Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga/Archive 1

Special sub-project

After much searching on my part on some seedier parts of the internets, I've found a site that contains all of the Special chapters. This site is Manga Fox which also contains many other manga for your possible enjoyment (it is clean and I have never exprienced a pop-up from the site while running AVG, Norton, and a simple generic firewall, although there are many ads that annoy). Easiest way to get to it is to Google it, then follow a drop down menu to Pokemon Adventures. I feel we need to rally and fix up all of the Special articles, which are in shoddy states at the moment. People who are good editors can get pictures pretty cleanly as well. I therefore propose that we create a Special special project (ha) and try and update all of the info on the site. Should be intresting Aura-Knight 01:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

We all know that the Special pages need work, I started at the beginning and am reading my way up to the chapters without pages. If you hadn't noticed, there is work on these pages: for example, I have personally made PS001-PS013 better so far, and plan to continue once the TCG is under control. And, all of the manga sections are in "shoddy states" at the moment, there is no need to create a subpage when this project already covers all bases. Singling out Pokémon Special is unfair when all the other mangas need coverage as well and are in worse condition than Pokémon Special! ^Moldy_Orange 01:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair point, just wanted to get out the site (not advertising for it by the way) because a lot of people wanted to read the manga and figured, "Hey, if they're reading it, they can edit in some of the info and kill two birds with one stone." And I figured if enough people did this on a regular basis, might as well form a sub-project out of it anyway. I also noticed your work and appreciated it, I was reading all of it then going back to work on the pages. Aura-Knight 01:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I just don't see the need for a seperate project that would do the exact same thing that this one already does. ^Moldy_Orange 01:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Ditto and what we need is more people to help cause only like 3/5 users of the Project actually help.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 02:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I would Like to join

I would like to join the project Manga and help make it better and can give synopis and characters for some of the specials but I can't find the pictures.

The Grunt with the butt, should he have his own article?

Discussion on the "Galactic Grunt" talk page. --Sato 12:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Green and Blue

Wasnt it decided that Blue is Gary in english and Green is Leaf, so they should be named that, not their japaneese names, since this is an english wikipedia, not a japaneese wiki? I find them very misleading. That is the reason everybody gets their names confused. --Blake 00:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

No I prefer to use Japanese the English screws it up.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 00:25, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I still think it should be switched. I just searched "Green"(leaf) and got sent to "Blue"(Gary)... Why should we change to the opposite way just because "you prefer it that way"? I mean you are the leader of the project, but come on! --Blake 00:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

See talk:blue (Special) for more arguments... this ought to be in the one place... — THE TROM — 00:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I wasnt sure if people patroled both places. --Blake 00:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Movie12?

If you dont mind...i am willing to fill the synopsis of the movie12..if you could let me..i will not make a move without your permission....seriously"☆AngelGuardian☆" 10:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

PokéSpecial chapter article screenshots

I'm just curious as to what "standard" the images uploaded for the PS chapter articles should be. I've managed to grab my other copies from my old house, so I should be able to start filling in those red links. However the only way I can really get some of the images from them is by taking pictures of the book itself, since I don't own a scanner. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 09:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Scanned would be very nice. But if you do decide to upload them my other ways and it comes out bad, just be sure to add {{bad picture}} incase. And I prefer to be PS___.png (or jpg) depending on quality. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 09:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Moves

On the Pokémon pages (Poli) are the moves meant to be sorted in any particular order, because it seems to me it should go in order of appearance, and on the actual pages for the moves, should "In the Manga" be added or not?--Spriteit 07:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes I recommend that the moves be in order of appearance. As for the moves I'm thinking about if it should or shouldn't be in it. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 07:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

So is that they go in, or is it a "let me think"? Sarcasm is hard to detect on the net.--Spriteit 07:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It's a "let me think" as I said in my last post. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 08:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Your confusion sense was correct. --Spriteit 08:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, if the articles on them are being written like the anime character's Pokemon which generally have move, why not here. If anything, at least it makes the articles look like they have more content...

