Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4

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Trivia

In the trivia it says about Ash never catching a Pokemon when he has 6 in his party and then gives many exceptions, hardly a worthy piece of trivia, I would suggest removing it but I am afraid of back-lash from other users, so can anyone give their consensus. Guardian of Earth 20:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Krabby was at the beginning, there are 30 of those Tauros and Beedrill went straight to Casey. I think the fact is worth mentioning but I'm not sure how to reword it. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 23:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

If thirty Tauros at once counts as many exceptions... TTEchidna 23:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ash Sprite

I made a sprite of Ash: File:Ash Sprite.png I used Lucas (since they are very similar) and changed some features. How is it?--Taviource 20:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I say very good!--KukiTalk 21:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Kuki, you should talk to my younger brother, Diamaster. Does anyone have anything else for me to make?--Taviource 21:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

How about we go through it together? Oh, how about giving Mimey a broom in its sprite on Delia's page?--KukiTalk 21:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll get to it. Feel free to e-mail me anytime you come with an idea. You are like my manager, or somewhat my boss. This works well.--Taviource 21:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Should we start from the beginning?--KukiTalk 21:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I've just finished Mimey's sprite. I'm ready for the list!--Taviource 21:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It's good but is there any point of putting that in the Article? --Force Fire 09:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, last time we did this to Tyson's Meowth, the Cat got the Boot (Geddit? Geddit? Oh forget it...) It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links10:11 6 Jun 2008

I have to agree... the sprites are neat (sort of; I've definitely seen better), but they don't really belong in the articles. Just because a Pokémon dresses differently doesn't mean it's not the same Pokémon. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 05:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

All he was trying to do was give the Pokémon some individuality. I'm not sure I'm for the modified sprites of humans but we should let the Pokémon stay. Especially if they are tweaked just so slightly that it barely makes a difference. Like Ash's Sceptile. You can't say that looked bad. --☆ケンジガール 06:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I understand that. And I guess the less obtrusive ones are OK (this is all just my opinion, anyway). But don't put "sprite by Taviource" on the pages; that's just advertising, which shouldn't be in the main namespace. It's fine that you put it on the images themselves; that way, people who are interested in the sprites can follow them to you, and people who aren't don't think you're a whore. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 06:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that was a little out-of-bounds on his part. Still I think the Pokémon ones are cool.--☆ケンジガール 06:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I can't say that Sceptile looks bad but I can say that it looks incorrect since it had a different twig to Treecko/Grovyle. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 11:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but i just dont think that traviource's edits ar good enough.I personally think that they should be put back to normal or if it's allowed, http://pokesho.com/icon.html has really nice personalized sprites.I know there's a copyright rule but if you translate the page it says: Pokemon Icon Collection Freedom to use. Anywway, i dont know, but that was my thought.--Riot464

We want them to b somewhat, actuall mostly based off the games.--KukiTalk 19:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sweet! Pokemonboy 08:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Sun Stone

does anyone know what happened to his sun stone from the bug catching contest? Mooites 23:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

He used it on a Sunkern in EP187--KukiTalk 23:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Not much of a waste since Misty missed the "Water-type" she tried to catch in EP010. TTEchidna 02:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Alternate Sprites

Oh, since we're on the subject, let's change the MS sprites too! >.> No, seriously, what difference would it make even if we DID have alternate sprites? The best we could do is Shiny Noctowl, and it's an official sprite. Squirtle appeared mostly without its glasses, thus, GET RID OF THEM. Primape and the belt? Wow! The belt got stuck on him for ten minutes and you already want to put it there??? Seriously, folks, ARE WE USING THE ALTERNATE SPRITES OR WHAT? It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links07:38 7 Jun 2008

In my opinion, we shouldn't be using these altered sprites. As Optimus35 pointed out, most of these alterations are things that appeared for a few minutes in a few episodes. More importantly, the Bulbapedia is not a place for fan art. If the artist is trying to showcase their art, the Bulbapedia is not the way to do it. Trainer-c 12:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I concur, sort of. Taivource does seem to be on a "Everyone behold my cool sprites." binge. Kenji-girl seems to like the Treecko-line ones, though (and to be fair, they are good). - Cassius335 12:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Just because we're an encyclopedia of Pokémon doesn't mean every sprite on every page has to be EXACTLY out of a game, does it? PL12 13:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

