Talk:Pokémon world

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There's a nonexistent picture linked in the Culture section. Could someone remove it?Yinyang107 20:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

hi...i am the submitter of the edited version of the in game maps to make into one map and i fixed the file and uploaded the new file but the thumbnail on this page wont change...if nayobdy could help it would...well, help thanks!

Sure thing. Changing an image's size is easy. Now, here's the data as written on the page:

[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]

It's simple enough. You just have to know the size. For example, to reduce it to a 100 pixel picture, just add (shown in bold):

[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|100px|A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]

The end result is shown to the right. This can be done for any picture, and of varying sizes. --DarkfireTaimatsu 19:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to remove the image from the page due to some kind of database error, but it needs to be taken off. It's pure fanon. We can't know what the entire Pokemon World looks like in the games, and there is definitely NO evidence suggesting Sinnoh is connected to Kanto/Johto. --Greengiant 19:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes there is. In the animé, they say that Sinnoh is to the north of Kanto.

No, Sinnoh is not connected to Johto/Kanto regions because it has a very diferent variation of pokemon (nothing like Johto/Kanto regions pokémon) and if the regions were connected the pokemon from Sinnoh would mix with the pokémon from Johto/Kanto (it means that we would be able to see Piplups, Chimchars, Turtwigs, Buizels, Bunearys, Pachirisus, Starlys (and other pokémon that are being showned only in Sinnoh in the anime)in Kanto and Johto regions too, but it has'nt happened because the Sinnoh and the Johto/Kanto regions are sepperated from each other the way that the Hoen region is (In "Home is where the start is" Ash told: Sinnoh island, here I come!).And where are the Orange islands in that so called "map" at the top right of the page?--Tomas 10:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, just as Hoenn is west of Kanto. It's a separate island. --Greengiant 19:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

There isn't any evidence that Sinnoh is an island though, so each person can make up his/her own mind about whether it is on the same landmass as Kanto/Johto or not until official evidence is revealed.

Precisely. Everything on the wiki should be official. Keeping it up makes it look like we know when we don't. We just shouldn't have a map at all. It's interesting, but it has no place here. --Greengiant 19:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there any official evidence that contradicts the map?
And even if you are right, the map shouldn't be removed, just edited to not have Sinnoh.

Well there's certainly no evidence that supports it. The anime pictures deliberately separate Hoenn, Kanto/Johto, and Sinnoh with clouds because even they don't know what it's supposed to look like in its entirety. If we are going to have a fan-made map of these regions, we should at least follow suit and keep them separate. --Greengiant 19:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Why aren't you against having shipping articles on Bulbapedia? They are entirely fanon, and that map is only partially fanon.

Because Game Freak themselves have implied that Sinnoh is a separate landmass from Johto/Kanto. Sure you can't see the very southernmost point of Sinnoh, but nor can you see the very easternmost part or northernmost point. You certainly had no problem assuming that to the west was water, so why not leave it to the fact that, oh, I dunno... Sinnoh, Kanto/Johto, and Hoenn are based off of real locations, and they're separate landmasses in the real world. Sure, Game Freak takes liberties, but really, if they were connected, couldn't Ash have walked there from Pallet like he did to Johto? He never walked to Hoenn, that's a separate landmass, therefore, in my eyes, Sinnoh is as well. TTEchidna 20:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Ash took a boat because it is easier than walking.

Then why didn't he to get to Johto? If he took a boat from Pallet, it'd have to go all the way around the landmass to get to Twinleaf. Also, it's better to sign your comments so I know who's saying what. Use ~~~~. TTEchidna 20:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

He would have to go over the Kanto/Johto mountain range and the Sinnoh range to get to Twinleaf Town from Pewter City.Shiny Noctowl 20:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

He'd have to go past Mt. Silver to get to Johto. Don't see much real difference at all, especially since he showed no problem getting to anywhere else in Kanto. Sinnoh's separate in the anime interpretation of the map, so therefore, my vote is that it's an island, or at the very least, not on the same landmass as Kanto. TTEchidna 21:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

While I know it's not official, I at least think it's important to point out the most popular theory for how the Pokémon world is layed out, because I don't think this person is familiar with it, and he needs to see a good conflicting viewpoint. Click for giant pic. Sinnoh being to the north is still there, as it is in your created picture. The games/anime never say to the IMMEDIATE north. And as for Hoenn, they don't particularly label the areas North/South/East/West, so it still could be relevant.

