Talk:Helioptile (Pokémon)

Helioptile

Combination of Helios, meaning Sun, and Reptile. Articerile (talk) 12:44, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Because of the Helios in the name, I wonder if Helioptile will be able to learn grass-type moves. (Just speculation, of course.) Nuckles123 (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Based on a lizard & Name origins

On the page it says that "Erikiteru is based on a lizard," but I think it's actually based on a mongoose. For one, it only passing looks like a lizard, and looks much more mammalian. Secondly, it's name is "Erikiteru," which I believe to be a portmanteau of "Electric" and "Riki-Tiki-Tavi," Kipling's famous mongoose. Just my two cents.

--Zoraluigi (Talk) 17:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Really? Imo it's very lizard-like due to its body shape, tail, mouth, eyes, and nostrils, while the only things that makes it look only remotely like a mammal are its "ears". Then again, mongooses don't have ears like that.--電禅Den Zen 18:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

IMO it's a loose adaptation of a frilled lizard, with those thin appendages in place of the portentous frills (speculating it has more of those folded in). Eri might come from エリマキトカゲ erimaki tokage, frilled lizard, and going by the new move it comes with (Parabola Charge) its head appendages might somehow work like a parabolic antenna, which a frilled lizard would be easy to cross with.--Kaoz (talk) 18:32, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

If you ask me, I believe it to be partially based on the Spotted Salamander. It was recently discovered in 2010 that it is capable of absorbing sunlight and converting it as its own energy, similar to how solar panels work. (Yes I took this somewhat from Charmander, but that's not the point) I believe it to be based as a combination of both things. Rai Marshall (talk) 23:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

The name probably comes from "erimake tokage" and "elekiter".—urutapu (talk) 05:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Species

I can't edit, but it's species should be Generate Pokémon. (E9310103838 (talk) 03:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC))

No. "Hatsuden" (はつでん) is a noun, not a verb.--電禅Den Zen 09:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Name

This Pokémon's name isn't Erikiteru. It's Elikiteru. It says so everywhere. Same for Gōgōto. It isn't Gōgōto, its Gogoat. And the Karosu region is actually Karos. It doesn't have a u. --HJ13 (talk) 15:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Except they aren't. Just because Serebii and a bunch of other fansites call them that, it doesn't mean those are the official romanizations. We don't assume names here. And yes, it does have a "u" in it. That's how it's written in the original Japanese. Ataro (talk) 15:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

The English names have not come out yet, so we can't change anything. It's the same over at the Mewtwo talk page with everyone arguing about what to call the new form. Nuckles123 (talk) 19:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

This isn't about the English name. It's about how to spell the Japanese name. Ataro (talk) 19:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

This may be an outdated conversation now that English names have been revealed, but HJ13 doesn't seem to know anything about Japanese and the Romanization of such. He's disputing an L vs an R and a name ending with a vowel vs ending with a non-N consonant. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 17:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Typing

Should we mention something in the trivia section about Erikiteru's unique typing? Nuckles123 (talk) 21:26, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

We don't know whether its type combination will be unique or not. Drapion was the first Poison/Dark type revealed, but its typing was never unique because Stunky and Skuntank were introduced in the same generation.--電禅Den Zen 21:32, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks for the response. Nuckles123 (talk) 00:36, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Parabola Charge

Erikiteru was revealed to have a new move called Parabola Charge, which heals the user while damaging opponents. Should that be added? MasterZ (talk) 23:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

We're waiting to learn how and when the Pokemon learns the move. --Pokemaster97 23:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Type effectiveness

We know its type, and the types of most of the other new Pokemon, why not put their type effectiveness on their pages? KPF 17:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Because they could tweak the weaknesses/resistances/immunities of some types. For example: what if Electric types become weak against Dragon types in Gen IV? --Reli★ジーランス? 17:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Also the ability is unknown, we can't be sure whether it would immune to some types or so on. Plus a new type is possible, so it wouldn't be wise do the chart until we have information about these things. Արիանո 17:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I reckon that's true, guess that possibility just slipped my mind. KPF 19:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Categories

Can someone explain why Helioptile is in the Single type category rather than dual type, and not in a Normal type category? Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 17:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. It was because it was missing typen=2 | from the infobox. If I knew how, I would change it so that the category is determined on whether there is the type2= | parameter or not.--電禅Den Zen 17:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Physiology

Helioptile is a small, lizard-like Pokemon that is mostly pale yellow. Its feet and tail tip are black, as is the top of its head. It has two frills hanging from the sides of its head that are black with yellow tips. The frills can stiffen and unfold. It has large eyes with blue irises and white pupils, and a mouth that appears curved into a smile, with two small nostrils above it. It has a triangle-shaped yellow patch between its eyes.

