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Typebattle template title "Resist" is mathematically inaccurate with current values.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Template:Typebattle

Saying resist is mathematically incorrect if you keep the numbers as multiplication values.

Its valid for the 1/2x part since when you resist half the damage you take the other half.

However you are not resisting 2x the damage. That would be the same as resisting 200% of the attack. Resisting 100% or more would result in taking no damage at all. Resisting 0% would mean that you are resisting no damage and therefore taking 100% of the initial amount.

If you want to stick with the values being multipliers to the original attack i would recommend you to use another word like multiplyer, power or effectiveness.

The protected source is here : http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Typebattle&action=edit

DavidGuld 15:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

You're right, resist is wrong there. I changed it to power so it matched the other half of the template. Thanks for pointing it out. Werdnae (talk) 21:06, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

If you're not busy

Is it okay to use the HP bar on my talk page? Patty Man 22:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Werdnae (talk) 22:55, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to create one on my own page. Patty Man 23:05, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Here

Here and here. One says Pokémon Yellow, while another says In Ruby or In Sapphire, etc. Which would be the most correct?----DJ Wolfy 12:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Thing is, James has only appeared in Pokémon Yellow, where as Team Aqua has appeared in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald. So in this case, it's fine the way it is.--Force Fire 12:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

No, I meant as a general thing. Not specifically referring to these articles.----DJ Wolfy 12:56, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Also here, there 3 examples.----DJ Wolfy 13:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

As I said when you last brought it up: "I'd say they don't all need to be the same. It depends more on the layout and phrasing of the sections." Werdnae (talk) 21:57, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I know what you said. That's why I ask how exactly it depends and I thought I should give you some examples.----DJ Wolfy 21:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind if we leave this until after B2W2? I'm kinda busy with that and non-Bulba stuff just at the moment, so I don't really have time to look into everything properly and therefore give a quality answer. Werdnae (talk) 00:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Sure, why not. Just tell me when to remind you of it.----DJ Wolfy 11:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

possible multiple accounts

DerangedChillen and DementedChillen look like they could be the same user. G 50 09:41, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Yep, you're right. Thanks for letting me know. Werdnae (talk) 10:05, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

You're Welcome. G 50 10:05, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

BW parameter

I changed it to the GenV parameter because when I previewed it with the BW one, it gave me a tiny dot for no reason. Patty Man 22:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Clear your cache. The parameter was just added to the template, looks like you were still getting a cached version. Werdnae (talk) 22:56, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Entries

You probably can't translate them, but maybe you can write them? It took me few minutes just to get characters of location's Japanese name >_> ...so these will take much longer, especially as there is three - Sewaddle, Mareep and Flaaffy. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 07:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Not a clue, sorry. Werdnae (talk) 07:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I do not ask to translate them, just to write them down to articles, as it is too much of pain for me. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 07:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. I don't know how to type them either. Werdnae (talk) 07:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

WarlordInfoBox Template

With Oichi and Nobunga being brother and sister in the Pokémon Conquest game, would it be possible to have relatives added to the template? G 50 05:27, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I was unsure whether to add that or leave it for the body. I've added it to the template, but it'll only show up if the "Relatives" parameter is set. Werdnae (talk) 05:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

okay G 50 05:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Conquest moves

Can Conquest be added to (not sure of the name) template to be able to add a move description to the Pokémon pages? G 50 04:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Movedescentry? If so, done. Set the first parameter to "Conquest". Werdnae (talk) 04:46, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Is it also possible for you to make it so I can add Conquest next to BW? A lot of the moves have the same description as the BW ones. --It's Funktastic~! (talk) 05:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

BWConquest. Werdnae (talk) 05:17, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I have found out that that different Pokémon of the same species can have different moves (Zebstrika is all I know so far) when they are linked. Can ConquestMove be changed to ConquestMove1 and ConquestMove2 so the 2nd move can be added? G 50 02:55, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Looking at the template, It's possible to add multiple moves to the cell using the one parameter, so just do that for now. If it's very common, we may want to change the layout, so if you notice any more can you let me know? Thanks. Werdnae (talk) 03:41, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay G 50 03:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Dispute

Jo The Marten And I Are Having An Argument. Are People Allowed To Put Pokemon Templates On Mystery Dungeon Pages? Badjb10 (talk) 02:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Pokemon templates should only be used like that where there is something special about the Pokemon (Abnormal ability, abnormal moveset, etc.). There is absolutely nothing different between that Drowzee and any other wild level 12 Drowzee. It is therefore unnecessary to provide that extra information. The entry in the list is enough. Werdnae (talk) 04:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

In That Case, What Is The Point Of The Templates On Amp Plains tribes, The Pokemon On The Templates There Are No Different Then Any Other Of Their Species And Level. Badjb10 (talk) 04:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Because that's not a location article. It doesn't have a list. Werdnae (talk) 05:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

It Shouldn't Matter That It's A Location Page. The Point Of Pages Like That Are To Make It Easy For Players To Gather Information From. Badjb10 (talk) 05:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

.Drowzee (Explorers of Time, Darkness, and Sky) That page is about Drowzee. As such, it has the full description, including the template. Mt. Bristle is about the location, and as such has to provide information on many Pokemon. Thus the information given on each is less so that the page is not bogged down with information which is, quite frankly, unnecessary. Werdnae (talk) 05:29, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, It Was A Common Mistake That I Made, Especially Since There Was No Link To Drowzee (Explorers of Time, Darkness, and Sky) On Mt. Bristle. - unsigned comment from Badjb10 (talk • contribs)

Impossible

This user has behaved in an intimidating and harassing way. Please perform the appropriate action for him/her.--Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round... (talk) 23:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

This has been handled. Werdnae (talk) 02:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Re:Templates

no problem, i'll stop.Purrloin ! Meow!!! 22:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:User Want

Hey, I see you were the last one to edit the {{User Want}} template. Since that page is protected, could you please add B2W2 to the code? TheOriginalOne 11:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Done. Werdnae (talk) 19:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if you noticed it... there's a problem with the B2 part: there's not enought contrast between the letters and the background. I could hardly see the letters when I tested it. TheOriginalOne 20:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed adding it to one part. is that better? Werdnae (talk) 21:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

What have you done? I haven't noticed any change. The contrast is the same. Just change the background to black, please. TheOriginalOne 16:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I missed another one. Sorry about that, it's fixed properly now. Werdnae (talk) 20:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

It's fixed now ty very much! TheOriginalOne 20:19, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Protection

Hey, could you please protect this usertag: {{User:TheOriginalOne/User un}}? TheOriginalOne 16:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I won't, simply beacuse it's in your userspace, so you need to take care of it. You can't if it gets protected. Werdnae (talk) 19:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Now, could you please protect {{Template|Unown}}? TheOriginalOne 19:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

You need to get permission from an admin to create new templates. In this case, the template takes almost as long to type as the code it replaces, so it is not worth having as a template. I should note that a template at that exact name with that exact function was deleted in december 2010 for precisely that reason. Pay attention to the warnings that are displayed when you are editing a page - the wiki should have told you that it had been deleted before and given the deletion log to explain why it was deleted. Werdnae (talk) 20:40, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, I received the strike right after this new message (I tought that the permission rule was just for the usertags). They also told me that there was another one with precisely that function, {{uwr}}. About that, since that template is protected, could you please make non-capital letters valid for it?

About the warning... the delete reason was not enought clear for me; I didn't understand why. TheOriginalOne 16:22, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Regarding a Recently Created Page

Hey. You seem to be the only staff member on at the moment, so I wanted to bring this to your attention. I'm not sure how to move it into Alexsummer's userspace myself, and I don't want to mess anything up. Thanks! Crystal Talian 03:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Moved. You just move the page, select "User" from the namespace dropdown and put their username at the start followed by a slash. Werdnae (talk) 03:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Youtubevid

Hi, this problem has been bothering me since the very beggining of it... you know, that one with the youtubevid template, because it doesn't work since some months ago (yeah, when I try to preview with the old code, or even see an old version, the browser gives me an error). Now, I was wondering, do you know when it's going to be fixed, or have you even discovered what's the problem? TheOriginalOne 19:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

A recent Mediawiki upgrade broke the addon. We're looking into a replacement. Werdnae (talk) 21:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

At least it's going to be recovered... but do you have any info about when is it going to happen? TheOriginalOne 16:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

AG132 Trainer's Choice Error

1. It is not an assumption. I have seen every single episode with a Trainer's Choice, and every single one that asked "Which would be most effective against..?" or "Which Pokémon has the advantage?", it always meant types. Always. 2. If it's "still an error," why, pray tell, did you delete it? 3. You should tell that to Dennou Zenshi. "Didn't I just remove it?" he/she says, as if he/she is infallible. 4. I go to Talk pages to discuss something questionable. This is not questionable. It's quite obvious that Kirlia is being mistaken for a Grass-type. You wanna talk about assumption? Ask Dennou why he/she thinks that this TC could possibly be about Arcanine's stats and learnset. Really?! That is laughably baseless. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk) 11:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

It's not obvious at all that they mistook Kirlia for a Grass-type, since M06 and AG109 made it clear that Kirlia is a Psychic-type. On the other hand, it is obvious that the "legendary" Arcanine is better than Kirlia, who is weaker than many unevolved Pokémon. We can't assume that they made a mistake when there's a legitimate reason for their answer.--電禅Den Zen 12:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

The anime is known to make errors in areas in which it has been correct before. Electric affects Ground, then it doesn't, then it does on Rhydon's horn, then it doesn't, then it does in Rhydon's mouth, then it doesn't, etc. If you still honestly believe that this TC subtly refers to stats, unlike every other TC of its kind, then go ahead and edit Trainer's Choice's sections to pick your correct choice. There are many errors that end up being ties, with no Pokémon having an advantage over the stated one. Go ahead and compare every Pokémon's stats to every stated Pokémon's stats and see which is the "correct" one in every single erroneous TC. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk) 15:30, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead and look at Ag053's error. Combusken is stated as having an advantage over Kirlia. Now why would the writers do that, hm? Combusken is a mid-stage Pokémon like Kirlia and is roughly as strong, stat-wise. Maybe... they think Kirlia's a Grass-type?! --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk)

My apologies, I should have only removed half of the point. Unless we can actually confirm from someone at 4kids that Kirlia was mistaken for a grass type, that part is an assumption as should not go on the page. It should simply state that the answer is incorrect based on types. Nothing else. Werdnae (talk) 20:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I still think that it's obvious, but fair enough. We include the error, exclude the assumption. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk) 01:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

While previous advantage based Trainer's Choice questions were about type advantages, nothing specifically demands that the AG132 question followed suit. You're making the assumption, based only on the questions of previous episodes, that this question must be in error. If it's not concrete in either direction, we should not be noting something that may or may not be true. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 02:23, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Ransei facility template.

I've been putting together a template for the kingdoms of Ransei that would list the Pokémon that appear in their various facilities. I almost have it completed, but there is a strange occurence that's causing the last check mark to appear elevated in a sort of way. Since you worked on the templates I based mine on, I was wondering if you had a solution? Thanks in advance. – Chosen of Mana 21:57, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

The line break after the final check mark is included in the cell. You need to put the noinclude (or in this case the opening comment tag) on the same line as the last check mark, then if you want line breaks they go inside that. Werdnae (talk) 02:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

FRLG sprites

Just saying that there are 3 extra, one for each final form starter (credits-exclusive). You might wanna include it in the sprite template (later or now, that's your choice), if you're still working on it. And yes, the 2nd frame is supposed to be blink-and-you'll-miss-it. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Help meh?

