Talk:ROM hack

Notable fangames?

Should some of the more notable hacks be mentioned, or even given their own pages? I'm pretty sure Moe(kko)mon is rather popular right now. File:Ani182MS.gifLime → ♥×♪

I've got two words for this article. Shiny. Gold. Seriously, I mean, that's probably the most popular GS fanremake there is (..I dunno if there are others out there, lol), and I haven't even heard of the one you just mentioned... hell, I've been thinking of playing through SG because I'm stupid and I never played through Johto .____. Tina^☆♫ 17:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Shiny Gold should def be in here. MAGNEDETH 17:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Telefang Wiki?

There is a growing Wiki that is solely dedicated to the Telefang series, where the first game of the series that was eventually hacked into Pokémon Diamond/Jade. I'm thinking about adding it to this article because it has some useful information (including the hacks themselves, as well as information about the series in general), but I'm not going to add it without it being okay with other people because I don't want to look like a spammer. Should I add it here or not?

Also, there's a really informative fansite dedicated to the game as well. Should I add that too? Blaziken257 05:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Another GBA Hack Game

I saw this hacked game on eBay. It was called "Perla" and it featured Lucario on the box. The picture even included the manual and it had Lucas on its pages. Probably Diamond/Pearl-based? BlueJirachi 03:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

proof? id like to see. -- MAGNEDETH 03:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

actually, i just did a google search. it does indeed exsist, but there are no game play shots. -- MAGNEDETH 03:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

BONG Yes it exists, and it works, i have it! Is it possible to mention it or something? GoldHusky2009 13:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Legal Issues

We really should put up a warning about the legal issues of hacks, if for no reason other than to protect ourselves from being sued --Manga-in-a-bottle 04:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I really don't see any legal issues, aside from the hack carts themselves. Nintendo really doesn't give a damn about hacks or things like that, as long as they're not sold. Vekter 04:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

...and most hackers go out of their way to prevent their hacks from being sold. The people who sell them are pirates.--Nostalgia 04:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

hack pages

we have articles on fizzy bubbles and fire blasting magikarp. why not these?

Please sign your posts. And i don't know D| Don't ask me, Maybe cause theres not that much information on most of them...But maybe they should...Hmmm Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 22:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

sorryWhatswithalltheextraspace 22:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

We all make mistakes (; Don't worry about it Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 22:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

It's mainly due to the fact that these games are hacked from ROMs. ROMs are illegal (that whole 24-hour thing is bull****), cartridges containing these hacks are illegal, and we can't have full articles on games that can only be obtained by illegal means.

Besides, buying hacks on cartridges can provide inconsistent results and their boxes don't always accurately reflect its content. Hacks may have gamebreaking glitches that can render the game incompletable; the Diamond/Jade pair have several such glitches. Additionally, boxes containing the Quartz hack have an E for Everyone rating pasted onto it, yet that hack's content would lend more to an M for Mature for strong language, use of alcohol, and mature sexual themes. --Shiningpikablu252 22:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

What about cheating, Mew, Celebi etc...--KukiTalk 22:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheating devices are OK to have articles on since, although they're frowned upon, legal copies of the game can be used with them. Additionally, Nintendo actually lost a lawsuit over the Game Genie, meaning there's nothing outright illegal about their usage.

These hacks, on the other hand, require an illegal copy of the game to make, play, and distribute. --Shiningpikablu252 22:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

woah!!! ALL that? and there are people who dont know its a hack, buy it and get arrested? seems unfair.Whatswithalltheextraspace 22:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Law enforcement targets only those that make illegal ROMs and sell illegal games. I highly doubt you'd get arrested for playing Quartz. --Shiningpikablu252 23:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

oh.Whatswithalltheextraspace 23:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

What if someone made a hack game, but gave it out for free? :\ Would that still be illegal? Just wondering Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛

I don't know about physical copies of it, but most people make ROM Hacks to be played on an emulator, and let people download them. Same with fangames, only minus the emulator.