All that aside, that is why your map doesn't belong here. Hoenn and Sinnoh are in locations we can't confirm so far, so we have to keep away from maps that assume that.--Porygon 02:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Submitter here: thats true that i did a pretty bad job making that part up...but i got rid of sinnoh and the photoshopped stuff in this version: click for edited map anyways...that map (Click for giant pic.) is interesting and proves your point that we have no idea where they all are...maybe we can send nintendo a letter or email or something to show us the official map of all the regions... for the first persons response...that was not the problem i was trying to fix but whatever...good to know...and...if you dont like that version then you can try this one. you know what...you guys should create a page just to display fan art! then we could put those there! - unsigned comment from Bill33421 (talk • contribs)

We're a Pokémon Encyclopedia, not a Fan Art site. --PAK Man ^Talk 02:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

yeah well you dont have to be so mean about it...humph

If I came off as being mean, then I apologize. I just meant that it's unlikely we'll have a page for displaying user's fanart, since that's not what Bulbapedia does. --PAK Man ^Talk 03:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

But hey, if you want to include any fan-esque speculation and art, you can always make a new page under your own user directory regarding that. Agry has her own page regarding what gender each Pokémon from the anime is that I find pretty interesting, even if it's nothing we can officially have on the Wiki it.--Porygon 04:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

well fine...but i cant figure out how to make a sub page...could somebody tell me? thanks! Bill33421

If you want a sub-page of your userpage, just put it at Bill33421/Whatever. For example, I have one of mine at User:TTEchidna/GSDS.

Thx

No, because Ash took a boat to travel there just like to Hoen(going to Sinnoh by an airship like to the Orange islandswould have been much quicker than a boat) - unsigned comment from Tomas (talk • contribs)

hoenn must be farther south because a desert would only be able exist at high temperatures, which would logically place it closer to the equator. of course Gens I and II might not have deserts because of lack of programming space.--Mtn otter 18:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

THE ALL IMPORTANT QUESTION IN THE POKEMON WORLD

DO ANIMALS EXIST IN THIS WORLD!!! (other than the worms being eaten by Pigeotto in Episode 3)

Yes. The episode in the Cerulean Gym shows fish swimming in the aquarium. Also, in the one with Brutella, there are fish swimming outside of the windows of the underwater resort. --Shiny Noctowl^{Talk|Trivia quiz} 21:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention that a coral reef (yes, they are classified as animals) was seen in the Manaphy movie.

The anime has not featured real animals since early Kanto thus they are unimportant and this question is not what it was hyped up to be. (Coral is just decoration so it doesn't count even if it is officially animal.) --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 17:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Breeding

There seems to be a misconception stated in the article that only when baby Pokémon grow into their adult phase can they breed. Obviously not true. Pichu, evolve to Pikachu. Pikachu can still breed... ^ht14 04:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Pikachu is not a baby Pokémon.--Clarky13 22:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... some Pokémon seem to be similar to mammals, so why do they produce eggs? Pikachu127

Featured article

Only have one more section to expand and complete, then the article is finished. Do you think this article is "Featured article" worthy? If not... explain.--Clarky13 22:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I found this

Navegating through the internet I found this:


That changes a bit the part that says that Orre is based on Arizona. hfc2X 21:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source for thiss??? --Theryguy512 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hfc2X, Although this is old, I would like to note that that is an accurate map. The only problem I noticed was Oree is not based off of Hiroshima Prefecture, because it doesn't have desert and No one in Japan likes to think about Hiroshima... but anyway. I think Orre is the Arizona Desert because it is the same shape and is totally desert. but thanks for sharing the map!! Sandshrew-san 6:55 EDT November 17, 2009

Has anyone seem this map before? Is it legiment?

There was this map I found. I think its for the TCG. Anyone seen it before? Heres the link? http://pojo.com/Features/Jan2002/022002Greg.html --Pokéboy93 01:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Judging from the cards depicted, it seems to be based on the Japanese TCG set The Town On No Map (E-Card 2). --DarkfireTaimatsu 02:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

More Real World Correlation

Just checked a map of Japan. Does anyone else believe it's accurate to say that the position of the Indigo Plateau corresponds to the position of Mt. Fuji in the real world? If so, it may be worth noting on the main page. Legionaireb 14:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I beleive it is accurate, but not note worthy.--Mtn otter 18:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Mt. Fuji is Mt. Silver. TTEchidna 17:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Location, Location, Location

We all are wondering about where the regions are, and we have little to go by (we know Kanto and Johto are beside each other and that Hoenn and Sinnoh are islands). However, I was looking at the maps and had a revelation. Look at Johto/Kanto. Far east looks like Earth's far east. We have a peninsula (Veridian) that looks like Japan, further west is a peninsula (Pallet) that looks like India, still further west is a peninsula in the approximate location of Africa. It looks a lot like Eurasia. So that got me to thinking and I realized how much Hoenn looks like Australia, so why not put it due south of Cinnabar island? Then you have Sinnoh, which has snowpoint, mountains, and looks suspiciously like Greenland, so put it westnorthwest of Johto. Then the Orange Islands can go in the general Philippines area. I know this is all speculation and vague likenesses (and I realize that the regions are based on those of Japan, not what I said), but I needed to throw the idea out there for others to see, think about, and consider.

