Talk:Spiritomb (Pokémon)

Level in the wild

What level does this pokémon appear in the wild at? I seen to be unable to find this information anywhere. (Of course, I might have just not looked hard enough...) --[[User:Tatrion|Tatrion]

It appears at the Hallowed Tower after talking to 32 people underground at level 25 (See entry for Hallowed Tower.) Yugiohguy1 16:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Two things Spiritomb and Sableye have in common

Having weaknesses to no type is one of the things Spiritomb and Sableye have in common. Another thing Spiritomb and Sableye have in common is that they are both Dual Dark and Ghost types. FREAKAZOID

That's the reason for their lack of weaknesses. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 22:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. FREAKAZOID.

Jeez... People. Spiritomb/Sableye does have a weakness. To fighting, use foresight to hit ghosts with fighting, and hit it. Its supereffective.

Naturally, it doesn't. After using Miracle Eye and Foresight doesn't count, because they aren't automatic. TTEchidna 03:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

what about Kangaskhan and Miltank's "Scrappy" ability? doesn't that account for anything?

They're the only Pokémon that have no PERMANENT weakness to any type. Abilities like Scrappy and moves like Foresight are only TEMPORARY ways of giving them a weakness; without resorting to those moves/Abilities, they have no weakness. Diachronos 17:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Eggs Moves

Should we add about that Spiritomb can learn Shadow Ball from breeding??? Since I breed the Spiritomb with my Misdreavus. And It have Shadow Ball and Pain Split as it egg moves. chungkingpun 13:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It got Shadow Ball because Spiritomb can learn it from a TM, not because it's an Egg Move. Master Lucario

Fly?

So, I was doing some breeding and I bred my Drifblim and my Spiritomb and when Spiritomb came out of the egg, it had Fly as a move, along with Shadow Ball, Confuse Ray, and Ominous Wind. Even after that, I hatched more Spiritomb eggs and they all had Fly as a move. Drifblim was the father and knew Fly, along with Shadow Ball and Ominous Wind. Spiritomb of course was the mother, with Shadow Ball, Ominous Wind, Silver Wind, and Dark Pulse. Does anyone know why? --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 03:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

That's odd...I've never seen that before. --Chocolate 01:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't have Wi-fi or that stuff to trade to someone for proof. But one of their detail screens has this information: a Timid Nature, Mischievous characteristic, Fly, Shadow Ball, Confuse Ray, and Ominous Wind, egg received August 30, hatched August 31st, female, hatched at Lv 1 at Solaceon Town. I don't have an Action Replay or Gameshark so I know it wasn't a move modifier. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 01:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll try that myself and see what happens. --Chocolate 21:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I have tried it. Oddly enough, it works. Maybe someone should add it. But i think someone else should check, just to be on the safe side. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 17:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Spiritomb/Rotom/Lucario/etc.

It varies from person to person, but I know some hardcore Pokémon fans who claim that rare 'semi-Legendaries' like Lucario and Rotom should be given some special classification. Has this ever been a consideration (I'm neutral on the issue itself)? LordArceus

Hmmm... i have seen it happen before. Maybe a page called "Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary Pokémon" would work. I'll ask Turtwig A. He'll know. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 17:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I know nothing about it. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 17:40, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

No. They're not even semi-legendary. And it doesn't matter if they're hardcore fans. Some people would consider Charizard, or anybody else that has a good sweep, as a semi-legendary. Lucario definitely isn't, seeing as how common it and Riolu are, Rotom is just rare, and Spiritomb is the same situation as Rotom. No need for a page. That's like saying that Feebas and Milotic are semi-legendary because of how hard they are to find. R.A. Hunter Blade 19:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Its possible origin

It might base on one of the Four Great Classical Novels of Chinese literature, Water Margin (traditional Chinese: 水滸傳; simplified Chinese: 水浒传; pinyin: Shuǐhǔ Zhuàn) (also Outlaws of the Marsh, All Men Are Brothers or The Marshes of Mount Liang). Its opening episode is the release of the 108 spirits. For knowing more info, here is for you:

English Language Wikipedia's Info of Water Margin

Chinese Language Wikipedia's Info of Water Margin

Chinese Language Baike's Info of Water Margin

P/S: I am Chinese, so my English is sucks. If you have any difficult in understanding what I type when viewing this one, I am sorry about it. - unsigned comment from 06cloud (talk • contribs)

Sucker Punch?