Hacked games are not necessarily games that are based on main series games. 'Hacked' is just a software term and has nothing to do with illegal measures. Some so-called hacked games are IPS patches for main series ROMs and if these ROMs are illegal then playing a patched version of the ROM will also be illegal. However a game that was hacked together by someone that isn't a patch for a different ROM is not necessarily illegal. Always remember that in many countries possession/receipt of stolen property/goods is a crime, though. BobzBlobz 11:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the patch files are legal, as they don't contain copyrighted materials. However, it is illegal to use the patch file, as you need a ROM to do so, and a ROM is illegal as it violates copyright. The ROM download is illegal because it contains the copyrighted data from the original game. However, this is only true of hacks, and not of bootlegs, which are completely legal as far as I know. Red is not Ash. (Quadzar) 05:44, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Individual Pokémon names are trademarked, as is the word "Pokémon". If the bootlegs are Pokémon games, or even contain Pokémon, they contain trademarked materials and thus are not legal unless the creator has permisson from the trademark holder. Werdnae (talk) 06:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

You have a point. But, doesn't that make it still legal if none of that is mentioned?Red is not Ash. (Quadzar) 18:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

If it isn't called a Pokemon game, doesn't contain Pokemon and is created from scratch (using even scraps of code from the games would be considered illegal), then it depends on how similar it is to the Pokemon games. If the mechanics are too similar (e.g. replaced everything related to Pokemon with something else but kept the same mechanics) then it could still be considered to be in breach of copyright, and Nintendo could still take action if it thought the mechanics were too similar. So yes, I believe bootleg games would be legal, provided that they aren't Pokemon games, don't contain Pokemon, and don't play too similarly to Pokemon games. In which case they have no place on this article. Werdnae (talk) 19:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Agreed.Red is not Ash. (Quadzar) 02:33, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

color cartrige

I noticed that hack games for GBA don't have colored storage media. I think this is one way to differ them. abcboy 20:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

THREE games called "Pokémon Jade"?

When searching for "pokemon jade" on YouTube, I found that there were not one, not two, but THREE different bootleg games called "Pokémon Jade." The most notable one, and the one that everybody talks about, is an Engrish hack of Keitai Denjuu Telefang - Speed Version, and had a counterpart, "Pokémon Diamond" (not to be confused with the one for the DS, but rather a hack of Keitai Denjuu Telefang - Power Version) -- though this is already mentioned in the article anyway. However, I found two other games with the same name. One of them, found here, is a combination of other fake games -- Pokémon Adventure being one of them, but there were a few other games that this fake is based off of. There was also a video on YouTube a while ago (which is unfortunately gone now) showing a Pokémon Jade for Game Boy ADVANCE -- not Color, but Advance. The video didn't show any footage of the game, just the cartridge and box, but if I remember correctly, the cartridge had the deer thing (Shishigami?) that was also on the cartridge for the Pokémon Jade that was based off Telefang Speed. Anybody know more information about these games? Blaziken257 03:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC) There is also another jade version in development-Rabla 20:58, 11 October 2008 (AEST)

To do

• Explanation of the legal issues related to ROM hacking and playing ROM hacks. (In theory it can be legal, in practice it almost never is.) Elaboration on patching versus actual ROMs being released.
• Distinction between bootlegs and fan-made hacks. Remove redundancy relating to "oh yeah zel put in an anti-bootleg screen" and "chaos black is known for being bootlegged".
• Some guideline for notability of hacks. There's a new hack announced every other day at Pokecommunity, but how many actually get finished? Next to none. Diamond/Jade are notable. Chaos Black is notable. Prism and Shiny Gold are notable. Moemon? Debatably notable (I had never heard of it, although apparently it made it onto Kotaku). But unless Bulbapedia starts having individual pages on specific hacks, it shouldn't be considered an index of them.
• Page should probably be moved to ROM hacks, as this by far is the more widely used (and more precise) name.

IIMarckus 13:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll get to work on 1 and 2 tonight. 3 isn't really an issue at the time, as there really aren't any romhacks on here that don't belong, save for the Green translation.Vekter 04:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon World Version

Should this be mentioned? Ill get a link soon, im using the wii now so i cant. Pokemon:World Version is a game in develoment. It contains Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Sevii Islands and the Battle Frontier-Hoenn. Its all done in FR/LG graphics.-Rabla 15:40, 11 October 2008

Not notable. There's such a glut of Pokemon hacks out there that there'd be no point in describing it. For that matter, there's already a glut of hacks that purport to add all the regions—funnily enough, I don't know of a single one that made any progress beyond the announcement. IIMarckus 04:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Its already in development, heaps of progress. link: http://worldmaster.proboards98.com/ -Rabla

"Error: You must login to access this forum. Please login below, or register for an account." No thanks. I also repeat my assertion that this will never get finished, just like every other gimmick "all regions" hack. IIMarckus 07:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

If we listed every single freaking hack ever, we'd be better off linking to PokeCommunity. Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links

You obviously did not look at how much they have done-Rabla 18:32, 11 October 2008 (AEST)