What's wrong with the HeartGold and SoulSilver maps of Kanto and Johto?

There is a tint over them?--Midnight Blue 00:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

explanation here —darklordtrom 10:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Alright, it's new to me, so thnx.--Midnight Blue 17:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

In the anime....

In the anime in one episode (which I don't remember the specific name of) everyone in the episode mentions Hollywood and they go there, if I remember right. So wouldn't that be evidence that the Pokémon world is really just Earth itself, but with Pokémon? - unsigned comment from TheLastCharmander (talk • contribs)

1) Sign your comments (with ~~~~), please. 2) Read the article, please. 梅子^❄_❅ 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Sun and other real-world connection stuff

I think the Sun is another real-world reference -- not all planets have a perfectly-sized and yellowish-white sun anyway. Besides, the Gregorian calendar is also noteworthy. Together with the Foreign Building, it is also a reference of Christianity. The history section is way too long, since we have another article dedicated to it. Just remove the "Magikarp mutated and became weaker", "Porygon was created in the 1990s", etc. The Kyogre and Groudun, Ho-oh and Lugia parts need to be shortened too. Rxhar 09:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Legendary dogs

The three legendary dogs were reincarnations of three Pokémon that died in the Tin Tower fire, and it seems that that part was completely left out. Should that be added.--Christopher Costello 15:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Christian church

Should the episode in which the apparently Christian church appears be added to the section which mentions it? Bulbajer 02:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's overtly Christian... It takes design elements from temples, churches, and mosques. Besides, in what capacity would it be added to the article? That the existence of such a building suggests that religion exists in the Pokémon world? It doesn't seem particularly noteworthy to me. --AndyPKMN 02:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Well we've got the Foreign Building in Hearthome... which episode are you talking about? —darklordtrom 02:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Earth in Movie 1

Does anyone remember that Meowth said to his clone that they share the same EARTH!!! They live on EARTH! Although this is only the dub, I have not officially heard it in Japan. - unsigned comment from Ashanddawn4evr (talk • contribs)

He could mean the same soil Synner 21:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I always thought that the world was called Pokearth instead of Pokemon World or Earth. It says so on www.serebii.net. Meowth might have meant soil or he might've shortened Pokearth to Earth. Exsiiron 22:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Pokéarth is just the name that Serebii gave to his locations navigation page. Nowhere does he claim that the Pokémon world is called such. It's just a contraction much like how just about any descriptive list is called <insert name of items in list>dex. Werdnae (talk) 22:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Earth

Isn't the planet technically Earth? It looks like Earth and they didn't say Pokémon took place in a distant galaxy. Why is it called "Pokémon World" instead of "Earth?"--SeanWheeler 16:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Unless they specifically state it's Earth, it isn't. R.A. Hunter Blade 16:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Why does the Johto dex reference earth? Poliraths entry states "This strong and skilled swimmer is even capable of crossing the Pacific Ocean just by kicking." This must mean something.DJDantae 07:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, we know. There were many mentions of real places. But last I checked, "Sinnoh" is not the name of a real place. Yes, the Pokémon world was based on Earth. But it's not the same place we live in. It's never been said that they live on Earth. We can't make that assumption. --electAbuzzzz 08:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

Under the "Technology" section, there is a link fail. Admins, can you please spot it and fix it? CuboneKing 00:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Minor edit request

Hi - in the section Culture, there should probably be a link to the Ever Grande Conference in the caption of the image. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request!!

Under the "Culture" section, a line reads: "so it plausible that the population believes in Pokémon as their religion".

That should probably read "it is". Admins! Get to it! Shady got 10,000 for winning 21:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Multiple eggs?

