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== Game locations: Trade == | == Game locations: Trade == | ||
hi, I was wondering what it meant when it says the "Game location" in X & Y is "Trade"? like here and for example Swadloon's case. Does it mean Poké Transporter or what? That would still seem weird thought because several other pokémon's pages list "Poké Transporter" explicitly, also for example Seadra has "Trade" as it's obtainium in both XD and Colosseum. so what I'd really like to know is ''how'' do I obtain f.ex. Swadloon/Sewaddle or Chansey in X & Y ? --ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:20, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | hi, I was wondering what it meant when it says the "Game location" in X & Y is "Trade"? like here and for example Swadloon's case. Does it mean Poké Transporter or what? That would still seem weird thought because several other pokémon's pages list "Poké Transporter" explicitly, also for example Seadra has "Trade" as it's obtainium in both XD and Colosseum. so what I'd really like to know is ''how'' do I obtain f.ex. Swadloon/Sewaddle or Chansey in X & Y ? --ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:20, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
== Crystal Version: Another move. == | |||
I was using a crystal cartridge and i got a move that is not mentioned on here. It can be used to give health to a pokemon that is in battle (from memory, even link battles), i had to periodically send chancey in to do softboiled so i could keep using it. I cannot remember it's name, only that it was learned after Egg Bomb. Perhaps it has something to do with the lucky egg? In crystal there is someone who wants to trade a chancey for an aerodactyl, and i sent the one that didnt have the egg. The cartridge has since lost its battery so i dont know the name of it. When using Crystal in an emulator i didnt get the move by Lv70 (blissey by Lv49-50), maybe it was the egg that triggered this event, not sure. So can anyone keep an eye on theirs to see if this useful move comes along? It may replace a move chancey/blissey normally learns [[User:Charlieb000|Charlieb000]] ([[User talk:Charlieb000|talk]]) 01:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
*I've got the Lucky Egg in my emulated Crystal, so I'll be sure to equip it when I finally manage to get Chansey. Sounds kinda like Pokegod stuff though, so I'm not promising anything. --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 22:24, 24 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
* Yeah, this is a few years old, but... I figured I'd point out that this sounds kinda like Softboiled's out-of-battle use, which heals another Pokémon but cuts the user's HP a bit (which would explain why you had to send your Chansey out every now and then to re-heal itself with Softboiled to keep using it.) None of the other healing moves have an out-of-battle option like this, so I can see how it could come across as a weird secret move of some sort the first time somebody stumbled across it. I don't think Softboiled can be used this way in battle, but aside from that detail everything matches up with outside-battle Softboiled. [[User:FnrrfYgmSchnish|FnrrfYgmSchnish]] ([[User talk:FnrrfYgmSchnish|talk]]) 18:10, 4 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Jessie's Chansey == | |||
How about "Jessie's Chansey"? That could be considered a major appearance in the anime. [[User:TheLumioseCityGhostGirl|TheLumioseCityGhostGirl]] ([[User talk:TheLumioseCityGhostGirl|talk]]) 10:26, 28 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Anime Pokédex entries == | |||
Shouldn't we include the Pokédex entry from S&M, specifically SM007? --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 20:35, 4 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
== EP129 appearances & Chansey Nurse training school not mentioned == | |||
In Episode 129 Ignorance is Blissey, significant time during the episode is dedicated to a flashback from Jessie wherein she relives her time as a nurse in training at a school meant to train Chansey as nurses. I believe this should be added to this page under anime appearances, probably in connection with the header which notes they appear as Pokemon Center nurses. --08:33, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[[User:Starsworne|Starsworne]] ([[User talk:Starsworne|talk]]) | |||
:All those Chansey fall under the Nurse Joy's Chansey category. They're not that significant to get a separate mention. The specific Chansey you're talking about is already mentioned on Blissey's article. Its time as a Chansey isn't here because all it did was what any other Chansey owned by Nurse Joy does.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 09:42, 6 May 2018 (UTC) | |||
:Isn't it of interest that there is a location which specifically trains those Chansey, however? Even on the Nurse Joy's Chansey page, this location is not mentioned. [[User:Starsworne|Starsworne]] ([[User talk:Starsworne|talk]]) 09:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Let's Go Pikachu == | |||
I encountered a Chansey in Mt. Moon after reaching a 11x Catch Combo. I note this hear because I'm unsure how Catch Combo affects encounter odds or how this site handles them. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:41, 31 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Behavior in Legends: Arceus worth mentioning? == | |||
Apparently if you're injured [https://youtu.be/2LmXskF4aQ4 Chansey will come to you], and then flee when you've healed. [https://youtu.be/RlqntrCHn28 Blissey does this too.] Is this worth mentioning somewhere? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
