Talk:Barry (anime)

This page belongs in the anime section of the game character. We have it for almost all the other game characters that appear in the anime so why should this be any different. Jmath 14:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Because he's different. He's a Cross-canon counterpart. It would be just like having Ash as a subsection of Red's article. --Maxim 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No he isn't. Jun is basically the same character. Unlike Ash and Red who have some differences. Jmath 14:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Shut up, he is! He's a Cross-canon counterpart. We have articles on all Cross-canon counterparts: Ash, Gary, Jimmy, Marina, Vincent May and Dawn, we also have articles on ALL manga counterparts, then why not on Jun, too? He's got a FULL appearance, unlike Silver, Brendan and Lucas, so he fully deserves a specific article. He is also a MAIN game rival (unlike Wally, who didn't appear in anime, but if he did, he would deserve nothing more than an anime subsection in the game article). Remember for your life - Cross-canon counterpart = Different Character! --Maxim 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

They can only be cross-canon counterparts if one of the characters are based off on the other. But Jun is exactly the same as his game character. Personality, Pokémon, everything. Jmath 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No, that's not true. Any MAIN character counterpart is considered different (except the mentioned three, whose appearances weren't long enough) and please, don't say anything about his personality. That's what we call gun-jumping. We don't even really know what Pokémon will he posess. Rival counterpart = Different character. It's a thing you just have to remember. Don't act like you know more than me about Pokémon. --Maxim 14:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

We don't even know if Jun will be appearing again. And even if Jun is different so should the countless number of game characters that appeared in the show. Jmath 14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Jimmy also appeared for only one episode (though I agree that he SHOULD NOT be put to the template). So, your logic fails. He's an Inter-Media Counterpart not matter if you like it or not. --Maxim 14:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I was not talking about Jimmy. I'm talking about all the gym leaders, game villains, Elite 4, heck even Cheryl and Mira. Jmath 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Then why does Jimmy have an article about him in your opinion? He's just an one-time character, so shouldn't he be just a subsection of Gold according to your logic? The Gym Leaders, Villains, Elite 4 and Other Characters you mentioned are actually the same characters in all canons they appear. It's generally accepted that only counterparts of MAIN game characters count as separate characters. Main characters = Game protagonists, Rivals (the characters you can name, in general). It's a generally-accepted standard and Jun meets it. So, don't argue. --Maxim 14:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Jmath does have a point, Dawn's mother doesn't have an article, and she's pretty important, I would even say more important than Jun, because Johanna has a relation to Dawn. I don't see why Jun would deserve his own article. When Johanna even doesn't. --Dman dustin 14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

FAIL. Johanna is not a MAIN game characters, not a rival or protagonist, she is just a mother. She may be important in the anime, in the games she's not. So, her anime incarnation DOES NOT deserve an article. Your argument failed like a bomb in ocean. --Maxim 14:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Jimmy isn't exactly same as Gold. They're still different just as Ash and Red are different. And by your logic, May and Dawn should go also be in the games page. Jmath 14:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No, they shouldn't. Because they are protagonists/rivals. My main criteria is not the importance of the character in the other canon, name difference or design differences but rather his ROLE IN THE GAME. This is a criteria everyone here agrees with. You're arguing with me for no reason. And you keep losing. --Maxim 14:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Professor Oak, Professor Birch, Professor Elm, Professor Rowan also don't have their own articles (And argue all you want but Professor OAK IS IMPORTANT IN THE GAMES). And plus what you said makes no sense, how is a parent/relative less important than a game rival? Add to the fact we have articles of COTD's and still other characters don't have their own articles. SO YOUR LOGIC FAILS. --Dman dustin 14:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No, it does not fail. The Professors are important, but they're not MAIN characters. And saying that protagonist's parent who just sits in house and sometimes enter Contests is more important that the game rival is just RIDICULOUS. Please, don't insist that you know anything about the things you have no idea about. It's what I hate the most in people like you. --Maxim 14:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Then why the hell do we have articles of people who only showed up once in the anime when these characters I mentioned showed up more than once. See that doesn't make sense. Sure argue I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but you don't either. --Dman dustin 14:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)