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Just wondering?

In the Japanese version's of any main series game, does the word "version" exist or is that just international usage. Because on the box arts it just say for example Pearl or Ruby.--Pokéboy93 02:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Trivia

  • Each generation's third version does not use its mascots official Ken Sugimori artwork. Blastoise (Japanese), Pikachu (Japanese and English), Suicune, Rayquaza, and Giratina use specially made artwork.

The original Red, Green, and Blue, and the English Gold and Silver don't seem to use the official artwork either. Am I wrong? Or did he publish more than one official work of these back then? - MK (t/c) 07:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Colors

I don't know where else to put this, so since I noticed it here first, I'll put it here. I'm not very familiar with the way wikis work, but I've noticed in the source that each Version has its own "color". I'm not talking about the name of the game, I'm talking about the HTML color that it's assigned in the wiki. For example, Red Version's "color" ("red color") is #FF1111, and FireRed's "color" ("firered color") is #FFAAAA. Anyway, what I'd like to know is...where did those specific colors come from? How were those specific colors chosen? And why aren't White and Black Version's "colors" #000000 and #FFFFFF, respectively, instead of what they are currently (#444444 and #C3C3C3, respectively)? I can understand that lighter/darker colors were chosen for visibility purposes, but as the colors are right now, SoulSilver's color (#E1E1E1) is whiter than White's own color! It just doesn't look right, having White Versions be less white than SoulSilver Version... —Tyeforce 22:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Well... we also have "Black color dark/light" and "White color dark/light". You can't make white lighter, and you can't make black darker. Sooo. Also it's a really bad idea to have pure white text... when the default background is white. Another thing is, as you pointed out, Red isn't pure #ff0000. So why should BW be their 'pure' color? D:
... oh yeah and #000 is kinda the default text color, too... >_> ▫▪Ťïňắ ♫♥ 22:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I understand that. But shouldn't we change either SoulSilver's color or White's color, because it doesn't look right with SoulSilver's color being whiter than White's... Also, is there a page that lists all the colors, along with their light and dark versions? I'd like to make a list of them all, but digging through the source code isn't exactly the most convenient method, lol. (I'm using the colors for something I'm doing.) —Tyeforce 23:18, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I apologise for the format; I took these out of an Excel file I have. Some of the light colors are now outdated (as in, we changed them on the pedia and I didn't change them on my sheet) and I only have up until Platinum.
Hope that helps. —darklordtrom 23:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I'm just curious... How were the colors for Colosseum and XD chosen? Also, what's the verdict on the SoulSilver/White color issue? —Tyeforce 23:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Generation V: Inverted Pairings

Generation V is the first time that the pairings between version color and version mascot are inverted. (I.E. Reshiram, the White Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon Black while Zekrom, the Black Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon White.) --Arima 03:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Font Colors

I haven't figured out how to but can someone change the font color for Red, Blue, Ruby and Sapphire in the box? They are either incredibly hard to see or you can't see them at all. --HoennMaster 19:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

SoulSilver and White

It doesn't look like this was ever concluded, but I agree that having SoulSilver a lighter color than White is odd. Ikarishipper900 15:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Version Concepts

This seems like as good a place as any to ask. Anyway, I was wondering if there's a spot on the Wiki that talks about the 'theme' of a generation. The Generation V page has a section on how Black and White is an exploration of polarity. Here's the relevant section from the March Nintendo Power: "We choose the titles to express the themes of each game. Like, diamonds are the hardest substance in the world, so that fit the theme of "ultimateness" in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl. This time we're pursuing a theme of "polarity," things that are defined by their opposition to each other. Take, for example, angles and demons, or light and shadow-if one didn't exist, the other would lose all meaning. "White" is a blank slate with potential to become anything, while "black" is complete and unchanging. So our intention actually wasn't to return to the basics, but to evoke that particular theme." What I'm wondering is, is there a place for this sort of thing on the main version pages. A line that says "Diamond and Pearl are named for being 'Ultimate', like how BW is named for 'Polarity'. Could this be included anywhere?--Purimpopoie 00:43, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I think that kind of thing would go best in the "Discussion of Generation X" section of each generation page. However, the version naming origin should also be on the pages of the game versions themselves, maybe in the trivia sections of those pages. --SnorlaxMonster 13:46, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Move

Is the discussion to move this page still ongoing or is it no longer being considered? - poikins 07:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I dont think it ever got past suggestion. I'm all for it (since I was the one that suggested it). --SnorlaxMonster 11:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
I think it should move as well. - poikins 23:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
I also agree with the move. A proper disscussion should at least take place. --Pokemaster97 23:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
I also agree that the page should be moved. ZMT123 21:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
I also think it should be moved. Version sounds like it should be about the differences between versions or what a version is, but Main series fits this article much better.--Darth Zekrom 22:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
So, are we moving this or what? ZMT123 04:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
The move will take a bit of editing in the article for it to make sense as titled "Main series", so if no one else wants to, I can start working on it. - poikins 19:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

A "version" is a game. It is a singular game entity. The "main series" is the entire series of games that headlines a generation, as well as their complimenting same-generation additions (ie: remakes). This article seems to walk the line between the two, as if it has an identity crisis at times. -- MAGNEDETH 04:35, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree, this article needs a rewrite. Something else I believe that should happen is the creation of a side series page, in line with the decision we made sometime last year IIRC, where side series is defined as Stadium, Colosseum, XD, Box, Ranch, and PBR, and is distinct from spin-off games as well as the main series. --SnorlaxMonster 12:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Abstain. If Colosseum and XD are considered "main series" (they do have full trading connectivity with RSE/FRLG, unlike side series games) then I agree that main series is a distinct concept from version. Even "version" itself has multiple meanings (e.g: FR/LG's v1.0 cart having a minor Pokedex bug), and that Pokemon X and Y are just "X" and "Y", not "X Version" and "Y Version". --Stratelier 19:01, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Yellow and Pikachu

