Talk:List of glitch Pokémon

Non-Obtainable Glitches

We should get more info. on the "non-obtainable" glitches - they can still be obtained with a cheating device. Even if they don't "officialy" count as Glitch Pokémon, they do have stats, learn moves etc. - unsigned comment from Mattiuscn (talk • contribs)

Previously we had pages for these "glitches", but they got deleted. At this time, the 4 generations of glitch Pokémon had two templates: Generation I on one and the rest on an other, but soon after the pages were deleted, they were merged. I think the reason they were removed was because using an AR/Game Shark on Red/Blue, it is damaging the system, meaning that something bad is obviously going to happen. On the other hand, glitches are found without damaging the system, meaning that these are actually bugs in the game. They're still able to be found at a new page in the userspace, but I don't remember exactly where it is. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 22:20, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

So about those unobtainable RBY glitch 'mons

Almost all the glitches listed for other generations can only be seen with a cheating device (as it says on the article itself), so it seems a little... odd to leave off the unobtainables just from the first generation. Should they be added? Yamiidenryuu 23:38, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

The reason that is done is that the generation I games had such a lot of unused data and blatant glitches, and so there are too many glitch Pokemon to get an article on every one. Later generations they fixed the glitches much better, and so there basically wouldn't be any articles on them if we limited it to non-cheat device ones. Werdnae (talk) 04:08, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I guess that makes sense, but now I'm wondering if we really need articles on the later gen glitch Pokemon if you can't encounter them during normal gameplay anyway. I guess the inconsistency here is just bothering me, even if there's a reason for it... Yamiidenryuu

I kinda agree that we don't need articles on later generation glitch Pokémon if they need cheating devices to encounter. I'd leave ----- and óË e Ái though, because they can be temporarily seen, and Bad Egg (while it is only available by cheating, it is intentional and used as a cheating prevention system, and really isn't a "glitch" Pokémon). I also wouldn't delete - because óË e Ái is just a nicknamed variant of it and will eventually be merged in. It's ?????????? and ? that I don't really want around. --SnorlaxMonster 14:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Snorlax, I'm sure I'd read that ?????????? can be seen temporarily (like ----- can). OwnageMuch 07:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I haven't read that. If you come across it, please link it here. If you can, that just leaves ? I guess. However, I would like to remove, or at least shrink, the cheating sections on the other Gen III+ glitch Pokémon's articles. --SnorlaxMonster 07:59, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Missing Pokédex numbers complete

Yay! Oh yeah by the way, for 'B, I looked through the coding (0xC444-C447), those bytes were equal to 250. You're welcome, Cat980 (talk) 01:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Say whaaat?

Come on! I was trying to add index #s 251-4 but they got deleted. Why? MewMewTwo (talk) 22:05, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Bulbapedia's notability requirements for glitch Pokémon do not include glitch Pokémon that cannot be encountered without use of a cheating device. --Abcboy (talk) 22:13, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

... Which is why every generation starting with III has cheating-device-only glitches listed, right? If you're going to hold these pages to an arbitrary standard like that, at least apply it consistently. And honestly, I don't see a point in making a distinction- it's not like the glitches that can be accessed without external help are any more of a deliberate part of the game than the ones that can't. Yamiidenryuu (talk) 23:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

When that rule was made, there were many "glitches" that were only accessible via cheating, which may disrupt the game's programming. Now with only eight in Generation I, Bulbapedia may include them. SnorlaxMonster as he stated just two sections above, believes that all Gen. II-V glitch Pokémon that are only accessible via cheating are only here due to age. If you want to write articles on all the different Generation IV hybrids or all the decamarks of ??????????, be my guest. If you have any other problems, please talk to Project GlitchDex leader SnorlaxMonster. --Abcboy (talk) 23:26, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

But you can get Celebi, Hex FB, translting to 'M 'Ng and Fq, with the Celebi Egg glitch... right? --Katakanaglitch, the glitch pokemon researcher. Talk to me! oゥo 01:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand your question. The Celebi Egg glitch does not involve Generation I glitch Pokémon, and there is no glitch Pokémon called 'M 'Ng. --SnorlaxMonster 08:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I think what he's referring to is acquiring a corresponding glitch variant in Generation II, and using the Johto Guard gltich to trade it back. OwnageMuch (talk) 21:43, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon with special stat numbers 251_254 can be obtained but only in the Japanese Pokemon Red and Green through the Fossil Conversion glitch.

That is why we should add them to the list. The glitch explanation is here, but it only works in pocket monsters aka and midori (Japanese red and green). With this glitch you can obtain all pokemon without linking to another game, and while it disables travel using surf or fly, fly is not neccessary and there is a glitch that allows you to obtain a special item called a surfboard which lets you surf any time. And in V1.O of aka and midori there is a glitch called dokokashira door glitch that lets you travel very fast through the game and even visit beta locations, so you would not need flying anymore.