*starts digging back through to find complete movesets* TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 14:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, but I've just started the manga, that's why I asked. Especially for the attack pages, I figure, I'm reading them, might as well grab them whilst I'm there.--Spriteit 07:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, I think I may have misread the OP. On the Pokémon pages, yes sort by first appearance. But I don't think that they're notable enough to warrant adding onto the move pages themselves. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 14:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why not, or, they could be merged into the anime template, just for the description? --Spriteit 02:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I decided it's going to be no. Because the manga is in Black and White, which is just bland unlike the games and anime. But unless a higher up decides to add it in it's going to be no.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 02:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

DPA templates?

I created a Hareta's Pokémon template. looks like this:

Hareta's Pokémon
In rotation:	Empoleon	Luxray	Misdreavus	Onix	Lucario	Regigigas
	Kadabra	Minun
Status unknown:	Geodude	Zubat	Bonsly	Chingling
Temporary:	Deoxys	Shaymin	Giratina

it that ok? SHould I create more templates for, you know, other manga ppl? ---> ²²³_david 11:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Odd that is was not been created before. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 20:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

well, do we need one? ---> ²²³_david 05:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon listings

Hey manga dudes... Just a thought: Trom created {{trainerpkmn}} for me for the anime articled originally, but you guys can use them for manga sections as well... They would make the manga sections of many characters much better. --electAbuzzzz 11:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I had a look and it probably will make the on hand sections of the characters better. I just hope that we have a half-decent picture of all their Pokémon though... TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 16:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Some people have the mangas and can get scans. Anyway, the template works without images, too. --electAbuzzzz 17:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well then, went and stuck in the template with scans for all of the Pokémon on the page for Hareta. I've also scanned all of Mitsumi's and Jun's Pokémon, but I'll worry about putting them up later. --Sato 10:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Good work - but why didn't you include Bonsly and Chingling? If it's because you don't have a scan yet, just use noimage.png, it'll work. I'd do it myself but I don't have the information... Also, try expanding each Pokémon's section. --electAbuzzzz 11:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I got scans of them just like all the rest, but while I was going through updating it, I figured that it probably wasn't worth the effort of including them, as the only thing we know about either of them is that they were caught and never seen again. I can add them in though. --Sato 12:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

It would probably be best - even if only so we won't have two different ways of displaying the Pokémon in the same section. --electAbuzzzz 12:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Well then, added them in. As for expanding the Pokémon sections... I should be able to do that, but I don't particularly feel like it at the moment. So it'll have to wait for now. --Sato 12:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it unnessasaryily makes the page alot bigger. If they want a summary of the Pokémon, then go to their page. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 22:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

1) What is unnessasaryily? 2) It is good do we don't have to make a page on every Pokémon a person has. Helps a lot with them. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 22:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Blake, the whole point of that template is that we don't need pages for every single Pokémon. Only the major ones. The template is slowly replacing the smaller, crappy articles. --electAbuzzzz 22:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Special vs Adventures

Discussion's been getting a little... heated over on whatcha-ma-call-her's talk page about the whole PokéSpecial naming scheme on the wiki. While I personally don't give much of a crap about whether all the articles and such are named based on Special or Adventures, it's obvious a lot of people do.

So, to at least try to establish some sort of consensus, can those of us who are adamant that the naming scheme remain based on Special bring forth some argument to keep it as such, other than "It's too much work". I'd gladly go around and change everything, at least once I get back from my holidays.

