Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 5

ASH'S AGE IS INDETERMINATE! AS OF EPISODE 1, HE IS 10 AS FAR AS IT'S KNOWN! PLEASE DO NOT POST ABOUT IT!

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Someone edit the Trivia section?

On the trivia section, it mentions Ash's Monferno. Considering its evolved, shouldn't someone change that. I tried but the page is protected :( Jake200493 16:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

remember, new discussions go at the bottom of a talk page. and yes it should be changed. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 16:31, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Ash's Gible...

Look, I tried to insert it in because it's fact that he's getting one. If it was just people talking on the forum, then I could let it stay off. However, we have had a Yahoo Japanese Shopping Catalogue AND Amazon.com explicitly refer to a Gible Toy that's being released as being "Ash's Gible". THAT'S why it needs to be in this article's trivia section, if anywhere. Don't believe me? Check these out:

1. http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/mizota/100700793.html 2. http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=10540887&postcount=1 3. http://www.amazon.co.jp/バンダイ-ポケットモンスター-キメわざポケモンキッズDP4-BOX-食玩/dp/B002QQ7C4I

Ok, so technically, number two was a forum post, but it supplied the translation of what #1 said. For number 3, here's the Japanese Text:

商品紹介 ポケモンがわざを繰り出す瞬間を立�� �化した『キメわざポケモンキッズ』D Pシリーズ第4弾。幻のポケモンの「ア ルセウス」「ジラーチ」を中心にル�� �ー・サファイヤの初期ポケモンであ� ��「キモリ」「アチャモ」「ミズゴロ ウ」もラインナップ。さらにサトシ�� �新たなる仲間のポケモンとなる「フ� ��マル」をラインナップしている。（ 全15種類）

Also, Babelfish did a translation on the last portion of the sentence, and here's what it said:

"Furthermore it becomes [pokemon] of the companion where [satoshi] becomes new “[fukamaru]” is lined up. (All the 15 types)"

Weedle Mchairybug 19:47, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Remeber.....Wait until it happens! Never Give Up Pika 19:48, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

How do you know that the catalog didn't see the title of DP145 and automatically assumed Ash was going to capture Gible? I wouldn't be surprised. And these stupid websites take forever to update their information. --ケンジのガール 19:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Simple, they said "by the end of the year". If they were referring to DP145, they wouldn't have said "by the end of the year" (By the end of the year implies that it would happen by the last week of December, not in the middle of September). Weedle Mchairybug 19:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

End of the year doesn't always mean the last week of December. Sometimes it can mean the beginning of Fall. The episode aired October 1st. They saw the air date and just said "the end of the year". And for all I know, it's not an accurate translation. It's best to keep this off the pages. --ケンジのガール 20:01, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Weedle, we can't be 100% sure of anything. It's not fact, it's speculation. It might happen. It might not happen. Not to mention, even if it's true, it's a spoiler. --electAbuzzzz 20:10, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, either way, Bulbanews just announced that Ash will be catching a Gible. - unsigned comment from Weedle Mchairybug (talk • contribs)

Well, either way, we wait 'til it happens. That's how it is, and how's its been for awhile. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 01:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the section about Ash as a character

Much of it is convoluted and poorly constructed. The problem appears to be that new contributions are not seamlessly integrated with those already in place, resulting in a lack of observable rhyme or reason. This hinders the flow of the writing, making the entire segment sub-par.

Bulbapedia has standards for a reason, and it is to avoid something like this happening as the result of numerous individuals contributing to one article. As it stands, I feel the entire section should be cleaned up and revised. Vipera 21:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I Agree. - Vhayes1992 22:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Go on then. Show us what you're made of ;) —darklordtrom 05:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Forgive me if I misinterpreted the tone of your comment, but I read it as being awfully snide.

I've already done some minor stylistic and grammatical revision to the section in question and plan to overhaul it using the information already present, but that's about all I can do. I'm not as knowledgeable about Ash as most others here since I'm only up to EP224 and therefore hesitant to make contributions in the form of information - I would likely be mistaken on many subjects since my anime experience is incomplete at best and woefully lacking at the very worst.