If it was a commonly re-occurring theme, then an alternate sprite singles it out as unique, which could be gathered from what I know about the Treeko and evolutions. Gywall 13:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

WE ARE USING THE ALTERNATE SPRITES, except for the trainer ones, and I actually might've put the yellow stars on Janina's Onix. And, for example Taisei's Piplup wore the tiara all episode--KukiTalk 13:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

OH, ARE WE NOW? Thanks for being so open to discussion, Kuki. - Cassius335 13:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

What's that supposed to mean. And Squirtle's glasses, as leader of the squirtle Squad, he's wearing them all the time probably--KukiTalk 13:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

If it is a significant part of their character design (eg. Noctowl, Treecko/Grovyle without the flower/Sceptile, maybe Squirtle) it is worth featuring the altered sprites. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 13:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly they are not just any ordinary Squirtle, Onix, Piplup, or Dustox, there is a special piece of design that seperates them from the ordinary ones. Guardian of Earth 17:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. They each have their own significant and reminds us all about all the good times in the anime.--Taviource 17:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Plus, Dustox, Squirtle, Primeape, and Butterfree belong/ed to main characters. And remember how we did an alternate sprite for May's Venusaur as a Bulbasaur--KukiTalk 17:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

We did?--Taviource 17:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Not we, but Bulbapedia as a community. The link is there, hover over Bulbasaur, and voila! PROOF!--KukiTalk 17:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I entirely disagree with the Onix sprite. (She tried cheating one time and then had to wash it off.) But this is Ash's talk page so let's stick to those sprites here. The consensus seems to be to keep the alternate sprites and they don't hurt. Are there any valid reasons to not have them? --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 17:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, Grovyle needs to lose the flower and Sceptile's twig needs correcting. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 17:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Remember, shortly b4 Grovyle evolved, the flower bloomed? Thus the flower stays!--KukiTalk 17:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

It was actually wwhen Meganium used Synthesis--KukiTalk 17:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

But that is the main point against some of the sprites: It was a normal twig for almost the entire time it was on the show. For the character design argument to work, you have to actually show its normal character design. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 18:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

But what if he changes the twig? Can the sprites stay? PL12 18:03, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it just needs a little editing. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 18:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sceptile can have less attention. But what about Nurse Joy's Chansey with the hat? That also keeps on getting deleted.--Taviource 18:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

This is not Nurse Joy's page, but that is also a common character design. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 18:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I fixed Joy's page, and added the Pokémon she gave to Stephanie and her dad in AGO34--KukiTalk 18:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks, Fabu-Vinny. Thanks, Kuki....but can I fix the Sceptile sprite?--Taviource 18:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure, cuz I dunno how--KukiTalk

This is getting downright ridiculous. What do a few pixels matter? I agree with Squirtle and the Treecko family, but Butterfree with scarf and Primeape with belt? Guys, PLEASE, stop having so many alternate sprites!!!

And, I thought I removed Grovyle's flower. Please, people. Keep this up and we'll eternally ban you from the archives (and Bulbapedia, I guess...) if you keep reuploading and uploading thesep ics. I know you put much effort into them but...They're putting quite a load on the server. That's why there are 26,570 files in the Archive while we only need 26000. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links02:16 8 Jun 2008

I kinda agree, especially because they're low quality sprites. Take it from someone who has been spriting for a long time. They aren't good. tc26 02:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

You are totally unfair! The majority of support is for the alternate sprites and then you threaten them with blocking because they don't agree with you. I know we are not the same as Wikipedia but on wiki we have consensus where the majority of support wins, or is this an admin dictatorship. Guardian of Earth 08:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

