Talk:Pokémon category

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Should ??????????'s species (UNKNOWN POKEMON) be added? - unsigned comment from DavidJCobb (talk • contribs)

I don't think so. It's not in any of the other lists of Pokémon, because it's not really a Pokémon, just blank data. --TTEchidna 23:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Should Pokémon with the same classification be together?

Example: Pikachu and Rattata, Mouse Pokémon. --Stinkoman

I think it'd be a cool idea to add the same species together like that, but then we'd get some strange ones, like Chansey and Exeggcute who are both "Egg Pokémon" and Lanturn and Ampharos, both "Light Pokémon". I'm all up for it, though, it'd be interesting to see how many Pokémon share the same species name. --Someone Else 02:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Just make it a sortable list... TTEchidna^G_SDS! 06:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I made the page List of Pokémon by species, which does just that. --Someone Else 17:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

That's not a sortable list... That's... that's... I don't even know what to call that. I said sortable, not sort them into it. You know, sortable, like the List of Berries by growth time or something. TTEchidna 20:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, right. Uh, okay. I guess the new page wasn't totally necessary then... Though it doesn't hurt to have Pokémon sorted like that, does it? --Someone Else 22:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's really not good to have a page with 355 sections... that will likely grow as the generations go on. I'll fix it. TTEchidna 01:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

STILL FIXING IT! TTEchidna 02:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

DONE FIXING IT! It unprotects itself in about seven hours, not that anyone will need to add stuff to it for another year or so. TTEchidna 03:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright, cool. Thanks for fixing the page. Now the whole world will be able to see how Igglybuff, Qwilfish and Drifloon are all related to each other...amongst other things. --Someone Else 03:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. TTEchidna 03:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Species length

The article says species are always ten characters or less. I think, if you do a little research, you'll find they're twelve characters tops, not ten. --Kyoufu Kawa 19:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Seems like someone confused them with Pokémon names. TTEchidna 21:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

A friend did exactly that when I talked about this very mistake. I accept this explanation. --Kyoufu Kawa 18:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't the article mention how, in FireRed and LeafGreen, the species length was shorter, so that Squirtle and Pidgey, for example, had the same species - Tiny Pokémon - rather than the true species names of Tiny Turtle and Tiny Bird? Satosuke 02:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Go for it. TTEchidna 03:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

TTEchidna, look on Moldy orange's page.--☆Tavisource 03:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Wait... for my clone game, I ripped the PokéDex data from Fire Red (US version) and my data file says "Tiny Turtle" and "Tiny Bird". --Kyoufu Kawa 19:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing more trustable than Game Data ripped by Kawa. Kawa is the man! --Maxim 19:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it's in the data file, certainly, but something's screwed up in the dex where it only displays the first word. TTEchidna 20:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Great Scott! ...wait, does this mean Weedle is a "hairy Pokémon"? --Kyoufu Kawa 18:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Quick question: Are there any examples of 12-character species? I can only find 11-character ones (including "Tinyswallow" for Taillow, which probably should have a space to make it better - is there a reason there's no space?). Does the 12-character limit include the space between the species name and "Pokémon"? ~ Serial Colour 00:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Quickish answer: there are twelve bytes per species name. This is 11 characters, plus the terminating null byte. The space between that and "Pokémon" is a part of the latter. --Kyoufu Kawa 16:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Japanese species name?

Would it be alright if we added on the Pokémon's Japanese species name? --ケンジのガール 07:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I dont see why not.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Trivia

"Pidgey's Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen species names are not the same in each version. FireRed labels Pidgey as the "Tiny Bird Pokémon" (as do the Pokédex listings of other generations); however, LeafGreen erroneously defines it as the "Tiny Pokémon"." I checked Fire Red 1.0, 1.1 and Leaf Green 1.0. All three list Pidgey as a "Tiny Bird" in the database. This is probably related to the bug described in "Species length" above, where the space is counted as a terminator. I'm deleting it, if you don't mind. --Kyoufu Kawa 17:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC) Quick update: Emerald 1.0, Ruby 1.1 and Sapphire 1.1 also list it as "Tiny Bird". --Kyoufu Kawa 17:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