:The Biology section would be fine. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 07:16, 1 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Based on... a clover? == | |||
I know it's not a Grass-type, but hear me out. | |||
(1) Chansey's ears share a similar shape and coloring with the tiny flowers on a red clover's roughly egg-shaped flower head. (2) The red clover has medicinal purposes, and Chansey is often depicted as a nurse's assistant. (3) Its elusiveness and green-hued Shiny could reference four-leaf clovers, which we've also seen it holding in official artwork. (4) Four-leaf clovers were also said to protect one against malevolent spirits and Chansey happens to be immune to Ghost-type attacks. [[User:Icycatelf|Icycatelf]] ([[User talk:Icycatelf|talk]]) 23:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Chansey being a Generation I Pokémon doesn't necessarily disqualify it from having a new origin for its design be discovered years later.. but it doesn't really help its case either. While I ''can'' kind of see it, I'm not sure it's clear enough of an inspiration to include. However, if enough people went for it, I wouldn't be against saying something like "Chansey's design bears a passing resemblance to the flower of a clover plant. Red clovers are known to have medicinal properties, which may connect to Chansey's common depiction as a nurse's assistant. Its shiny coloration brings to mind a four-leaf clover, which Chansey has been seen holding in official art." As for your fourth point, I feel it's too tenuous a connection to consider including. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 04:01, 28 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::That's one hell of a stretch. It's not a flower. Full stop. Even if its... hair things looked like petals, which they don't, that's still a stretch.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 05:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::Yeah, I have to admit I was being nice. Like it makes an interesting headcanon I guess, but this isn't the place for that. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 06:01, 28 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::It's not petals, but the whole flowers I'm likening its "ears" to. Those tiny white and pink banana-shaped flowers. And I'm not saying it's a flower, but that it may draw (partial) inspiration from a flower motif. Kind of like how Togetic resembles a tulip (I believe this was mentioned in its origin section before, but I don't see it now). I agree that these similarities could be coincidence though. Just thought it was worth bringing up since a lot of origins on this site are educated guesswork. | |||
https://i.imgur.com/kinSfrq.jpg [[User:Icycatelf|Icycatelf]] ([[User talk:Icycatelf|talk]]) 16:45, 28 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::::Origins of Pokémon species typically involve a degree of speculation, but they should still pass a certain level of scrutiny. At best, the shape of the "ears" share a passing resemblance to the pedals of a clover, but the overall design of Chansey bears no strong resemblance to a clover flower aside from maybe being round and pink, and the ears hang down instead of up like an actual clover. The medicinal connection feels like an extra stretch to make the connection seem more likely. Clovers are not known for being medicinal, they just happen to have medicinal properties, like many, many other plants. And points 3 and 4 are even more tenuous in their connections. Without confirmation from an official source, or new strong textual evidence such as a Pokédex entry, I'd say it's best to leave this be for now. If something new comes up, maybe we can discuss it again then, but I honestly doubt we'll see any good new evidence come out to support this theory, and I think you were well aware that this would be a stretch when you posted it. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 01:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::::Thought I might add, it's probably depicted in art with four-leaf clovers because its name is Lucky in Japanese, and because of its rarity, with four-leaf clovers also being associated with luck and rarity. I feel like this is more likely than it being named Lucky because of it being based on clovers. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 02:33, 29 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Now that I actually look into it, eggs are also linked to luck. In England, it's apparently good luck to come across a white egg or to receive an egg (white or brown) from someone. I still can't help but see a resemblance to red clovers, but now that I know that luck and eggs are related, I'm definitely down for calling all of that a coincidence. [[User:Icycatelf|Icycatelf]] ([[User talk:Icycatelf|talk]]) 20:10, 29 June 2022 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 20:11, 29 June 2022
Evolves
Nowhere on here does it say that Chansey evolves into Blissey. I don't know where that would go, though. Dan 03:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Someone was adding the evolution information for different Pokémon to each article - Taylor, I think. However, come to think of it, I don't think I've seen him add any more in a while, and there's still articles missing that information... if you'd like to contribute, go ahead, just make sure you follow the style that's been established (use the Bulbasaur article as a reference). --Pie 03:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Koala?