Dokokashira Door Glitch http://glitchcity.info/wiki/index.php/Doko_kashira_door_glitch

Fossil Conversion Glitch http://glitchcity.info/wiki/index.php/Fossil_conversion_glitch

Create Items Glitch including surfboard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L16bVsyZI10

How to identify Whether aka or midori is 1.0 or 1.1 http://www.serebiiforums.com/archive/index.php/t-579679.html

Dokokashira Beta Locations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uia4yd_xnFM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uQ24VRWzdc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVKeQ7c5UZ8

Explanation of why Flying and Surfing is Disabled http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php?topic=6621.0 - unsigned comment from FossilConversionGlitch (talk • contribs)

Yeah, I am aware of those, and we do need articles about those glitches (except the dokokashira door glitch; that has an article already). However, as for being able to obtain Japanese glitch Pokémon 251-254, I don't think that justifies giving them their own articles. Until we have decent quality articles for glitch Pokémon in the English versions, I don't see the point in investing time in creating articles for the Japanese glitch Pokémon. Also, Japanese is the only non-English language set of glitch Pokémon I think we should ever consider bothering with creating articles for. --SnorlaxMonster 13:37, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm still almost certain someone on GCLF found ages back that you can get them in GSC somehow and trade them back with the Johto Guard GlitchOwnageMuch (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

It wouldn't surprise me. I suppose if you somehow got the TM51-54 moves traded to Gen II, you could use the Celebi Egg glitch to shift that to the species identifier and then trade then back with the Johto guard glitch. But I just theorize, so until there's confirmation of how to get them, they don't need articles. --SnorlaxMonster 13:28, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

There's the remaining HP glitch anyway, so you can get all Gen I glitch Pokémon (I just want to not do anything with it yet). --SnorlaxMonster 17:28, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

/4 4, (Hex FE) is obtainable through evolving GJ1 at lvl 60

SnorlaxMonster, I think you may feel differently about FB-FE after I show you this. I have gathered 5 screenshots of the game that may ultimately prove that gJ1's 1st evolution, ,4 4/, can be found without cheating. The screenshots are at [[File:FEProof.png]], if you would please look at them. This should also confirm hex FE in Red/Blue, 'M (FE). Thank you, and good day to you sir --Katakanaglitch, the glitch pokemon researcher. Talk to me! oゥo 14:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Yep, that's fine. Glitch City Labs supports you as well. I've restored the article of ゥ/ 4ァ 4, and brought its templates up to date (since it's been deleted since 2009; shortly after I joined BP). Also of note is the Glitch City Labs indicates that ァ / g J 1 also evolves into a different Pokémon at level 61.

There's no article on its counterpart, so you'll have to do that one from scratch. --SnorlaxMonster 17:27, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I will make the List of glitch Pokemon include FE. --unsigned comment by Katakanaglitch

Jirachi Glitch!

While looking for a glitch Pokemon in Generation III, JWittz found a Jirachi at level 2 that had the sprite of Regice and used Explosion. That's all I remember right now. I think we should include that glitch on this list. CrazyMagmar (talk) 15:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

251-253

Why is FB not included yet, Celebi can be obtained using the Celebi Egg glitch and then JGG'd over to RBY for 'M 'Ng/Fq, , so why not? --Katakanaglitch, the glitch pokemon researcher. Talk to me! oAo 12:04, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

The conversion for 251 isn't hard-coded into the ROM. See this discussion. In other words, no Pokémon from Generation I to Generation II are read as Celebi.

If you look at this conversion table, you can see that the first Pokémon conversion for Generation II is hex:70 (Rhydon). If you count the first offset as "01" for the Generation I Pokémon and so on, the table makes sense and it goes on to "250" (hex: FA) and as you can see here a glitch FA (dex: 250) becomes Qwilfish (D3), and D3 is the last (250th) entry on the table in the ROM.

If you do try to trade Celebi to Generation I, the result isn't a constant Pokémon. When I tried it, it turned into Nidoran♀ but for Paco81, it turned into Mankey. I believe we were using the same language version, but I'm not 100% sure. --Chickasaurus (talk) 13:44, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, being on that subject, is the Pokémon that is traded over stable Pokémon or unstable, and is it random each time, because if it is random (and even if unstable) does that mean that there are a 1 in 256 chance to become spices X after the trade, thereby have a chance to obtain one of these three in the game? Also what happens to the r/b/y equivalent when you trade them to g/s/c?TrainerX493 (talk) 16:37, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I just tested this now. Note that what follows is the case with one instance. A different game or save data may give different results: You'll be able to send it to a Generation I game, but the game won't let me send the Pokémon back, even though it is stable (both species bytes are 39h, Mankey) due to the "Your friend's (x) appears to be abnormal!" message. It's interesting that this time I got Mankey instead of Nidoran♀. I suspect this wasn't down to luck and may have been down to something as simple as whether you're using Red/Blue or Yellow (I was using Red). I'll look into this.

The "Your friend's (x) appears to be abnormal!" message is known to appear when trying to trade glitch Pokémon or unstable hybrid Pokémon between Generation I and Generation II games but it's apparent that it can happen for unknown other reasons. Unfortunately, due to this, you can't trade a R/B/Y equivalent to G/S/C. --Chickasaurus (talk) 17:57, 4 November 2013 (UTC)