Talk:Zorua (Pokémon)

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Questions, questions, questions.

Quag, can we edit this page? -Full of Questions

As long as you don't put in any nonsense speculation, yes. Quagbert 00:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Since I can't edit this, can someone point out that Zorua and Zoroark appear to be based off of the shapshifting kitsune in Japanese folklore? Especially when you compare its reddish facial markings to the red marks that often outline the face in "kitsune" masks? thanks - - unsigned comment from Ninja wolf (talk • contribs)

Also, "Zorro" (similar to Zorua and Zoroark) is spanish for fox. This should probably be name origin (until we get their English names) たかはりい☆^Talk! 07:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Can we take the Fake sprites off this page? They're fake and obviously have no place there. Bttsstewart 17:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

They are used as replacements until real sprites are made. They say they are fake when you scroll over them and when you click on them. It is similar to using the images that are used in the infobox. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 17:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Not paying attention to the file information, eh Bttsstewart? -Sketch 17:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

No, I saw that. COuldn't it just say something like "SPRITE NOT RELEASED" or something in that box until the real one's come out? Bttsstewart 10:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Zorua? Zoroa?

Shouldn't it be added (trivia, perhaps?) that the Katakana spelling of its name says "Zoroa", although the romanization says "Zorua"? FireMeowth 20:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why it can't be put there. Gizamimi Pichu 20:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Not really notable. Umbreon's Katakana is phonetically Burakki, while the trademarked romanization is Blacky. It's quite common for the trademarked romanization to be slightly different than the Katakana would be phonetically. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 20:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

That's not the same thing though. "Burakki" is the closest Japanese equivalent to the name "Blacky", which us the intended name. The name written as "Burakki" is still pronounced "Blacky" even though the individual kana are pronounced differently. With "Zorua", the syllable "ru" is written with the kana for "ro", for no apparent reason. The only logical reason to do this is if the "rua" part comes from a language where "u" is pronounced "o" to preserve the original language's spelling. The thing us, I can't think of any language where this is the case. Either the name "Zorua" is a typo, or they're intentionally misspelling the name. Unless someone can provide a reasonable name origin that warrants this seemingly erroneous spelling or proof that it is indeed a typo, I think we should mention it in the article.--Numquam Periit Amor 04:51, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't ask us what their reasoning was. They come up with the names in romaji first, it seems, and then katakanify them. See シェイミ and Shaymin. Romanize that and you get SHEIMI, but repeatedly the romaji has been used as SHAYMIN. Same with レジギガス and REGIGAS, not REJIGIGASU. クラブ is CRAB, not KURABU.

Official romanization trumps any and all other romanizations. Period. YONOIR, not YONOWAARU, for ヨノワール. Hey, maybe they thought "ZOROA" looked dumb next to "ZOROARK". Don't bother with the romanizations. We're not dumb; we KNOW how to romanize katakana at least, something that so many damn people don't get. It's in the manual of style and has its own section. TTEchidna 05:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

You're not listening to me, jerk. I never insinuated that anyone here doesn't understand katakana. I was merely pointing out that the OFFICIAL ROMANIZATION does not match up with the CORRECT ROMANIZATION. And your examples prove that, while you understand katakana perfectly (aren't you a genius?), you clearly DO NOT understand name origins. ヨノワール is romanized YONOIR instead of YONOWAARU because NOWAARU is the closest equivalent to the French word "NOIR". Same with クラブ, it's romanized CRAB because クラブ is how you write CRAB in Japanese. They always romanize word parts according to the SOURCE LANGUAGE SPELLING. From what I can tell, the RUA in ZORUA is Irish for "red-haired", referring to the red highlights on its fur. But RUA is pronounced ROO-uh, not ROH-uh. Since a name origin for the apparently incorrect romanization has been found, it appears that the ROMANIZATION is correct, but the KATAKANA is wrong. It's just like you said, they came up with the romanization before the katakana. They just put the WRONG katakana. - unsigned comment from Numquam Periit Amor (talk • contribs)

Exactly. Say the romanized Japanese name out loud and it sounds just like the English name. Besides, the Zoroa/Zoroark naming convention (i.e. adding/subtracting a couple letters to the name for the next evolution) has precedent. See: Kabuto/Kabutops, Pidgeotto/Pidgeot, etc. --Rycr 06:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Please allow me to make this clear. this is "zo"　ゾ　This is "ro"　ロ　This is "a"　ア　Together the become　ゾロア。　This is "ru"　ル　Together they become　ゾルア。　I just searched the entire Pokémon　Japanese website for zorua both in romanji and in katakana. No results showed up. When I searched zoroa in katakana a lot of results came up.　We should contact an administrator and ask to change that page. - unsigned comment from Kuree (talk • contribs)

Protected?