Well, this is a bummer. I can't seem to edit my userpage, let alone start one. I think I made like 4-5 contrbutions to the wiki. What now? ★☆Togetic45☆★

Keep editing the mainspace, you'll get to soon. Werdnae (talk) 19:51, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

If bumps are prohibited...

...then how are abandoned discussions to be resolved? No one came to an agreement on the talk page. For over a month. Reverting edits to suppress the issue shouldn't even be allowed. BNK^Talk 05:36, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I have asked a few other staff members who weren't involved in the discussion to take a look at it and decide. And in future, the best thing to do is to either try and add something to the discussion or to ask a staff member directly. 'bumping' is generally an inefficient way of getting attention for something. Werdnae (talk) 06:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I asked Dennou Zenshi but…

MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage is causing Special:Disambiguations to not work, because none of those templates are linked. Can you fix it? --Abcboy (talk) 18:36, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I made a null edit to the mediawiki page, it should start working soon as the server cache clears. Werdnae (talk) 19:50, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

It's not working… According to the Special:Disambiguations page, they need to be linked. --Abcboy (talk) 03:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Added links. Also remeoved two that were deleted in 2008. Werdnae (talk) 05:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Archives Lockdown

I've got an image I've been trying to upload for the new Pokémon dolls for the Décor article, but the lockdown is still in effect on the archives, yet I see lots of daily updates by Jr Admins and above. When will the lockdown be rescinded? ♪Pyrii♫ ^{talk • contrib} 04:21, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

How's fifteen minutes ago sound? Just be aware it may be closed again if the server can't cope with the extra load. Werdnae (talk) 04:49, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like music to my ears, thanks, now if only the image would show without me having to edit the page. Oh well, anything to increase my edit count XD ♪Pyrii♫ ^{talk • contrib} 12:48, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

A question about my edit to Template:16TeamBracket

Hello, Werdnae. I made an update to the 16 Team Bracket template a bit ago for a few things. Mainly it was to make the tables be rounded per Bulbapedia style. While it looks good in concept and on most articles; I have seen a few pages where the template gets a bit streched out. Most of the stretching is limited to the 2009 World Championships and the 2010 World Championships. I wanted to know if it was alright or if my edit should be reverted for the moment. --Super goku (talk) 04:52, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

It looks okay to me, but please be careful when editing templates. Especially at the moment when traffic is high due to B2W2, as editing even moderately used templates puts a big strain on the server. I'd prefer that you test it by making a test copy of the template in your userspace with the changes you want to make, before you edit the template. Werdnae (talk) 07:16, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Alright then. I think it will be better if I hold off on editing the other related templates. I will make sure to test it in the userspace next time as well. Thank you for checking. :) --Super goku (talk) 18:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Translation templates?

Hi, let me ask you the following: are the Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis wikis close enought for this template to be valid, and so that you could authorize me to create it on the template mainspace? TheOriginalOne 19:54, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Where would it be used? Usually if they've got an article and we don't it's because we've decided that we either don't want the article, or don't want the article yet. Werdnae (talk) 23:04, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

... and it's very rare for an article to be based on a wikipedia one: you could easily say that it's because you normaly don't want that article (yet), specialy when we're talking about a wiki that's too much general on those matters. So why does {{WikipediaBased}} exist, when there are certain wikis from our partnership that sometimes write something notable before Bulbapedia? TheOriginalOne 23:13, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

The WikipediaBased template is an overhang from when Bulbapedia was a wee infant with a userbase of a couple of hundred people. We're bigger than that now, and in general that template just shouldn't be used on any new articles.

In regards to other wikis having articles on "notable" stuff before we do, that's because each wiki has its own independent notability and rules system. In particular, we have a "Wait until it airs" rule for the anime and most, if not all, of our partners don't. We're a bigger, more active wiki and so we have higher standards that must be met before we start the articles. Werdnae (talk) 23:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Wp template: update to support (and strictly use) HTTPS

See this. What do you think of the suggestion? I'm not sure if this discussion topic should be kept on your talk page or at the template's talk page, by the way. SatoMew 18:34, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Template

I just noticed that I forgot to add typen= function to the GlitchSpirteBox template. It will just display a Unknown color background if there is no type2=. I tried to get it to work but no no avail. Any tips?--×Rsrdaman× 19:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Inside parameters you can't use {{!}}. It must be a pipe, because the way that template hides the pipe from parser fuctions such as switches means it also hides them from templates and parameters. {{!}} should only be used to replace the pipes in table coding. Werdnae (talk) 19:57, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, ok... I finally got it to work now. Thanks again. --×Rsrdaman× 09:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Random questions

Are we allowed to edit other user's pages to remove a nonexisting template or a non-existing page?
1. If not, are we allowed to alert the user?
Would it be a good idea to implement the #ifexist: function into {{Red link}}?

Thank you for your time. --Abcboy (talk) 18:23, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, provided that's all you do.
I don't think that's a good idea. Firstly because the template is extremely high use and any edit is likely to crash the wiki. Second, because it's okay for pages we actually want to be on the wanted pages list, so anything that's definitely going to get a page shouldn't use the template. Thirdly because ifexists are expensive functions and adding that to the template would significantly increase the load that each use of the template puts on the server. Werdnae (talk) 18:43, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Zinzolin and Rosa link to Template:Textcolor. Should it exist, or is something wrong? --Abcboy (talk) 18:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

It's the Pokemon templates. If only some of the moves are known or a Pokemon only knows 1-3 moves, the parameters for the remaining moves must be removed, not just blanked. If they're blank, the template sees that they're there, and so doesn't use the defaults. Werdnae (talk) 19:56, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Archives stuff

As I'm working on the Glitchdex, a common problem I come across in incorrectly named images, or duplicates. Currently there are a lot of them and what I've been doing (just putting up {{Delete}} or {{move}} templates) is taking a lot of time and just making the current admins workload more. I really hate to ask, but as I read on the Archives Staff page, it said high-ups can bestow temporary admin power. So is there any way I can get that to move/delete all of these files?--×Rsrdaman× 00:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Not currently. Due to the recent server move and game releases the Archives are actually a little unstable for the time being. Werdnae (talk) 02:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I've moved the images for you Rsrdaman. --Pokemaster 97 02:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Navigation templates

In many navigation templates, I see the " • ", but in others I see " | ". Should I change them to one way or another, or just let it be? --Abcboy (talk) 01:58, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Just let it be. Different templates call for different things. Werdnae (talk) 02:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

New Tournament infobox

How does this look? --Abcboy (talk) 22:21, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Firsly, it needs to be roundy to match our style. I know you've based it on the game screen, but it still should be roundy because otherwise it looks out of place. Also because following the game design that strictly means that if it gets redesigned in future games, the template looks bad. They're 'inspired' by the game design, rather than emulating it.

Secondly, the align tags need to be replaced. Content alignment (i.e. text and images) can be done with the "text-align" style (i.e. style="text-align:left/right/center;"), while table alignment can be done with the float style for left or right (i.e. style="float:left/right;") or the margin style for centering (i.e. style="margin:auto;"). This is important because the align tags are deprecated and only currently working on a backwards-compatability setup which could stop working at any time.

Other than those two minor things, nice work on the template. It's a nice code setup. Just don't be afraid to mess around with the styles from the game. Werdnae (talk) 23:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

How does it look now? I just wrapped that splash of green around the top, removed several of the old dividers leaving only one, and made it roundier! It doesn't really conform to the Bulbapedia style, but I think it looks pretty good. --Abcboy (talk) 00:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Much better. The code's good and the design's good. I'm going to need to discuss it with a few other staff and get back to you just for the content, because I don't know that much about the PWT. Werdnae (talk) 02:14, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

This is something I want to do to the Berry pages, along with moving the growth template to the growth section. Doing this would extremely reduce the size of the infobox. I need a little bit of help on the Generation IV one though... --Abcboy (talk) 00:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Language support templates

I was looking at Wikipedia and they have some nice language support templates such as Template:Nihongo, Template:Korean and Template:Zh. The Japanese one is particularly useful as it renders kanji properly. I was thinking on adding them to Bulbapedia but would like to know the staff's opinion on them. If they are accepted, I would ask Wikipedia for permission of usage of the templates here (please note that I do not have an account there) and try them out in my sandbox here first. What do you think? SatoMew 13:17, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, we already use the same code that those templates use to display the characters. It's an html attribute, lang="ja" ("ja" is replaced with "ko" or "zh" for the latter two templates). The reason that ours may appear distorted is that, depending on where they are used, the characters are subsequently bolded and/or reduced in size. I have noticed that it becomes very difficult to read in templates where both are done. In short, I don't think we need the template as we (should) already use the relevant code that it contains. If there's somewhere the language code isn't used, it most certainly should be, and you're welcome to add it: <span lang="ja">Kanji goes here</span> Werdnae (talk) 18:35, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, correction, it appears that we're certainly not using that code everywhere. I know for certain that some templates do. Werdnae (talk) 18:36, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't like them solely for the proper rendering of kanji. It's also because the templates help to standardize the way the Japanese/Korean/Chinese names should appear on articles. They also have the parameters lead=yes and lead=no, which allows the reader to know which written non-English language is he/she reading, with that element being present in the first instance of the language only. It also helps in situations when there's no English equivalent to the Japanese/Korean/Chinese name, allowing the text to appear differently ordered to accomodate the situation. SatoMew 19:45, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm still not sure it's necessary. The usage of Japanese text is pretty much standardised already, with an identification. (i.e. the opening lines of the articles.) I can see where you're coming from, I just don't know if we need it, when things are hardcoded in a relatively (I would hope) similar manner. Werdnae (talk) 21:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, I understand your point of view but please reconsider. It may be awkward at first but these specific templates help once we get used to them. At least, that's how I feel about them. SatoMew 14:27, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Infobox game update

I've tweaked and added some parameters to it as per feedback on the template's talk page as well as from my own ideas. Check the modified template here and some tests with it here. Basically, I did the following:

Changed info in Basic info to information to be more professional and encyclopedic;
Changed OFLC to ACB in the Ratings since the ratings were of the ACB, which was previously called OFLC, and also due to there being confusion over the independent OFLC from New Zealand. Furthermore, the OFLC from New Zealand is irrelevant as the Pokémon games released there are under control of Nintendo of Australia, the subsidiary of Nintendo for both Australia and New Zealand. Thus, the ratings for the games in these two countries are as per the ACB;
Added the parameter for the OSK rating, which is the German rating system and is applicable to the Pokémon games;
Added parameters to include the translations of Japanese names under the Japanese name, in smaller text (same size as Japanese text);
Added other essential parameters about the games;
Renamed various parameters, rendering the previous names obsolete and current usage of the template broken;
Added "N/A" as fallback text for everything, for the sake of simplicity, consistency and to avoid showing the parameters themselves if there is a need to fallback to them.