Also, a list of what would need to be changed and whether or not a bot would be capable of doing so would be nice as well :)

TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 16:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

As TTE pointed out "Special is special, so it's staying at Special." no moving nothing else case closed. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 21:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, I highly doubt very many of the sysops and manga experts would even give serious consideration to the issue unless evidence proves to be anything other than LaprasBoi vs. Bulbapedia. My 2¢: LaprasBoi is outnumbered. --Shiningpikablu252 21:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

So... What exactly makes Special special? Why does it have different treatment to EVERY OTHER ASPECT of the franchise? Why should we have certain characters going by their Japanese names when every other aspect of the franchise uses terms from the English version? It's not like these are things that have no English equivalent or even one of those rare things that is the same in both languages, they distinctly have official English terminology, which considering the status of everything else on the wiki should be used. --Sato 02:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Special alone isn't special. PiPiPi is special. The fact that these manga are more uncommon outside of Japan and are more or less eclipsed by the show about an idiot and his rat are to blame. Plus, there's the little fact that we've had them at Special ever since... forever. Even after our "English = better" ruling back in '05. We've not moved the episodes to their English titles, because it's better as it is in the epicode format, even though that format is only used in Japan. Special is a very special case because of the whole Green/Blue thing. Point is, because Special is Tajiri's intent, and it came Red, Green, Blue, Yellow not Red, Blue, screw off, Yellow.

Plus, hey, Danerina's at her Japanese name, despite the fact that she had no nickname in English. If anything her page would put her at Bulbasaur (MPJ). TTEchidna 02:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh and by the way. Why a bot couldn't do it? If it was asked to change every aspect of Green to Blue and Blue to Green it'd keep changing them back and forth to link to the same character every time. Not to mention the asanine redirection we'd have to employ. Remember as well that in the US it's still the Red, Green, and Blue chapter, not the Red, Blue, and Green chapter. TTEchidna 02:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Certainly a solid counter argument. I honestly don't think I can argue against some of those points beyond "Yeah, but what about the English consistency?". (Which is still a valid argument, but it's already been used and wears easily when repeated over and over. :P) As for the bots though, would it really be that hard? I mean, if you take it multi-step so that say... Change "Green" to "Sandwich". Change "Blue" to "Green". Change "Sandwich" to "Blue". (And of course, "Sandwich" in this case is a placeholder for what could be ANYTHING.) --Sato 03:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

This has got to be the biggest discussion on bulbapedia ever. pretty much everything here is the same on Blue's talk page. So what if its Pokémon special and not adventures? does it really matter? is it because of that ppl are making discussions that are already being discussed? Admins have already said "Special, not adventures" and yet ppl are still Tackling them? It is pointless and all it does hurt the helpful community that ppl have tried so hard to acheive ---> ²²³_david 03:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Biggest discussion on Bulbapedia ever? Not likely. Most trivial debate on Bulbapedia ever? Certainly not. No one is trying to "hurt" the community, it's just that different people have different opinions on what is best for it. It is perfectly natural to have debates over certain things and I would argue that debates such as these can be beneficial for the community, as regardless of the outcome it gives us an opportunity to analyze our practices and determine what works best. We all love this wiki and pour a lot of work into it. But when trying to be a definitive database of all things Pokémon, sometimes certain things have to be discussed in great detail to determine the best methods. --Sato 05:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I could care less about the Special/Adventures thing. People call them by both names, but it doesnt hurt because there arent two different mangas called Special and Adventures. Calling Blue Green, and Green Blue is very confusing. You dont know which person they are talking about. The official name for the guy is Blue, while the girl is Green. I fail to see what the problem with changing their names to the correct titles is.--Blake 18:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Because it all basically boils down to Japanese names/titles vs. English names/titles. Personally, since I know about both, I couldn't give a crap - but I'm sure others who are being poisoned by VIZ are thinking to themselves, "What sort of pot are these editors getting high on?". Also in all fairness, saying "we're not changing it because I said so" is a bit of a cop-out. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 03:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Well like I said, I wouldnt care if they had their separate names. Its just that the names conflict each other is the problem. It is confusing for the readers as a very large majority of them have no idea that the names are swiched. --_Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 03:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Just saw this page, sorry, here's my original post from the Blue/Green (female) discussion page: I don't mean to kindle an old fire since this has gone for a little while without discussion, but I'll throw this in there anyway as I hadn't seen it mentioned. Why are you considering naming the articles on popularity in the first place? For what's supposed to be the most reliable Pokémon 'pedia around, shouldn't it always be using the most official English sources for its content? The whole notion that you should use Japanese names because they're more popular is ridiculous and couldn't reek any more of fanon, because half of the anime community still call Ash Satoshi Gary Shigeru and all that, it really shouldn't matter what people think. If it mattered what people think, why is the Gen IV Rival's game-name Pearl? I'm pretty sure next to noone calls him that compared to how popular names like Barry are. Yes, I understand a lot of pages would need fixed links and all that, but since when does "it's too hard/it'll take too long" come into making a reliable wiki? Also, apologies in advance if this discussion is more current elsewhere. I had a little look around but I'm pretty new - Even so I'm willing to help change the page names if need be once I know the ropes.--SuperLink 12:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure Pearl is based of game data. Besides, thats his Manga name, so it only makes sense the game name is the same. Although his anime name is Barry, that is only a selectable name in the games. Hidden game data says that he his Pearl. Just like with all the other characters. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 13:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Hidden game data calls him something else entirely (Cedric iirc), the name Pearl is based off his default from the Japanese version I think (again, not the English name). Also the anime is closer to game canon than Adventures is; other than characters like Ash, Gary, Prima, Jimmy and Marina, all characters have the exact same name as their game counterparts. Besides, this isn't about GenIV Rival, I just used him as an example of "naming based on popularity" being a pretty hypocritical thing to say.--SuperLink 13:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, whatever happened to that poll idea? (holding a poll to see how many BP users prefer Female Blue/Special vs. Male Blue/Adventures) HGSS's been out for a while now... ZestyCactus 18:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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Looks like that argument got a resolution (which I noticed about 14 hours ago!) TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 22:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Is anybody actually Helping?