The appeal of a wiki lies in the fact that multiple users can contribute to a single article in numerous ways, as each brings to the table different skill sets and areas of expertise. That is why I've called attention to this issue. I can't make the necessary improvements alone. Vipera 06:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Uh, sorry. I didn't mean it like that and I don't consider myself to be a "snide" person. I was merely trying to encourage you to be bold and take on the section. I know less about the anime than you do, otherwise I'd offer help as well. One of the things I enjoy about a wiki is going out and editing something, and watching how others adapt and improve my own work. —darklordtrom 08:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Telepathic side of Aura and Pikachu

I was thinking, is it possible that Ash was using Latent Aura powers to understand Pikachu? I know it wasn't invented till gen 4, but it's something to mention as a possibility. --Jono R 22:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Thats speculation, probabaly not true SpecialK Leiks Lucario and believe in Missingno. Master's Celebi Glitch because i caught one! 15:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Azelf

I think Azelf should be added, because not only was it legendary. But also because Ash commanded it and he actually had a telepathic bond to it. Aside from Riolu how often does that happen? --Dman dustin 22:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Didn't do it for Riolu, why do it for Azelf? --ケンジのガール 23:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to say that it's because Azelf had more of a story than Riolu. This whole Pixie storyline began with Dawn and Mesprit. Which culminated to DP151 and DP152. Where we have Ash, Brock, and Dawn being telepathically connected to the pixies. Ash, Brock, and Dawn could feel when something bad happened to them. And when the pixies were in real trouble, the human trio teleported to them from Cynthia's Jeep right in the middle of Team Galactic's headquarters. Then when Ash, Brock, and Dawn saved them from the red crystal/chain the pixies allowed them to order them commands. Besides how are Raichu, Spoink, and Mantyke more notable? Raichu only got an episode while Spoink and Mantyke got very little screen time. How they are more notable then Riolu or Azelf is beyond me. --Dman dustin 02:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

My two cents: I think Ash's connection with Azelf is totally important, and I was very nearly about to side with you, but after thinking about it I figured that if Azelf were to be added, it would have to be in a "befriended" section. And if we gave Ash a "befriended" section, then we'd have to list ALL the Pokemon he befriended, and I think that alone could very well crash the server. (An exaggeration, but you get the point.) But their connection should still be mentioned - and I think it's possibly even important enough to be given its own paragraph in the "character" section, instead of just being added on to the paragraph about his connection with legendary Pokemon. I say this because there was buildup to this over the course of DP, and is thus monumental enough to have quite a bit said about it. The same goes for Dawn and Brock, and their respective pixies. 梅子^❀_✿ 02:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Ash's VA died

Ash's current German VA, Veronika Neugebauer, apparently died in 11th October Link. Think it should be mentioned somewhere? J-J-M 00:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

...no. It could be an article on Bulbanews. CuboneKing 00:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd say news it. TTEchidna 00:41, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

That is tragic and a person who works for pokemon should be recognized AT LEAST. - Vhayes1992 01:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Well if it is to be mentioned, it shouldn't be later. It's already been quite some time since she died. J-J-M 14:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

There's a template on Bulbanews that says "this article was made late". CuboneKing 17:35, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Let's do it up. - Vhayes1992 19:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

DP156- Protection Request!

The title has been revealed, so i think Ash's Page should be protected, along with the episode as well. thanks- User:BAC510 21 November 2009, 18:39 (UTC)

Don't forget the Gible page. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 18:44, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

If someone ruins it for everyone else, then we'll do it then. Why inconvenience the other editors? —darklordtrom 06:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Ash's befriended pokemon

someone that knows more about editing the pages should put a full list of all legendary pokemon ash has encountered and befriended - unsigned comment from Refresh12 (talk • contribs)

Bulbapedia does not list the vast number of Pokémon Ash has befriended simply because there are so many. The only main character who gets a "befriended" section is Max on account of him having no Poké Balls. —darklordtrom 02:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

There's already a list of the legendaries he has a connection with in the actual text anyway. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 14:16, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

VA list

The bit about Jamie Peacock should be edited to say (first dub only) next to the Mastermind part, to avoid confusion. Flicky1991 20:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible?

