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== Overworld Sprite? ==
== Overworld Sprite? ==


Can someone add and overworld sprite for Hilbert into the sprites table? Hilda's got hers in but none for Hilbert [[File:Hilbert OD.png‎]]
Can someone add and overworld sprite for Hilbert into the sprites table? Hilda's got hers in but none for Hilbert [[File:Hilbert OD.png‎]] {{unsigned|Emeraldben}}
:That's a beta sprite. Well, it's not really that different, but it looses quality due to just being taken from an early screenshot rather than actually ripped form the game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:That's a beta sprite. Well, it's not really that different, but it looses quality due to just being taken from an early screenshot rather than actually ripped form the game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


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== Black/White 2 sprite ==
== Black/White 2 sprite ==
I think I saw a new Hilbert sprite in CoroCoro magazine for Black and White 2. If someone has it, can they scan it and put it up? [[User:JacobTheDoduo|JacobTheDoduo]] 01:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
I think I saw a new Hilbert sprite in CoroCoro magazine for Black and White 2. If someone has it, can they scan it and put it up? [[User:JacobTheDoduo|JacobTheDoduo]] 01:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
:* Don't think that is the same character.  Plus, it was stated that [[Pokemon Black and White Versions 2|Black and White 2]] are supposed to take place 2 years ''after'' the events of Black and White. If anything that would require a new page on its own and I am not sure if there is enough info released right now to even start a page for them (maybe later in the month or year, I personally don't know).  Have names been released yet? ---[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 17:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
::They definitely aren't the same characters. Those ones will have separate pages. They've both got preliminary pages in the userspace at the moment, but literally all we know is their pictures and that they are the player characters. We're going to wait until we've got more than that before they get mainspaced. Names would be nice to have (but not absolutely necessary). <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 21:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
== Trivia: Age Source ==
From what I read on Serebii's Archive, the source seems to be the CoroCoro June 2010 issue as stated on the post from May 12th of that year. [http://www.serebii.net/archive/May-2010.shtml]  To quote: "CoroCoro states that the protagonists are older than they have been so far"  Hopefully, that will help to find out where it is in there, if Serebii was correct at the time.  [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:34, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
:While we won't/can't use Serebii as a source, the date helped me to find our own article with the information. Thanks. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 07:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
::True, though it is a good thing that you can sometimes trace back the original source through Serebii.  In any case, no problem since I forgot about checking through Bulbanews for the source.  [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:08, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
== Permission ==
It is ok to post Hibert´s silhouette in Pokemon Generations since is the only(and probably ever) appearence of Hibert in anime?-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 21:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Don´t know who did it but you have my thanks. -- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 05:19, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
==Invalid Source==
This is not a source for Hilbert's age: http://raim2005.blog18.fc2.com/blog-entry-980.html
It lists Cheren's age, and someone keeps editing this page trying to pass Cheren's age off as Hilbert's age.
[[User:Goweegie2|Goweegie2]] ([[User talk:Goweegie2|talk]]) 02:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:It says they're all the same age. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:25, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
::One of the sources said it's not known if 14-15 is their age for BW1 or BW2, but it's probably BW1 since CoroCoro stated that the BW protagonists were older than the previous ones, who were 11-12. I'm not sure if I should add that since it might be considered speculation, though. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 03:42, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
== Hilbert's voice in Pokemon Masters EX ==
His English VA is not listed, but it is actually Griffin Burns. It is what is listed on IMDB and behindthevoiceactors.com
[[User:Iluvchess|Iluvchess]] ([[User talk:Iluvchess|talk]]) 19:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