Either way, wherever the template is used, those applications of it have to be updated. Still, what do you think? I believe it makes the template more accurate and complete now. SatoMew 20:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I don't suppose you'd be able to replace the align tags as described a couple of sections up? Werdnae (talk) 21:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I've replaced the align tags as you suggested, since they are deprecated. I have also changed the template's default colors to match Bulbapedia (damn, that black and white sure were not that good-looking) and streamlined the code, with suggestions and help from Abcboy (see here).

Thanks, nice work. I pulled out a few of them that were carried over redundant tags from the old template (and a few due to minor changes in what the tags cover) and then put it into use. Werdnae (talk) 20:07, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you liked it. But please protect the template page! I'm sure it was an oversight. SatoMew 20:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the bother

Who do we talk to these days about checking new user IP's? Since I haven't been around much lately, I'm not sure which admin usually does what now. R.A. Hunter Blade 15:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Anyone at Admin level or above can check IPs. There's not really one designated person who does it. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ ♥ 16:46, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Okay. I noticed a pattern in a lot of new usernames from the past few days, and as I'm going down the list, I've found about 70 from the past 8 days... didn't realize it went on this far. Names like AldocrjkpohdhrArvidson, DelmarlkcbffxubiDess, AdriansseedyjwjnRosander, YasukokehplwkzlmCurren, etc. It might not be worth trying to go through and block all of the names if there end up being a couple hundred of them, but I felt it needed to be brought up if it wasn't already known. It looks like most of them are getting ignored by people welcoming users, so I'm not the only one who's noticed. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

And now that I'm looking around a lot more, I see that other people have already mentioned it to a couple of you. Whoops. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:45, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Looking at the names, they're almost certainly spambots. Fortunately, most spambots try to create pages or userpages, and so are foiled by our autoconfirm requirements. Werdnae (talk) 20:07, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

LevelV template.

Could you do that for other generations? Because movesets liked to change also in other generations. Some, like Mewtwo's or Medicham's could use that for Generation III. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 10:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe they already drafted somewhere, it's just a matter of getting them cleared by everyone and implementing them, and since I haven't had time I haven't pushed the matter. --Spriteit (talk) 10:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Here's my initial draft from a while back. I haven't had the time to complete it. If I'm remembering correctly, I also came across something that was going to be an issue for that template, but I don't recall exactly what that was. I know there were several possible solutions, and I think Kogoro built another prototype. Long story short, we're working on it, but it has come across a few issues, along with not being a priority. Werdnae (talk) 19:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I felt liked doing it. I borrowed your template, copied onto userpage the header from mainspace and modified it, and this is result (well, obviously that "Header." text will be removed). Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC) PS. And.... done, I think. You might want to check the templates if there is something to correct (still not sure if use RGB and Y or RB and Y in Generation I template), though. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Wiki code

You seem to be the correct person to ask...

On anime pokemon move templates such as this:

Poison Gas was used in the dub only. In the original Japanese version, Ash just said Muk's name, Betbeton.

I tried to to take the note at the bottom and put it into the actual template, using tt|*| next to Poison Gas, in order to make it look neater howevr it comes out like this

is their anyway the template can be changed so that we can put the tt|*| inside it? Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 16:26, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Adding a tooltip onto a parameter which autolinks will never work like that, because it's inside the link. The template needs the notes to be in parameter 4, which is alternate text and so can handle the tooltip template.

Also, if a proposed usage of a template is broken, please don't save it as-is. Saving a broken template usage is likely to create other problems. Instead, put it inside comment tags, and people that want to see the problem can remove them and preview. Werdnae (talk) 09:14, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Magnagate

What do you think of this? I can't really think of a way to compress it further. Also, congrats on your promotion. --Abcboy (talk) 03:00, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. And I'd suggest adding a column to the template for floors. I'd imagine that, especially in the larger dungeons, the available items might change depending on how far into them you are. I know that's the case for the other MD games. Werdnae (talk) 08:26, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I've added the needed parameter. Perhaps the template could be used on all dungeons instead of just Magnagate ones. Also, your page needs a bit of updating and protection. --Abcboy (talk) 02:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I'd prefer the floor parameter to display all the time. Otherwise it's unclear whether it is on all the floors or we just don't know the floors. The second line of the footer is a bit of a cop-out in that regard - either we know, or we don't. "seems" doesn't fit. Agreed that it would be on all the dungeons. I also think that we'd be better off including Poke in a row of the table, rather than a footnote. Werdnae (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Does Pokédex for iOS deserve an article? It's been out for a month in Japan, and was recently released in the US and Europe. No idea about Australia and New Zaeland though. --Abcboy (talk) 05:05, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

As an official app, I would say yes. Also, as you may have noticed, I moved that template. Nice work on it, it's simple but effective. Werdnae (talk) 19:37, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Because

You've deserved this. A sincere congratulations to you, my fellow Kiwi. If you need a hand with anything, let me know. I've got some spare time these days. (Except for the rest of this week coz I'm going to Wellington. You should totally skip town and come join me. It'll be rad.) —darklordtrom 10:36, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks trom. Have fun in Wellywood. Werdnae (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Congrats, my friend!

Well, since I can't see a section on here for this, I figured I would be the one to officially start one. Congratulations on the well-deserved and well-earned promotion to EiC. As one of the people on here who knew you way back when you were a Jr. Admin., I can say that I can't think of anyone else who has put as much hard work into the 'pedia, or who I would rather have in the job. You have been a kind and helpful mentor to many people on here (including me), so I just wanted to say thank you for that. Your leadership skills and dedication are what have brought you thus far, and I look forward to seeing how the 'pedia prospers under your guidance. Although I do not get the chance to edit as much as I would like to nowadays (business and responsibilities IRL), know that I have always been, and will always be, your friend. Should you need anything, you have but to ask. --ジェダイナイトディーティーブイ 19:45, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Werdnae (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Conquest

Could you add more information to the page Pokémon Conquest and related articles, please. Also, there isn't much information on Pokémon pages about the kingdoms where you can find them and I've seen a few pages conflict with one another. In the Sneasel page, it says Sneasel can be found in Nixtorm, but in the Nixtorm page, Sneasel isn't mentioned at all. - unsigned comment from Plusleminun311312 (talk • contribs)

Bulbapedia is a wiki, information is added by many of our users, not just staff. I don't have the info you're looking for in order to add it. Werdnae (talk) 08:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Image thing

Hey Werdnae, sorry to bother you but this is bugging me, long story short whenever I try to view or use a:File:PMBW01.png on an article (such as PMBW01), it shows a different image that used to be at that name, but was moved. I tried in different browsers, different computers, I tried clearing the cache, it's still messed up. Can you figure out why it's broken for me :( thanks!!! (hope you understand what I mean and I don't look silly XD) --ZestyCactus 22:37, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

It looks like it's okay to me. I'm guesing that it just took a little time until the CDN synced the images. It usually happens quickly, but depending on load may take closer to 24 hours. Werdnae (talk)

That is so weird. Here's how it looks to me: [1] --ZestyCactus 05:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

It's the same for me, seems the CDN didn't properly update for all regions. It will be fixed soon. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 05:09, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Ah, a regional thing. IIRC that has happened once or twice before, where updates on one or more servers are delayed relative to the others. Thanks for taking care of it Kogsie. Werdnae (talk) 08:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, cool. Thank you both :) --ZestyCactus 02:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Just so y'all know, it's fixed for me :D --ZestyCactus 02:55, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

B2W2 autoconfirmed protection

It's been several months since B2W2 came out, and several B2W2 articles (Strange House‎, Relic Passage‎, Clay Tunnel‎, Cave of Being, and Pledge Grove) are still protected from non-autoconfirmed users. Several B2W2 redirects (Banjirou‎, Heart Cave‎, Relic Path, Stranger House‎, Clay Road‎, and Oath Woods‎) are also still protected from non-autoconfirmed users. Were they forgotten? --Abcboy (talk) 02:35, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it. I'd assumed that all the B2W2 protections were set to expire shortly after release, but looks like a few were set to infinite length by mistake. Werdnae (talk) 08:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

King of Almia page

Is there anybody on Project Sidegames who is watching the "King of Almia and the Three Princes" page? There are about three unanswered questions on the talk page. Aggron989 (talk) 23:35, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

New Idea

Hey, I was wondering if I could talk to you about adding a relationship section to the prominent characters of the series. --Firered16 (talk) 04:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Werdnae's away at the moment, but he gave me permission to respond to you in his stead. We feel relationship sections are not needed on character articles, as more than likely it will only lead to problems because of Shipping. Also, relatives are already mentioned in the infobox on articles. If you'd like to go in-depth about interactions between characters, then your attention is better suited for the shipping articles. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ ♥ 04:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

That wasn't what I meant. What I'm trying to suggest is adding short summaries of some of the characters interactions, and for the shippings we'd just leave a link. It'd probably be easier if I showed you an example, so with your permission can I do it on Iris or Trip? --Firered16 (talk) 15:30, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

That kind of information should be worked into the "Character" section, as their interactions with other people are a significant part of their character. It shouldn't need to go overly specific, just their general behaviour towards other people and anything markedly different. Looking at Trip's page, it appears this is already the case: specifically the second and fourth paragraphs of the Character section. Shippings should not be included there unless they are specifically stated in canon. Werdnae (talk) 18:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Your kinda misinterpreting what I'm trying to say. I'm referring to interactions that don't have any shippings, like with Iris and Cynthia or Georgia and Burgundy. I'll show you what I mean if you let me try it for Iris. --Firered16 (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I know what you're meaning. What I'm saying is I don't want a list. The behaviour that is underlying the interactions should be included in the character section without the need to list. Important events should be included in the history section. We have existing places to put that information. We don't need to duplicate it. Werdnae (talk) 17:51, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

"Sighs" fine, then how about a battle record for the site then? You know, somethings similar to what's on the full battle page? --Firered16 (talk) 06:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thanks for you suggestion Werdane on Crystal's talkpage. I will check the spam folder.Minor Notes (talk) 23:37, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Remember me?

Yes, it is I, your biggest fan, and I'm back. I always knew you would make the job, and good job. I love this place, and hope to be a help.

Cam ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 13:22, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Random question

Hi Werdnae :) sorry to bother you with this, but Umeko never writes me back so I thought it was best to come to you. I was wondering if you think this article, which I've worked on in my user space, was worth it for a mainspace article. My explanation is in the user message on the article. I'd appreciate your feedback. (I'm scared to just make the decision myself since I feel I don't have that much authority over Music, since while I do contribute to the project, idk, I feel like it's not my place XD) thanks again :) --ZestyCactus 17:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Music articles aren't my expertise, but would it be plausible to make it a proper section on the existing page? Neither of them really have that much info, so they might be better together? You've got more experience with those articles, so I'll trust your judgement on it, whatever you decide is better. Werdnae (talk) 05:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Disambig pages

What is the rule for disambiguation pages? I know that Pokémon receive them. Patty Man 05:59, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon get disabmigs at X (Disambiguation) because there's already a lot of stuff to fit at the top of their page and the species names redirect there. Otherwise, it's just whether one is significantly more important than the other (Also, English names always trump Japanese names) or they're equal importance. If there's numerous things, then it might get a disambig, if there's just a few and the 'main' article is small then a note at the top is easier. There's no real hard and fast rule, it's more of a 'is this working?' and 'what are people more likely to be looking for?'. Werdnae (talk) 06:11, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Userspace Editing

I know I must seem like quite a newbie posting this, but, I just don't understand this. I swear,I edited my Userspace twice yesterday, and twice today, I'm confused.