MAGNEDETH checked that before I posted it; and it was brought up on our "dispute resolution" page. It may just differ from location to location. I'll check with him. —darklordtrom 07:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

i have LeafGreen, i checked it myself, it says Tiny Pokemon. -- MAGNEDETH 07:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Good. Now go read the "Species length" part on this very talk page. The whole section, please. --Kyoufu Kawa 11:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, in that section you tell us why the maximum number is only eleven characters. "Tiny Bird" fits in those eleven characters. We have proof that the exclusion is in LeafGreen only; perhaps some versions of LeafGreen only. There are other double-barrel species names in FRLG, such as "Poison Bee", yet that isn't cut short. It's just Pidgey. —darklordtrom 22:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

"Perhaps some versions of LeafGreen only" is right. It seems, of the three games I tried, both 1.1 versions (FR -and- LG) show the full name, while FR 1.0 cuts it off. If only I had an English LG 1.0 to check... --Kyoufu Kawa 16:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

my LG is 1.0, it says "Tiny Pokemon" -- MAGNEDETH 16:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for confirming my theory. If you'd like to restore that trivia section, please reword it as a bug that's fixed in 1.1. --Kyoufu Kawa 15:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Major problem

The sprites on this page link to, say, Cubone rather than Cubone (Pokémon). Somebody fix it, I'm in the middle of something. CuboneKing (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) 03:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I congratulate whoever finished the job I started on today. I need to go somewhere today and I started to finish the species list, and I came back today to find it finished. Thank you. Pokemonemerfan1954 02:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Species Names

Should we not have the japanese species names here too? (someone brought this up a while ago) XVuvuzela2010X 06:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Done for Gen V, based on a version of this article from just after the Japanese release. Unfortunately, I have no source for older species as there were never versions of this article including those. --LaprasBoi 18:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I think some of the Gen IV Pokemon may have their Japanese species names in their respective page's history, since Bulbapedia goes back to 2005. XVuvuzela2010X 18:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... if you go through and make a list, I will incorporate it into the table, otherwise getting around to it may take a while. --LaprasBoi 00:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Split

Who split this, when, and why? I plan to unsplit it soon, as splitting breaks sorting, and the ability to sort and see which unrelated Pokémon share species classifications is probably the most interesting thing about this list. --LaprasBoi 18:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. --LaprasBoi 00:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Japanese translations

So, I've added all of the Japanese species names, along with literal translations (I also got rid of the Japanese Pokémon name column, which didn't appear to serve any purpose). Now, My Japanese vocabulary isn't great, and some of these terms are obscure, so I've been referring to dictionaries a lot. I'm confident about most of them, but I'd appreciate someone more proficient in Japanese checking a few of them. Specifically, Tangela/Tangrowth, Lickitung/Lickilicky, the entire Spheal family, and Yanma gave me problems, with either all or part of the species posing problems for me. There may be a few others, too.

Note that many of these species names are also puns that don't really translate well: Audino is both the Hearing and the Healing Pokémon, while Azurill's species name can be read as both "Polka Dot" and "Water Ball". There's also a weird situation with Flygon: its species name can mean both "Dragonfly" or more commonly "Spirit/Soul". However, the official translation is "Mystic", because the same term was also used as Xatu's species name, and for whatever reason, that got translated as "Mystic", so they've used the same odd translation again, apparently not noticing the pun.

I'm also aware that some English species names have been changed slightly over the years, mostly due to the expanded character limit. It would be good if we could include these. The only Japanese species that changed (to my knowledge) is Porygon's, which I've included, though I don't know at what point it was changed. Bikini Miltank 15:56, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Move to Category

Hi, I'm back. Anyway, Pokémon.com calls it Category, and the person who redirected that page here says it is also called that in GTI and Pokédex 3D Pro. I can't see it having ever been moved in the logs, nor can I see any similar request in the page history. --Abcboy (talk) 02:24, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I would support that move, if only so this page could be turned into a proper disambig funneling to "Category" and Pokémon (species). We use the word "species" to mean Pokémon (species) way too often around here like it should just be perfectly understood by anyone, and when the page with the title "Species" is this "Category" thing, it's just a recipe for confusion. It'd be much nicer if this were a simple disambig. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

With the amount that Category is used within the complete interworkings of the wiki itself, it is a bad idea. ^Maverick_Nate 14:28, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't agree with changing it, Species and Category are Synonymous in this context, plus as Nate's just said, using Category will mix it up royally with the already-used 'Category:...' pages Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

It was never my intention for the page to be moved. I just wanted to say that it's called category in those games. I believe I added that it's also known as "category" to the top of the article, but it must have been reverted (or I didn't add it at all). Pikachu Bros. (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

IMO, our frequent usage of "species" to not mean what's on this page is a much worse problem than any trouble that might arise regarding wiki categories. If you ask me, wiki categories shouldn't be a problem at all; you say "Category", and the meaning is fairly obvious. At the bottom of pages, "Categories" is easy to understand and unlikely to cause any confusion. Or if it's linked in the middle of a page to mean this category/species, then following the link will quickly reveal exactly what was meant. (Although category/species is almost exclusively used in the Pokemon info boxes, and only rarely in the middle of page text, so the chance for confusion is really very minimal.)