I just noticed this, but how can it use that move when it has no apparent limbs?Morgil27 20:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Look at the Japanese name... It has nothing to do with punching. It's just a figure of speech. --ケンジのガール 20:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

108 and Legion

"In Pokémon Diamond, Spiritomb's entry states that it was formed from 108 spirits. Incidentally, Spiritomb's number in the Sinnoh Pokédex is 108, its Defense and Special Defense base values are 108, and it weighs exactly 108.0 kilograms." This bit of trivia makes it sound like it's all a coincidence, but that's highly unlikely. Does anyone else think this bit should be changed to reflect the obvious references here?

Also, I'm going to take down the part about the Legion demon being a possible inspiration for Legion, since I really doubt that Nintendo would intentionally make a Pokemon based on a demon, especially considering all the heat they get simply from perceived Satanism. --Dual 08:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I fail to see your point about the Legion thing. Especially considering how it refers to itself as "We". IMO i don't think that should've been removed. Morgil27 08:44, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Odd piece of trivia

It's always been said that there's no such thing as an evil Pokémon - yet it is stated that Spiritomb was clearly cruel and evil, enough so to be sealed away. Any thoughts? I'd add it to the trivia section but (stating the obvious), it's protected. ^^; Lucadan ^(Talk) 15:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

In other languages

Between "means" and what the character means, mentally add ", among other things,", as languages like Korean, Chinese and Japanese use the same symbols to mean different things, and it can be hard to tell which meaning was intended.

Korean: 화 means "flower", 강 means "river", and 돌 means "stone"; there is also the word 화강 which means "granite". This suggests that the Korean name for Spiritomb is either "flower river stone" or "granite stone", neither of which really makes sense. Are you sure that 화강돌 is the actual Korean name?

Chinese: 花 means "multicolored" or "flowery", 岩 means "rock", and 怪 means "monster". So the Chinese name for Spiritomb is something along the lines of "multicolored/flowery rock monster", which kinda makes sense.

Japanese (side note): 軽石 just means "light stone", and is used to refer to pumice; it does not actually mean "pumice". This could be a reference to the fact that Spiritomb resides in stones, and yet it is itself a ghost (therefore light). 御影石 is used to refer to granite, but the characters mean "honorable shadow stone", which is a fitting description of the Odd Keystone.

The Token Asian Guy 00:35, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Based on Irish mythology?

According to the origin section: "Spiritomb could also be based on 'The Elemental,' an indescribable primitive ghost created from countless spirts that derive from Irish Mythology." I really kind of doubt that Spiritomb could be based on an Irish myth...should it really be included? Wolf 03:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Why? Because it's Irish? I did find something here and here though. I think it's just as plausible as the Chinese and Buddhist myths, although they're both Asian myths and much closer to Japan. But, Spiritomb was created in the last few years, instead of a hundred years ago where it definitely wouldn't be based off of the Elemental. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Met at level 62?

Recently I was on the GTS and found a spiritomb up for trade. I had what the person wanted, and got it. When I looked at it's summery, it said that it had been caught with a masterball, at level 62, at the pokemon league! It has the same moves as Karen's spiritomb, and is at the same level. Is there a cheat that allows you to catch trainers pokemon? I also got a gardevior caught in the same manner, and and it has the same moves as Will's gardevior. - unsigned comment from Fishmonk (talk • contribs)

Yeah, there is a cheat to capture trainers' Pokémon. Using an Action Replay. Both Spiritomb and Gardevoir are hacked. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 15:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Methods of Obtaining Spiritomb

• As of Black and White, all methods of obtaining Spiritomb in the main games (discounting breeding) involve connecting with another device (another player's Nintendo DS or the Pokéwalker).

Well, first off, B/W can't connect with the Pokewalker. This means that the only way to get it is by connecting with another person's DS - ie, transferring it from a Gen. IV game. That's the only way to obtain a number of Pokemon in Gen. V, so this piece of "trivia" is kind of pointless, don't you think? King Riolu 11:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

HeartGold and SoulSilver. That's what connects to the Pokewalker. Ataro 11:18, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I read that wrong. Thought it said "in" Black and White rather than "as of" Black and White. King Riolu 11:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

In the anime

Why do we have the minor appearances thing? We probably won't see Spiritomb for a while, especially since it's only has 1 appearance in about 10 years. Should we just take out the minor appearances part? --Pringles 04:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