You do realise that your 'majority' is completely made out of inexperienced users (Excluding Kuki and PL12, who I consider adequate in MediaWIki skills) who barely know that <span style=" font-family=Comic Sans MS";> will give you text in Comic Sans. People! In the past year (Let's call it the Jurassic), plenty of things have happened. Several vandal attacks. Several fake vandals (Including this account -anime sweatdrop-). These helped to mature our users. Your 'majority' arrived about the late Cretaceous. You know what would happen if you keep it up? That's right. The Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event. Do you want Bulbapedia to overload? Do you want our hard work to fall through the hole? People! If you want to change Bulbapedia's standards, GET YER OWN WIKI!!! It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links06:23 9 Jun 2008

Don't be so melodramatic. The community as a whole is keeping a better eye on it than that... - Cassius335 11:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Kuki is an experienced user???????????????????? Guardian of Earth 10:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Kenji-Girl supports alternate sprites, she is very profesional. Guardian of Earth 10:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

And your point is? ~Crystal~Lucario~ 11:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd navigated this site before becoming a user--KukiTalk 14:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

My point Crystal, is that earlier the comment was made that only un-experienced users supported these sprites and Kenji-Girl is more profesional than most and has common sense, and doesn't jump to conclusions which is more than can be said for some Guardian of Earth 18:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm an admin and I support some of the sprites...

But things really need to calm down here. It certainly isn't worth creating a riot over. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 18:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks and I agree with you now.--Taviource 19:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

That last piece of trivia

For some reason I can't delete that piece of trivia at he bottom of the list and Ireally need to for one simple reason. Its totally wrong. It can't be a trend of Ash catching a flying type, grass, fire and then water because it happens once! Kanto- bug, flying, grass, fire, water. Thats got bug at the start. Johto- bug, grass, fire, water, flying. Noctowl was caught after cyndaquil and he had heracross. Hoenn- flying, grass, water, fire. Water and fire are the wrong way round. Kanto is a main region and so the battle fronteir arc has only the capture of aipom, a normal tyoe. It can't be a trend if it only happens in 1 region! Because I can't delete it for some reason I implore you to get rid of it. A trend has to happen alot more than once. TheAlmightyChris 21:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

You can't delete it because Fabu-Vinny protected the page (have a look at the page history). - Cassius335 00:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I guessed that was the reason. However that really doesn't stop it being wrong and there TheAlmightyChris 16:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Ash dressing up

In this article it mentions ash's three times cross dressing and his two time having to dress up as fruit. What it doesn't mention is the number of times he has to dress up as an actual pokemon. I can only remember him being Mr. Mime in 'Mr. Mime Time' and as an Octillery in 'Octillery the Outcast'. Im pretty sure there are a few others, can anyone remember, thnx! I just somehow have feeling there may be a few more beside the one's i have said and the one below - unsigned comment from Dragonboy (talk • contribs)

I remember him dressing up as Seviper to teach Nicolai's Zangoose how to battle with one. --☆ケンジガール 06:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Electric Tale of Pikachu - Needed Verification

Did ash have a Beedrill in Electric Tale of Pikachu manga? Don't remember it. I think someone spreads fake information. I also don't remember any Mankey traded for a fake map. Can anyone verify these informations? --Maxim 10:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

No he did not. However, in the second issue, he caught a Mankey, which he did trade for a map. It wasn't actually fake, just very poorly drawn. MidnightCeltic 20:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Agh so close to hitting it...

But still under the wondrous 10% of all Pokémon. C'mon, Chimchar, evolve soon! TTEchidna 03:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

In the article, it says : "The most badges Ash has ever gotten in the first thirty-five episodes were five badges in Kanto, which makes sense considering that Kanto was significantly shorter than any other saga (aside from the Orange Island saga and the Battle Frontier saga). In every other region thus far, he has only won two badges in the first thirty-five episodes." It's wrong : he had 6 badges by EP035, as he won : Boulder Badge in EP005 Cascade Badge in EP007 Thunder Badge in EP014 Marsh Badge in EP024 Rainbow Badge in EP026 Soul Badge in EP032

Befriending Movie Pokemon(IMPORTANT)

We've discussed this and since May has Manaphy, Max has Jirachi, I think Ash should have Latias and Lucario! Any1 agree?--KukiTalk 12:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