PokefanR (talk) 04:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

We use the wiki's UTC clock to check the days, and there are five edits in one day here. Make sure that you're clicking preview and not save when you want to check your page, and edit the whole page at once with the edit tab at the very top, rather than editing each section one at a time - every time you click the save button counts as an edit, rather than every set of changes you want to make. Werdnae (talk) 06:22, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Percentages

First of all, sorry if I'm talking to the wrong person, as far as the Bulbapedia hierarchy goes you seem pretty high so I thought I'd start here... Basically I wanted to do a small information design project about pokemon types but discovered that the breakdown the types into percentages adds up to about 146%. Is there incorrect information or am I being a complete dope?

thanks

Edit: I was forgetting, cheers man. I'm off to buy a brain.

Matthauke (talk) 22:03, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Matthauke (talk) 00:25, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm guessing that you're forgetting about dual-typed Pokémon. Because of them, the "This percent of Pokémon are XXX type" will always add to more than 100, because you're counting some twice. Werdnae (talk) 07:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Userspace permission

Small non-urgent question. I haven't been able to edit my userspace for years now it would seem, except I have been able to in the past. I don't remember any notification that my rights were removed (and I only edited it once a day, not to mention that was years ago). Can I know why I don't have the right and possibly how to fix that? Is it just a certain number of mainspace edits we need now? I'm mostly concerned about fixing way outdated information such as age. Thank you!

update: Seems to be resolved now. Ratikate (talk) 15:29, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

My small update batch to Infobox game

Why was it reverted and when will it be readded? SatoMew 22:55, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

It was reverted because I screwed up. I should have done a few things that I didn't, and in hindsight didn't read what you were telling me either. The most urgent issue was that the parameters were changed, which is generally a bad idea as it breaks the pages until they can be fixed. There were a few other things that some people weren't sure about, so I'll need to talk to other staff about it some more. Werdnae (talk) 20:19, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Marked +-+-+/Learnlist templates

You* (or someone else... except Snorlax since he seems busy or something) may want to do something with this (because I have no idea what to do with it now, minus fixing any errors and incompatibilities with what we have, that could sneak in) Marked +-+-+ (talk) 11:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into it. Thanks for making the rest of them. Werdnae (talk) 20:19, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

New page

I noticed that there is more information about Liberate the Tower! than Operation Brighton from Pokémon Ranger:Shadows of Almia on Bulbapedia. This doesn't seem right to me. Is it important enough that I can create an article about it? It's a kind of obscure subject, so I thought I should ask somebody on Project Sidegames first. AGGRON989 19:15, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Ranger Net missions get sections because they aren't part of the core game. Information on Operation Brighton goes in the plot section of the SoA article. The ranger net plot can't go there because it's separate, so it gets a section elsewhere. It might look like there's more info on Liberate the Tower than on Operation Brighton, but that's just because it's separate from the rest. There's actually a lot more info on Operation Brighton (the majority of the final paragraph of the plot section) than Liberate the tower (one sentence in its own section). The rest is just about the Darkrai once it gets to the main series games. The information on Operation Brighton is better suited to the plot section of the game page than its own article. Werdnae (talk) 19:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Project Picture

Hi Werdnae, Can I please make a project that make good quality images and put them on pages? I noticed that there are a lot of old images or low resolution images that needs to be replaced. Thanks! Agent5514 (talk) 02:36, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

That is what the Archives are. Werdnae (talk) 02:57, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Taking in game pictures

Hi again Werdnae, how do you take a picture of a bird's eye view of a Pokemon route or a Pokemon city like the ones used on Bulbapedia? Thanks. Agent5514 (talk) 08:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Don't delete comments from talk pages.
If I knew that, don't you think I'd have already done that for the ones we don't have?. Werdnae (talk) 09:33, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

How would I go about

changing my username to Launchballer? It is the name I use everywhere else.--Tmwps (talk) 10:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

You'll need to talk to Kogoro for that. It's a fairly involved process, and I don't really have the time for that at the moment. Werdnae (talk) 01:16, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Project Fandom Leader

$aturn¥oshi has been inactive for three years, yet he is still leader of Project Fandom. Just wanted to point that out.--×Rsrdaman× 03:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm aware. Werdnae (talk) 01:16, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

How do you edit templates?

Hello Werdnae, how do you edit existing templates? I noticed that on the Hoenn League template, the battle sprites of Steven and Wallace, are from generation III, not from generation V, and it's best to use the latest sprites. And if you think that I shouldn't be doing this, on the Hoenn gym leaders template, Wallace overworld sprite from generation V used, and he entered the PWT as a champion, not as a gym leader. Also, on the Kanto gym leaders template, Koga's overworld sprite is from generation IV, while he is an elite four member at that time. So please tell me how to edit the Hoenn League template. Thanks! Agent5514 (talk) 00:40, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Those should not be changed because there must be consistency within the table. for isolated images newer is generally (but not always) better, but in tables like that it looks terrible if they don't match. And the reason that you can't edit most templates is that they are protected. This is done because every edit made to them puts a very large load on the server.

Please also use the preview button when you're editing so that you don't have to edit the same page so many times in a row. Werdnae (talk) 01:16, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, on the Kanto gym leader template Koga is the only person to have a generation IV overworld sprite, so should we change every other gym leader sprite in that template to generation IV for consistency within the table? Agent5514 (talk) 01:30, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

In that case, Gen IV and Gen V sprites are similar enough that it's acceptable. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ ♥ 02:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

pokemon

Sorry........I didn't knew that it is illegally showed on that sites. One more thing that I am quite new to Bulbapedia ,but I do a lots of mainspace edits I am asking that anybody sees the edits I am making regularly?--Viv (talk) 12:32, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

First part, it's fine, we just have to be super strict about it. Second part, yes. All edits show up on the recent changes list, and most staff (as well as some non-staff users) regularly watch that, so they'll see when you've made an edit. Werdnae (talk) 20:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

This is bugging me...

It's regarding the "a" in the file links to avoid getting them in the wanted pages. One side wants me to use [[:a:File: instead of [[a:File:, and another side wants me to use [[a:File: instead of [[:a:File:. I am being told two different things that I was supposed to do which is getting nowhere. So which side is actually right? Patty Man 23:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Both. [[:a:File: and [[a:File: both work properly, so it's up to the person writing the code for the link. The one to avoid is [[a:File: which puts it on the wanted files list. Werdnae (talk) 09:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Picture for Feraligatr

Hello, Werdnae,

I have a Pokemon Silver Pokedex printer entry for Feraligatr. I don't know how to put it in there.

- Christopher Matias (NutwiisystemRocks) 17:10, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Uploads are done over on the Archives. Werdnae (talk) 07:03, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! Christopher Matias (NutwiisystemRocks) 21:28, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

New Project Idea

I have an idea for a project that will help players build a team, or become successful with their current team. I already have some good strategies with Pokemon such as Espeon and Umbreon. I am messaging you to ask if the scope is broad enough for me to create this project. Thank you for your consideration. (Littleroot Leader Cam (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2013 (UTC))

That's beyond the scope of Bulbapedia. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, reporting facts, not strategies. You are, however, welcome to share strategies in the battle centre over on the forums, which intended for strategy help. Werdnae (talk) 06:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Youtubevid template

Hi. Today I was thinking about how weird it was to being still facing the problem with this template, after all these months. So, I decided to see if it still didn't work. And guess what: I viewed the source from the last edit done while it was still working - and it worked! I suggest you go check it out for yourself, and then, unless I commited a mistake, change it: it's over, I guess. TheOriginalOne 22:22, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I'd rather not, primarily because the old method has a security risk. I'm close to getting a replacement that isn't, I just need to do some more testing. Werdnae (talk) 06:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

As an addition to that, the old template was responsible for a few loading problems, where it pushed even moderately sized pages over the limit and prevented them from loading. We're still hammering out the details, but the usage is going to have to be much more restricted than it was, and we're going to have to remove any uses deemed unnecessary before the template can be fixed. Werdnae (talk) 07:07, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

LANDpedia

Hi, I want to ask you another question: as you may know, our portuguese-speaking partner has been closed for a long time, even tough the rest of the page looks alright. What I want to ask you is if, as the EiC, you have any idea of the cause of this problem, and if you think this puts in cause the presence of LANDpedia in Encyclopediae Pokémonis. Thanks. TheOriginalOne 20:03, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't have any knowledge on why, other than what you've noticed already. That said, if a wiki 'falls over' as it were, it's most frequently due to a lack of input from the community. That's also why Bulbapedia doesn't actively start new wikis for EP - if the community support needed to survive is there, then they'll make it themselves. If there's not enough of a community to sustain it then no amount of forcing will make that happen. Werdnae (talk) 06:08, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the same has happened with Pokéteca (not even the original fan site works). Now the thing is (and the answer I was really seeking): do you think it's worth to keep defunct sites on EP? In case the answer is yes, then what do you think it should be done if another fast-growing wiki in Portuguese/Spanish appeared? TheOriginalOne 22:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

The inclusion (or exclusion) of a wiki from EP isn't up to me. On the 'Bulbagarden' opinion I have significant weight, but I would still need to discuss that with others before weighing in, and the ultimate decision rests with Archaic. In addition, while Bulbapedia is the oldest of the member wikis, and one of the founding members, we aren't the leader - the other members each get their say as well in any decision. I would guess that if it became a choice between a dead wiki and an active wiki of the same language, the old one would likely be replaced. I doubt we'll end up in that circumstance though, because as I mentioned earlier, they die because there's not enough of a userbase to sustain them, and as a result, not enough of a userbase to build and maintain a new one. Werdnae (talk) 08:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I knew you weren't totaly responsible for this. But what about the "in other languages" box? Should we keep the pt and es links? Or is this also Archaic's responsibility? TheOriginalOne 17:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

As long as they're still EP members we should keep the links. Werdnae (talk) 09:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, forgive me for the Pokéteca thing: it didn't close, it was just a temporary measure. Just for you to know. オリジナル TheOriginalOne 18:10, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Something you didn't notice...