Why? I guess because people would be eager to put irrelevant speculation on the page, but is that a good enough reason? --GEN1KING 00:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Any speculation would be quickly removed. But really what would people add to the page? Trivia? :/ _Blake ^Talk·Edits 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

More like something about it being related to Poochyena/Riolu/Shinx. GV is has been cooking up a lot of speculation, no doubt some will be added if not protected. At Gen1king: yes, you don't know how messed up fan speculation can turn out. It could start off as pretty cool, but then turn into something weird, such as alternate formes due to its appearance being similar to many others and relation to Roark as Zoroark has it in its name. Also, speculation happens to articles pretty often and it isn't true, and encyclopedias should have true facts. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 00:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Template:Unknown information

I made this template to go with new Pokémon articles, don't know if it will be any help.

Template:Unknown information - Flex__S 04:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks great! Taromon 22:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I think it will be of great use once more Pokemon get revealed. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 23:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Added Zoroark to it. :-) SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 20:02, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

It'd be nice if you would ask before changing templates. One image is good enough, thanks. ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 20:07, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice if it was protected if you don't want people to edit it. One image is OK, but I think Zourark Deserves a place on there too. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 20:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Wait... why is there a Bulbasaur in it now? It looked better as a Zorua... --GEN1KING 22:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Arguments about who should go there. Read the rest of the section to see what I mean (and then check the template's history). CuboneKing 22:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

It looks much better now. It's really clear about what it's trying to say. - Flex__S 19:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki link to Pokéteca

There's an article about Zorua on Pokéteca now, so can someone who has the ability to edit this article add it in? I'd do it myself, but since it's protected... --Blaziken257 05:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Done. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 07:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Also, there's one for Zoroark as well.

And before anybody says anything, yes, I know that both articles are far from complete, and probably have some awkward grammar... --Blaziken257 07:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Done. Well we barely have any info so it's bound to have any actual information. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 07:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Premiere

I think premiere is misspelled in In the anime section. - Pkmn master 7:48 12 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

Eyes?

In the scan it appears with both, green and light blue, should that be added to trivia? Kamus, the kpo... 01:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

So I guess every member of the same species will always have the same eye-color? The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 16:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Did I Miss Something?

I must have, because I was still thinking that we decided to keep this out of the mainspace.--Gou 05:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

It's a real Pokémon. It was being kept out of the mainspace temporarily because it was being developed. Development stage = not ready yet. TTEchidna 05:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Physiology

Does anyone else notice that the "large, whorled scruff of fur on its head, tipped with red coloration" looks a LOT like a flame, doesn't that deserve to be put somewhere? PichuMaster 14:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Speculation. And it doesn't look like a flame to me. --electAbuzzzz 14:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I was ABOUT TO SAY THE SAME THING! XD It would look like this I think. "Zorua's ears are triangular with dark insides, and it has a large, whorled scruff of fur on its head that resembles a flame, tipped with red coloration." NEOgreenSOROU 11:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Should we note this?

Should we note how Zorua looks a lot like Vulpix? We already compared Zoroark to Ninetales, but these guys look even more similar! TorchicBlaziken ^{(talk•edits)} 16:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Check out the Gen. V page, I'd link it, but for some weird reason I can't find it... PichuMaster 20:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Sprite

What's up with the sprite it is really low quality. I'd like to ask if I could upload my own sprite as replacement until the official sprite is revealed. I know it's not important or any thing it's just that the sprite here is said to come from 4-chan meaning it could be any one's sprite. User:Roconza

I find nothing wrong with the current one. --ギザみみピチュー ^話して 00:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

ok, just trying to help out here. Please disregard my comment then. User:Roconza

It's a placeholder. It's hardly low quality, either. It's just a clear PNG. And it's been edited to match the actual Pokémon better by Umeko, so... yeah. Why should we replace it? ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 00:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, then let's just forget I ever even said any thing. I can can take a hint.User:Roconza