It says in the reproduction section that Pokémon will sometimes lay various eggs at a time. Is this referring to a specific episode of the anime or can you get more than one egg from a daycare center at once or what? I couldn't find anything about this in the Pokémon egg or Pokémon breeding articles. --Jared 04:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it's just talking about how if you leave two Pokémon in the Day Care indefinitely, they'll continue to produce eggs (as opposed to one egg per Pokémon per stay in the Day Care). --ZestyCactus 05:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I swear I once got two eggs from the same pair at the same time in Diamond. —darklordtrom 05:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Me too! D:--Pokélova! 20:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it is possible, I haven't played any of the Gen IV games. If so, it really should say so in the breeding and/or egg articles. And I don't think it means what Zesty Cactus says, at least not the way it is written right now, with the phrase "at one time" --Jared 00:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I've never seen this, or heard of it happening anywhere. R.A. Hunter Blade 00:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Undeniable Proof that Pokemon World is OUR Earth!

While playing out the TRU Arceus event--where Arceus apparently creates either Dialga, Palkia or Giratina--there is a picture of our Earth (specifically the most famous picture of Earth taken by Apollo 17):

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbtRw87uOc#t=6m13s (This is a YouTube video, the link fast-forwards the video to the point in the montage that specifically shows the Earth)

Now, it makes sense that the montage is meant to show that Arceus is in control of the life and energy on and/or in the planet they're living on... by showing the Earth in that one scehe--specifically that one very VERY well known shot of it--instead of some kind of generic blue-green planet, means to me that they are most certainly on our planet Earth.

To which, I think this piece of information should be added to the article, maybe as evidence that the Pokemon World(s) take place on Earth (OUR Earth), albeit on a different Earth akin to DC Comic's Infinite Earths system, or like on the TV show "Sliders". - Nick15 22:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Dammit Nick, you had me fooled. I went to my travel agent and tryed to book a flight to Saffron City but she told me that it doesn't exist. Not on our planet, anyway.

The Pokémon world is based on our Earth, yes, we have an entire article detailing the similarities. And this should definitely be mentioned there. But claiming that this takes place on OUR Earth? Not until Google Earth will give me driving directions from LaRousse City to Oldale Town. --electAbuzzzz 07:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it's a parallel world. Should this be put (but only as a possibility) either here or here??--Juzey!! (Talk) 14:09, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Pokemon Planet Picture

An orbital view of the Pokémon world, seen in the anime. Note the striking resemblance to Earth.

Just because it is blue, does not mean it has a striking resemblance, the continents are very different to Earth's. However, it should be noted that Unova is shown on the planet. XVuvuzela2010X 05:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon world and Pokémon World

Does it bother anyone else that the two have identical titles but in different cases? One is this page, while another is a disambiguation page. I think that Pokémon World should be moved to Pokémon World (disambiguation). --SnorlaxMonster 02:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

The world of Pokemon is based on Japanese culture.

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/index.php?paged=8 No.107

Because it was developer's(junichi masuda) opinion, I added it to the article. Sawamular101 02:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I think that this is a little pre-Gen V. :P Ash_Pokemaster 09:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.

Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from the Brooklyn Bridge and Rainbow Bridge(Tokyo).

Entralink draws inspiration from the Tokyo Imperial Palace.

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. Sawamular101 13:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Um... If that's the source, then please link it or scan it or whatever, so that you're believable. --Han Ji-Wan 16:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Someone was translating "Pokemon pia(Japanese magazine)". Is not "Nintendo Dream vol.204" translated? Sawamular101 00:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Setting of Unova by original(Japanese) version.

1 Currency＝Japanese yen.

2 Name of person＝Japanese name(About 70%)

3 name of region and City/Town＝Japanese name

The developer calls a Japanese version original, and says that the non-Japanese version is localize. [[1]]

I think that Japan influences it in addition. This is my guess.

1 Castelia City(Compound of New York and Tokyo.)

2 Abundant Shrine (The Shinto shrine is set up.)

I do not think that the influence of Japan is small in an original(Japanese) version. Sawamular101 00:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on? That's a different matter entirely. Just because hints of the creators' own culture worked their way into Unova doesn't mean that Japan was still its primary basis. And the currency, character names, and town names are in Japanese in the original because that's what the Japanese audience will understand and be familiar with. Every localization changes those things to be more understandable to their target audience as well. --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 12:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Do not you esteem original? Do you know that the Pokemon is a game of Japan?

AndyPKMN「Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on?」

Because I am not a developer, it is not possible to declare. When information is found, it brings it. Sawamular101 13:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Look, this is silly. You were the same one stressing months ago that Unova had the "motif" of New York City rather than being "based on" New York City. Now you're arguing the opposite, that the culture of the Pokémon World is "based on" Japanese culture rather than simply including elements of Japanese culture. Yes, the original games are Japanese, and probably drew from the experience the developers had in their own culture. But they're not averse to drawing from other cultures; indeed, the Pokémon world seems to be as varied culturally as our own (besides currency, which is kept the same in all games for consistency's sake). --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 22:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I do not say that the Japanese culture is a base. I wanted to object that the culture of Japan was little.