There has been an edit war on the Japanese games section. I believe it should remain Pikachu, while others thing it should stay Yellow. Maybe we need an admin in on this to decide what to keep. Iml908 (talk) 00:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Title screens

Would it be a good idea to put all the title screens on this page? --Abcboy (talk) 01:55, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Here's my idea:
I know, it's stupidly gigantic, the pictures are too big, bla bla bla... but still, give me your opinion! --Abcboy (talk) 13:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
It looks nice though there's just too much stuff going on in this table, most of the Japanese title screens are/will most likely be shown on the Generation pages. But I'm supporting this idea. Արիանո 14:14, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
How about this:

I removed the Japanese ones, and to compensate, I made the English ones bigger. --Abcboy (talk) 14:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks better but the size is a problem. It could be hidden (or something similar to compensate) like the trainer list tables on trainer class pages so it wouldn't dominate the whole page. Արիանո 14:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
This is a cool idea. For the English B2W2 Title Screens, shouldn't it have the word Pokémon in it though? Not sure why they aren't in the above images. Torpoleon (talk) 14:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
I've made both tables expandable and added a new header so it looks okay. I'll fix the title screens in a minute. --Abcboy (talk) 14:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
I've fixed the images. To see the correct ones, you may need to clear both the server cache and your browser cache. --Abcboy (talk) 14:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
So, is this going to be added soon? It looks really nice. Torpoleon (talk) 13:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Now that all the title screens are uploaded, I really would like more opinions. --Abcboy (talk) 03:19, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Since XY just got announced and don't have boxarts yet, it made me realize something. If this idea did get accepted, what would we do for a new main series game, before its release? We don't have XY's title screens yet, so it would seem off for a while with this idea. Maybe we could just use each game's logos? It would certainly take up a lot less space. Torpoleon (talk) 21:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Move - part 2

With the new games "Pokémon X" and "Pokémon Y", it's undeniable that the term "Version" does not include every "main series" game anymore. |) u |( e ® 22:11, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Yep, it's undeniable that Pokémon X and Y Versions does not have the word "version" in it. --Abcboy (talk) 22:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
As for the template used in Bulbapedia, the lack of the word is really a problem (as was when the word 2 was added to the end of the article's name in B2W2), but this will be solved someday. As for now, this article needs to be moved. Iwata called these games (and referred solely to these games) as the "Pokémon Series", just like they call them "Pocket Monsters Series" in Japan. Therefore, this article should be moved to "Pokémon series". |) u |( e ® 22:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I personally think that "Pokémon series" would be ambiguous. --Abcboy (talk) 22:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
We're currently dealing with getting new information added to all the articles and keeping everything as organised as possible. We will deal with this after the staff has sat down and discussed it. Please be patient. Thanks. --Pokemaster97 22:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Color trivia

Is it noteable to add that all the games released internationally with colors in their name (Red, Blue, Yellow, Black, and White) have the same names as primary colors (in other words, colors that cannot be made by a mixture of colors)? Iml908 (talk) 00:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Are we talking Scientifically or Art, because in Art Primary Colours=Red, Blue and Yellow, but in Science Primary Colours=Red, Blue and Green.TurtleLover1999 (talk) 20:23, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Art specifically. And yes, while Red, Blue, and Yellow are the main primary colors, they are defined as colors that cannot be mixed by any other color to get them. Black and White also fall under this definition. Iml908 (talk) 21:38, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I think that's so obvious that we don't need to note it. --SnorlaxMonster 05:42, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Pardon the question, but...

What's the point of showing a circle with the version's color at the side of each version's name in the table? It seems rather superfluous, especially considering that each cell already has a background color corresponding to the version's color. - Ericss (talk) 08:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Move discussion part III: Revenge of the Sith

So yeah. This article's title conflicts with our naming conventions in which the games are categorized into main series, side series, and spin-off games. Since it took my prodding last month to get Stadium/Colo/etc out of main series like people had been intending to do but never actually done, I'm gonna be bold and prod here to get this article moved to the title "Main series". Objections? Or if there are none, shall I move it myself (after giving this discussion an ample few days to get responses)? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

For that matter, we also need an article and template for side series, since those games had their categories updated to side series but stuffed into the spin-off games article/template because there wasn't already one for them. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Logos

Instead of having a colored circle and the game's name, wouldn't it be better to have their logos (or maybe title screens)? Seems a bit weird just having the colored dot and their name. I know we have just the logos for B2W2 & XY, but not sure on the others. What does everyone else think about this idea? Torpoleon (talk) 18:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Moving Black and White 2 to Solitary versions

Well, should they? Its not like there is a rule that there can only be one Solitary game. Iml908 (talk) 17:06, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Uh... there doesn't need to be a rule because the definition of solitary is that it's unaccompanied. B2W2 are paired versions. The lack of a third version is one of the (many) pattern-breaking things Game Freak did with Generation V; we don't need to shoehorn them into that slot because of some arbitrary fan expectation for a third version. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:25, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Stubby stubs (not in Game Stubs?)

Is there a reason for this article not being in the "Game Stubs" Category when the spin-offs are? Or am I being ignorant about something? ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 00:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not a stub, and it doesn't have the template on it to put it in the category. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 00:46, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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