I've got the official sprite from the screenshot http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Zorua_Sprite.png User:Toastie

Body Style

Shouldn't Zorua be like this --Darknesslover5000 06:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

It probably will be, but we don't speculate. --electAbuzzzz 10:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

This is assuming that the new game's Pokédex will even have a catergory for body shape PDL 20:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Though actually the Gen IV games' Pokédex doesn't have the colorlist that Gen III had... the colors are there, though, in the PC. TTEchidna 20:54, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Name origin

Note that "Zoru" translates to "dawn" in Serbian.--immewnitythemew 19:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

That's funny, considering it's a Dark-type. Taromon 11:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Rua is actually an arabic name with the meaning "dreams" or "visions". This may pose some significance. Aggravore 22:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Zorro means fox in Spanish. Not quite as mystical as the other suggestions but I thought it was worth mentioning :P TheLilacPilgrim

Right. And "rua" means "red-haired" in Irish, likely referring to the red highlight in its fur. I thought someone pointed this out before, and yet it still hasn't been added to the article. It's not like there's an official source for name origins, so I'm not quite sure what the people with editing privileges are waiting for. We have a perfectly logical name origin: Zorua = "zorro" + "rua" (red-haired fox). Someone needs to add this already, I can't see any reason not to.--A Tell-Tale Heart 20:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

"Zoroaster" was also the name of an ancient Iranian prophet and philosopher involved with astrology and magic. - unsigned comment from Nekku (talk • contribs)

I think that we should add the dreams and visions part in because the pokemon in which Zorua evolves into is THE RULER OF ILLUSION. NEOgreenSOROU 11:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Anime Artwork

Should it state that Zorua and also Zoroark has a different colouration in the anime artwork? -- (Ruixiang95) 14:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

No, because practically ALL Pokémon have different colors used in their artwork. -Sketch 14:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

"Has no pupils"

Are you sure? (says so in the Physiology section) PichuMaster 23:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Evil Fox Pokemon?

Should it be noted that Zorua is classified as the Evil Fox Pokemon even though in the anime, they've said a few times that there is no such thing as an evil Pokemon, only evil trainers. Could Zorua and Zoroark be the first? Kirby Phelps (PK) 1:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Nah, it's classified as "Dark Fox" on here... I don't think that's very notable :/ (Yaminokame 07:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC))

I think it will end up being Dark, not evil. Although I could be wrong. So that shouldn't be noted. Translations aren't always completely correct. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 15:56, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Movie Debut

it says the Zorua is expected to be in the 13th movie, but we all should know that it IS in the 13th movie now, i think it should be changed Cody A. Delis 19:21, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Expected to premiere. As in, that's as far as we know going to be its first appearance. There's still a possibility it or another Gen V Pokémon could debut at the Sinnoh League before this, however. The movie's still four months away; that's 16 episodes. TTEchidna 20:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah just saying, but yes you could be right too.

Zorua can transform like it's evolution

As seen in the updated trailer where it transformed into a Piplup, Zorua CAN transform. Please update the special abilities section. - 050294 02:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Serebii confirmed Zorua's ability and it is same as Zoroark's. It is called Illusion.(Kantenoh 00:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC))

Yet still no one has edited Zorua's page with that info...Yusuke SS 04:18, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

too lazy to think of a subject

is there a reason why zoroa and its evolved form were released before the starters of gen 5? - unsigned comment from Maximillion (talk • contribs)

That normally happens for a new generation. .____.

For questions like this, ask somewhere at the forums please. R.A. Hunter Blade 03:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

To clarify:

• We saw Ho-Oh, Togepi, Marill, Snubbull, Donphan, Slowking, and Elekid long before we saw Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile.
• We saw Kecleon, Azurill, and Wailmer long before we saw Treecko, Torchic, and Mudkip.
• We saw Munchlax, Weavile, and Lucario long before we saw Turtwig, Chimchar, and Piplup.

