Steels are science related... someone know if there is a source about him being a specialist?--Zarxiel94 (talk) 06:23, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

So?--Zarxiel94 (talk) 21:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Gallery

The gallery section is getting huge, perhaps some images could get shrunk down to take up less of the screen. Perhaps moving the TCG raw pics to a second gallery in the tcg section could work? Kinda like on the pagges of Kanto characters. Meervo (talk) 10:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)