Does anyone besides me think that Chansey is based of a Koala??? --Theryguy512 22:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- I see no resemblence between Chansey and a Koala. None at all. --FabuVinny T-C-S 22:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
i also see no remeblences. Dakclaw
I think it's just based on an egg, but they've enhanced it Bomba22 16:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Pikachu?
«Chansey is one of six Pokémon that initially did not evolve into or from another Pokémon, but now is part of a three-stage evolutionary line (the other five being Electabuzz, Magmar, Porygon, Roselia and Pikachu).»
Pikachu in Generation I evolves in Raichu! --Valepert 18:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Is it too late?
I was wondering if there was a way that my chansey could learn softboiled. I didn't evolve my happiny to chansey until it was level 24, due to my leaving exp. share on it and not paying attention. So basically I want to know if my chansey will lean softboiled, or will I have to try and catch a chansey with it already? - unsigned comment from 5k311ing7on (talk • contribs)
- You could probably go to the move relearner with a heart scal. MoldyOrange 19:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)I
- Thank you very much. I haven't played Pokémon since Red so I wasn't too sure what I could do.
Pt. Rarity
Is current;y listed as '???'....asplain plz Flyingemus 02:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
- That means we don't know the rarity yet. i.e. someone has found them in certain routes, but no-one actually knows the rarity yet. Or if they do, it has been overlooked. Based on my encounters in game, I would say that it would either be rare or uncommon. Werdnae 04:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Edit request
There is an image of two Chansey in the anime section, namely "File:EP002 008.jpg". That image has been moved to File:Pokémon Center Chansey.jpg, please change the link so that the redirect at the original filename can be deleted from the Archives. UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 09:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
HG/SS
This article is incomplete. It doesnt say what items it holds in HG/ss - unsigned comment from Fishmonk (talk • contribs)
Lucky Punch
So the Chansey (Pokémon) page says that in Generation I games, Chansey had a 100% chance to be found holding a Lucky Punch. If you click on the link [which redirects to Stat-enhancing item], it says the Lucky Punch was introduced in Generation II. One of these cannot be correct. But which one? Lostdrewid 02:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
- They're both correct, actually. If you trade over a Chansey from RBY, it'll always be holding a Lucky Punch.
- ... or so I hear. :V Anyone want to try that out to double-check? ▫▫ティナ♫★ 02:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Noteable?
is it noteable that chansey's shiny sprite is possiby a refrence to green eggs and ham?--Ash0011 21:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- is it also worth mentioning that this is one of the few pokemon who's evolution cycle spans 3 generations (gains an evolution in 3 different gen)--Ash0011 21:57, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- The green eggs and ham is more of an coincidence. and there's too many Pokemon that do that to be notable Ataro 21:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Cannabal?
Wouldn't Chansey technically be a cannibal given that it eats its own eggs for softboiled? Is Chancey the only cannible in the game? - unsigned comment from Timmyg (talk • contribs)
- no source says it eats the eggs for softboild or that the eggs hatch into other pokemon--Ash0011 21:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Gale of Darkness
Shouldn't it have the list of shadow moves before purification and of normal moves after? - unsigned comment from Geographik0903 (talk • contribs)
- Nevermind, I found it. - unsigned comment from Geographik0903 (talk • contribs)
Born with eggs?