We likely won't see the starters until late this year; they're always among the last Pokémon revealed before a generation begins. TTEchidna 03:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Sprites

From the leak we have official(er) sprites of zorua, should we replace the unofficial we have now? Kamus, the kpo... 16:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Not yet... those were anything but clear. Once we get some clear screenshots from the official site or something (with the DS's correct screen size and everything), we'll probably replace it. But now? Nah. ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 16:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

The official Japanese site just released a clearer picture of Zorua and Zoroark's battle. Dialgafan1 13:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

The sprite is still stretched, due to Nintendo failing at 3D. So it may be hard to create a completely accurate sprite. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 18:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

New Trailer

According to the new trailer, http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=vsXSeKB6i2g, little Z can create illusions too. Could someone edit that in? -Mackinz

Well? Is it gonna get edited in or what? Mackinz 14:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

That trailer seems a little fake...- unsigned comment from Kuree (talk • contribs)

It's even on pokemon.co.jp: http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/index.html

Trailer is the little box with zorua starting to run. Click it for full size. Mackinz 14:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Also in the trailer, there is a scene where Zorua is communicating via telepathy. Once again, the trailer is the small box with Zorua running on http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/index.html Yusuke SS 05:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but it's on various sites!

I can't help it, but I keep seeing that everyone's talkin' on this rumor about the starters are Zorua and Zorark. Can't we put on this article and the Zorark? (As a rumor, of course)--The Bulb's Master 16:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Unconfirmed, dumb speculation, it's not gonna go on the page. We'll only talk about Gen V starters on pages when Gen V starter info is released, not some speculation crap. ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 17:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Oops.--The Bulb's Master 21:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I second that. This seems to be a speculation without backing up evidence. --HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ /usr/bin/apache2 -k restart 23:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

I know that it's obvious to everyone that Zorua is the first gen V pokemon revealed, but I think Bulbapedia should be precise and grammatically correct (comma after revealed) , saying "Zorua was the first Generation V Pokémon revealed, alongside its evolved form, Zoroark, in the March 2010 issue of CoroCoro."

Oops, guess I misunderstood it. But how about adding that instead?WeavilePwns 02:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Zoruark was the first one revealed. He was revealed by a february episode of Pokemon Sunday. Zorua came from the following issue of CoroCoro. Mackinz 14:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Sprite

Now that we have the real sprite of Zorua, shouldn't the note saying "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" when it's hovered over be removed? --The Great Butler 03:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

The template is used on Zoroark's page too. We do not have Zoroark's official sprite yet. Naturally, the template will also be used on other pages when we get new Pokémon. I think it is best that we keep it there. Besides, is says art... may not be official. —darklordtrom 03:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

the type matchups are useless

the type-matchups are just speculation, as the official types have not been annnounced, and zorua has not been annouced in any game where these types are confirmed. just saying.- unsigned comment from The snargret guy (talk • contribs)

Please sign your comments.--Pokélova(Talk) 22:59, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

You do have a point... I guess we will see what an Admin says. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 23:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

In this instance, we shall include it because nothing to the contrary has been announced. At the current time, that's how it stacks up. If Generation V does an unexpected shakeup of the type effectiveness chart, we shall adjust accordingly. Regards, —darklordtrom 12:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Chinese (Taiwan) names

The Official Taiwanese Pokémon Anime Distributor Website has already revealed the movie in Chinese and Zoroa & Zoroark's Mandarin Chinese names. Zoroa is 索羅亞 Suǒluóyà and Zoroark is 索羅亞克 Suǒluóyàkè. They're basically phonetic transliterations of their Japanese names. Hope that someone with powers will add them. --Maxim 14:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Tod

Isn't a Baby Fox called a Tod? User:Cynthia149 20:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't heard that term before, you can't expect it to change to "Zorua is likely based on a tod" I don't think many people would be familiar with that. There's nothing wrong with using baby fox. —♥ Jello 19:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

It's an old english pronouncation on describing a baby fox, like Cub to a baby bear and big cat, puppies to a baby dog and Kittens to a baby cat and baby rabbit. If you read the Peter Rabbit books and watch the disney movie 'The Fox and the Hound,' the foxes are named Tod. If comfused to what I've said, call it a Fox Cub instead! User:Cynthia149 21:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I fail to see how any of this matters lol, call him a tod if you want, i doubt it'll enter any articles. If you're so dedicated to tom's around the world add it to vulpix's page (sarcasm, with all due respect) (: Malake256 04:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to ask