Sawamular101「In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.」

This is my remark. If the symbol of another country is arranged, that brought the culture of another country.

If "Currency" and "Name of person" and "name of region and City/Town" is consistent, it may be called a culture.

I'm sorry in unskilled English. Is the discussion impossible?Sawamular101 01:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I got the impression from the third party.[2]

I think, original is "Especial". However, there is a person who says, "not Especial", too.

Because various ideas are respected, let's concede each other. Sawamular101 06:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Scandinavia x2?

I was looking around for info about Unova in the wiki, when I noticed something in this "http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Unova_world_map.png" map.

Look at the lower right corner at the map, see the continents facing each other, there you have 2 identical copies of Scandinavia (-Denmark). comments?

link for wikipedia, for those who don't know what Scandinavia is: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia"

(I am new to editing Wiki pages, so I don't know the codes yet, someone edit this so its readable, please?)

Yeah. It looks like Scandinavia. But, this is just an anime map. It's entirely made up, it's not like GameFreak or the Anime will create future regions in that map. Also, make sure you sign your name. (Just look at the reminder above when editing. :] --Han Ji-Wan 18:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I just reacted to the fact that they where so near, and completely identical, its like the crators did not put any effort in it. btw, I did not get my hopes up for a Scandinavia pokemon region, I know that is less likely than, let say, a Germany based region.--Grambo 19:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

(Make sure you add another colon when replying, for example, if you will reply to my post, you need to have 3 colons). Well, because Unova is the focus of that map, so the creators didn't really pay much attention to the rest of the continents on the map. But, what were you trying to say? Did you want someone to point it out in the article?? --Han Ji-Wan 21:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

It's not the first time that map has appeared, so it is possible that it could be canon. The similarities are pointed out in the article for BW009, so it could be added if there is not something about it already, but you would need to check with an Admin first.

this is the trivia form BW009's page:

When rotated 90 degrees, some continents or parts of them shown in Team Rocket's computer highly resemble areas of the real world, such as Greenland, Fennoscandia & Novaya Zemlya.

XVuvuzela2010X 22:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version?

I was surprised for Celebi not to be worshiped as a god in an English version.

Celebi(もりのかみさま/God(KAMI) of Forest) Ilex Forest shrine

Mesprit(かんじょうのかみ/God(KAMI) of feelings) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Uxie(ちしきのかみ/God(KAMI) of knowledge) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Azelf(いしのかみ/God(KAMI) of will) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Dialga(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine

Palkia(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine

Landorus(畑の神様/God(KAMI) of field.) Abundant Shrine

This information is described in Japanese Pokedex. It looks like polytheism in a Japanese version.

I know there is a problem in the translation of KAMI(god or spirit). However, all are same classes as KAMI when seeing from the viewpoint of Shintoism(Japanese).

Does an English version write only "Arceus" as a god? Does Pokemon's world (English version) look like the monotheism? Sawamular101 11:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say.. But I don't think we should base the whole world's belief on the known Pokemon we have. Here on Earth, are we monotheistic or polytheistic? Neither, because the world is not one. I don't think that Arceus was ever confirmed to be a "god" in the Pokemon games, at least in the english games. The games only stated that Arceus is the "creator" of the world. Big difference. As for Celebi and the others, I have no idea since I don't read Japanese. Also, please click on the "Show preview" button before pushing the "Save page" button. Han Ji-Wan 14:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the instruction. I am not insisting by the guess.

A Japanese version obviously has the element of polytheism. The shrine is called HOKORA(Small Shinto shrine). And, it is explained that a specific Pokemon is KAMI(GOD or spirit).

It is a setting that doesn't exist in an English version. I think that it is a big difference related to the world setting if differing from a Japanese version. I am not hostile to the monotheism. Sawamular101 15:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Nothing is ever stated as actually being a god in the English games, but Arceus is the creator, thus a god.

What the English games state:

Celebi: "forest's protector" (CHGSS, on the shrine itself), "forest's guardian" (Crystal only, the girl in the Celebi event)

Uxie: The Being of Knowledge

Mespirit: The Being of Emotion

Azelf: The Being of Willpower

Dialga and Palkia: I can't really find anything, but if you gave me the Japanese sentence I could probably locate the English equivalent. At best, they are called "beings".