I guess nobody here knows. In reality, the faminine of any animal is born with a specific number of eggs, they cannot create them (So mothers can, in a way, effect the health of your grandchildren if she happens to be malnourished, etc). So it is technically fine for the chancy to have an egg (as for kangaskhan, lets say its a twin). As for happini, lets make up the story that it wants an egg, but its yet to come. Charlieb000 (talk) 08:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
- First, we never make up stories regarding Pokemon information. Our information must come from the games themselves or other reliable source. Second, while all mammals are born with a certain number of eggs, they are born with said eggs in their ovaries. Chansey is born with an egg already laid, which does no happen in real life. Crystal Talian 12:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Gen VI Egg Moves
Chansey can now get Seismic Toss as an egg move. For when the egg move's template is updated to include Gen VI. --KiANGLO (TALK) 02:21, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Game locations: Trade
hi, I was wondering what it meant when it says the "Game location" in X & Y is "Trade"? like here and for example Swadloon's case. Does it mean Poké Transporter or what? That would still seem weird thought because several other pokémon's pages list "Poké Transporter" explicitly, also for example Seadra has "Trade" as it's obtainium in both XD and Colosseum. so what I'd really like to know is how do I obtain f.ex. Swadloon/Sewaddle or Chansey in X & Y ? --ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:20, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Crystal Version: Another move.
I was using a crystal cartridge and i got a move that is not mentioned on here. It can be used to give health to a pokemon that is in battle (from memory, even link battles), i had to periodically send chancey in to do softboiled so i could keep using it. I cannot remember it's name, only that it was learned after Egg Bomb. Perhaps it has something to do with the lucky egg? In crystal there is someone who wants to trade a chancey for an aerodactyl, and i sent the one that didnt have the egg. The cartridge has since lost its battery so i dont know the name of it. When using Crystal in an emulator i didnt get the move by Lv70 (blissey by Lv49-50), maybe it was the egg that triggered this event, not sure. So can anyone keep an eye on theirs to see if this useful move comes along? It may replace a move chancey/blissey normally learns Charlieb000 (talk) 01:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
- I've got the Lucky Egg in my emulated Crystal, so I'll be sure to equip it when I finally manage to get Chansey. Sounds kinda like Pokegod stuff though, so I'm not promising anything. --GARY-DOS (talk) 22:24, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, this is a few years old, but... I figured I'd point out that this sounds kinda like Softboiled's out-of-battle use, which heals another Pokémon but cuts the user's HP a bit (which would explain why you had to send your Chansey out every now and then to re-heal itself with Softboiled to keep using it.) None of the other healing moves have an out-of-battle option like this, so I can see how it could come across as a weird secret move of some sort the first time somebody stumbled across it. I don't think Softboiled can be used this way in battle, but aside from that detail everything matches up with outside-battle Softboiled. FnrrfYgmSchnish (talk) 18:10, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Jessie's Chansey
How about "Jessie's Chansey"? That could be considered a major appearance in the anime. TheLumioseCityGhostGirl (talk) 10:26, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Anime Pokédex entries
Shouldn't we include the Pokédex entry from S&M, specifically SM007? --Raltseye prata med mej 20:35, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
EP129 appearances & Chansey Nurse training school not mentioned
In Episode 129 Ignorance is Blissey, significant time during the episode is dedicated to a flashback from Jessie wherein she relives her time as a nurse in training at a school meant to train Chansey as nurses. I believe this should be added to this page under anime appearances, probably in connection with the header which notes they appear as Pokemon Center nurses. --08:33, 6 May 2018 (UTC)Starsworne (talk)
- All those Chansey fall under the Nurse Joy's Chansey category. They're not that significant to get a separate mention. The specific Chansey you're talking about is already mentioned on Blissey's article. Its time as a Chansey isn't here because all it did was what any other Chansey owned by Nurse Joy does.--ForceFire 09:42, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- Isn't it of interest that there is a location which specifically trains those Chansey, however? Even on the Nurse Joy's Chansey page, this location is not mentioned. Starsworne (talk) 09:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Let's Go Pikachu
I encountered a Chansey in Mt. Moon after reaching a 11x Catch Combo. I note this hear because I'm unsure how Catch Combo affects encounter odds or how this site handles them. Drake Clawfang (talk) 18:41, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Behavior in Legends: Arceus worth mentioning?
Apparently if you're injured Chansey will come to you, and then flee when you've healed. Blissey does this too. Is this worth mentioning somewhere? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 02:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Based on... a clover?
I know it's not a Grass-type, but hear me out.