To protect only the Pokémon section of this article? Just to prevent people from unhiding the you-know-what.--ForceFire 02:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

No. If it becomes a problem, the whole article will have to be protected. —darklordtrom 03:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Hoenn Lineup Trivia

Should it be noted that each of the Pokémon Ash caught in Hoenn was weak to the type of the Pokémon that was placed on his Hoenn line up before it? If that didn't make sense, here is a bit better/ easier way of explaining it: Pikachu/Electric > Tailow/Flying > Treecko/Grass > Corphish/Water > Torkoal/Fire > Snorunt/Ice. If its notable enough, then could an administrator add it?--Skystar 20:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

He did this in every region, if I remember correctly.--WikiTomas 09:38, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Not Sinnoh. Ground/Flying isn't super effective against Ground/Dragon. In Kanto, he caught Muk then Tauros. In Johto he caught Totodile then Noctowl, and Water isn't strong against Flying/Normal. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 23:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Stub?

This article seems to be categorized as a stub. I assume this is some sort of mistake, but is there actually a reason? --Jared 05:14, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The "In the manga" section is stubbish --ZestyCactus 05:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. I didn't notice the stub banner in the manga section, I just saw this article in the stub category. Thanks for the clarification. --Jared 05:39, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Ash's Legendary Friends

I couldn't find any edit button on Ash's page and I couldn't figure out how to contact the mods of this site, so I brought my question here; please let me know if this is not the place or if this is not how to get information.

I was reading Ash's page when I came suddenly to Ash's Legendary friends, it claims he has a close connection with Ho-Oh, Lugia, Latias, Azelf, Shaymin and Giratina. Where is Mewtwo? The two had a rough start but Ash also has a close connection to Mewtwo. Afterall, It was Ash who softened Mewtwo in the first movie and in the Pokemon Special: Mewtwo's Return, Mewtwo calls Ash and "Unique human, one of a kind." and they part by saying how they'll always remember each other. Mewtwo is also able to contact Ash even over long distances. I think Mewtwo should be added to that list of Ash's legendary friends. - unsigned comment from Artbender (talk • contribs)

Ash's page is currently protected due to upcoming anime things. Mewtwo's kinda... I dunno. I suppose you could say that he and Ash have a friendship, but as for any ability to contact Ash? Um. Wha? TTEchidna 10:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I think he's talking about when Ash heard Mewtwo's voice at the end of Mewtwo Returns. Mewtwo may have just been hiding in the city somewhere, so who knows exactly how far away they were, but I recall reading somewhere on Bulbapedia that the city they then show Mewtwo watching over/hiding in resembles New York City, so it could be assumed that he was far away. But even if that part is left out, I'd definitely include Mewtwo as one of Ash's legendary friends. --Jared 22:35, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Jared! that's exactly what I ment. - unsigned comment from Artbender (talk • contribs)

about gym battles

it is revealed that sunyshore gym battle will be in DP164 so please it is not 35 it is 37 episodes--Branfili 17:55, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

It is revealed that Volkner will appear in DP165, but there is nothing confirming a gym battle, or badge acquisition. I guess the episode count should be changed at this point though - apparently it's said "35 episodes" for about three weeks now. 梅子^❄_❅ 19:04, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Identifying Genders

I was wondering if it would be a good idea to identify a Pokémon's gender (when confirmed) for a main character in the new link boxes. For example:

File:Ash Pikachu HD.png Pikachu ♂	Buizel ♂	Gible ♂
Bulbasaur ♂	File:Ash's Bayleef.png Chikorita → Bayleef ♀	File:AshAipom.png Aipom ♀

Just this is the way it's displayed for the manga characters, so we might as well implement it for the anime characters as well. What does everyone think? Watchermark 12:56, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that most Pokémon in the anime don't have confirmed genders. Only.... 25% maybe. Give or take a few. And are you asking that we use the link boxes for only the ones that have been confirmed? Or use it for all, but keep the genders off? R.A. Hunter Blade 13:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Keep the link boxes for all, but keep the genders off the ones that aren't confirmed. Ash's party would look like:

File:Ash Pikachu HD.png Pikachu ♂	Starly → Staravia → Staraptor ♂	File:Ash'sGrotle.png Turtwig → Grotle
Chimchar → Monferno	Buizel ♂	Gible♂

Watchermark 14:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... I think that'd be fine, but I'll ask Kenji anyways. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I guess it's okay. --ケンジのガール 22:40, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I think Aipom's gender was already confirmed in AG (May stating "I guess Aipom's a girl after all"), and I think Nurse Joy explicitly referred to Bayleef as a she when examining her as a Chikorita. Weedle Mchairybug 23:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, we know. He was just talking about the ones that aren't confirmed. Ash's Squirtle, Misty's Politoed, etc. --ケンジのガール 23:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'll start doing the main characters now (apart from Ash, since the page is protected until next week). Watchermark 00:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Ash's Pikachu still unconfirmed as well, or did something new happen on that front? -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 02:45, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Attracted to a female Togepi. 梅子^❄_❅ 02:47, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Replace Monferno's pic with Infernape.--♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 12:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Agreed --Jason Tong 20:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Obsolete trivia

Could someone remove this?

The three Fire-type starter Pokémon Ash owns are each at a different evolutionary stage. Cyndaquil is in its first, Monferno its second, and Charizard its third.

Monferno evolved in the latest episode, so it's no longer true. Also, if that was worthy of being mentioned, then perhaps it should be mentioned that Kingler is the only water-type Pokémon he's evolved so far. --エルレイド 08:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

This is Obsolete and should be removed. I'm surprise no one tried to make a similar trivia saying that, "out of all the grass types he has"

It should at least be changed to something more trivial and up to date. Like how Ash has never evolved a Water-type Starter to its final form, but has evolved one grass type and two fire types.

Please will a mod remove the thing, or re-enable the edit feature. why is the edit feature even disabled? it makes it a hassle to do much of anything in terms of doing our jobs as editors and collaborators. Yami 01:52, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

The article is protected due to editors adding unverified information about Ash's Pokémon and future evolutions. It will be unprotected once all information has been officially confirmed (or denied). —darklordtrom 10:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Hair color

Don't know if it was mentioned before, but anyone noticed Ash's hair has a greenish shade to it? It isn't just pure black so I think it should be put up in the infobox. J-J-M 14:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Really? I think its black (as usual). --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 14:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Look at some of the movie 11 screenshots, especially at the ones where Ash's hair is wet. It looks distinctly green. J-J-M 15:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Well I don't know about movie 11 but I noticed this thing in one scene from movie 12 (when Ash & co found some water melons in the water) ash's hairs were a bit green(ish) but it can be a wet animation effect too. What do you think? --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 15:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Here are the movie 11 screenshots. It definitely looks green. [1] J-J-M 15:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I am getting confused now :( --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 15:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

About the supposed "different" hair colors? J-J-M 15:58, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh my god, and we were joking just a few days ago that someone would try disputing Ash's hair color next...

It's black. It is staying as black in the infobox. Some hints of dark green/blue? Sure, maybe, but it's not worth mentioning. 梅子^❄_❅ 19:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Can't believe that actually happened either..... but anyways. If you didn't notice, his hair only has a greenish tint when it's wet. That's normal for an anime to have a tint on wet hair, though it depends on the original color. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Fine, but I guess it could go on trivia? J-J-M 11:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

No, because it is common for wet hair to be tinted a different colour. That's how they show it's wet. —darklordtrom 11:15, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

That sort of color "change" has never been shown for other characters before, especially in this show, so it is kinda notable. J-J-M 11:59, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Noteworthy Or Not?

Is it worth noting that ash has died twice? Once in Movie One and Also in Movie 8 (He was consumed by the anti-bodies). --Manaphy1 12:44, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

3 Times (remember the gastly, haunter and gengar episode?) SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 17:10, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

That wasn't dying in EP023. I forget where, but there's a whole discussion about it. And I wouldn't really count the antibodies in Movie 8. Yes, they consumed them, but they were in a sense, spit back out by the tree. That's debatable though... R.A. Hunter Blade 04:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

So Shall I Add It then? --Manaphy1 17:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Nah. If we can prove that he died in Movie 8, then yes. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)