So far, I don't really see any improvements in any area around manga. Im adding the missing articles in Pkmn special, what is everone else doing? ---> ²²³_david 09:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

*Sigh* I'm helping in any manga yes there are no improvements and whatnot but soon hopefully they will be expanded and not stubby. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 09:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

*Sighs* I'm added like, one article every 5 min here >_< ---> ²²³_david 09:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I was doing the RS arc of Special ^_^; heh and yea some of the ones you made I had saved on my pc so I'll delete those... and many thanks for helping. ^_^ --☆Coolピカチュウ! 09:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

np ^_^. Ive been trying to find a place to read it for years (Really!). Then i saw this page, why not return the Favour? :P ---> ²²³_david 09:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you help with the FRLG and Emerald arcs if you can? Also end of discussion --☆Coolピカチュウ! 09:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

<not end of discussion> ok, after i finish RuSp. </not end of discussion><end of discussion> ---> ²²³_david 09:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

If you really want to know why there's a distinct lack of people working on stuff, feel free to come to Fermoy and live with me for a week. Things on the Internet distract you very easily, even when you say you're going to start writing PS summaries and/or taking in-book pictures :/

TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 23:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

True, true. luckily (for bulbapedia, not for me :( *Sniff*) im not at home right now, im currently at Mainland china where my dad works for summer. and in here almost Everything is banned. Yes, Facebook...Youtube.... you name it, its banned :(. Oh well, at least it helps bulbapedia :P ---> 223☆Dåv]d 12:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Special Rounds pics?

in almost every rounds in bulbapedia, theres no pic uploaded onto it, should we upload a pic, call it PS123.png, PS124.png... ? ---> ²²³_david 10:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 10:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

End of Discussion? ---> ²²³_david 10:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yea ¬¬. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 10:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure Article

Shouldn't someone make an article on it? I don't think it's the one about the {{Pokémon Special|Special}}

Ok, I didn't mean that, I meant {{Pokémon Special}}

What the heck! I meant to link a page on Pokémon Special! Gosh! - unsigned comment from The Bulb's Master (talk • contribs)

Um, we do have a article on it, its just that we have to work on the redirects. And please sign next time (~~~~) k? Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure! <---heres the article ---> 223☆Dåv]d 13:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

btw if you want to know why its showing the templates, youre using {{blah}}, thats for templates. Links are [[blah]] Example: {{ }} is {{Pokémon Special}} while [[ ]] is Pokémon Special. ---> 223☆Dåv]d 13:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Ash's Oddish