(1) Chansey's ears share a similar shape and coloring with the tiny flowers on a red clover's roughly egg-shaped flower head. (2) The red clover has medicinal purposes, and Chansey is often depicted as a nurse's assistant. (3) Its elusiveness and green-hued Shiny could reference four-leaf clovers, which we've also seen it holding in official artwork. (4) Four-leaf clovers were also said to protect one against malevolent spirits and Chansey happens to be immune to Ghost-type attacks. Icycatelf (talk) 23:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Chansey being a Generation I Pokémon doesn't necessarily disqualify it from having a new origin for its design be discovered years later.. but it doesn't really help its case either. While I can kind of see it, I'm not sure it's clear enough of an inspiration to include. However, if enough people went for it, I wouldn't be against saying something like "Chansey's design bears a passing resemblance to the flower of a clover plant. Red clovers are known to have medicinal properties, which may connect to Chansey's common depiction as a nurse's assistant. Its shiny coloration brings to mind a four-leaf clover, which Chansey has been seen holding in official art." As for your fourth point, I feel it's too tenuous a connection to consider including. Landfish7 04:01, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's one hell of a stretch. It's not a flower. Full stop. Even if its... hair things looked like petals, which they don't, that's still a stretch.--ForceFire 05:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I have to admit I was being nice. Like it makes an interesting headcanon I guess, but this isn't the place for that. Landfish7 06:01, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's not petals, but the whole flowers I'm likening its "ears" to. Those tiny white and pink banana-shaped flowers. And I'm not saying it's a flower, but that it may draw (partial) inspiration from a flower motif. Kind of like how Togetic resembles a tulip (I believe this was mentioned in its origin section before, but I don't see it now). I agree that these similarities could be coincidence though. Just thought it was worth bringing up since a lot of origins on this site are educated guesswork.
- Yeah, I have to admit I was being nice. Like it makes an interesting headcanon I guess, but this isn't the place for that. Landfish7 06:01, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's one hell of a stretch. It's not a flower. Full stop. Even if its... hair things looked like petals, which they don't, that's still a stretch.--ForceFire 05:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Icycatelf (talk) 16:45, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Origins of Pokémon species typically involve a degree of speculation, but they should still pass a certain level of scrutiny. At best, the shape of the "ears" share a passing resemblance to the pedals of a clover, but the overall design of Chansey bears no strong resemblance to a clover flower aside from maybe being round and pink, and the ears hang down instead of up like an actual clover. The medicinal connection feels like an extra stretch to make the connection seem more likely. Clovers are not known for being medicinal, they just happen to have medicinal properties, like many, many other plants. And points 3 and 4 are even more tenuous in their connections. Without confirmation from an official source, or new strong textual evidence such as a Pokédex entry, I'd say it's best to leave this be for now. If something new comes up, maybe we can discuss it again then, but I honestly doubt we'll see any good new evidence come out to support this theory, and I think you were well aware that this would be a stretch when you posted it. Landfish7 01:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thought I might add, it's probably depicted in art with four-leaf clovers because its name is Lucky in Japanese, and because of its rarity, with four-leaf clovers also being associated with luck and rarity. I feel like this is more likely than it being named Lucky because of it being based on clovers. Landfish7 02:33, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Now that I actually look into it, eggs are also linked to luck. In England, it's apparently good luck to come across a white egg or to receive an egg (white or brown) from someone. I still can't help but see a resemblance to red clovers, but now that I know that luck and eggs are related, I'm definitely down for calling all of that a coincidence. Icycatelf (talk) 20:10, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thought I might add, it's probably depicted in art with four-leaf clovers because its name is Lucky in Japanese, and because of its rarity, with four-leaf clovers also being associated with luck and rarity. I feel like this is more likely than it being named Lucky because of it being based on clovers. Landfish7 02:33, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Origins of Pokémon species typically involve a degree of speculation, but they should still pass a certain level of scrutiny. At best, the shape of the "ears" share a passing resemblance to the pedals of a clover, but the overall design of Chansey bears no strong resemblance to a clover flower aside from maybe being round and pink, and the ears hang down instead of up like an actual clover. The medicinal connection feels like an extra stretch to make the connection seem more likely. Clovers are not known for being medicinal, they just happen to have medicinal properties, like many, many other plants. And points 3 and 4 are even more tenuous in their connections. Without confirmation from an official source, or new strong textual evidence such as a Pokédex entry, I'd say it's best to leave this be for now. If something new comes up, maybe we can discuss it again then, but I honestly doubt we'll see any good new evidence come out to support this theory, and I think you were well aware that this would be a stretch when you posted it. Landfish7 01:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC)