Talk:Mythical Pokémon

An errors

All the sections should not start with one (1) = and then move upwards but instead start with two (2) == and from there move onto three (3) and four (4) etc. --Raltseye 12:23, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. It should be fixed now. Were there any other errors with the page's layout that you noticed? Paᗧ•••ᗣck 17:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes

1. Add a see also section as follow:

==See also==

• Legendary Pokémon
• Event Pokémon
• Special Pokémon
• Myths and legends involving Legendary Pokémon
• Sinnoh myths
• History of the Pokémon world
• Pseudo-legendary Pokémon (mayby)

2. Mayby adding a average stats template and seperate the Legendary Pokémon template to a Mythical Pokémon template and add that here but that can be done when this has been mainspaced instead perhaps. --Raltseye 15:42, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I'll definitely add a see also section. I'll also add an average stats and "If you were looking for" section. However, those are coming after the bulk of the article is finished.

May I ask what you mean by separating the Legendary Pokémon template from the Mythical Pokémon template? Paᗧ•••ᗣck 04:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that PMD's Alakazam considers Lati@s mythical?

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAADAAADV0aGGv6oMQ

I will be honest, I still consider mythicals to be legendaries. Unowninator (talk) 06:22, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

The image shows Alakazam saying mythical (lowercase) not Mythical or Mythical Pokémon. The word "mythical" =/= "Mythical Pokémon", otherwise Arcanine would be a Legendary Pokémon, etc. --Abcboy (talk) 06:36, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Ah, didn't realize capitalization mattered. Sorry. Unowninator (talk) 06:37, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Also, Red/Blue Rescue Team are from Generation III, and the English localizations didn't start distinguishing between Legendary and Mythical Pokémon until Generation V. Anything from before Gen V can't reliably be used to prove things one way or the other. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:51, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Really? That's good to know, thanks. Unowninator (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Trivia

Is it worth mentioning that, if Arceus holding the Mind Plate is counted, every generation has introduced at least one Psychic-Type Mythical Pokemon?--LavaringX (talk) 00:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't think so. We don't typically count Arceus as anything but Normal for the purposes of trivia. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:33, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Poodle is a dog.

Aren't Mythical Pokemon still Legendary Pokemon? You wouldn't say a poodle isn't a dog. - unsigned comment from TsukikoKoizumi (talk • contribs)

That's not logic. You're completely presuming that Mythicals are Legendary, not "proving" it in any way.

I'm not entirely familiar enough to tell you why, but it has been our clear policy that Legendaries and Mythicals are separate. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:27, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

"Mythical Pokémon [...] are a group of Legendary Pokémon seen so rarely in the Pokémon world that some question their very existence." --Super goku (talk) 07:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Ok, tell me, not counting Phione, who is still debatable as a Mythical Pokemon, how many Mythical Pokemon can you get that have no legend attached to them? The definition I've been given is "Event-only Pokemon". Personally, I agree with Super goku, that makes the most sense. TsukikoKoizumi (talk) 07:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

"Legendary" Pokemon are not defined by having a "legend". Rather simply, only Pokemon that official sources call "Legendary Pokemon" are Legendary Pokemon. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

The definition I've been given is "Event-only Pokemon" (which, btw, would include Surfing Pikachu, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree that isn't a Mythical Pokemon.), while the best description of a Legendary Pokemon I've gotten from your site is a Pokemon you can only get once per game cartridge. Well, that definition includes Mythical and Starter Pokemon, so a better explanation would be "A Pokemon that, in-universe, has a legend associated with it", but that would include Mythical Pokemon, hence why I suggested stating they were a class of Legendary Pokemon. So, to sum it up, it'd be inaccurate to say they aren't Legendary as well. Personally, I agree with Super goku, that makes the most sense. - unsigned comment from TsukikoKoizumi (talk • contribs)

The definition of Legendary Pokémon is "a Pokémon that Game Freak has explicitly defined as Legendary," and likewise for Mythical, period, end of story. Game Freak treats them as non-overlapping classes (note the phraseology is always "Legendary and Mythical Pokémon", implying separateness), so we do too. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 07:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that. Official sources call certain Pokemon Legendary and certain ones Mythical consistently. It's not up to you or us to conflate them because we think it makes "better sense". (And "Surfing Pikachu" may be event-exclusive, but Pikachu is not.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I hate to interrupt, but I was just quoting the article at the time I saw it and did not notice that it was your edit, TsukikiKoizumi. There is apparently a rule that conversation chains cannot be broken up, so I had to follow Tiddlywinks comment. Either way, I just thought that you were asking a question that was answered by the article, not that I was agreeing with you. --Super goku (talk)

I have an idea, since we can't see eye to eye (Mythical Pokemon have been Legendary Pokemon this whole time. Using a different term to better identify them doesn't change that. Eeveelutions are still evolutions of Eevee), tomorrow, we get Magearna. The Alola Pokedex separates Pokemon based off of Legendary/UB/etc, so surely if Mythical and Legendary are so different, it'll notify us, right? I'll be getting it too, so I can check for myself. If it shows them as completely different beings, I will apologize. Either way, I'll try to get a picture. TsukikoKoizumi (talk) 08:10, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

If I remember the data leaks correctly, Magearna has the same colored background as Cosmog's line/Necrozma/Zygarde. But please note that per guidance by SnorlaxMonster, who is a staff member, the Pokédex's background colors do not take priority over more explicitly clear definitions by Game Freak, which have unwaveringly treated Legendaries and Mythicals as separate groups. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 08:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

If you register a Mythical Pokémon in your Pokédex, Rotom comments "Zzzrk?! Wait... Izzz that— Izzz that a Mythical Pokémon?!". If you're talking about the Pokédex backgrounds, Legendary and Mythical Pokémon use the same background in the Pokédex (although it's not like it's stated anywhere that it's exclusively for Legendary Pokémon, it's simply the two sharing something just like how they can be excluded by the same GTS filter). --SnorlaxMonster 08:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Well then that brings forth a conundrum, as that would mean Mythical is just a term being used to identify them more easily. And thus wouldn't make sense if Mythicals eren't also Legendaries. TsukikoKoizumi (talk) 08:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@SnorlaxMonster: Ah, yes, that's exactly the album I've been looking for but hadn't been able to find! And I didn't realize Rotom would give a specific line for Mythicals. Thanks for pointing both of those out. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 08:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I actually meant the Rotom Quote. I guess that's kinda confusing then; them sharing the background would make it see Mythicals would be Legendaries. Or at leaest cousins, like how legends are stories with a bit of truth, but myths, while in the sae family as legends, are fabrications with little to no basis in fact. Would that make sense, them being cousins? (To make it a bit easier to think about, it's like Alolan variants. They are the same species, but radically different, maybe?) TsukikoKoizumi (talk) 08:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

They were one and the same before, but the Legendary/Mythical split was made apparent only by last year when, as the article states, non-japanese media started to follow the japanese media.Animaltamer709:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't last year, it was much earlier: Generation V. --SnorlaxMonster 09:22, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

In fact, Mythical Pokémon is a branch of Legendary Pokémon. Otherwise why the movie called Lugia a "Mythical Pokémon"? Why did Pokemon Special manga places them on the equal footing in volume 40? And why Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are called Legendary Pokémon, but Arceus is not since Mythical Pokémon is not Legendary Pokémon? E9310103838 (talk) 09:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Lugia isn't a Mythical Pokémon, so I agree that the Japanese name of M02 is a bit strange, but you bringing this up seems like you're arguing that Legendary Pokémon are the same group as Mythical Pokémon, rather than Mythical Pokémon being a subset of Legendary Pokémon.

You'll have to clarify what you mean by placing them on "equal footing" in volume 40, but there's no reason that Legendary and Mythical Pokémon shouldn't be, even as separate groups.

There's no conflict between the creation trio being Legendary and Arceus being Mythical. I don't see what the issue there is at all. --SnorlaxMonster 11:12, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Mythical Pokémon being a subset of Legendary Pokémon. Yea that's my mean. I think I might have some misnomer. E9310103838 (talk) 11:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

For E9310103838, lookup at the thing about Lati@s, that should clarify that. TsukikoKoizumi (talk) 17:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Legendary as of Gen 7?

Considering the Rotom Pokédex lists Magearna and Marshadow as Legendary Pokémon, would this mean that Mythical Pokémon count as subcategories of Legendaries again? Nintendocan (talk) 19:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Since when does the Rotom Pokédex list them as Legendary? The quote that comes up when you register them explicitly calls them Mythical Pokémon. If you're referring to them sharing the same colored background, that seems to be simply designating tournament-legal versus tournament-illegal Pokemon. That's the hypothesis that makes the most sense, anyway, since all evidence points to the tapus, Type:Null/Silvally, and the UBs being either Legendary or Mythical. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

New suggestion

Could Phione be considered mythical since we have evolutionary line legendaries. --Pokemonfansuper (talk) 13:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

It was created before the Cosmog line, so no. Also, Phione doesn't even evolve into Manaphy. Ataro (talk) 13:30, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Zeraora reveal date

It's a small thing, but this page says Zeraora was revelaed on 8th April, while Zeraora page says 9th April. This page is from the 8th as well. I am not sure which is correct and which country we're considering (Japan, I assume?) but these should be consistent. ~KingisNitro (talk) 23:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Mew sentence needs to be split.

"Its success was mirrored in the west with the eventual release of Pokémon Red and Blue, making Mew a prominent character of the first generation, co-starring in the first animated movie, Mewtwo Strikes Back." should be "Its success was mirrored in the west with the eventual release of Pokémon Red and Blue. Mew was a prominent character of the first generation, co-starring in the first animated movie, Mewtwo Strikes Back."

The first movie was released in Japan two months before the first games came out in "the west".

Satorukun0530 (talk) 07:05, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Ho-oh and Lugia

Weren't they considered Mythical Pokémon in FR, LG and Emerald? Shouldn't they be mentioned here? Golden Trainer (talk) 01:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)