Does Ash's Oddish (from the Electric Tale of Pikachu) warrant its own page or no? ZestyCactus 06:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

LIf it is notable enough to deserve its own article. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 06:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I haven't read the manga, and clearly CP hasn't either, but just ask yourself: did Oddish have any character development? Did it affect the plot in any way other than battling? Can you write more than two short paragraphs about it? --electAbuzzzz 09:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I've read the chapter and Oddish isn't even used in battling. Allthough I can extend each paragraph without lying or exagerating. Lunick v sonela 17:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Ash had an Oddish? I’ve read it a dozen times and totally forgot that. Where did it appear? I would say no, no page. --LaprasBoi 16:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I only own the first two volumes so idk about the last two... but it appears in ET08 ZestyCactus 17:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah. There it is. One of the artist’s favorite Pokémon to draw, in one panel, half-hidden. Not notable. --LaprasBoi 22:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Why the change?

Now don’t get me wrong, I am by NO MEANS complaining, it just took me by surprise. As some of you know, I have been a vocal proponent of Adventures, MPJ, and BlueboyGreengirl for a loooong time. But the response I have gotten from the administration( TTE and C!P) and numerous other users was the non-flaming equivalent of “shut up and go away, we’re tired of hearing you, our way is more common and better, plus it’s too much work even though you offered to do all the work yourself”( again, I stress, no one was actually that rude about it). So why the sudden about-face? Especially when there is a chance that Nintendo themselves may permanently make the Blue confusion official( albeit the other way around) by changing his name to Green in HG/SS-English? Did that user poll ever happen, is that how this came about( I never saw it posted anywhere)? Or was it just soul-searching from upper management that led to the change? --LaprasBoi 16:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

English wiki. English names. —darklordtrom 20:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, which is an argument that I( and others) made repeatedly in the past, only to be shot down[1][2][3][4][5][6] or ignored. My question was not the basic rationale, which has been clear to many of us for a long time, but why there has been a sudden change in the “Special is special” policy( see links 4 and 5 ) when the EiC and Manga project leader have both been vehemently opposed for so long. --LaprasBoi 22:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

There is more than one person in charge, you know. The EiC has a whole editorial board below him and the Bulbagarden executives above him. Sometimes we have disagreements and vote. I brought the subject to a staff discussion, and majority (including some of our higher-ups) ruled that we do the move. So we did the move. --electAbuzzzz 22:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

No, I don’t know, actually. I knew there was a board, I don’t know how often staff discussions occur, and didn’t know you had a vote, which is why I am asking this. As far as I know, that occurrence has not previously been mentioned to the general community, only the action of moving, and only after the fact. Which is fine, you’re not a democratic government, you don’t need to be totally transparent, but having a private administrative process means that occasionally people will ask questions about how and/or why things get done. Thanks for clearing that up, though. --LaprasBoi 23:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon Listing

The pages of the main characters for Adventures special. Not all of them have detailed Pokemon listings (none past the first four main characters). What I need to know is someone to help with creating comprehensive stuff on the Pokemon listings and more then anything I need someone who can make pictures for seperate Pokemon because when I try to I take off the whole page. Any takers? I just did Yellow's Pokemon but only have one picture for Chuchu. BrokenMotor 02:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The reason there aren't many lists now is that the {{trainerpkmn}} template is relatively new. I did the tables on Red, Blue, and Green, and someone else did Gold. I was gonna keep going soon. I'll find pictures and stuff when I have time, but you can feel free to keep going even without extra details - someone will go over the tables you create and expand them. However one thing I do have to ask of you - see the template's talk page to know how to use the template properly. --electAbuzzzz 10:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay but I want to do Silver and I want to make a main link for his Red Gyarados, but since it doesn't follow traditional scheming how would I do that?- unsigned comment from BrokenMotor (talk • contribs)

Put main=no to avoid autolinking, and then in the main text add it manually by entering {{main|Red Gyarados}} --electAbuzzzz 11:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Main Articles

I think that there are several Pokemon Articles that deserve main articles. Arckee for Crystal is one, and another is Diamond's Lax. Any takers? BrokenMotor 01:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Explain. Specify exactly how they are notable? --☆Coolピカチュウ! 03:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Well Arckee was the main cause of Crystal's injury and it is also one of her most powerful and most used Pokémon. Abd I think along with its second encounter with Larvitar makes it more important then the rest. And Lax was Diamon'd first Pokémon and comparable to Chahiko, almost a mirror with Diamond and Pearl so they should both deserve main articles. BrokenMotor 04:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Chahiko is on the verge of deletion so that's not a very good reason beside it is Dia's starter. As for Arkee... It seems to pass this a bit. Read this to make sure it truly is notable. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 04:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Well I think that the accident involving Crystal is very important toward the development of her character. And the whole altercation with Larvitar is pretty notable as well. But I looked over the Chahiko article and you're right there, and that was my main reason for suggesting Lax in the first place. Whatever, not as important, I think Arckee deserves an article because it is the only one of Crystal's Pokémon that really deserves one besides Mega. BrokenMotor 23:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, make it if it does not have sufficient information, it'll be redirected to Crystal. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 02:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Spe- er, Adventures natures

I just spent waaaaaaaay too much time on Netkun taking note of all the natures they had of various Pokemon, and I figure that I might as well share the list here so that... idk, it doesn't go completely to waste or something. :/ Someone can put them in the appropriate articles or something I guess if they want? Though some of the Pokemon are just completely random and I don't know why they were even given natures in the first place but here they are.

Red
Pika - Sassy
Saur - Gentle
Poli - Brave
Lax - Impish
Gyara - Lonely
Aero - Hasty
Vui - Mild

Blue
Scizor - Docile
Charizard - Bold
Machamp - Bashful
Golduck - Serious
Ninetales - Modest
Pidgeot - Hardy
Porigon2 - Quirky
Rhydon - Mild

Green
Blasty - Jolly
Clefy - Naughty
Ditty - Rash
Wigglytuff - Lax
Nidochan - Quiet (Quirky as Nidoqueen)
Snubbull - Timid
Abra - Quirky

Yellow
Ratty - Hardy
Kitty - Brave
Dody - Hasty
Gravvy - Quirky
Omny - Docile
Chuchu - Mild

Gold
Explotaro - Impish
Ataro - Naive
Poltaro - Quiet
Sintaro - Serious
Utaro - Jolly
Mantaro - Calm
Totaro - Naughty
Pichu - Naughty

Silver
Feraligatr - Quiet
Kingdra - Serious
Gyarados - Sassy
(Lance's) Tyranitar - Quirky

Crystal
Mega - Hardy
Arckee - Hasty

Ruby
ZUZU - Relaxed
NANA - Adamant
COCO - Naive
RURU - Gentle
MIMI - Modest
POPO - Careful
Plusle - Jolly

Sapphire
Toro - Quiet
Rono - Naughty
Walo - Bold
Dono - Hasty
Pilo - Calm
Relo - Hardy
Minun - Naive

Emerald
Sceptile - Hasty
Dusclops - Lonely

Diamond
Wig - Relaxed
Lax - Impish
Pu - Careful

Pearl
Chimhiko - Naughty
Chahiko - Hasty

Platinum
Empoleon - Serious
Rapidash - Modest
Lopunny - Naive

Oak
Spearow - Hardy

Misty
Starmie - Hardy

Pryce
Swinub - Mild

Norman
Slaking - Sassy

Roxanne
Nosepass - Adamant

Bill
Farfetch'd - Hasty
Magikarp - Careful

Guile
Surskit - Bold

Mewtwo - Quiet

If there are any Japanese names still mixed in there, my apologies; I typed them down as they were registered in my mind, and though I went back to put the English names all in, I might have missed some. D: 梅子^❀_✿ 02:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Permission granted go ahead and add them away Ume. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 02:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Heh, I think I need to take a break from the computer after all that, but I'll be happy to add them in later if someone hasn't already gotten to it. Where on the articles should they be added? 梅子^❀_✿ 02:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I added an optional "nature" field to the infobox, and filled it for Red's Pokémon. --electAbuzzzz 12:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Awesome, I've finished up all the natures for the main characters and have moved on to the side characters. I feel like some of the natures of side characters' Pokemon might be better off moved to Trivia, but I'm just going to go with what I'm doing for now... 梅子^❀_✿ 17:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

The Electric Tale of Pikachu and volume titles

Sorry about the rash moves, I didn’t realize there was an “ongoing” discussion on the series article’s talk page. But really, no debate has occurred since January, at which time adding “The” was favored. And in the wake of the Adventures decision, logic and policy seem clear: official English titles( where available) on the English wiki. Anyway, if/when my moves are restored, I forgot an exclamation point at the end of the series and first volume titles, be sure to include it. --LaprasBoi 17:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

you dont just start moving pages like that. those pages are linked to hundreds of other pages on the site, and those pages need to be changed. if you see an outdated discussion, bring it up again. now, when CoolPika (Project Leader) comes online, he will make the decision. -- MAGNEDETH 17:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

That is exactly why MediaWiki automatically creates redirects upon moving. Even links to specific sections should still work. Unlike Blue and Green, which were preexisting articles/redirects with pre-existing links to the names via templates, these moves will break few or no links. And a bot can update the hundreds of pages to bypass the redirects. There may, in some cases, be good reasons not to move pages, but the specific ones you give here are trivial. The only concern I can think is the server load of the redirects, something I admittedly know little about, which can be handled when a bot bypasses them. --LaprasBoi 19:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I personally think the article title should include the "The". VIZ's first volume is called "The Electric Tale of Pikachu!" and all four volumes of Chuang Yi's translation are called "The Electric Tale of Pikachu". Just saying. :P --ZestyCactus 23:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Move protection

Is every manga round supposed to get move protection? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Same standard as anime episodes. --Shiningpikablu252 02:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Basically, anything that's epicoded should be move protected. --electAbuzzzz 09:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Ani-Manga

This has been bugging me for a while... do those Ani-Manga books fall under the umbrella of books or manga? :S (at this point in time, they're sorted under books, with Project Merchandise) --ZestyCactus 02:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I would consider them as books, as they are not their own series and tend to be based on the anime hence, Ani-manga. So keeping it at books would be fine. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 04:22, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what I figured, just thought I'd double check. --ZestyCactus 04:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Magical Pokémon Journey

I know it's not at the top of the to-do list, but I've been looking at the MPJ articles and well, they really need to work. May I suggest something? If it's alright with whoever's in charge, I can add the anime pokemon template to all the main Pokemon characters, but there are a bunch of Pokemon also listed as "main characters" that only appear a few times. Even if they are recurring characters, they don't have much info to use, and all of their articles are stubs. Could we possibly create one page of just "other Pokemon characters in MPJ", and maybe list them using the TrainerPoke template? In the very least, just make a page for all the other Pokemon characters. They aren't notable enough for their own pages. ..did that make sense? --The ωild Snoωrunt fled! 14:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The project leader is busy lately to work on manga. You have my permission to add it to the main characters but, be sure you are using it right when adding them. Magical Pokémon Journey is a current lacking info so any help would be liked just be sure to ask before doing anything else. As for other characters "Reoccurring characters in Magical Pokémon Journey" would be a nice title. Also mine showing some examples in the userspace to what are going to do with the characters and templates as well. Thanks, --☆Coolピカチュウ! 22:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

What are we gonna do...