It's there because that's how the structure should be like. Regardless if it's empty or not, it stays. - unsigned comment from Force Fire (talk • contribs)

Possible more likely origin for Spiritomb

I'm not so sure that Spiritomb's 108 spirits are meant to be directly referencing the ringing of a bell 108 times in Buddhist tradition, so much as a reference to the 108 spirits that were sealed away for centuries and then released at the beginning of the old Chinese novel Water Margin. Within the story, the spirits (or demons, depending on translation) were evil and had been sealed away centuries before (presumably because of their evil actions) and were not to be released because they would cause trouble and disaster if they were. This closely parallels both Spiritomb's pokedex entries referencing it being made of spirits being sealed away for "misdeeds" or to prevent it from doing "mischief" and so on, as well as its portrayal in the anime in The Keystone Pops where again, Spiritomb was sealed away for misdeeds and caused trouble upon being carelessly released. Admittedly, the 108 spirits in Water Margin probably came from Buddhist tradition in the first place (even though the spirits in the novel were sealed in a Taoist temple...) however Spritiomb seems to clearly be based more directly on the concept of "108 spirits sealed under/in a stone that would cause problems if released" rather than "108 temptations to be banished once a year". Even the species name of "Forbidden" pokemon reflects the forbidden nature of releasing the 108 spirits, with the Taoist priests telling Marshal Hong they don't know any details about the demons, just that it's forbidden to release them. (Or alternatively, the Japanese species name of "Sealed" again reflects the spirits that were sealed away and not to be released.) Since Water Margin is very, very famous both in China and Japan (the entire Suikoden series of games is loosely based on it!) I think this is a more realistic inspiration for Spiritomb than a single Buddhist tradition that doesn't explain other details like the presence of the Odd Keystone and such. --ACDragonMaster (talk) 19:20, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Fly

I dont know how to add it, but if you breed a male difblim and a female spiritomb the egg pokmon knows fly only if drifblim knows fly this should be addded as an egg movee.Pokemon nomekop (talk) 00:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

In which game(s) you have done it? I think it can be added when we know in which games it works.--電禅Den Zen 00:44, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the bad spelling, wasnt paying attention. Anyway, I did it in generation IV. Pokemon nomekop (talk) 00:47, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Specifically which game? Just because it works in one Generation IV game doesn't mean that it works in all of them.--電禅Den Zen 00:53, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

It didn't work for me in any game. Maybe it's been fixed in European versions?--電禅Den Zen 15:13, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Spiritomb's gender?

I just scrubbed this from the Trivia section:

• While it is composed of multiple souls, it is gendered. This could mean that every soul composing a Spiritomb has the same gender.

This is just speculation. Other ideas about Spiritomb's gendered status could be:

• Majority of souls being one gender
• Dominant soul(s) being one gender
• Souls are genderless and only the physical body (the Odd Keystone) is gendered

It's never canonically explained if Spiritomb's gender has any meaning about the individual souls contained inside it, so all of the above are just equal fan speculation, not fact. --Stratelier 18:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

anime picture

the page really needs an anime picture that isn't an animation error(the two swirly eye things) 0danmaster0 (talk) 12:19, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

It's not an error, as there are many images in different media where it has two swirls. It's just like how Hoothoot can be seen with both of its legs.--電禅Den Zen 12:29, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

How to get Spiritomb in Generation IV?

I know in the past, there have been people who have added the ways to get Spiritomb on its main page, but almost everything the main editors don't approve of gets taken down, regardless of it being helpful or not. Since no one will approve it on this page, can I just ask how to get Spiritomb in gen IV on here? I can't find it and don't see it anywhere else on Bulbapedia and on other pages, they say you have to keep talking to people in the Underground, but I have tried that and it still hasn't worked. I don't have Black and White 2, which are the only other games I could get it from to migrate. - unsigned comment from Mcheetah (talk • contribs)

All the information you need is here. --Carmen★ (Talk | contribs) 21:21, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Spiritomb based on Chinese folklore

As other people have mentioned, the 108 spirits may be based on the 108 characters of The Water Margin. However, there is one more piece of proof of Spiritomb's Chinese origin.

"Imprisoned in a rock for 500 years due to past misdeeds". This happens in "Journey to the West" to Sun Wukong, the monkey demon and main character of the book. He was born from a rock on top of a mountain, traveled to Heaven and then caused so much mischief that Buddha imprisoned him in a rock for 500 years. Beldarius (talk) 19:52, 30 October 2016 (UTC)