:IMDB and behindthevoiceactors are not credible sources. A credible source would be directly from the voice actor themselves via social media or email. Someone else has already added the information with a credible source.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 07:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
::May I ask what the credible source is? I searched all over Mr. Burns' twitter but couldnt find anything proving it
::Also replying on Bulbapedia is too hard and I could literally change what you wrote, can we get rid of this old reddit style?
::[[User:Iluvchess|Iluvchess]] ([[User talk:Iluvchess|talk]]) 23:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I forgot that TikTok exists and never checked there [[User:Iluvchess|Iluvchess]] ([[User talk:Iluvchess|talk]]) 00:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
== Move ==
I suggest moving this page from "Hilbert (game)" to simply "[[Hilbert]]" (which is currently a redirect to this page).
Related discussion: [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub#About the page titles like Red (game), Blue (game), etc.]] --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 02:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
== Infobox age source ==
I don't think the source for Hilbert/Hilda/Bianca/Cheren's age is valid - claims to be from a Q&A, but provides no evidence. While it's believable, I don't think that's sufficient enough. Can someone find a better source or remove the information until it's found? [[User:Cici|Cici]] ([[User talk:Cici|talk]]) 07:35, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:Went ahead and removed it for now. Let me know if a better source is found or feel free to revert if it's agreed upon that the blog is adequate enough. [[User:Cici|Cici]] ([[User talk:Cici|talk]]) 22:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for bringing it up. I checked the sources used within the sourced blog post. The event in question was covered by [https://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/518/518926/index-2.html Dengeki], which Masuda [https://x.com/Junichi_Masuda/status/232421562144399360 linked on his Twitter] as well. The fact that there was a Q&A session scheduled can be verified on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20120723010434/https://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2012/07/120720_p01.html official Japanese website]. The blog post, by blue sky, provides a summary of the event, as they themselves were in attendance of said fan meeting, which is although more descriptive but matches with the images and the Dengeki article for the most part. Q&A session is the only thing missing from the Dengeki article, which I feel confident in giving the benefit of the doubt that the press was likely not allowed to cover the Q&A session with fans. The ages in question come from that session, apparently, per the blog post and they mention that they didnt say whether the age was for bw or b2w2. From what I have read, I find it difficult to come up with a reason against the validity of the blog post in question or their account of events. I support adding it back. [[User:Adil|<span style="color:#009900;font-weight:bold;">Adil</span>]] — [[User talk:Adil|<span style="color:#003399;font-weight:bold;">Talk to me</span>]] 01:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I know the Q&A was real, I should've made that more clear. The blog even links to that article. I also found [https://www.famitsu.com/news/201208/05019240.html this one]. I was skeptical about that question because I didn't see any evidence that question was asked and I didn't see any proof they actually attended. What I wasn't aware of is that there was apparently was second Q&A for fans that wasn't allowed to be covered by the press, which makes it difficult because that would prevent any official transcripts from being released. Looking at the blog again, they source multiple Twitter accounts for information, most of which don't exist anymore, but sadly don't link to the actual tweets containing said information. There's also [https://pk-mn.com/n/b2w2-fan-meeting-n-nenrei/ this other blog] which goes over the age question, except it says Cheren is 14-15 instead of just 14, I'm not sure which we'd add back if we end up doing that. I'm open to it since like I said, I find it believable, I just think it'd be better to get a more official source rather than second-hand accounts. [[User:Cici|Cici]] ([[User talk:Cici|talk]]) 19:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] already reverted it so I added the second blog as a source and changed it to 14-15. I'm guessing most would probably agree they're legitimate sources, and I'd also agree it's more likely than not the question was asked (though not 100%, more like 85%). I'd also like to thank you for engaging in discussion with me rather than just dismissing me outright. [[User:Cici|Cici]] ([[User talk:Cici|talk]]) 19:57, 18 January 2025 (UTC), edited 20:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::No worries, and I appreciate the thought. Also thanks for correcting it! [[User:Adil|<span style="color:#009900;font-weight:bold;">Adil</span>]] — [[User talk:Adil|<span style="color:#003399;font-weight:bold;">Talk to me</span>]] 21:35, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:35, 18 January 2025

