Talk:Red Gyarados
Very few fans realize that the presence of the red Gyarados in the games is not caused by the induced evolution of the resident Magikarp. The anime intertwined the two events and used the connection as an excuse for the unusual coloring (the Magikarp retained its color upon evolving irregularly); the game dialogue never so much as hints at such a connection.
It is true that battling the red Gyarados triggers Lance's appearance, from which point the battle against Team Rocket ensues, eventually leading to the termination of the source of electromagnetic waves responsible for inducing evolution on Magikarp. However, that is the extent of it; the characters who actually reference the red Gyarados at Lake of Rage have nothing to do with the Team Rocket event.
Also of note is the fact that the report found in FireRed and LeafGreen pertains to plans of the electromagnetic waves incident; the news broadcast in Diamond and Pearl deals with the potential sighting of red Gyarados, not necessarily at Lake of Rage itself. Both of these are instances of a reference to Generation II events from different angles - plot continuity (FireRed and LeafGreen) and contemporary storylines (Diamond and Pearl).
It is incorrect to place Diamond and Pearl's beginning at the time of red Gyarados' appearance in Gold, Silver and Crystal. The news broadcast does not mention the appearance of the red Gyarados before a trainer in Johto, but rather pinpoints the Pokémon's background as being elusive and sought after. Therefore, it stands to reason that the Lake of Rage sighting takes place later on, possibly allowing for the Johto storyline to commence at the same time as that of Sinnoh. --Unown Lord 12:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- Uhhh... I followed almost none of that but, in response to the last part it could just be a rumor of a gyrados or sun reflecting off one scales and such but you do make a point. (one that I couldn't follow)CrystalLucario 13:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- That's actually very good reasoning. I never gave it much attention that the Red Gyarados wasn't created by the forced evolution. However, the information from the start of D/P does definitely agree - the Red Gyarados could NOT have been created by the Rockets because s/he was a legend from before the Chôji Town incident. As for FR/LG, everything about the Sevii storyarc is building towards Johto, and those electromagnetic waves are simply another part of the process. In a way, the Red Gyarados serves as another sign that Gen II is coming back. Good discerning, Unown Lord! --Satosuke 14:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- Couldn't it be just a shiny Gyarados in DPP, and not necessarily the one in GSC?--Edge578 23:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, though the fact that they chose Gyarados instead of another shiny Pokémon suggests a connection, and they mentioned a lake too, right? Gyarados are found in any large body of water, so why a lake and not a seashore? --LaprasBoi 13:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Very well reasoned... does it make an changes in the article necessary? If not, who cares? Forums. --LaprasBoi 13:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Lake of Rage
I was at Lake of Rage, I battled the red Gyarados, but it blue instead!! I think it was a shiny shiny, a pokemon supposed to be shiny but ended up being normal. --Doomey
- ...Thats probably just a gitch D: I've never heard of that happening before. Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- I think that since the Gyarados had a 99.999999% chance of being shiny, the creators didnt bother to make it sure shiny. Try restarting. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links09:19 2 Jul 2008
- The Red Gyarados has a 100% chance of being shiny. No ifs, ands, or buts; it's literally impossible for the Red Gyarados to not be shiny. IIMarckus 01:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
- I think that since the Gyarados had a 99.999999% chance of being shiny, the creators didnt bother to make it sure shiny. Try restarting. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links09:19 2 Jul 2008
Shiny
I looked through the article and didn't find anyhting about the Red Gyarados being a shiny Gyarados in the games. It just says about any alternate colour being Red, so I'm going to change it a little. Team Hyper
- It’s shiny, it has the sparkles. Alternate color=shiny. It’s the official term. --LaprasBoi 13:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
HG/SS Sprite
The HG/SS sprite for the Red Gyarados is messed up. Most of the time, it won't show up but sometimes it will. I'm sure that someone is already working on fixing the problem but I just wanted to address it just in case no one knew about this. --Dialgafan1 22:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Better Sprite Proposal
Sorry for making a second section about the sprite, but it's a different problem technically. The current image depicting the HGSS sprite is, in my opinion, unsatisfactory. I had previously created a sprite with much better quality. http://PokeShinkon.webs.com/Games/HeartgoldSoulsilver/Images/RedGyaradosComparison.bmp
The current one has many problems and mine stays pretty much close to the original image. I propose that we use mine (optional) for now until the official game sprite is released or until a better quality image comes along. My image alone is below.
If this is acceptable, could somebody take my image and re-upload it onto the archives in place of the old one? Rpp 21:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Regeneration?
Does anyone know if the Red Gyarados regenerates after beating the Elite 4 in HGSS, allowing it to be caught later, like Legendary Pokemon? For that matter, what of Snorlax and Sudowoodo?--Purimpopoie 21:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
- No it does not, and what legendaries are you talking about? No legendaries just come back after you beat the elite 4, it would make no sense plot-wise, plus it would make for infinite of a legendary pokemon. And no, Snorlax and Sudowoodo are 1-time only in Johto. --GEN1KING 00:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
- Technically Snorlax isn't even a one-off in Johto. Even in games that feature Johto as the main country, Snorlax is always lazing about on the Kanto side of the international border, although it is indeed a one-off in games with Johto as the main country. --Shiningpikablu252 00:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, usually I don't run from battles against a legendary Pokémon, plus I thought he meant even if you catch it. Also, just to clarify, If you kill Dialga at spear pillar, beat the elite 4 and come back, he will warp through time to battle you? That's great to know. --GEN1KING 00:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Pictures!
I just couldn't resist. The picture we have now, while nice, is, in my opinion, kinda bland. This one okay?
PIC REMOVED
The quality looks really low because it's so big, but it actually looks really good smaller :) --GEN1KING 00:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
- The quality still isn't really good, the one we have now is good for right now...--Psyライダー☮ 00:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
- I never said it wasn't good, I just said that there's room for improvement. What quality flaws can you see in that picture at that size, anyway? Besides it shows more of its body, not just a headshot. --GEN1KING 00:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