Hi. I was seeing some template pages of the wiki related to the Main Page, and noticed that this one had somehow got unprotected (I viewed the logs and noticed that it was protected in the past, tough without seeing any other change to its protection status). ~~If I wanted, I could have vandalized the Main Page in many fun ways.~~ Please protect it. TheOriginalOne 15:54, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Wow, nice spotting. Thanks for letting me know. Werdnae (talk) 21:06, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Learnlist templates

Still sits in userspace (though I recently fixed a small derp). And the style we have for G1-G4 is... really, not too practical (unlike G5 template). What left to do with that template? Marked +-+-+ (talk) 08:08, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

There's a couple of minor aesthetic tweaks I'd like to make, but they'll be a bit time consuming. I'll see if I have time, but it might need to wait until the weekend. Werdnae (talk) 08:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay. In meantime, I will go look who needs it. I once did that, but lost the list :/ Marked +-+-+ (talk) 08:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I forgot that there was still the header that needed adjustment, so it took me longer than expected. I've created Template:Learnlist/levelh/4 for the header of the generation IV subpages, and moved the two Generation IV list templates to Template:Learnlist/levelIVj (where the change was introduced in the Johto games) and Template:Learnlist/levelIVs (where the change was introduced within Sinnoh, i.e. between DP and Pt). The earlier generation templates will need to wait a bit, they need a separate header and more extensive tweaking. Werdnae (talk) 21:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Sitenotice

Shouldn't that be 'confirmation' not 'conformation'?--Tmwps (talk) 00:42, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Ha! Yes, thanks for letting me know (also thanks to Kogsie for fixing it). Clearly I have been thinking too much about my chemistry, and didn't notice. Werdnae (talk) 01:18, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I also noticed something in the site notice. Shouldn't "IRC" be in all caps, being an acronym and all? Correct me if I'm wrong... —Bob Roberts III 02:13, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, I'd copied that from an earlier revision. Werdnae (talk) 05:44, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Question

This user appears to have created their talk page and put some sort of advertising on it. They must be brand new, because there's no sign of a welcome template being put on there. What should be done? Pokegen master (talk) 21:08, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Exactly what you did. That's a characteristic spambot action, so a staff member needs to take care of it. Thanks for mentioning it. Werdnae (talk) 01:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

PokéInfobox

There are few Generation I Pokémon whose exp yield was changed in G4, so technically they need three fields. (or the tt template?) 07:40, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Ugh, can't they just make up their mind? Thanks for mentioning it. Werdnae (talk) 08:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

There's more... And it's not only Generation 1.

Lv. 25 Kabutops (G3: 717; G4: 710)

Lv. 25 Dunsparce (G3: 267; G4: 446)

Lv. 25 Silcoon (G3: 253; G4: 257)

Lv. 25 Dustox (G3: 571; G4: 575)*

Lv. 25 Lileep (G3: 432; G4: 353)

Lv. 25 Cradily (G3: 717; G4: 710)

Lv. 25 Anorith (G3: 425; G4: 353)

Lv. 25 Armaldo (G3: 714; G4: 710)

That's quite bit of changes... Marked +-+-+ (talk) 11:43, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Abilities

Do you know what sidegames (minus PMD) have description for Abilities (these that exist in main series; since eg. Conquest has both those in main-series and new ones). Marked +-+-+ (talk) 08:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC) PS. Asking because this. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 08:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I can't think of any that you haven't already mentioned without research. As you said, PMD and Conquest do. Ranger doesn't, Rumble has Special Traits instead. PokéPark I don't recall having abilities, and most of the others were before Gen III. Werdnae (talk) 08:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Side series

For over a month, SnorlaxMonster has neglected to answer my query, so I've come to you instead. According to him, it was decided years ago that the Stadium, Box, and Colosseum series make up the "side series" rather than main or spin-off series. At my prodding, the respective games' pages were updated to acknowledge this, but we still have no template or mainspace page for side series, so all those links still redirect to spin-off series, to the confusion of uninformed users. I drafted the article and template we need in my userspace (User:Pumpkinking0192/Side series and User:Pumpkinking0192/Template:Side series). Are these suitable for mainspacing? If not, how can I fix that? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

There was some miscommunication, resulting in a 'decision' to change the naming scheme being made without the proper input or approval of the Editorial Board, which is required for such a large, widespread change. There are several issues with the rename which have been brought to our attention and the change has been put on hold until the issues can be sorted, but it's taking a long time because there are many more things which are significantly more important, such as a number of very complex templates needing a complete rebuild before XY due to new mechanics. Werdnae (talk) 08:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:44, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I cant add mew glitch yellow pic

pleas read subject--Mecha mew 2 (talk) 15:47, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Images are uploaded over on the Bulbagargen Archives. Werdnae (talk) 09:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

List of Pokémon Pocket Monsters chapters

Would it be alright to ask you with this, as I posted this on Zesty Cactus's talk page, but I didn't get a reply?

For this list, I have two questions:
1) For the Volume 10 chapters, the (Japanese:) and the infobox don't match, is there a reason for it?
2) For Volume 14, is it alright to leave the English title column to match with the rest? — Reshi 643 03:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

It looks like the infobox one is simply transliterated (romanised), while the article one is translated. The infobox parameter's poorly named ("title_ro" instead of "title_trans" or similar), but I'd rather have the translation there than the romanisation. The translation lets people that don't read Japanese see how the title was changed when the chapter was translated into English.
Definitely.

Werdnae (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I moved the list to the mainspace, also, sorry about the timestamp being August 6, as I copy and paste the message, and didn't resign the message. — Reshi 643 22:34, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

One-time appearance of a Pokémon

What is the ruling for anime Pokémon not belonging to anyone who appeared in one episode (including ones who are nicknamed). If they receive an article, does staff need to approve of it first, because I created the Osharina article off-site since she caused the rivalry between Ash and Cadbury, which was the main focus of the episode. Patty Man 05:00, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You'd be better off talking to a staff member who watches the anime, but based on what you've told me, I do not think it qualifies based on the notability requirements. Werdnae (talk) 01:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Glad I didn't create it. Patty Man 01:30, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

IP range calculator

I had passed this onto G50 and felt that I should also pass it onto you: IP range calculator I use this on Wookieepedia to calculate range blocks, and looking over the block log, the blocked IP will need to be range-blocked. That said, I had dropped the two IPs into the calculator and calculated a range: Range 216.154.88.0/21 (up to 2048 users would be blocked) Looking it up, it may be a proxy server, as I had dealt with spambots from that hostname before. Thus, blocking the aforementioned range should do the trick. Good luck! Trak Nar (talk) 05:20, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Since the IP traces to residential Canada, which is one of our main audiences, we won't be blocking an IP range because it's far too likely to hit legitimate users. Not to mention the fact that this user clearly knows how to change his/her IP, I'm confident that it wouldn't stop the target person for long. Werdnae (talk) 01:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis: LANDpedia

Hi, sorry to come bothering you but you seemed the most appropriate person for this matter, I ask for apologies if I am wrong. I just wanted to note that it seems LANDpedia no longer exists at all, Poké Land seems to be up, but LAND gazette doesn't seem to be updated since the 17th of April of 2012, LANDpedia doesn't seem to exist as a website at all (the page can not be found, suggesting to be redirected back to Poké Land), and LAND community seems to be the only one up but I couldn't confirm if it's still being update. Since the website seems to be discontinued, is it a good policy to keep the links in the main page and other pages under the Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis even though there is nowhere for the users to go to? Just trying to land a hand and help, have a nice day ^^ ----EtherealAether (talk) 14:42, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm aware it's down. It needs a lot of discussion among senior staff, both here and on the other EP wikis, before we remove their links, and there are a lot of more important things that we're focusing on at the moment. Werdnae (talk) 05:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Question about userspace edits

I read on the FAQ you can only make 3 userspace edits a day. Can you give me an example of what they mean by 3 edits? Yes I'm a noob Raichu8575 (talk) 13:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)Raichu8575

Every time you click the save page button is one edit. If you do that on a page that starts with "User:", that is one userspace edit. So you can only do that three times in one day, then you have to wait for the next day. You also need to make edits to pages that don't have a prefix (i.e. the actual articles) to be allowed to make that many userspace edits in one day. Werdnae (talk) 05:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Breeding table

From the Natural Gift's breeding table, why is the Gen IV list under the Gen V header? — Reshi 643 03:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, those are BW and B2W2 lists, not Gen IV lists. Werdnae (talk) 05:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

You're right, I thought with the Gen IV having nothing in it, that there was something wrong with it. Sorry about that. — Reshi 643 05:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

"Last episode in X series" trivia

I'm sorry to bother you, but I see that you're the only staff member currently making edits. Viv and I are having a disagreement over this piece of trivia in the articles EP274, AG192, DP191 and BW142. It's absolutely unnecessary because the first line of the article already states that each of these is the last episode in their respective series, but Viv insists that it cannot be removed because... well, I can't fathom his reasoning. He seems to think that because the trivia have been on the articles a long time, they need an admin's approval to be removed, and in the interest of not edit warring, I'm coming to you to resolve this because he won't listen to me. Thanks. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 08:11, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm also really sorry for bothering you for such a small matter but I think that, the trivia should remain there as it's from the starting and after the BW142 trivia only, all the trivia have been removed, I strictly think this should be there as always. This should not be undone by Pumpkinking for the sake of doing it, further more for removing such a trivia he should have asked someone. I would agree whatever your decision would be. Of course this is not a court. --Viv (talk) 08:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank You for even listening to me!--Viv (talk) 08:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not removing it "for the sake of doing it". I'm removing it because it is against our policy on trivia for such a redundant thing to exist. You still haven't given any legitimate reason for it to remain. ("It's always been there so it should stay" is apathy, not a reason.) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 08:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

We don't have an official policy on trivia. At least... not yet. The trivia point wasn't really notable as the first paragraph of the article already states the exact same thing. If something can be seen on the article itself, it isn't notable.--Force Fire 08:36, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Wait baby, cool it down folks We should not be fighting for one line Trivia. What's the big deal if viewers will see that one line trivia of This is the last episode of this this series. If you are fighting for this then what about the Trivia's like This is the last episode of 2000's .I'm saying these trivia should remain there I guess we both have given enough of reasoning. Now, let Werdnae decide on this. Pumpkinking it's my humble request to you now neither you nor should I post anything about this topic. If it's clear you can reply YES/NO.

Post Script-------- Mr. Werdnae I'm really sorry for using your page as an 'EDIT WAR RESOLVING PAGE' and I thing Pumpkinking would also be sorry--Viv (talk) 08:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Trivia points should be pieces of info that are worth noting, but don't fit elsewhere in the article. These fail that requirement because it does fit elsewhere in the article - it's already in the intro, making the trivia redundant and unnecessary. As a result, I agree with the removal of the 'end of series' trivia points. As for the 'last episode of <year>' points, I don't think they're notable at all. It's just not that important. If there were breaks at the end of each year, or each year started a new (sub-series) plot arc or something, then maybe. But as it is, the actual date that they aired is somewhat incidental.

As a side note, if you're going to ask me a question on my talk page, please continue the other parts of the conversation where you started them, so that you give me enough time to consider both sides of the argument, make a decision and then explain it, without getting an edit conflict and having to start again. Werdnae (talk) 08:52, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Werdnae. As a side note, Force Fire, while I am aware that we don't have an official written-in-stone policy about trivia, it would be fallacious to ignore the de facto consensus against redundancy that people, including many admins, have been cracking down on, especially lately. That's what I was referring to by "policy": the unwritten rules that are enforced just as much as the written ones. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

PokéInfobox.

I've noticed there is a small error there (that is, it says "Gen. I-IV" even if Pokémon didn't originate from Generation 1), also there shouldn't be tooltip for New Dex No. if Pokémon's Johto Dex No. is 101 or smaller, since up to that they're the same. Uploader (talk) 07:33, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning those. Werdnae (talk) 00:06, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Red and Blue art?

