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Battle judge

Nice article. Just remember that when you create pages you should link to them in other articles so that people can find them (and improve them!). If they don't get links they'll end up on this dungheap. Cheers, —darklordtrom 11:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

It was late, trom. x_x That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 12:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Feeling Shipping

I have noticed no one made a Yellow and Green page yet.is it ok if i make one? - unsigned comment from Rubybrendan (talk • contribs)

Administrative note: moved here from Luna's talk archive —darklordtrom 08:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

A question

Ah... hello. I have a question relating a shipping article that I started (sorry, did so without permission...) and was deleted by Magnedeth for reasons I don't quite understand; it doesn't help that no discussion items were left behind.

The ship is the SoulSilver one (Silver/Lyra), from HGSS. That one ship bothers me to no end, but I acknowledge that it's valid, so I thought it would be a good idea to start the article over at the shipping category, where I couldn't find it by that name (the only one I know for it), nor by checking the category for Silver nor HGSS pairings. And since over at the TV Tropes wiki it's no big deal for anybody to create an article, I went ahead with the idea, and let it remain a stub because it really is not my ship of choice.

Shortly thereafter, the article was deleted. I went to look at the Project Shipping page (...again; I had checked it before many times), which was the one I guessed was the relevant one for the case, and I kind of didn't find my article violating the rules, so I was left with just a question (OK, at last, this one goes for you): why was the article on the SoulSilverShipping deleted? --KayiR 07:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It was deleted on the basis that the article would never be more than a stub, and all of its hints would be the same as Huntershipping. It would be like making an article for Clingyshipping (Barry/Lucas), NewRivalshipping (May/Wally) or Namelessshipping (Fire!Red/Blue) and expecting the article to be exceptionally different from (and not something that could be c/p'd to) an article on Conflictingshipping (Blue/Leaf), Loverivalshipping (Brendan/Wally), or a game!version only article of Template:S.

Anything that could be said about SoulSilvershipping could be equally applied to Huntershipping; it's not exactly an exclusive 'ship in terms of its hints. And seeing as the opposite gender NPC doesn't crash into the rival at any point (save for the very beginning), the NPC cannot give an individual account of what they think of Silver, which takes even more individual hints away. The entire basis of either 'ship needs to come from Silver (you being the silent protag), and anything he says to Lyra is also the same thing he says to Ethan. So what's considered a hint for one must be considered a hint for the other. It'd be a pretty bias article, on that front. I'll think about if anything can be done in other ways for the couple, but as an individual article, I don't think it will stand up. Thank you for asking, though. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Mmm... And shouldn't it be better to at least acknowledge its existence, then say something like "the hints that apply to HunterShipping apply for SoulSilverShipping"? I mean, in case someone else with the same idea as me, but an actual supporter of the ship, came around and made an even bigger fuss? --KayiR 17:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

We hold stricter notability standards for shipping articles. Not every pairing thought of by three fans deserves an entire page. For the ships that aren't notable for their own pages, we have lists of ships. --electAbuzzzz 17:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Except SoulSilvershipping is popular, Buzz. However, popularity isn't a reason for notability if its article cannot sustain itself properly. And if people who support it come along and wish to make it, they will likely be given the same reasons they cannot. And like I said, I'll think of something for it. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't some shipping articles have "other names for this ship" sections? Maybe a similar section could be added to HunterShipping, noting that SoulSilverShipping is the shipping name for Silver/Lyra, which goes by the same hints... I realize this could cause a fuss for a completely different reason, but it was the first thing I thought of, so I thought I'd suggest it. 梅子^❀_✿ 18:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Specialshipping

How isn't Specialshipping canon?! --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 23:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

....Because Kusaka didn't make it canon...? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:25, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Red and Yellow's red string of fate doesn't count? --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 23:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

That simply means they're destined in some fashion; if this were a shoujo series, I'd be more inclined to agree, but it's shounen. It ain't canon until they're confirmed feelings. Frantic did it, and even Graceful referred back to having been ex-canon and possibly future canon. Commoner is apparently one-sided, which doesn't make it canon at all in terms of romance, but canon in terms of character traits.

I don't take kindly to people who assume 'ships are true when they are undoubtedly not. In the mean time, the red string is still only a hint. A hint to possibly something bigger, but even without a partial confession, or a scene where it's obvious their dating, it's not canon. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Luckyshipping

For the trivia you mentioned, "I was wary of the second piece of trivia before, but I've decided neither are viable. The rumor is left because its directly related to the manga's events". Did you notice it was in the trivia section? It's just some unimportant facts that people should know. It doesn't necessarily mean Trivia has to be with the Manga. Sorry to bother you about it ^^ Just wondering why it was removed. Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together 00:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I did notice it was trivia (I said it was as much). I removed it because while color-linking is common in video games, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a connection to the 'ship itself. Color-linking usually has a blue-red(-black) pattern, but in this case, it's not connected to the original series, seeing as it's Red/Green+Blue, not Red/Blue+Green (and that would only be a hint for the hero/rival, because the girl is the +1 regardless of what colors you do). J!Blue is an afterthought beyond J!Red/Green.

I also removed the trivia on BurningLeafshipping, because Red and Leaf don't exist in the same space in the games. If you choose Red, Leaf doesn't exist in-game, and vice-versa. It's commonly accepted they're meant to be the same person, as in, they're different gender variants of the same being: the hero. BurningLeafshipping has as much connection to Luckyshipping as Twinleafshipping has to Haughtyshipping: entirely different circumstances. One's relation has no impact on the other's.

That was pretty much why. *nod* Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 00:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I see now. Thank you for the response; I understand now. Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together 19:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Headline text

Hello. I hope I'm leaving the comment right... Umm does bulbapedia need an article on Coupleshipping?? If so may I do it please. (Sry I'm new here....) Diamond-Contestshipper 16:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Coupleshipping? No such thing. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 19:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh...I saw it on google so..yeah sorry about that. :( Diamond-Contestshipper 16:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

First of all, you ought to give relevant titles to sections you make. "Headline text" doesn't explain a thing about what you're trying to ask. Secondly, you don't need to start a new section if your new post is on the topic of your previous section. Just indent (using ":") to reply to a previous post. --Andy^P_K^M_N 16:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Technically, Coupleshipping is "Lucas/Mars/Dawn" and nothing Dawn/Ash/Drew/May/whatever related. And 3somes don't get articles. But any articles we do need are here, so please feel free, once you read the requirements for making an article. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Grings Kōdai

Hey, sorry to bug you, but I was wondering if we could get Kōdai moved to Grings Kōdai now. The movie's out, and I see no reason to believe that isn't his canon full name. Just wanted to ask. --The Great Butler 07:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Better to ask something like Kenji on that. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 11:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

New Shipping

Excuse me, I have a very important shipping that needs to be added. I belive it is you i must talk to to create it. It is called either HatShipping or JohtoShipping, wich ever you think is better, and it is between Lyra and Ethan. Also, could it be on Category:Shipping as well as The List of shippers? If nessacary, I will write the page for you. Its sorta like the FortuneShipping of Johto. Speaking of wich, you could probably edit piece of trivia no 8 a bit on your page. Yata.--Dermodio 15:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Lyra/Ethan is called HeartSoulshipping, and I'm not sure at all if they even interact enough in-game for an article. If you want to try to write an article, first make it in your userspace. Something like User:Dermodia/HeartSoulShipping and if the article turns out fine, we can make it a full-fledged article. But if it doesn't make the cut, it will not be. You understand? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 16:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Okely Dokely. I will do so as soon as possible. --Dermodio 09:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

My edit in the AdvanceShipping article

Hi, I hope it's ok that I'm putting this here and not on the AdvanceShipping discussion page, but I was afraid you wouldn't see this there, since it wasn't used in nearly 2 years...

Anyway, You removed the part I added about the Prince and King of the Sea.

I just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean to say that the titles are related is a fact, just that it's another possible support to the Manaphy sees Ash as his Father theory (I did call it a theory, after all). And Ash is called the King of the Sea, Ship states that "He who holds the Sea Crown shall become the true King of the Sea." when explaining Ash new powers (At least in the Japanese version, I didn't saw the dubbed version so I don't know if something similar was said there).

Again, I hope that I'm not doing anything wrong by putting this here. Cag 16:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Wild speculation without basis doesn't belong on these articles, much like it doesn't belong on any mainspace article. Context is one thing, but nothing I removed is relative to the theory. You implied the titles were related simply by using it as "support" for a theory that's pretty far-fetched to begin with and shouldn't be in the article at all (but I'm letting it stay anyway). Without a connection to the titles, you're basically inserting fanon, and I've grounds to remove what isn't supported in canon.

And if that is the line, then Ash's claim to the "King of the Sea" title is a throw-away line, BTW. Nothing more than a statement connecting back to the legend without impacting Ash's story. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)