Landorus: Again, having trouble finding anything calling it something that might have been translated from kami, but giving me the Japanese text may allow me to locate the English translation. --SnorlaxMonster 10:59, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Celebi(crystal Pokedex) もりのかみさま　として　まつられる。きれいな　もりが　あるところ　そこに　セレビィは　あらわれる

Uxie(diamond Pokedex) ちしきのかみ　と　よばれている。 めを　あわせた　ものの　きおくを　けしてしまう　ちからを　もつという。

Mespirit(diamond Pokedex) かなしみの　くるしさと　よろこびの　とうとさを　ひとびとに　おしえた。 かんじょうのかみ　と　よばれている。

Azelf(diamond Pokedex) いしのかみ　と　よばれている。　みずうみの　そこで　ねむりつづけ　せかいの　バランスを　とっている。

Dialga(diamond Pokedex) じかんを　あやつる　ちからを　もつ。　シンオウちほうでは　かみさまと　よばれ　しんわに　とうじょうする。

Palkia(diamond Pokedex) くうかんを　ゆがめる　のうりょくを　もち　シンオウちほうの　しんわでは　かみさまとして　えがかれている。

Landorus(black Pokedex) ランドロスが 訪れる 土地は 作物が たくさん 実るため 畑の神様と 言われている。

Lugia (silver Pokedex) うみのかみさま(God(KAMI) of the sea)　と　つたえられる　ポケモン。あらしのよる　すがたを　みたという　はなしが　つたえられる。

There is no shrine in Lugia. "Palkia" and "Dialga" are explained deity in an English version. Sawamular101 12:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh, Pokédex entries. That makes it much easier.

Celebi: "guardian of the forest"

The Lake trio remain the same as I mentioned before (I checked their Pokédex entries already)

Dialga: "ancient deity"

Palkia: "deity"

Lugia: "guardian of the seas"

Landorus: "The Guardian of the Fields"

So kami is translated as either deity, being or guardian, with only deity implying that it is a god. This is probably due to the sensitivity of mentioning religion in any fiction in the western world. However, I would like to point out that English fans refer to Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus collectively as the kami trio. --SnorlaxMonster 12:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I want to question you on Pokemon world(English version). Do you see it like polytheism or monotheism?

Most of the Pokemon that is called KAMI in a Japanese version is related to the shrine(hokora). Could you understand there is an element of polytheism in a Japanese version? Sawamular101 13:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I understand how polytheism is more evident in the Japanese version. It seems to be more of the fact that they are worshiped rather than actually being gods. Arceus is the creator, but is nor worshiped, except perhaps by the people who built the Sinjoh Ruins. So I would believe that the people of the Pokémon world view these Pokémon as gods, but Arceus is the true creator. However, it depends on whether you restrict the status of god to being something directly involved in creation, or something that is worshiped as one. I see how both monotheism and polytheism can be interpreted from the Pokémon world. --SnorlaxMonster 13:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. It was a happy discussion. Sawamular101 14:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

The opinion of kami trio had been forgotten. I cannot propose it concerning the change in the name. I think that kami trio is a good name. Sawamular101 23:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

South America

In the Pokemon mansion on Cinnabar Island one of the scientist's notes mentions that Mew was found in South America. Would it be okay to add that to the trivia section? Tokeupdude 10:25, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit - Nevermind haha, the page already mentioned that. I figured it would be under trivia so I missed it. My bad. Tokeupdude 10:27, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Biggest cities

Should we add a list of the biggest cities in Pokémon world? Ariano 17:10, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I personally don't think it's very notable, in the games articles it is already stated. And since this is overarching and not just the games, manga, anime, everything. So I don't think it would be a good idea. --Spriteit 23:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

A change between games

Is it just the Japanese-to-English translations, or something else, that makes the "Pokemon World" of Generations I and II-V so different? In Generation I, a lot of real-world places were mentioned (example being the mention of China in a Pokedex entry, and South America in Pokemon Mansion journals). Mew was credited as being the ancestor of Pokemon, there were few legendaries, and there were many mentions of Pokemon as originating from extra-terrestrial sources. To me, it all seemed like a scientific sort of world. But in Generation II and onward, it turned increasingly into a world dominated, as well as created, by little 'gods' (you can hardly throw a stick now without hitting a legendary, and the number increases with each generation). I disliked this change, and I wonder what brought it about (it's odd considering the game was created by a man's love for bug-collecting).