Don't mean to bother you or anything, but all original Pokémon have their infobox images as their Red and Blue art and its not September 30th. Glitch?--Weavile Warrior (talk) 21:57, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

See Talk:Meowth (Pokémon)#Art. — Reshi 643 22:02, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I find it silly that users should have to hunt down a minuscule talk page for an answer to a simple question. I think it's an issue that the notices on the talk pages do not mention this date as one of the dates for the artwork switching. Confusion will only continue unless it's addressed somewhere. --Pokemaster 97 22:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

If anyone's interested in mainspacing it, I made a template we can put on the top of these pages so we can update them all simultaneously when something like this happens. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

50.Grind

Hi, I have written two articles on Wikipedia - 50.Grind and their song Gotta Catch 'Em All. Would they be notable enough for inclusion here, and if so, would I be able to just copy my articles over here?--Tmwps (talk) 21:38, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

The former I would say no. We can just link to the Wikipedia article where it matters. The latter could get an article, but it would need more than what's on that wikipedia article before it'd be considered a worthwhile page. Check the Project Music page for what's expected. Werdnae (talk) 08:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Underleveled Pokémon

Hello, Werdnae. I wanted to discuss a potential change with you on how Underleveled Pokémon are presented on the Level article. At present, the current section is a few short paragraphs that only mention a few examples of Pokémon in the wild and in battles with Trainers that are not yet to the proper level to evolve. I was wondering if you would be alright if a standalone article could be created about the Underleveled Pokémon, along with a table for a list of all the instances where it has occurred in trainer battles at the least. Thank you for your time. --Super goku (talk) 07:05, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

My initial thought was that it might be too common to be worth noting, but I don't have the time to look into it properly it while I'm focusing on templates for XY. I don't want to make a decision on it yet because of that. If another staff member wants to jump in and make that decision, I'll trust their judgement. Werdnae (talk) 00:06, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I will admit that there are quite a few Pokémon per generation listed, I feel that it is somewhat similar in content to the Game move errors article, though I understand that being close to XY could be a problem timewise. Would it be alright if I were to ask Kogoro for their opinion in this matter? --Super goku (talk) 06:32, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Plasma Blast

I have attempted to correct a simple factual inaccuracy on this page twice, however Maverick Nate has reverted it both times with little explanation. I attempted to resolve this issue on his talk page over two weeks ago, but he did not respond and simply reverted my change again immediately (with a very slight change in the wording that doesn't really clarify how it's factually correct). I would appreciate it if you could step in and encourage him to either more thoroughly explain the reasoning behind the reverts or to stop making the reverts. Viskiv (talk) 07:38, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I looked over the issue, and I think I understand what Nate is trying to say. Because the G Scope and G Booster provide Genesect with an extra move, they're essentially like TMs. TMs wouldn't work in the TCG like they do in the games, so I think what he's saying is that they're the next best thing to TMs that the TCG is going to get. They're the first item cards that provide a Pokémon with an extra attack. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ ♥ 08:27, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

That line of thinking seems like pure speculation, though. It's certainly not a fact that G Booster and G Scope are meant to represent a new form of TMs, especially given that they only work with a single Pokemon. Although this is also speculation, I believe they were meant to represent the same concept as Genesect's signature hold items - which seems logical to me, given that tools represent hold items. However, regardless of whether or not that particular thought is true, the statement "Because Technical Machines in the Pokémon games now have unlimited uses, attacks are now present on Pokémon Tool cards" is in no way a concrete fact. It is true that there are no TMs in the set and there are two (special, rare, out of the ordinary) tool cards with attacks on them, but that doesn't mean that they're replacing, or meant to replace, TMs at all. To say that those two cards are setting some kind of precedent for how something like TMs will be handled going forward is assuming a bit much, in my opinion. Viskiv (talk) 14:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to reword it as you like, just don't simply remove the content. First Tools with attacks on them is notable, and it is difficult to work with the content when it keeps getting removed. Please, modify it as you seem fit, just don't outright remove the entire topic when it seems that you have a problem with only 1 of the sentences. ^Maverick _Nate 14:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Prior to this discussion I was not actually aware that they were the first tools with attacks on them - I agree that this is notable and should be mentioned. Not knowing that at the time, I didn't think there was anything notable about what I was removing. It would have been nice to have had this discussion two weeks ago! Viskiv (talk) 03:32, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Itemlist template and edit protected Pokémon page

Can you add the XY parameters to the Itemlist template and remove the indefinite edit protection on Noivern? Lady Ariel 23:26, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:Pokémon Infobox - Forme Problem

Hiya there. I wanted to add all the 18 versions of Vivillon to it's page but it seems this template is limited to max 6 forms. Do you have any idea how we could solve this problem? --Sekuiya ^talk 01:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Use a gallery in the biology section. Eighteen is far too many images for an infobox, it would push everything so far down the page that it defeats the purpose. Werdnae (talk) 02:48, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Any suggestions, or example, on how to create that gallery? Like image size, for example. --Sekuiya ^talk 03:01, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I followed your suggestion, thought it didn't turn out all that pretty, though that's maybe because it's lacking images, just found I'm not able to upload them. Regardless, iff you could check it out I would be much appreciated. Another thing, since I'm not using the "forme" thingy, is there a way to add to the main pic under it "Meadow Vivillon", like it would add if using the "forme" thingy? --Sekuiya ^talk 03:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, and yeah, it'll fix itself up once the images are uploaded. There isn't a way to have it with the way it's currently set up. For now, it'll be fine as it is, as NPC trainers all have that pattern. I'll try and remember to fix that next time I need to adjust something. I don't want to do it right away because that's a really high use template and I need to limit how frequently it's edited. Thanks for helping out. Werdnae (talk) 03:56, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Abra

For some reason, it doesn't show the G4 yield, only G1-G3 and G5+. The field is filled out, but doesn't show... Uploader (talk) 11:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. The parameter needs to be "g4exp", whereas it was set in the "gen4exp" parameter, which doesn't exist. Thanks for noticing. Werdnae (talk) 19:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

breedh/6 template

You're the one who created the levelh/6 and tmh/6 and tutorh/6 templates, so I suppose you'll know more immediately what's needed to create a breedh/6 template than if I were to try to figure it out or guess at it. (Bulbapedia templates really need documentation...though that's only half my problem.)

There are some Kalos pages with breeding tables already, like Amaura (Pokémon)#By breeding, but they shouldn't look like that, saying "Generation V" and just being empty under "Other generations". And on Tyrantrum and Tyrunt's breeding tables, someone actually typoed the parameters so that those pages are creating links to learnsets it can't have. (I know that one's fixable right now, but that won't make it a good/consistent table.) There should really be a proper Gen 6 breeding table template. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:50, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I made the template. There's a list of parameters on the talk page of it, but it works in much the same way the headers for the other sections do. The code is reasonably straightforward, especially compared to the existing/generic ones. I've been trying to improve the 'readability' of our templates anyway, not only removing redundant code but also simplifying the code to make it easier to see what is going on. A lot of the older templates are excessively complex. I'm working my way through them, it's generally quicker and easier to build a new one from scratch than fix the existing ones. Werdnae (talk) 08:10, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for create the new template of Generation VI breeding, but it seem the Template:Learnlist/breedf seems need to edit (or just create a breedf design for Gen VI, as i not good at create template......), otherwise it will have some display problem. example---->[2] -- User:chungkingpun 13:10, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

This is actually a problem for all of the Gen VI learn tables except level. It's because, previously, the non-level tables weren't sortable, so they didn't actually have an extra table within them. (See old and nonsortable vs new and sortable.) Since level has always (or for at least some of Gen V) been sortable, its footer deals with that extra table just fine, but the other footers don't and you have to add an extra |} (before or after the footer) to complete the tables properly.

There's a couple ways it could be solved outside of always adding the |}. One would be to make all the Gen 5 headers sortable and then make all the footers close that properly. Another way would be to just create a Gen VI footer template for the non-level tables (and maybe a redirect to the Gen V one for the level footer) that closes the tables properly. (I'm honestly for making all the Gen V tables sortable, for consistency.)

But either way, the question arises: what is the "proper" way to close the sortable tables? If you look closely at where the footer meets the main part of the learn tables, you'll see that, for level, there's actually a tiny space (a line of green) before the footer, while for tutoring or any other non-level table, there's no space. The difference is, the level footer closes the sortable table before making the footer (and then closing the whole table), whereas the closing |}'s jury-rigged for Gen VI tables have all (at least on Bulbasaur's page) been placed at the very end, rather than before the footer, so that the footer becomes part of the sortable table. Which is "proper"? Because they should really be consistent; either the level footer should remove the space or the non-level tables should prefer having the space. (If you look back again at the old, nonsortable tables, you'll also see that, the way they were done, they always had that little line of green before the footer.)

Overall, I think I'm for just creating properly-closing Gen VI footers and for the footers being separate from the sortable tables. Sometime today, I'll mock that up in my userspace and see if you approve, Werdnae. (Feel free to refer it directly to another staff member if necessary, or tell me who I should take it to.) If they're good, then we can move them to the mainspace and start using them in articles. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

At the moment, I've done these footers: leveling up, TM/HM, breeding, and tutoring. You can see them all in action in the sandbox (compare: Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#Learnset). Though level's original footer works fine, for the sake of consistency, it should probably have a Gen VI-specific footer as well; that's why I made it, too. Plus, it prevents typos like the "|5|1" parameters for the levelf template currently in the Bulbasaur article (and probably many other pages).

Something I noticed: the Gen 5 breeding header doesn't have a link to a Gen I table, which I assume is because you couldn't breed in Gen I. But your GenVI breeding header does include a Gen I link...

Also, a kind of random question...should the template redirects like tm6 be in the Learnlist templates category too? ...Or possibly in a subcategory for redirects, just to separate them out? Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:27, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Nice work on those templates, I've put them into action. I did want to add something for mega evolutions, so I had to change the way you'd set up the level one. As for categorising the redirects, I believe that if there's anything at all on the page at all besides the redirect, it blocks the redirect. It still displays as a redirect, but it just behaves as a regular link. Which would make categorising template redirects impossible. Werdnae (talk) 07:42, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Name Change Request

Hey Werdnae, I'd like you to change my username to UltraAsh3000. The reason I request this is because when I created my account, I chose Pikachu in my username because he's the mascot. As of now, however, I really like Ash more.Much appreciated if you do so! UltraPikachu3000 (talk) 23:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit busy to take care of this while I'm on hiatus, you might be better off asking Kogoro, though be aware that she is currently busy making preparations to reopen the Archives, so she's unlikely to be able to do it before then. Werdnae (talk) 08:10, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Prettying up Template:Search

Because why not? What do you think of it? SatoMew 10:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

An interesting idea, but I actually prefer that template as plain text. As a side note, can I ask that you make sure that the categories in templates in your userspace are commented out please. Werdnae (talk) 06:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

They're commented out now, thanks for reminding me. And well, I'm suggesting the redesign because it'd be consistent with the other notice and/or disambiguation templates. Also, what do you think of the note I put there? It would help making the depicted designs consistent since the Global Link artwork is official, is part of the core series game media, and follows the same style. SatoMew 23:11, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi There

Can I get your input on my analysis of the template structure here? It's starting to look very inconsistent. CycloneGU (talk) 01:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Thunder Punch trivia inconsistency

I disagree. As you can see, the inconsistency it refers to is SatoMew2's misguided attempts at retranslating our move names a few months ago. It just didn't get removed when the move name was reverted. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 23:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. Alright, feel free to remove it again if you wish. I think it's worth noting the Thunder/Lightning discrepancy somewhere, but it probably needs to be done in a different way. Werdnae (talk) 00:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