I obviously did. Dude, I am a user of PokeCumminuty. I know that everyone put in a LOT of work into their hacks (while I can't really understand how to hack). I know. But if we allowed all the hacks on Bulbapedia, our server would overload and possibly break down. Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links

I agree we shouldnt list every hack game, just the ones that are making much progress, which pokemon:world version is. they are re-doing everything in FR/LG style, and in a short amount of time, they hav made much progress. Hoenn is done except for water routes, and they will be done soon. They even done sinnoh perfectly. Pokemon:World Version has made enough progress to be mentioned. If they stop, just take it off the page. -Rabla 20:53, 11 October 2008 (AEST)

Look at our nomination for admin pages. If you take a real good look, you'll see that the term "If it doesn't work out, undo it" is not a Bulbapedia policy. Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links

Is "Pokémon World Version" far enough to be played? If so, we should have a group of users test it out to see if it's "worthy" to be added. Obviously, if there are too many

slip-ups, it shouldn't, but if it runs smoothly and isn't to hard to figure out, we should mention it. And OPTIMATUM, all you have to do is download a ROM editor (I would recommend a map editor) and start working. Sean... Lord of the Shadows!!! 17:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Exact Bootlegs

I was wondering if we should add a section about the fact that some people take the actual games and not remakes or revisions and bootleg them onto GBA cartridges and sell them over ebay, and amazon under the sold by users section. It happened to me on amazon and I have read other accounts of it happening to other people. One of the common things that happens with these bootlegs is there is compatibility issues when trying to use dongle method or the pal park, as well as the emerald save data being erased when Diamond or Pearl is loaded. Here is another account besides my own to whom it has happened link: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4860767] Pazusalmon

Green Translation: Notable?

I say no. There's no real reason for a mention of a translation of Green to be on here, as Green pretty much is the exact same thing as Blue in the US. Anyone have any reason they want to keep it before I delete it? Vekter 04:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Multiple Green translations exist, most of low quality. Nothing really individualizes them. They’re no more notable than the Gold translations that came out before the games were released in the US, really. Taking it out now. IIMarckus 05:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

MOEYMANZ? WTF?

I.HAVE.NEVER.HEARD.ABOUT.SUCH.THING.IN.MY.LIFE! And I'm VERY up-to-date with hacks. I've never seen such hack, neither as a ROM or as an illegal catridge. Does it even exist outside of that movie (not to mention that the movie does not show the hack itself, it presents the Pokemon from that)? I bet 100 smackers that it's unnotable. --Maxim 16:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

And because you've heard of it, it becomes notable? We haven't got videos on any other hacks either, does that make them unnotable? And if it doesn't exist outside of the video, I'd hate to think what people have been downloading into their computers from sites such as these two. And please, lose the attitude Maxim. It gets tiring very quickly. — THE TROM — 21:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Moemon

Those are defiantly not cosplayers. Those are gijinka,they're a type of Kemonomimi. Lovely Rose

Let's Play?

Shouldn't "Zorak" be credited instead of "Let's Play"? Zorak,the Something Awful forums "goon",wrote that's lets play. Lovely Rose 23:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Um... Has anybody heard of RubyDestiny?

In case nobody knows, there's also a Pokemon Ruby Hack game called RubyDestiny which surprisingly is not on this page, despite it being a pretty good-looking hack game from what I've seen. - ElectricArbok 23:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, and it's really popular too. I say it should go on the page for sure --GEN1KING 19:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon Light Platinum

Anyone know Pokemon Light Platinum? Screenshot:

Yes, i know. I understand portuguese, so i can translate those images. - unsigned comment from Moonlight umbreon (talk • contribs)

... never heard of it... but the graphics look kinda generaton3/4-ish User:fudgenuggets 23:43 15 October 2009

Looks like Pokémon Ranger background sprites, with DP Pokémon and slightly edited trainer sprites. idk if it exists though. Never Give Up Pika 20:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Liquid Crystal

I realize there's a lot of hack games, but it's an ongoing project and has won the 2008 award for Hacking. It's a hack of FireRed that is based on Crystal, but incorporates new rivals and trainers and apparently will have the Orange Islands once the hack is finished. I'm wonder if it should be noted here maybe? http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=149622/. Drake Clawfang 01:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Non-Hack Fangames

Shouldn't Bulbapedia have an article on fangames that are NOT ROM Hacks, but instead have been made in a program such as RPG Maker XP. I know there are a lot of those too, just look over at Pokecommunity. The Sixth 00:27, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why we couldn't but it should probably be a seperate article "fangames" instead of in the rom hacks article ... oh, and they better be notable. ZestyCactus 23:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Prism

A question. Is Pokémon Prism complete? Because I googled it and only I could find was betas. --Dr. James 23:37, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

No, no it is not. If you find the creator's YouTube channel, he's regularly releasing videos of his newest progress... for a certain definition of regular. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 14:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Moemon

What's notable about this hack? It smells like an advertisement to me. I'd delete that. --Maxim 18:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

The fact that it's one of the most well-known "gimmick" hacks, and that it basically inspired/popularized the whole gijinka-style of Pokémon artwork. Redstar 18:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

it is actually very popular and notable. -- MAGNEDETH 18:07, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Where? I've never heard of it outside the Bulbapedia. And I know what's going on in the hacking world. --Maxim 22:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I heard about it before I found it on the Pedia, and I don't know anything about hacks. I had a few friends talking about. R.A. Hunter Blade 23:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I think that only the hack which have been largely distributed as bootleg games should be notable. Moemon hasn't. --Maxim 08:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon Card GB2

Hey guys, should I put this in the article?

• Pokémon Card GB2 Fan Translations
• The game Pokémon Card GB2: Here Comes Team GR! is an official game based off the Pokémon TCG, but it has never received an official translation. A number of fan-made translations of varying quality have thus surfaced
• --Manga-in-a-bottle 04:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I think it really deserves.--Joe feyzullah 14:02, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon Acanthite

There is a game called Pokémon Acanthite that is very well known between hack games. Here is its site: http://pokemonacanthite.com/ should it be included as well? Lon3wolf 20:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon Naranja

So after finishing this hack game, i realized that it was definitely the best ive ever played and i would like to make a section of articles about it, but whenever i search it to make a new page with the title Pokemon Naranja i get redirected to the hack page. So how would I make a page with that title? Sanjayasmypapaya April 23, 2010

New sections go at the bottom, not the top.

Additionally, I'm sorry, but ROM hacks and other phony Pokémon games are not notable for their own articles no matter how "good" or "popular" they are. That's why you got redirected. If we were to consider one ROM hack notable enough for its own article, we'd have to consider several other ROM hacks notable as well, which in turn would lead to Bulbapedia becoming a huge mess as one would have to sort canon from fanon. --Shiningpikablu252 02:13, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry for the mistake, and thank you. Sanjayasmypapaya

Other Pokemon Hacks

There's a hack of...I believe it's Pokemon Red, or maybe Blue...possibly Yellow...anyway, there's a bootleg called Pokemon Team Rocket Edition. Here's the link: [1] Also, there is another called Ash's Adventures...it's really well done, it follows the first season of Pokemon. Linky: http://www.vizzed.com/vizzedboard/retro/game.php?id=11550&system=gba&name=Pokemon-Ashs-Quest I just wanna know if these can be added. - unsigned comment from LoadOfMentos (talk • contribs)

This site has many of the hacks already on the page [2], how is it decided which ones are famous enough to put on the page? For example at the moment I'm playing Pokemon Sienna which is a FireRed patch. It has pokemon from the first 3 generations and some new sprites/hacked pokemon. The storyline is also unique in that player choices affect the course of the storyline, e.g. it is advertised on the above website that a player can choose to join Team Rocket. BobzBlobz 11:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

ash gray

http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=180722

Should be added IMO - unsigned comment from Chimchy (talk • contribs)

Deletion

It is unacceptable to discuss these games on the forums.[3] In addition, as the page for editing this talk page states, "Content that violates copyright will be deleted". How is it acceptable to cover them on the wiki? --Tepples 18:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

By covering information on well-known fan-made games in an encyclopedic manner, Bulbapedia should not be breaching copyright. We simply acknowledge that they exist; we are not providing links to them. —darklordtrom 09:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

This is why...

I need to be autoconfirmed already. These people are advertising their own hack games and must be reverted--Derenol232 02:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Please do not make irrelevant comments on talk pages. If something is seen as advertise, one of the users with autoconfirmed and above will take it off. Thanks! --☆CoolPikachu! 03:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Pokemon Creepy Black Version?