My point is, perhaps this odd change could be given a sort of technical mention? Unless this article is more focused on 'playing the game' (as Sherlockians call it), pretending that the game is 'real' in a sense and must be consistent throughout, paving over inconsistencies with excuses and theories... I'm no "later-gen" basher, because so far I really like Black and White. I just think it's a notable shift in the series. It may even be something to turn some 'nostalgia' players off. KaizokuShojo 06:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

It could be. I don't know what other users think about this but to me there are three canons that are different from others and may not be the same: games make up their own world, anime and mangas have their own, different worlds as they all are made by different companies and people and differ so much. Actually one could say that Pokemon world(s) is( or are) a paraller universe(s) to our own or other Pokemon worlds, as there are Andies and so on. The regions like Johto and Sinnoh could be the Kansai region and Hokkaido in a different universe(s). Plus it should be noted that as being the first, Gen I was different in many ways. Usually people don't know what direction they are taking the games or other things which is what I believe was the case with Game Freak. They backfilled their consepts in Gen II and onwards. Ariano 12:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

pokemon as food

Perhaps worthy of mention, I recall there having been both ham and sausage in the anime, most likely made of Pokemon, since there's not many animals running around--Elveonora (talk) 12:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually, at least in the Original series, there WERE animals. Besides, the Pokedex names for various Pokémon had to imply animals existed to some degree, and based on the implications of various Pokémon games, killing Pokémon is looked down upon. Weedle Mchairybug (talk) 15:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Alternate versions

I'd like to note the existance of alternate versions of it, shown by the mentions of each other as alternate worlds in Black/Black 2 and White/White 2, what Zinnia says in the Delta episode and what Archie/Maxie says about them reawakening Kyogre/Groudon in another world, but I can't work out where it goes. Can anyone help? PartHunter (talk) 11:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree that adding a section about the multiverse would be good. As obvious as this may seem, I would suggest placing this section at the end of the article after Physics and Technology, because that is what it is most closely related to. You could also place it as a subcategory, since multiverse theory is technically physics and the ORAS link cable was a large, new piece of technology. Tneal2 13:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Evolution and Eevee

In the Evolution section, it states that Burmy is the closest thing Pokemon has to actual evolution. I'm assuming the reference used is Burmy's HGSS Pokédex entry: "It covers itself with a cloak to shelter from the cold. When it's hot, its cloak is thinner." While I do understand this reasoning, what about Eevee? Here's its Gold entry: "It has the ability to alter the composition of its body to suit its surrounding environment." In my opinion, this is a better example of real-life evolution because Eevee changes its entire biology while Burmy only changes its cloak, which actually is not even part of its body at all. Striker212 (talk) 19:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

One species?

"Biological taxonomies of cellular and genetic structure have revealed that Pokémon are all actually a single species of life form and that the individual differences between each creature are actually subspecies."

The Electric Tale Of Pikachu is the only piece of media that ever says this.--MissDelibirda (talk) 07:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Nation references

I'd like to a place to collect all references to a "nation" in the Pokemon games. Perhaps even the anime as well (though most of the time it seems to be Jessie and James' speech). I'm ignoring all references to the "National" Pokedex.

GSC/HGSS, Radio Director

• Could refer to just Johto, or to other regions too

Please save the Radio Tower... And all the Pokémon nationwide!
<player>, thank you! Your courageous actions have saved Pokémon nationwide.

Corsola dex entries (Silver/FireRed, SoulSilver)

• Theoretically this refers to Pacifidlog Town, which would mean those games consider Hoenn to be a separate "nation".

In a south sea nation, the people live in communities that are built on groups of these Pokémon. 
In a south-sea nation, the people live in communities that are built on groups of these Pokémon. 

DPPt, Pokémon Fan Club Chairman

• This could refer to other regions as "nations", but it could also just refer to other places in Sinnoh that we don't see. (It's probably meant as a meta reference to past games. But in-universe, it's not strictly clear.)

Nationwide, there are other fan clubs, but we are number one!

Black, Cedric Juniper (dex eval)

• Could refer to multiple regions; but then, it's not exactly like he's telling you to catch them in all those regions, so maybe not

Nationally, there are more than 600 Pokémon! You'll have to be persistent and catch them at your own pace.

Black, The National Gymquirer

• This program only talks about Unova leaders

Jingle: "Woo hoo! All right! It's 'The National Gymquirer'!"

XY, Lumiose Press editor-in-chief

• Not really referring to any current regions (just here for the record)

In the southern part of the Kalos region, there seems to be a custom to revere Volcanion as a nation-building Pokémon. People seem to believe that a steam explosion caused by Volcanion created the plain where they live.

ORAS, Ritzy Ribbon Retail

• This could kinda go either way

You’d like a Gorgeous Royal Ribbon? You have good eyes. It’s handmade by a living national treasure from the Sinnoh region, and it is one of a kind. That will be $999,999, please.

SM/USUM, Poni Breaker Coast Swimmer Girls/TM94 and TM98 givers

• This could sorta go either way too

Yeah, we’re like national treasures back in the Kalos region because of our HM skills. ♪ But there’s no money to be made in making HMs. You can’t even sell them!