You can note it on Thunder's page, maybe, but Pokemon has a pronounced trend of using "Thunder" for Electric moves/attacks - despite the fact that thunder is not technically electricity - so I don't know that it's actually much worth noting. If you wanted to note it anywhere, I feel like you should note it everywhere. There are actually fewer moves with "Elec" in them than there are with "Thunder", in fact. Pokemon has kind of committed to the use of "Thunder" for electric stuff... (So maybe you could put the trivia on the Electric (type) article. That'd be a way to avoid putting it multiple places.) And Thunder and lightning go hand in hand, so I just don't think the fact that thunder isn't technically electricity is much worth noting, certainly not multiple times. Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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 It's regarding the "a" in the file links to avoid getting them in the wanted pages. One side wants me to use <nowiki>[[:a:File:</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>[[a:File:</nowiki>, and another side wants me to use <nowiki>[[a:File:</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>[[:a:File:</nowiki>. I am being told two different things that I was supposed to do which is getting nowhere. So which side is actually right? [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 23:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
-:Both. <nowiki>[[:a:File: and [[a:File: both work properly, so it's up to the person writing the code for the link. The one to avoid is [[:File:</nowiki> which puts it on the wanted files list. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 09:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
+:Both. <nowiki>[[:a:File: and [[a:File: both work properly, so it's up to the person writing the code for the link. The one to avoid is [[a:File:</nowiki> which puts it on the wanted files list. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 09:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
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 Hi, sorry to come bothering you but you seemed the most appropriate person for this matter, I ask for apologies if I am wrong. I just wanted to note that it seems LANDpedia no longer exists at all, [http://pokeland.net/ Poké Land] seems to be up, but LAND gazette doesn't seem to be updated since the 17th of April of 2012, LANDpedia doesn't seem to exist as a website at all (the page can not be found, suggesting to be redirected back to Poké Land), and LAND community seems to be the only one up but I couldn't confirm if it's still being update. Since the website seems to be discontinued, is it a good policy to keep the links in the main page and other pages under the Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis even though there is nowhere for the users to go to? Just trying to land a hand and help, have a nice day ^^ ----[[User:EtherealAether|<span style="color:#1E90FF;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">EtherealAether</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:EtherealAether|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold;">talk</span>]])''</small> 14:42, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
+:I'm aware it's down. It needs a lot of discussion among senior staff, both here and on the other EP wikis, before we remove their links, and there are a lot of more important things that we're focusing on at the moment. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 05:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
+== Question about userspace edits ==
+I read on the FAQ you can only make 3 userspace edits a day. Can you give me an example of what they mean by 3 edits?
+Yes I'm a noob [[User:Raichu8575|Raichu8575]] ([[User talk:Raichu8575|talk]]) 13:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)Raichu8575
+:Every time you click the save page button is one edit. If you do that on a page that starts with "User:", that is one userspace edit. So you can only do that three times in one day, then you have to wait for the next day. You also need to make edits to pages that don't have a prefix (i.e. the actual articles) to be allowed to make that many userspace edits in one day. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 05:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
+== Breeding table ==
+From the {{m|Natural Gift}}'s breeding table, why is the Gen IV list under the Gen V header? — [[User:Reshi643|<span style="color:#7038F8">Reshi</span>]][[User talk:Reshi643|<span style="color:#F08030">643</span>]] 03:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
+:If I'm not mistaken, those are BW and B2W2 lists, not Gen IV lists. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 05:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
+::You're right, I thought with the Gen IV having nothing in it, that there was something wrong with it. Sorry about that. — [[User:Reshi643|<span style="color:#7038F8">Reshi</span>]][[User talk:Reshi643|<span style="color:#F08030">643</span>]] 05:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
+== "Last episode in X series" trivia ==
+I'm sorry to bother you, but I see that you're the only staff member currently making edits. Viv and I are having a [[User talk:Viv#"Last episode of X series" trivia|disagreement]] over this piece of trivia in the articles [[EP274]], [[AG192]], [[DP191]] and [[BW142]]. It's absolutely unnecessary because the first line of the article already states that each of these is the last episode in their respective series, but Viv insists that it cannot be removed because... well, I can't fathom his reasoning. He seems to think that because the trivia have been on the articles a long time, they need an admin's approval to be removed, and in the interest of not edit warring, I'm coming to you to resolve this because he won't listen to me. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 08:11, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
+I'm also really sorry for bothering you for such a small matter but I think that, the trivia should remain there as it's from the starting and after the [[BW142]] trivia only, all the trivia have been removed, I strictly think this should be there as always. This should not be undone by Pumpkinking for the sake of doing it, further more for removing such a trivia he should have asked someone. I would agree whatever your decision would be. <small> Of course this is not a court. </small>--[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 08:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
+Thank You for even listening to me!--[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 08:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
+:I'm not removing it "for the sake of doing it". I'm removing it because it is against our policy on trivia for such a redundant thing to exist. You still haven't given any legitimate reason for it to remain. ("It's always been there so it should stay" is apathy, not a reason.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 08:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
+::We don't have an official policy on trivia. At least... not yet. The trivia point wasn't really notable as the first paragraph of the article already states the exact same thing. If something can be seen on the article itself, it isn't notable.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 08:36, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
+Wait baby, cool it down folks We should not be fighting for one line Trivia. What's the big deal if viewers will see that one line trivia of '''This is the last episode of this this series'''. If you are fighting for this then what about the Trivia's like '''This is the last episode of 2000's''' .I'm saying these trivia should remain there I guess we both have given enough of reasoning. Now, let Werdnae decide on this.
+Pumpkinking it's my humble request to you now neither you nor should I post anything about this topic. If it's clear you can reply YES/NO.
+Post Script-------- Mr. Werdnae I'm really sorry for using your page as an 'EDIT WAR RESOLVING PAGE' and I thing Pumpkinking would also be sorry--[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 08:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
+:Trivia points should be pieces of info that are worth noting, but don't fit elsewhere in the article. These fail that requirement because it does fit elsewhere in the article - it's already in the intro, making the trivia redundant and unnecessary. As a result, I agree with the removal of the 'end of series' trivia points. As for the 'last episode of &lt;year>' points, I don't think they're notable at all. It's just not that important. If there were breaks at the end of each year, or each year started a new (sub-series) plot arc or something, then maybe. But as it is, the actual date that they aired is somewhat incidental.
+:As a side note, if you're going to ask me a question on my talk page, please continue the other parts of the conversation where you started them, so that you give me enough time to consider both sides of the argument, make a decision and then explain it, without getting an edit conflict and having to start again. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 08:52, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
+::Thank you, Werdnae. As a side note, Force Fire, while I am aware that we don't have an official written-in-stone policy about trivia, it would be fallacious to ignore the de facto consensus against redundancy that people, including many admins, have been cracking down on, especially lately. That's what I was referring to by "policy": the unwritten rules that are enforced just as much as the written ones. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
+== PokéInfobox. ==
+I've noticed there is a small error there (that is, it says "Gen. I-IV" even if Pokémon didn't originate from Generation 1), also there shouldn't be tooltip for New Dex No. if Pokémon's Johto Dex No. is 101 or smaller, since up {{p|Yanma|to that}} they're the same. [[User:Uploader|Uploader]] ([[User talk:Uploader|talk]]) 07:33, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
+:Thanks for mentioning those. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 00:06, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
+== Red and Blue art? ==
+Don't mean to bother you or anything, but all original Pokémon have their infobox images as their Red and Blue art and its not September 30th. Glitch?--[[User:Weavilewarrior|Weavile Warrior]] ([[User talk:Weavilewarrior|talk]]) 21:57, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
+:See [[Talk:Meowth (Pokémon)#Art]]. — [[User:Reshi643|<span style="color:#7038F8">Reshi</span>]][[User talk:Reshi643|<span style="color:#F08030">643</span>]] 22:02, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
+::I find it silly that users should have to hunt down a minuscule talk page for an answer to a simple question. I think it's an issue that the notices on the talk pages do not mention this date as one of the dates for the artwork switching. Confusion will only continue unless it's addressed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 22:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
+:::If anyone's interested in mainspacing it, I made [[User:Pumpkinking0192/Template:TalkArtworkNotice|a template]] we can put on the top of these pages so we can update them all simultaneously when something like this happens. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
+== 50.Grind ==
+Hi, I have written two articles on Wikipedia - [[wikipedia:50.Grind|50.Grind]] and their song [[wikipedia:Gotta Catch 'Em All|Gotta Catch 'Em All]]. Would they be notable enough for inclusion here, and if so, would I be able to just copy my articles over here?--[[User:Tmwps|Tmwps]] ([[User talk:Tmwps|talk]]) 21:38, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
+:The former I would say no. We can just link to the Wikipedia article where it matters. The latter could get an article, but it would need more than what's on that wikipedia article before it'd be considered a worthwhile page. Check the [[Bulbapedia:Project_Music#Song_articles|Project Music]] page for what's expected. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 08:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
+== Underleveled Pokémon ==
+Hello, Werdnae.  I wanted to discuss a potential change with you on how Underleveled Pokémon are presented on the [[Level]] article.  At present, the [[Level#Underleveled Pokémon|current section]] is a few short paragraphs that only mention a few examples of Pokémon in the wild and in battles with Trainers that are not yet to the proper level to evolve.  I was wondering if you would be alright if a standalone article could be created about the Underleveled Pokémon, along with [[User:Super goku/Sandbox/Underleveled Table|a table for a list]] of all the instances where it has occurred in trainer battles at the least.  Thank you for your time.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:05, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
+:My initial thought was that it might be too common to be worth noting, but I don't have the time to look into it properly it while I'm focusing on templates for XY. I don't want to make a decision on it yet because of that. If another staff member wants to jump in and make that decision, I'll trust their judgement. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 00:06, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
+::I will admit that there are quite a few Pokémon per generation listed, I feel that it is somewhat similar in content to the [[Game move errors]] article, though I understand that being close to XY could be a problem timewise.  Would it be alright if I were to ask Kogoro for their opinion in this matter?  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:32, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
+== Plasma Blast ==
+I have attempted to correct a simple factual inaccuracy on {{TCG|Plasma Blast|this page}} twice, however [[user talk:Maverick Nate|Maverick Nate]] has reverted it both times with little explanation. I attempted to resolve this issue on his talk page over two weeks ago, but he did not respond and simply reverted my change again immediately (with a very slight change in the wording that doesn't really clarify how it's factually correct). I would appreciate it if you could step in and encourage him to either more thoroughly explain the reasoning behind the reverts or to stop making the reverts. [[User:Viskiv|Viskiv]] ([[User talk:Viskiv|talk]]) 07:38, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
+:I looked over the issue, and I think I understand what Nate is trying to say. Because the G Scope and G Booster provide Genesect with an extra move, they're essentially like TMs. TMs wouldn't work in the TCG like they do in the games, so I think what he's saying is that they're the next best thing to TMs that the TCG is going to get. They're the first item cards that provide a Pokémon with an extra attack. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 08:27, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