It's my first time writing one, so it may be a little rough. Editing is appreciated. Zakitano (talk) 22:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

In the trailer It frills up the "folds" on its head..

Is it necessary to put Filled-necked lizard as its origin except the frills are on its head instead? --Antlionerd (talk) 22:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I think it's obvious it's based on a frilled lizard, but noting that the frills are on its head doesn't seem necessary, unless we're also going to note on Xerneas's page that most deer don't have jeweled antlers, or on Victreebel's page that pitcher plants don't have eyes. Zakitano (talk) 22:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I guess your right with that unnecessary mention to its origin lol --Antlionerd (talk) 23:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

It does seem to be based on a Frilled Lizard. It's "Ears" widen when it attacks in the gameplay trailer. --Hi, I'm Amigopen! 10:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Diet

Helioptile photosynthesizes and therefore does not need to eat, however, it is still capable of eating. (O++O) Dralcax (talk) 20:12, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Urm... where was that mentioned anywhere? ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 20:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

It's mentioned on the official XY website. --Reli★ジーランス? 21:24, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

That's weird. I would expect Helioptile to be a grass-type if that were true. Nuckles123 (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

It is true, like it or not. Although the word "photosynthesis" isn't actually used, the website specifically states that: "Helioptile charges itself by bathing in the light of the sun, providing it with enough energy that it doesn't need to eat." Me, Hurray! (talk) 21:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

So more like an organic solar cell than a plant. Nuckles123 (talk) 05:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Very apt comparison. Perhaps that's what it's conceptually (as opposed to physically) based on. Me, Hurray! (talk) 13:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The answer is probably going to be no, but should this solar cell theory be put on the article? Nuckles123 (talk) 08:53, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Ken Sugimori

Okay, I wasn't sure where to ask this, but I though here was suitable.... Whenever a new Pokemon is released, as is the case with the 4 new Pokemon recently released, we get official artwork from them. But how do we know definitely that the artwork is always by Sugimori? Of course, it is his art style, but that's not so hard to mimic for a professional... So how do we know? --Phoenixon (talk) 10:54, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, there may be some professionals that could mimic that art style well, but do we even know that there are people in Gamefreak's art team that could 100% mimic the art style other than sugimori himself? I think not. And since we know that he is still alive and is under Gamefreak's belt of art development, it is most likely that the final production art of the pokemon is done by him.--Antlionerd (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Isn't it supposed to be Generating or Generator?

I can't edit the article(or any of the Gen 6 mons), and "Generation" as its species just sounds silly.--Antlionerd (talk) 23:14, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Nope. はつでん hatsuden translates as 'generation', as in the 'process of making'. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 00:03, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Normal Seconday Type Trivia

Maybe the trivia should be changed to Helioptile is the first Pokémon revealed to have Normal-type as a secondary typing. Some other Pokémon may come before it in the Pokédex with Normal type as its secondary typing. Mokes1995 20:24, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

There's not really any reason to change it at this time. If that becomes the case later though, we'd definitely re-word it. --Pokemaster97 20:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Not too long ago we were introduced to another Pokémon with a secondary Normal type: Litleo, who's Fire/Normal. Since dex numbers are not known for either yet, saying that Helioptile is the first revealed to have a secondary Normal type will be accurate regardless of dex number. It's best to wait until dex numbers are revealed, in my opinion. Berrenta (talk) 13:59, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, Litleo cannot become "[...] the first Pokémon revealed to have Normal-type as a secondary typing" by its Pokédex Number since Helioptile was revealed first. (Though, Litleo can be the first Pokémon by Pokédex Number and any wording should be careful to avoid being incorrect due to F-00.) --Super goku (talk) 02:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Korean name for Helioptile

Its Korean name is 목도리키텔 Mokdorikitel. -- Nick15 (talk) 17:46, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

• 목도리 mokdori is from 목도리도마뱀 mokdori'domabaem, the frilled-neck lizard
• 리키텔 rikitel is from 에리키텔 erikitel, the elikiter -- Nick15 (talk) 19:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Physics.

I don't know if this is unusual. But could the origin or trivia stat that Helioptile is partially Normal-Type because of its relation with physics? It is based on the concept of a solar panel, a device that makes (electrical) energy out of light. And light and other physics are part of the Normal-Type (Giga Impact, Flash, Hyper Voice). Nickvang (talk) 14:58, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

While that's a good observation, I think we'll have to wait until more information is released before making that connection. If Helioptile gets an Evolution that makes the solar panel reference explicit, I'd consider putting this under Trivia -- so long as more experienced editors are in agreement that Giga Impact, Flash, Hyper Voice, etc. represent the physical mechanics behind light and sound, and that the Normal type is more connected to physics than other types. Arpha (talk) 20:03, 21 September 2013 (UTC)