"Species" is less obvious: it could feasibly mean individual Pokemon or families. Hell, there are even places where people have linked "species" to this page when it should be Pokémon (species). The fact is, we use species all over in ways that are already confusing if it's not linked and someone tries to search it (or worse, if it's linked here and shouldn't be). Having the far less common usage, this page ideally should not be at just "species". If it moved to "category", that'd be great. Otherwise, it'd be nice to be able to move it to something else (maybe "Species (Pokédex)") and turn this "Species" page into a disambig (or redirect to Pokémon (species) and put "if you were looking for..." there).

The (potential) common usages of "category" are just far less problematic than the common usages of "species". Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:33, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

@Maverick Nate Only three pages link to category, and they're all in the User: namespace. It doesn't appear to be much of an issue at the moment.

@Pikachu Bros. But it is called that in those games, though? It would still be official.

It doesn't really matter if they're the same, or if one is more commonly used, though. Happiness and Friendship is an example of that. The long-standing and often-used name was replaced by the official name. Does anyone have any solid proof it was ever officially called Species? --Abcboy (talk) 19:58, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, does anyone at all have an official source for the current page title of species? If not, then it really should be moved. --Abcboy (talk) 21:39, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

While searching for a source for species, I found that the XY and ORAS sub-sites, when listing Pokémon, will use the term "species" to describe this. Also, Pokédex 3D manual page 5 "Using the Pokédex" calls it category when labeling the screen, though that's of dubious use. --Abcboy (talk) 17:16, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Apparently they read this and now it's referred to as Category throughout the entire ORAS subsite. The XY subsite still uses "Species": [1] --Abcboy (talk) 15:30, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

For what it's worth, this strategy guide uses "Species" officially. Having said that, that book is almost ten years old, so it's hardly definitive evidence for or against the move. I'm not opposed to a move to "Category" on principle, since it seems to be used in a lot of recent official sources. --ZestyCactus 04:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

On Latios and Latias

I'm pretty sure their description as "Mugen" Pokémon is referring to Dreams, rather than infinity. But somebody with actual Japanese knowledge might need to go over this.Trainer Yusuf (talk) 20:15, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Clues?

I highly doubt that categories are supposed to be clues, rather than in-universe data. First of all, many categories don't reference animals, second, some of those that do contradict the origin of that Pokémon (Pikachu is not based on a mouse), third, categories have their references in-universe outside of the Pokédex, and fourth, animals have had appeared in the Pokémon world.--MissDelibirda (talk) 09:33, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

They've been moving away from the "real animals exist in the Poke-world" part of the canon for the last decade, though (most recently being Raichu's dex entry about electrocuting an Indian elephant retconned for Copperajah).Anzasquiddles (talk) 11:07, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

There have been references to real-life animals fairly recently (Horseshoe Plains, a resturant serving fish in x and Y, one of Mimikyu's disguises showing a starfish and a shell that appear on a beach bucket in an episode of Pokémon: The Series), and even if not, it would not take away from the other points.--MissDelibirda (talk) 11:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hisuian Goodra's Japanese category

からこもりポケモン Karakomori Pokémon. Been trying to figure out how to translate this for days. The most i've got are the base words:

• 殻 kara: shell
• 籠り komori: according to romajidesu it can mean "to seclude oneself; to be confined in", but apparently just the 籠 kanji literally means basket or cage? (Google translated it as cage). this word has caused me so much trouble the past few days trying to translate it.

does anyone know Japanese and can help? Anzasquiddles (talk) 14:15, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Hisuian Arcanine?

Hisuian Arcanine is missing. Golden Trainer (talk) 11:27, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

I believe we don't include regional forms unless they have a different category. All currently known forms of Arcanine are categorized as the Legendary Pokémon. Landfish7 11:50, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Longest category name

Since TCG's Sword & Shield was localized in Portuguese Brazil, the longest category name in other languages is Eldegoss's Portuguese category "Florescimento de Algodão". The Russian internal text file for Pokémon GO's 0.287.0 update shows Tadbulb's Russian category "Электрический Головастик". Kiribartlett (talk) 20:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)