+::That line of thinking seems like pure speculation, though. It's certainly not a fact that G Booster and G Scope are meant to represent a new form of TMs, especially given that they only work with a single Pokemon. Although this is also speculation, I believe they were meant to represent the same concept as Genesect's signature hold items - which seems logical to me, given that tools represent hold items. However, regardless of whether or not that particular thought is true, the statement "Because Technical Machines in the Pokémon games now have unlimited uses, attacks are now present on Pokémon Tool cards" is in no way a concrete fact. It is true that there are no TMs in the set and there are two (special, rare, out of the ordinary) tool cards with attacks on them, but that doesn't mean that they're replacing, or meant to replace, TMs at all. To say that those two cards are setting some kind of precedent for how something like TMs will be handled going forward is assuming a bit much, in my opinion.  [[User:Viskiv|Viskiv]] ([[User talk:Viskiv|talk]]) 14:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
+:::Feel free to ''reword'' it as you like, just don't simply ''remove'' the content. First Tools with attacks on them is notable, and it is difficult to work with the content when it keeps getting removed. Please, modify it as you seem fit, just don't outright remove the entire topic when it seems that you have a problem with only 1 of the sentences. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 14:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
+::::Prior to this discussion I was not actually aware that they were the first tools with attacks on them - I agree that this is notable and should be mentioned. Not knowing that at the time, I didn't think there was anything notable about what I was removing. It would have been nice to have had this discussion two weeks ago! [[User:Viskiv|Viskiv]] ([[User talk:Viskiv|talk]]) 03:32, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
+==Itemlist template and edit protected Pokémon page==
+Can you add the XY parameters to the [[Template:Itemlist|Itemlist]] template and remove the indefinite edit protection on {{p|Noivern}}? '''[[User:Lady Ariel|<span style="color:magenta">Lady</span>]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|<span style="color:orange">Ariel</span>]]''' 23:26, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
+== Template:Pokémon Infobox - Forme Problem ==
+Hiya there. I wanted to add all the 18 versions of [[Vivillon]] to it's page but it seems this template is limited to max 6 forms. Do you have any idea how we could solve this problem? --[[User:Sekuiya|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#619DD9;">Sekuiya</span>]][[User talk:Sekuiya|<sup><span style="color:#FF7B1B;">talk</span></sup>]] 01:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+:Use a gallery in the biology section. Eighteen is far too many images for an infobox, it would push everything so far down the page that it defeats the purpose. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 02:48, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+::Any suggestions, or example, on how to create that gallery? Like image size, for example. --[[User:Sekuiya|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#619DD9;">Sekuiya</span>]][[User talk:Sekuiya|<sup><span style="color:#FF7B1B;">talk</span></sup>]] 03:01, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+:::Okay, I followed your suggestion, thought it didn't turn out all that pretty, though that's maybe because it's lacking images, just found I'm not able to upload them. Regardless, iff you could check it out I would be much appreciated. Another thing, since I'm not using the "forme" thingy, is there a way to add to the main pic under it "Meadow Vivillon", like it would add if using the "forme" thingy? --[[User:Sekuiya|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#619DD9;">Sekuiya</span>]][[User talk:Sekuiya|<sup><span style="color:#FF7B1B;">talk</span></sup>]] 03:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+::::Looks fine to me, and yeah, it'll fix itself up once the images are uploaded. There isn't a way to have it with the way it's currently set up. For now, it'll be fine as it is, as NPC trainers all have that pattern. I'll try and remember to fix that next time I need to adjust something. I don't want to do it right away because that's a really high use template and I need to limit how frequently it's edited. Thanks for helping out. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 03:56, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+== {{p|Abra}} ==
+For some reason, it doesn't show the G4 yield, only G1-G3 and G5+. The field is filled out, but doesn't show... [[User:Uploader|Uploader]] ([[User talk:Uploader|talk]]) 11:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
+:Fixed. The parameter needs to be "g4exp", whereas it was set in the "gen4exp" parameter, which doesn't exist. Thanks for noticing. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 19:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
+== breedh/6 template ==
+You're the one who created the levelh/6 and tmh/6 and tutorh/6 templates, so I suppose you'll know more immediately what's needed to create a breedh/6 template than if I were to try to figure it out or guess at it.  (Bulbapedia templates really need documentation...though that's only half my problem.)
+There are some Kalos pages with breeding tables already, like [[Amaura (Pokémon)#By breeding]], but they shouldn't look like that, saying "Generation V" and just being empty under "Other generations".  And on [[Tyrantrum_(Pokémon)#By_breeding|Tyrantrum]] and [[Tyrunt_(Pokémon)#By_breeding|Tyrunt]]'s breeding tables, someone actually typoed the parameters so that those pages are creating links to [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Tyrantrum_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29/Generation_II_learnset|learnsets it can't have]].  (I know that one's fixable right now, but that won't make it a good/consistent table.)  There should really be a proper Gen 6 breeding table template. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:50, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
+:Sorry for the delay, I made [[Template:Learnlist/breedh/6|the template]]. There's a list of parameters on the talk page of it, but it works in much the same way the headers for the other sections do. The code is reasonably straightforward, especially compared to the existing/generic ones. I've been trying to improve the 'readability' of our templates anyway, not only removing redundant code but also simplifying the code to make it easier to see what is going on. A lot of the older templates are excessively complex. I'm working my way through them, it's generally quicker and easier to build a new one from scratch than fix the existing ones. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 08:10, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
+:Thanks for create the new template of Generation VI breeding, but it seem the [[Template:Learnlist/breedf]] seems need to edit (or just create a breedf design for Gen VI, as i not good at create template......), otherwise it will have some display problem. example---->[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&oldid=2009756] -- [[User:chungkingpun]] 13:10, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
+::This is actually a problem for all of the Gen VI learn tables except level.  It's because, previously, the non-level tables weren't sortable, so they didn't actually have an extra table within them.  (See [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1950603#By_TM.2FHM old and nonsortable] vs [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=2009764#By_TM.2FHM new and sortable].)  Since level has always (or for at least some of Gen V) been sortable, its footer deals with that extra table just fine, but the other footers don't and you have to add an extra |} (before or after the footer) to complete the tables properly.
+::There's a couple ways it could be solved outside of always adding the |}.  One would be to make ''all'' the Gen 5 headers sortable and then make all the footers close that properly.  Another way would be to just create a Gen VI footer template for the non-level tables (and maybe a redirect to the Gen V one for the level footer) that closes the tables properly.  (I'm honestly for making all the Gen V tables sortable, for consistency.)
+::But either way, the question arises: what ''is'' the "proper" way to close the sortable tables?  If you look closely at where the footer meets the main part of the learn tables, you'll see that, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=2009764#By_leveling_up for level], there's actually a tiny space (a line of green) before the footer, while [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=2009764#By_tutoring for tutoring] or any other non-level table, there's no space.  The difference is, the level footer closes  the sortable table before making the footer (and then closing the whole table), whereas the closing |}'s jury-rigged for Gen VI tables have all (at least on Bulbasaur's page) been placed at the very end, rather than before the footer, so that the footer becomes part of the sortable table.  Which is "proper"?  Because they should really be consistent; either the level footer should remove the space or the non-level tables should prefer having the space.  (If you look back again at the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1950603#By_tutoring old, nonsortable] tables, you'll also see that, the way they were done, they always had that little line of green before the footer.)
+::Overall, I think I'm for just creating properly-closing Gen VI footers and for the footers being separate from the sortable tables. Sometime today, I'll mock that up in my userspace and see if you approve, Werdnae.  (Feel free to refer it directly to another staff member if necessary, or tell me who I should take it to.)  If they're good, then we can move them to the mainspace and start using them in articles. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
+:::At the moment, I've done these footers: [[User:Tiddlywinks/levelf/6|leveling up]],  [[User:Tiddlywinks/tmf/6|TM/HM]], [[User:Tiddlywinks/breedf/6|breeding]], and [[User:Tiddlywinks/tutorf/6|tutoring]].   You can see them all in action in [[Bulbapedia:Sandbox#Learnlist Gen VI footers test|the sandbox]] (compare: [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#Learnset]]).  Though level's original footer works fine, for the sake of consistency, it should probably have a Gen VI-specific footer as well; that's why I made it, too.  Plus, it prevents typos like the "|5|1" parameters for the levelf template currently in the Bulbasaur article (and probably many other pages).
+:::Something I noticed: the Gen 5 breeding header doesn't have a link to a Gen I table, which I assume is because you couldn't breed in Gen I.  But your GenVI breeding header does include a Gen I link...
+:::Also, a kind of random question...should the template redirects like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Learnlist/tm6&redirect=no tm6] be in the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Learnlist_templates Learnlist templates] category too?  ...Or possibly in a subcategory for redirects, just to separate them out? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:27, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
+::::Nice work on those templates, I've put them into action. I did want to add something for mega evolutions, so I had to change the way you'd set up the level one. As for categorising the redirects, I believe that if there's anything at all on the page at all besides the redirect, it blocks the redirect. It still displays as a redirect, but it just behaves as a regular link. Which would make categorising template redirects impossible. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 07:42, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
+== Name Change Request ==
+Hey Werdnae, I'd like you to change my username to UltraAsh3000. The reason I request this is because when I created my account, I chose Pikachu in my username because he's the mascot. As of now, however, I really like Ash more.Much appreciated if you do so! [[User:UltraPikachu3000|UltraPikachu3000]] ([[User talk:UltraPikachu3000|talk]]) 23:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
+:I'm a bit busy to take care of this while I'm on hiatus, you might be better off asking {{u|Kogoro}}, though be aware that she is currently busy making preparations to reopen the Archives, so she's unlikely to be able to do it before then. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 08:10, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
+== Prettying up Template:Search ==
+[[User:SatoMew2/SearchTemplate|Because why not?]] What do you think of it? [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 10:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
+:An interesting idea, but I actually prefer that template as plain text. As a side note, can I ask that you make sure that the categories in templates in your userspace are commented out please. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 06:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
+::They're commented out now, thanks for reminding me. And well, I'm suggesting the redesign because it'd be consistent with the other notice and/or disambiguation templates. Also, what do you think of the note I put there? It would help making the depicted designs consistent since the Global Link artwork is official, is part of the core series game media, and follows the same style. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 23:11, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
+== Hi There ==
+Can I get your input on my analysis of the template structure [[Template talk:Moveheader/Level#Level - Set Width Adjustments.3F|here]]?  It's starting to look very inconsistent.  [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
+== Thunder Punch trivia inconsistency ==
+I disagree. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Thunder_Punch_(move)&diff=1871774&oldid=1862718 As you can see], the inconsistency it refers to is SatoMew2's misguided attempts at retranslating our move names a few months ago. It just didn't get removed when the move name was reverted. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
+:Hmm. Alright, feel free to remove it again if you wish. I think it's worth noting the Thunder/Lightning discrepancy somewhere, but it probably needs to be done in a different way. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 00:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
+::You can note it on {{m|Thunder}}'s page, maybe, but Pokemon has a ''pronounced'' [[Electric type#Moves|trend]] of using "Thunder" for Electric moves/attacks - despite the fact that {{wp|thunder}} is not technically electricity - so I don't know that it's actually much ''worth'' noting. If you wanted to note it anywhere, I feel like you should note it everywhere. There are actually ''fewer'' moves with "Elec" in them than there are with "Thunder", in fact. Pokemon has kind of committed to the use of "Thunder" for electric stuff... (So maybe you could put the trivia on the [[Electric (type)]] article. That'd be a way to avoid putting it multiple places.) And Thunder and lightning go hand in hand, so I just don't think the fact that thunder isn't ''technically'' electricity is much worth noting, certainly not multiple times. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)