...with the round titles (assuming they're different) when Pokémon Adventures volume 8 comes out from Viz? Like, which one will be the "default" title, Viz or Chuang Yi? --ZestyCactus 20:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

hmm..well viz translated it first right? and even if they havent traslated volumes in years the ones who know what they are doing should be used (chuang yi makes horrible mistakes..) (Ataro 20:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC))

The only problem is that with volumes 8 and onward, Chuang Yi technically translated them first, even though Viz had a head start ^^' I know we often seem to prefer Viz, but I want to double check before the volume is released next month :P --ZestyCactus 20:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

well..why not use both? have one title for whatever viz comes with and the one chuang yi has (like Vs. ariados (chuang yi) and have it say (insert viz name here) Viz version....I'm not good at describing (Ataro 21:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC))

For now, I'd go with VIZ first. But we need to vote among the editors, no ;) ? --☆Coolピカチュウ! 03:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, that's a good idea! I guess we have to decide how to present it though. Maybe with tt's? as in

Chapter Name or Chapter Name 2 (Japanese: Japaense title Romanized title) is the 590348950th round of the Pokémon Adventures manga created by Hidenori Kusaka and illustrated by Satoshi Yamamoto."

This is assuming they have different titles of course ^^' --ZestyCactus 16:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that was my idea as well ^^;. I have an example for the template as well. --☆CoolPikachu! 22:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Gold's Pokémon

Why are Gold's Pokémon's nicknames being changed to Viz's version? VIZ's came out several years earlier, after all. Is it somehow not canon anymore? --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 03:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

It was decided that since VIZ's version came out first, we should change it to match their version. Yes, Chuang Yi came out first but, VIZ's translation of the series came first. --☆CoolPikachu! 03:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Where was this? --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 03:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Where was what? --☆CoolPikachu! 03:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Where was the discussion? --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 03:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

It was decided by me and some higher-ups. --☆CoolPikachu! 03:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

So by fiat rather than community consensus? --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 03:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, some members of the project agreed to it as well. --☆CoolPikachu! 03:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

By which you mean yourself and some higher-ups. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 03:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

No, if you want to know then it's on my talk page. Also, I am the leader of the manga project on Bulbapedia so I also have a say on how the manga section runs. I also know, for a fact, that you are biased against VIZ, so the community may include you, you are not the only person in it. --☆CoolPikachu! 03:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, think of it this way: will the typical, casual English-speaking fan search for the nicknames used by Viz, whose translations are more accessible to the English-speaking world, or for the ones used by Chuang Yi, whose translations are near impossible to obtain outside of Singapore (no overseas shipping) or via illegal scans of the books? 梅子^❀_✿ 03:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

What matters is which should be considered more official (rather than which is easier to obtain); this is clearly Chuang Yi's version because it was released much earlier. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 03:48, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Well this is pretty similar to Bell Tower vs. Tin Tower. Tin Tower came first, but since HGSS is much more recent, it's more easily-obtainable and widely-known throughout the fanbase, which means we use Bell Tower instead. As such, Aibo is more likely to be known throughout the English-speaking fanbase over Ataro (disregarding illegal scans), especially once the volumes end up released.

Plus, if I recall correctly, we have a policy (or at least some kind of guideline) on using North American names whenever possible, over other countries, which includes Singapore. Which is the main reason for the Special → Adventures change, among other things. ~ solaris 04:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Why would that affect Special/Adventures? Chuang Yi also called it Pokémon Adventures. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 04:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Objection, Your Honor, the question is irrelevant to the facts of the case. In any case, disregard the example if you must, but the fact still stays the same: we use North American terms/names whenever possible. ~ solaris 04:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

The policy says to use English names whenever possible. Chuang Yi's version is English. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 12:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I think Maxim's explanation basically sums it up. --☆CoolPikachu! 20:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Manga crew

When is an article about a manga artist no longer considered a stub? Something like Muneo Saitō is obviously incomplete, but what about something like Yumi Tsukirino? --ZestyCactus 15:35, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

PA Volume 8 cover

The VIZ Volume 8 cover we have up is not the final version... The final version is more like the Volume 9 & later covers; it has the word “ADVENTURES” in shiny gold print( rather than the plain yellow of the V. 1-7 2nd Ed.s), plus the little “GOLD & SILVER” emblem beneath. I would upload it myself but my scanner is old and I can’t get it to work properly with my current computer. --LaprasBoi 14:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)