Why are all the type effectiveness charts displayed as sixteen "Unknown"s with x1? I thought I remember reading we decided that we should keep the current effectiveness. Can't remember where, but I know it was one of the first things on the talk page.--Mtn otter I lie in wait...... 02:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I was wrong. The section I meant was three sections above this one.--Mtn otter I lie in wait...... 02:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I just clicked the Purge button and it seemed to fix it, so it looks like a cache glitch, and should be fixed for everyone, given that it purged the server cache. Werdnae (talk) 03:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Moves

I saw that it was confirmed that Zorua learns an attack called Trickery from many reliable sources, including CoroCoro. The attack, although only gives the description, attacks the opponent using their own stats. (so steelix would get almost no damage and rampardos would recieve heavy damage) Zoroark also learns claw sharpen, which raises attack and accuracy(but it is not known by how much), though it hasn't been confirmed if Zorua does. - unsigned comment from Jmassacre (talk • contribs)

No.--ForceFire 13:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

First Non-legendary event only?

I may be wrong about this, but aren't Zorua and Zoroark the first non-legendary event exlusive pokèmon? If this is true, shouldn't it be added to the trivia? 67h5r6h 02:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

While we do now that both of them can be obtained by events, we don't know that they are exclusive to these events. In addition, Rotom's appliance forms were the first (causing them to be banned from tournaments), but the release of HGSS made them available outside of events too. --SnorlaxMonster 05:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

A Few Quick Changes

Four things, number one, I think (as I said before) that I agree that we should put in the part concerning Zorua's head tuft looking somewhat like a flame. Number two, the person who did write the description failed to mention Zorua's cheek fur so I think we should add it in as well, the final edited part looking like this. "Zorua's ears are triangular with dark insides, and it has a large, whorled scruff of fur on its head that resembles a flame, tipped with red coloration. Its eyes appear to possess no pupils, and its eyelids and circular "eyebrow" markings are red. Zorua seems to have small spikes of fur on its cheeks, possesses a ruff of black fur around its neck, and limbs tipped with red." Number three, to find this page in the search bar you can type in either "Zorua" or "Zoroa", I know this will be fixed when the english name comes out, but bear in mind THAT BOTH SEARCHES LEAD TO THIS PAGE, so typing in "Zoroa" gets you to the "Zorua" page! I think we should change it to "Zoroa" seeing how it evolves into "Zoroark". And finally, four. Instead of saying 0 cycles and 0 steps to hatch Under "Breeding", shouldn't it say say something like "Amount of Cycles/Steps Unknown"? If this fourth minor fix does get fixed can it be fixed for every other yet-to-be-released Pokemon? Minna-san, Arigato Gozaimasu. NEOgreenSOROU 11:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

1 and 2. Seem reasonable. 3. Zoroa redirects here as that is the exact romanisation, but Zorua is the trademarked romanisation. Take Regigigas for example, which has a direct romanisation of Rejigigasu, but a trademarked romanisation of Regigigas. On Bulbapedia, we will give the trademarked romanistion, as these are official. I don't see the problem with having an alternate name redirect to the Pokémon's page. 4. It's just blank for now. It's not possible for something to have 0 egg cycles, so it should be fine for now; however, it might be better to hide that part until we know what it is. --SnorlaxMonster 12:38, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, hiding it would be good. Whatever we Bulbapedia/Pokemon nerds (XD lol) can do to make it less confusing for the non-obsessed. P.S. It is possible for a pokemon do have 0 cycles/steps, I mean you can't breed a legendary. Therefore resulting in technically resulting in 0 cycles/steps. But usually there would be a little note saying that it CAN'T breed, so there should be a little note here saying that we don't know what it takes TO breed, or hatch, whatever. NEOgreenSOROU 13:05, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, even legendary Pokémon have egg cycles, but they are not used (except on Manaphy). Check the legendary Pokémon's pages and you will see that we do give these with a a side note that they cannot be legitimately obtained as an egg. --SnorlaxMonster 07:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay I checked Dialga and noticed that there are steps and cycles but where"s the sidenote? I can't find where the "*" leads to. Also, if you cant obtain it legitimately from an egg, the note should be somewhere really close? Shouldn't it? And for the other legendaries too. NEOgreenSOROU 15:24, 21 July 2010 (UTC)