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::::Speaking of overkill, I personally don't think this table is necessary at all. Anyone reading the article can easily figure out on their own that the only difference between this move and other ice-type moves is the fact that it's super effective against water-type moves. That's why I don't think it should be on the page. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 16:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
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:It's a pre-release image. --<b>[[User talk:Relicant|<span style="color:#EBEBEB;">The</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|<span style="color:#F08030;">Truth</span>]]</b> aka Relicant 19:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC) | :It's a pre-release image. --<b>[[User talk:Relicant|<span style="color:#EBEBEB;">The</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|<span style="color:#F08030;">Truth</span>]]</b> aka Relicant 19:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
:: I know. I just find it ironic that when the official site describes how Freeze-Dry is super-effective against Water, they show it being used on a ''dragon''. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 01:31, 30 November 2013 (UTC) | :: I know. I just find it ironic that when the official site describes how Freeze-Dry is super-effective against Water, they show it being used on a ''dragon''. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 01:31, 30 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
== Type Effectiveness Chart == | |||
I don't think this is necessary. The only difference between whichever type-chart the battle is using (Inverse or Normal) is that it hits Water super effectively.--[[User:V4Victini|V4Victini]] ([[User talk:V4Victini|talk]]) 10:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
==TCG move== | |||
Is it worth noting in the trivia that Freeze Dry originated [[Articuno_(Fossil_2)|as a TCG move]] but could induce paralysis? I mean [[Psyshock_(move)|Psyshock]] mentions it was a TCG move. [[User:LordHeinz|LordHeinz]] ([[User talk:LordHeinz|talk]]) 01:47, 25 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Regarding the research template on the page (Freeze-Dry and Solid Rock/Filter/Prism Armor?) == | |||
I did some testing with a friend and effectively, Freeze-Dry's super effective damage is reduced if the target has Solid Rock, Filter, or Prism Armor as an ability. If anyone wants/needs to see the battle video, tell me. | |||
As a personal opinion, it seems obvious that it would work, there is no reason why the damage should not be reduced. Who asked this question, anyways? | |||
I also just checked on the wild and Freeze-Dry is affected by Mirror Move. | |||
--[[User:McFlyMan|McFlyMan]] ([[User talk:McFlyMan|talk]]) 05:18, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:First of all, thanks for all your testing efforts. | |||
:The research question asked specifically whether damage is still reduced when the move's supereffective ''only because the target is Water-type''. Did you test that? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:17, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::I did, I tested it on Water-type Pokémon and they still got the damage reduction. Here's a battle video you can consult to see for yourself. | |||
::VBLW-WWWW-WWWP-JAKS | |||
::*Carracosta took 54 HP of damage without Solid Rock, and then it took 33 HP of damage with Solid Rock. | |||
::*Mantyke took 52 HP of Damage without Filter, and then it took 45 HP of damage with Filter. | |||
:: The final turn failed because Mamoswine and Drifblim speed tie, but if I had to guess, I'd say that the damage is also reduced. After all, the three abilities do the same thing. After the battle I made calculations and the damage reduction was correct. [[User:McFlyMan|McFlyMan]] ([[User talk:McFlyMan|talk]]) 19:02, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::In that case, Carracosta confirms it, yes. Thanks. | |||
:::There was a possibility that it's a different kind of super effective, one that Solid Rock etc. do not consider. But as that's not the case, I agree that it's not really mandatory to explicitly mention it; so if you want that removed, I wouldn't oppose. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:24, 5 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::I think the article looks better without the Solid Rock/Filter/Prism Armor specifications. I will remove that part. [[User:McFlyMan|McFlyMan]] ([[User talk:McFlyMan|talk]]) 20:53, 5 July 2018 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 20:53, 5 July 2018
Water is mentioned countless times in the type chart. Not sure if this is an error... JEFLIV (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- It's intentional, the chart is there to demonstrate the effectiveness of the move on type combinations involving Water.--Cold (talk) 22:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- That's overkill. Wouldn't it be quicker just to list super-effectiveness and resistances like this? Users can figure out how it applies to dual-type Pokemon on their own. --Stratelier 05:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
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- Speaking of overkill, I personally don't think this table is necessary at all. Anyone reading the article can easily figure out on their own that the only difference between this move and other ice-type moves is the fact that it's super effective against water-type moves. That's why I don't think it should be on the page. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 16:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
The page image...
I have only one peeve about the image currently used for Freeze-Dry: Tyrantrum, being part Dragon, is naturally vulnerable to Ice anyway. A better illustration would be a picture of Freeze-Drying an actual Water-type (on which it is super effective instead of resisted).
No hurry, though. :) --Stratelier 19:10, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- It's a pre-release image. --The Truth aka Relicant 19:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- I know. I just find it ironic that when the official site describes how Freeze-Dry is super-effective against Water, they show it being used on a dragon. --Stratelier 01:31, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Type Effectiveness Chart
I don't think this is necessary. The only difference between whichever type-chart the battle is using (Inverse or Normal) is that it hits Water super effectively.--V4Victini (talk) 10:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
TCG move
Is it worth noting in the trivia that Freeze Dry originated as a TCG move but could induce paralysis? I mean Psyshock mentions it was a TCG move. LordHeinz (talk) 01:47, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Regarding the research template on the page (Freeze-Dry and Solid Rock/Filter/Prism Armor?)
I did some testing with a friend and effectively, Freeze-Dry's super effective damage is reduced if the target has Solid Rock, Filter, or Prism Armor as an ability. If anyone wants/needs to see the battle video, tell me.
As a personal opinion, it seems obvious that it would work, there is no reason why the damage should not be reduced. Who asked this question, anyways?
I also just checked on the wild and Freeze-Dry is affected by Mirror Move.
--McFlyMan (talk) 05:18, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- First of all, thanks for all your testing efforts.
- The research question asked specifically whether damage is still reduced when the move's supereffective only because the target is Water-type. Did you test that? Nescientist (talk) 18:17, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- I did, I tested it on Water-type Pokémon and they still got the damage reduction. Here's a battle video you can consult to see for yourself.
- VBLW-WWWW-WWWP-JAKS
- Carracosta took 54 HP of damage without Solid Rock, and then it took 33 HP of damage with Solid Rock.
- Mantyke took 52 HP of Damage without Filter, and then it took 45 HP of damage with Filter.
- The final turn failed because Mamoswine and Drifblim speed tie, but if I had to guess, I'd say that the damage is also reduced. After all, the three abilities do the same thing. After the battle I made calculations and the damage reduction was correct. McFlyMan (talk) 19:02, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- In that case, Carracosta confirms it, yes. Thanks.
- There was a possibility that it's a different kind of super effective, one that Solid Rock etc. do not consider. But as that's not the case, I agree that it's not really mandatory to explicitly mention it; so if you want that removed, I wouldn't oppose. Nescientist (talk) 20:24, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- I think the article looks better without the Solid Rock/Filter/Prism Armor specifications. I will remove that part. McFlyMan (talk) 20:53, 5 July 2018 (UTC)