SV

• Again, doesn't refer to a current region (but it's here for the record)

Two hundred years later—or eight hundred years ago—the empire and its surrounding nations united into one entity. This was the formation of Paldea as we know it today.

Overall, the Corsola dex entries seem to be the most interesting use of "nation" in the games. If I've missed anything, please leave a comment. I mostly searched scripts, not "common" text files. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Move page

I added a terminology section now. If I'm not mistaken, it appears the term "Pokémon world" is not officially used very much in the game dialogue. This is more often referred to as "Earth" or "world of Pokémon" in the core series games.

I would suggest using the title "Earth". Alternatively, I wonder if "World of Pokémon" can work as a page title, or maybe it's a bit too long. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Hm. I feel this is one the cases where strictly core games should not dictate the page's title.

"Pokémon world" seems to be a concept inherently part of the lore, something that is not strictly tied to the games, nor that its origin lies there. There's even a song named after it, it's almost iconic.

Also, I guess most people would answer "Where does all the Pokémon action take place?" with the super natural "In the Pokémon world!", which at the same time also differentiates the Pokémon lore from any real world entities. "Earth" is neither something anyone would reasonably answer (imo), nor is it something that is associated with a fantasy franchise, as strictly part of its lore. Nescientist (talk) 09:57, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreeing with Nes on this. The term "Earth" isn't incorrect per se, but I don't think it's quite as useful as an article title. Landfish7 20:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Poképhilia

I think it's ridiculous how people are scared to go into any real detail on this particular topic. I thought this wiki was supposed to be an encyclopedia dedicated to archiving all relevant information when it comes to Pokemon. I think this counts as relevant.

(Misery Vex (talk) 23:32, 17 January 2024 (UTC))

Even if we did want to cover this subject, most of what you added is just speculation, which isn't what encyclopedias are for and isn't helpful to readers. -Minibug (talk) 23:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Exactly which part of this is considered speculation?

The exact history of Poképhilia has been left largely ambiguous and open to interpretation, however, throughout the series there have been notable clues or references to humans who had long ago had romantic and possibly even sexual relationships with Pokemon.

Most notable was the Sinnoh Folk Story 3, in which there was an excerpt of a supposed myth from long ago about humans and Pokemon once being allowed to be married.

"There once were Pokemon that became very close to humans.

There once were humans and Pokemon that ate together at the same table.

It was a time when there existed no differences to distinguish the two."

Some have even gone so far as to theorize that the reason why certain humans are capable of using abilities such as aura and, or telepathy is because they are descended from a previous union between humans and Pokemon.

It's currently unknown what the world's modern views on Poképhilia are. (Misery Vex (talk) 23:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC))

1.) The term "Poképhilia" is a fan term. 2.) Sinnoh Folk Story 3 does not state that humans and Pokémon once married, just that they used to coexist more seamlessly. 3.) The theory that humans gained the ability to use aura or telepathy from a previous union between humans and Pokémon requires a source, and even if there is an official source that states this, it would be more relevant to the Aura and Talking Pokémon pages. Additionally, "union" does not explicitly confirm that humans and Pokémon were married or had a particular kind of relationship. Furthermore, I don't necessarily think the info is super relevant or adds anything of value to articles. 4.) "It's currently unknown what the world's modern views on Poképhilia are." seems veiled and doesn't actually provide any useful info. Landfish7 12:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

The original Japanese version of Folk Story 3 does state that people and Pokémon used to get married, and that it was viewed as normal, as people and Pokémon were seen as the same. This is already stated in the Sinnoh myths article, and is of course a "myth", not necessarily a fact. Marriage also has a lot of potential meanings, and doesn't state anything specific about the relationships aside from that people and Pokémon may have once lived together as equals. Landfish7 12:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Also, the folk story is mentioned in the Culture section, and the reference to intermarriage is mentioned in the Human article, where I think it's more appropriately worded and placed. Landfish7 12:42, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

On a related note, I've moved a lot of information from this page to the Human article's section on Culture, where I feel specific details, such as the reference to human-Pokémon marriage, are more appropriate. Instead, this article merely summarizes the info that is expanded upon in the Human article. I hope this is sufficient. Landfish7 13:29, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

This is acceptable thank you. Looking at it now, I can sort of agree that most of what I wrote is largely unfounded, though I do think that saying "Poképhilia" is a fan term is clutching at straws. It wasn't that long ago that "Eeveelution" was considered a fan term before it got so popular that they decided to canonize it.

(Misery Vex (talk) 00:58, 19 January 2024 (UTC))