Should there be anything about this one in here? Here's a likn to a video describing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iYwMgG8dNs Or if you can't watch it (for whatever reason) I will breifly explain: Basically it's Pokemon Red Version. Everything is the same until you first look at your Pokemon. You'll have your starter and a Pokemon named "Ghost". It's sprite is the same as ghosts from Lavender Town. You can't trade it, release it, etc. It only has one move "curse". When you use it, the screen cuts to black and you hear the Pokemon who you're battling's cry, except the pitch is lower. It goes back to the regular battle screen, except the Pokemon is not there. It's implied the Pokemon died. So you go through the entire game. It's pretty much the same as Red. You can use Curse on anyone (except a few people, I forget who). So after you beat it all, it cuts to black. You then see an old person looking at graves in Lavender Town. The old man is apparently your player. You can walk anywhere on the map, except nobody else is around. The Lavender Town theme plays everywhere. You are able to go back to Pallet Town. When you go to your house and stand on the tile that you started on, cut to black. Then every player and their Pokemon you used Curse on appears, one by one. The Lavender Town theme slowly becomes deeper in pitch and slower in speed. Finally, you battle Ghost. You have no Pokemon, cant escape, etc. Finally when you're down to minimal health, Ghost uses Curse, the screen cuts to black, the end. You have to start a new game if you want to play again. Freaky, right? Oh....that was a little more than breifly. Oh Well.

I have also seen a video about an article about this game, however it is believed to be fake. BobzBlobz 11:27, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

@BobzBlobz: If you believe this is fake, then why not add a section where games are known but not known to be real? Anyway, I believe it's real. If you search it on Google, you will find someone who posted about it and their experiance with it on a website called TinyCartidge. This is the first time people hear of it. --PeterFoster111 18:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Sam says: Pokémon Creepy Black Version isn't a Real Pokémon game. Much like it's successor, Pokémon Lost Silver, they are fake Pokémon games created based on a creepypasta in which regards the game itself. Yes, these are indeed hacked games, albiet very known ones, and should be added to the list as soon as possible. (I'd do it myself, but apparently the page is protected.) - unsigned comment from Sam Halcyon (talk • contribs)

PokéMon Arcoiris Version

Well i just recently bought a game called Pokémon Arcoris (still dont got it tho, its in mail) and im supprised its not here already. Its pretty cool and you can catch Shadow Lugia, it allows you to be Misty or Ash for characters and your starter is Pikachu. Its based on the orange islands, and is a hack of Emerald/Ruby/Sapphire. MUCH MORE INFO SOON WHEN I GOT IT.User:Rsrdaman

Emerald 386 and FireRed Omega?

Would these two be considered notable? At least on the Nuzlocke forum, they seem to be very popular and well known, and so I was wondering if at least a mention of them could be made on this page. The basic premise of these as I understand them is that all of the Pokémon up to the third generation are included in these games. I'm afraid I don't know much about them, but they seem easy to look up and I was surprised there wasn't a mention of any sort here. I apologize if this isn't the right place. Ikarishipper900 18:07, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Pokemon Uranium

Hey, I'm one of the developers for Pokemon Uranium. (I'm the spriter/writer/designer). I just want to make a few corrections: it's NOT a rom hack, it's an RMXP fangame designed to be played on the computer. Here is the Pokecommunity thread.

There is no "Uranium team," it's just me and ~JV~, the programmer/mapper.

While I appreciate the free hits, I'm not sure whether it should be a part of this page since it's not, technically speaking, a hacked game. I think a section for notable non-hack fangames is a good idea, though, because there are a few which are complete (such as Pokemon Raptor) that deserve some recognition. InvoluntaryTwitch 03:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

notability?

i don't see how most the games listed here are notable... can we only list all those that are actually sold in illegal cartridges? those should be notable in my opinion... -Pokeant 10:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon Quartz

Can any admin upload the image of the Quartz title screen i just submitted to the ROM hack games page?

- unsigned comment from Blahblahbloh (talk • contribs)

Pokemon Lost Silver

Has anyone heard of Lost Silver? It's obviously a hack of Pokemon Silver, except that things get creepy... and disturbing. Read about it here: http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Pokemon_Lost_Silver

Consider adding this to the page? --PeterFoster111 18:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

The only revision of an actual fan-game of the creepypasta Pokémon Lost Silver I've seen was made with Game Maker (i.e. this), which wouldn't class as a 'hack', though that was about a year ago since I first watched that. It's increasingly popular but I haven't seen it as an actual hack of a real Pokémon game. Which revision are you referring to? --Chickasaurus 15:38, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

The article says at the bottom that this is its own game, not a ROM hack, so I wouldn't count it. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:04, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikifang link

Could the Wikifang link please be changed to http://wikifang.meowcorp.us ? The Wikia version is deprecated, as noted here. RacieB 18:00, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Illegal?

Aren't bootlegs and hack games illegal--Mewmewmanga 23:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC)♪♫

They are (for further details on why see this section. That's why only extremely well known games should have a section on this page, and are not allowed their own page under any circumstances. Werdnae (talk) 04:57, 28 November 2011 (UTC)