Permission

to add Kanoko Town as starting town?--PhantomJunkie 15:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Speculation?

Has it been confirmed that he will get a gift from Professor Araragi, what if he gets it from his family? --Landfish7 12:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Actually, it's confirmed that the gift is from his family. --SnorlaxMonster 12:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Default name?

I keep seeing his name being defaulted as Touya (ジュン), apparently from the Battle Subway as a tag-battle partner. Does anyone have any confirmation so we can move it or not? Pocketfanmk 00:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Protip: your Japanese says "Jun."
His Pixiv tag is at "Touya," and White's is at "Touko," but I believe we're waiting until we can see it first-hand before moving. 梅子 00:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

OOPS! I meant トウヤ! Wonder how that happened. But I just want someone to do that Battle Subway so we can get some kind of confirmation. Pocketfanmk 00:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Me too. My *ekhm* game crashes at Battle Subway. --Maxim 14:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Touya and Touko are added IN the articles, but the article is not moved itself. Is there any evidence? I'd kinda like the page to be moved if its confirmed, or to have the names taken out of the article, if not? Pocketfanmk 04:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

Tōya/Tōko confirmation

Not a straight-from-game one but here is the full Battle Subway Trainer List from BW. Tōya and Tōko are there on the very bottom, next to the Subway Masters. The number next to them stand for the Pokémon that they use. I think the pages should be moved now. The problem is - our current Romanization standard. MoS says to use Hepburn (hence, Tōya and Tōko) but I got recently scolded by Maverick Nate that I shouldn't use macrons. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on with the Romanizations here? --Maxim 08:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

English names from demos

According to demos for Black and White, Touya is supposedly called "Blair". His female counterpart, Touko, is named "Whitlea". To avoid problems, I think its safe to protect both pages for now, but what do I know. -Ninterror 15:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Chances are that these names are just for the demos (being Black/White-based) and the NPC names from Battle Subway will be different. But even if it's the case, these names still deserve a mention in Trivia section, in my opinion. --Maxim 15:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
I also think it should be added in Trivia that in demos he was named Blair (an infinitely better name, at that). It's mentioned that fans referred to him as Black, so if that deserves a mention, so too does his demo name. --SpeedSuicune 21:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Kuro

On several pages on www.pokemonblackwhite.com, Touya is named Kuro. I am unsure if this means that it is the official name or not, but whatever it is, it is a new name, and is about as viable as Blair. TorchicBlaziken (talkedits) 00:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Like Blair, is most likely the name they chose for the player, not the character himself. --ケンジガール 00:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Miracle Launcher

Could someone change the link in the sprite box from "Miracle Shooter" to "Miracle Launcher"? ShinyPikachu 14:03, 20 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Wonder Launcher, I think. --Maxim 14:27, 20 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Trivia

Do you really think that we need to put that his hat has a Pokéball on it? Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf. Mesuxelf 14:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

That's not what it says. It says that if you look from the sky, his hat will resemble a Pokeball Ataro 14:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
What do you mean, look from the sky?Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf. Mesuxelf 14:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
If you look at his hat from above Ataro 15:01, 20 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
If it were worded "From a bird's-eye-view", it would be easier to understand. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 00:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Nuvema Town is Kanoko Town

Someone needs to change in Touya's information that he starts in Nuvema Town, NOT Kanoko Town. Would Someone please change it?--Pokemon26 00:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Hilbert and Hilda

1 2... --Maxim 08:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Do those come from actual gameplay footage or another one of TPCi's videos/images? --HoennMaster 20:43, 2 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Either one doesn't matter, that's their appearance in the Battle Subway. Same place we got Touko and Touya.
I LOVED THE NAME BLAIR SO MUCH Reign 21:11, 3 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Overworld Sprite?

Can someone add and overworld sprite for Hilbert into the sprites table? Hilda's got hers in but none for Hilbert - unsigned comment from Emeraldben (talkcontribs)

That's a beta sprite. Well, it's not really that different, but it looses quality due to just being taken from an early screenshot rather than actually ripped form the game. --SnorlaxMonster 11:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)Reply

Battle Subway team information

Is there any way at all that Hilbert's (and Hilda's) list of available Battle Subway Pokemon can be placed into little hidden tags, similar to how the rivals teams are hidden? Scrolling the page is more of a hassle with all of them displayed. Grei 21:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)Reply

Black/White 2 sprite

I think I saw a new Hilbert sprite in CoroCoro magazine for Black and White 2. If someone has it, can they scan it and put it up? JacobTheDoduo 01:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

  • Don't think that is the same character. Plus, it was stated that Black and White 2 are supposed to take place 2 years after the events of Black and White. If anything that would require a new page on its own and I am not sure if there is enough info released right now to even start a page for them (maybe later in the month or year, I personally don't know). Have names been released yet? ---NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 17:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
They definitely aren't the same characters. Those ones will have separate pages. They've both got preliminary pages in the userspace at the moment, but literally all we know is their pictures and that they are the player characters. We're going to wait until we've got more than that before they get mainspaced. Names would be nice to have (but not absolutely necessary). Werdnae (talk) 21:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Trivia: Age Source

From what I read on Serebii's Archive, the source seems to be the CoroCoro June 2010 issue as stated on the post from May 12th of that year. [1] To quote: "CoroCoro states that the protagonists are older than they have been so far" Hopefully, that will help to find out where it is in there, if Serebii was correct at the time. Super goku (talk) 06:34, 11 September 2012 (UTC)Reply