In none of that discussion has anyone given a decent reason for why the list of Pokémon owned by Ash should have a section for Pokémon he was simply friendly with. It has to much potential to get out of hand. May's page has had Manaphy removed before and Max is the exception because he doesn't own any Pokémon to begin with. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 18:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Matnine Overboard

Is it notable that Ash was apparently able to recognize what a Mantine is in "Mantine Overboard" depite having never seen one before? The same thing could be said about Regice in the 8th movie but that could be easily explained; If (off-camera)someone explained Registeel, Regirock, and Regice the only one left was Regice (simple process of elimination). But the Mantine one has me confused. I suppose it's possible Ash saw a Mantine in his past before becoming a trainer. --Dman dustin 18:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that always happens in the anime. They know Pokemon theyve never mentioned or seen b4. Like James and Carnivine. Whenever they go to a new region Brock already knows all the pokemon and what they evolve into despite never mentioning them in the past. Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010 18:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you two forgetting that Ash saw one in EP214 and another in EP256? ^Moldy_Orange 18:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

214 is Mantine Overboard, the one Dman Dustin is talking about isnt it? Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010 18:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind...That's my fault, (For some reason, I thought he was talking about Steamboat Willies.) ^Moldy_Orange 18:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Every time a new batch of Pokémon are created, the anime seems to retcon the fact that they have never existed before. When Gen V Pokémon are revealed, the anime will treat them as if they were there from the beginning. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 18:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

TV, Books, and Pokémon games exist in the pokemon world aswell. Also it's not big brother, things would occur off camera and, chances are, if he did see a Mantine in person, it was being minded by Prof. Oak or something like that.

No matter how it might look shows never show everything frame-by-frame, and neither do movies. Chances are that Ash could see a lot of Pokémon off-camera. And about Brock, I'd assume that he studies about Pokémon off-camera. Also I have never seen a real-life dragon, but that won't stop me from recognizing one if I ever get the chance of seeing one. TheBlazikenMaster 22:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

3 of 4 gym leaders thing

In the trivia bit it says 3 of the 4 female Gym Leaders have turtle based pokemon like he does. What region are we talking about as there are way more than 4 female Gym Leaders overall. Thankyou for your time. Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010 09:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh I see, 3 of the 4 gym leaders mentioned in the trivia before. Thankyou for your time. Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010 09:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Question

Do Leona and Nando qualify as rivals for Ash? Aura-Knight 03:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Nando yes. Leona, no. --☆ケンジガール 04:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hurting a Pokémon

I can think of at least two occasions Ash has hurt a Pokémon, Drapion in the Riolu special and Squirtle in EP012 (before he caught it). The Advanced Series/Orange Islands are fuzzy for me, I only remember some of the better episodes, can anyone think of any others? - unsigned comment from Aura-Knight (talk • contribs)

Sign your post please. And why are you talking about the Pokémon he's hurt? Just wondering...Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 13:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, Aura-Knight, he hurt MEOWTH in EP012, not Squirtle. Weedle Mchairybug 16:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

categorised trivia anyone?

maybe an "in universe" and "out of universe" sections to seperate character trivia and behind the scenes trivia. maybe even another section for pokemon owned, there's that many Kanjo 23:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I hate to open up an old can of worms, but...

I'm completely against the alternate Primeape and Butterfree sprites. They had the the belt/scarf for less than a whole episode, the episodes they left nonetheless. I think the others are fine since they were frequent parts of their characters (Treecko line's twig, Squirtle's sunglasses somewhat), but the belt and scarf are ridiculous. I'm not going to remove them myself since it's bound to start an edit war, so I'm asking for opinions first. ~RR~ 04:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

What i think it is is that weve got to have the most upto date images. The last time they were seen. So if they came back and didnt have them then the alternate sprites would have to be removed. Its like how on may the pic is of her emerald uniform although she spent loads more time in her Ruby uniform, but the most upto date is Emerald, even if it was only for 3 episodes. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010 09:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

And for both, it was a signifigant reason that they left, Brock gave the scarf to Butterfree so it could score a mate, thus triggering its departure. Primeape went away to further its abilities after winning because it only really won by a fluke. Butterfree was seen with the scarf later and Primeape with the belt as well. Aura-Knight 01:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)