While we won't/can't use Serebii as a source, the date helped me to find our own article with the information. Thanks. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 07:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)Reply
True, though it is a good thing that you can sometimes trace back the original source through Serebii. In any case, no problem since I forgot about checking through Bulbanews for the source. Super goku (talk) 07:08, 11 September 2012 (UTC)Reply

Permission

It is ok to post Hibert´s silhouette in Pokemon Generations since is the only(and probably ever) appearence of Hibert in anime?-- Robin Maximo (talk) 21:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Don´t know who did it but you have my thanks. -- Robin Maximo (talk) 05:19, 3 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Invalid Source

This is not a source for Hilbert's age: http://raim2005.blog18.fc2.com/blog-entry-980.html

It lists Cheren's age, and someone keeps editing this page trying to pass Cheren's age off as Hilbert's age.

Goweegie2 (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

It says they're all the same age. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:25, 17 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
One of the sources said it's not known if 14-15 is their age for BW1 or BW2, but it's probably BW1 since CoroCoro stated that the BW protagonists were older than the previous ones, who were 11-12. I'm not sure if I should add that since it might be considered speculation, though. --Poliwhirl (talk) 03:42, 21 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hilbert's voice in Pokemon Masters EX

His English VA is not listed, but it is actually Griffin Burns. It is what is listed on IMDB and behindthevoiceactors.com

Iluvchess (talk) 19:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

IMDB and behindthevoiceactors are not credible sources. A credible source would be directly from the voice actor themselves via social media or email. Someone else has already added the information with a credible source.--ForceFire 07:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
May I ask what the credible source is? I searched all over Mr. Burns' twitter but couldnt find anything proving it
Also replying on Bulbapedia is too hard and I could literally change what you wrote, can we get rid of this old reddit style?
Iluvchess (talk) 23:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, I forgot that TikTok exists and never checked there Iluvchess (talk) 00:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Move

I suggest moving this page from "Hilbert (game)" to simply "Hilbert" (which is currently a redirect to this page).

Related discussion: Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub#About the page titles like Red (game), Blue (game), etc. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Infobox age source

I don't think the source for Hilbert/Hilda/Bianca/Cheren's age is valid - claims to be from a Q&A, but provides no evidence. While it's believable, I don't think that's sufficient enough. Can someone find a better source or remove the information until it's found? Cici (talk) 07:35, 17 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Went ahead and removed it for now. Let me know if a better source is found or feel free to revert if it's agreed upon that the blog is adequate enough. Cici (talk) 22:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for bringing it up. I checked the sources used within the sourced blog post. The event in question was covered by Dengeki, which Masuda linked on his Twitter as well. The fact that there was a Q&A session scheduled can be verified on the official Japanese website. The blog post, by blue sky, provides a summary of the event, as they themselves were in attendance of said fan meeting, which is although more descriptive but matches with the images and the Dengeki article for the most part. Q&A session is the only thing missing from the Dengeki article, which I feel confident in giving the benefit of the doubt that the press was likely not allowed to cover the Q&A session with fans. The ages in question come from that session, apparently, per the blog post and they mention that they didnt say whether the age was for bw or b2w2. From what I have read, I find it difficult to come up with a reason against the validity of the blog post in question or their account of events. I support adding it back. AdilTalk to me 01:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I know the Q&A was real, I should've made that more clear. The blog even links to that article. I also found this one. I was skeptical about that question because I didn't see any evidence that question was asked and I didn't see any proof they actually attended. What I wasn't aware of is that there was apparently was second Q&A for fans that wasn't allowed to be covered by the press, which makes it difficult because that would prevent any official transcripts from being released. Looking at the blog again, they source multiple Twitter accounts for information, most of which don't exist anymore, but sadly don't link to the actual tweets containing said information. There's also this other blog which goes over the age question, except it says Cheren is 14-15 instead of just 14, I'm not sure which we'd add back if we end up doing that. I'm open to it since like I said, I find it believable, I just think it'd be better to get a more official source rather than second-hand accounts. Cici (talk) 19:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Force Fire already reverted it so I added the second blog as a source and changed it to 14-15. I'm guessing most would probably agree they're legitimate sources, and I'd also agree it's more likely than not the question was asked (though not 100%, more like 85%). I'd also like to thank you for engaging in discussion with me rather than just dismissing me outright. Cici (talk) 19:57, 18 January 2025 (UTC), edited 20:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
No worries, and I appreciate the thought. Also thanks for correcting it! AdilTalk to me 21:35, 18 January 2025 (UTC)Reply