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Pokémon PC Master

Bulbapedia has this information about the game and Wikipedia has this information about the same game. Which one is correct? I'd assume Wikipedia is correct because I've seen the Japanese version of The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon and in the commercials before the episode started, there was one announcing Pokémon PC Master and it corresponds to what Wikipedia sintectically says about its purpose. It had a website but it no longer works -- here you can find the most recent copy of the website available on the Internet Archive. Please help me figure out so the article can be corrected. Pokemon lover 16:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

BTW, I've found this on Wikipedia. Pokemon lover 16:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

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Can someone help me with this issue, please? Pokemon lover 14:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

what happened to project overgrow?

the next part of it was supposed to be announced yesterday Ultamate_Charizard 14:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Tomorrow... MathijsP 16:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Patience is a virtue. And silence is golden. — THE TROM — 09:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

And we're somewhat behind schedule. TTEchidna 09:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah i didnt get the whole Project Overgrow thing. Is it over? --Usyflad10 23:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

About a New Shipping

I thought of a new shipping and I don't know how to make it or start it. May somebody help me or work with me to make it?Tandra88 22:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)tandra88

403 Error

Not sure where to post this, but usually, and on a daily basis, the first few times I try to load up this Wiki, I get an Access Forbidden & 403 error. Is this a server-related problem? Does the website not work at certain times during the day? QTR 23:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

That just means that the server is currently down, and is being repaired. Not to worry, it's not uncommon. --Theryguy512 23:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Well it happened about 30 minutes ago or so, not sure exactly how long, that's just a guess-timate. About 5 minutes later, I was able to connect. QTR 23:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's off and on as our webmaster tries to find a permanent fix to the problem. It's been down recently due to the large number of edits you guys have all been making. So, just wait it out. — THE TROM — 02:05, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Wait...

Why are the tags visible on the second and bottom headers? -Jayc 14:53, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Bulbawiki is glitchy at the moment, so you might really see something wrong, and that includes codes that are not working. ►Ҝəυzø8 14:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Just for the record, the tags made visible by the glitch allow text to be displayed in small caps, allowing characters to be inputted in lowercase, but be displayed in uppercase at the same height as a typical lowercase character (i.e. "a" is a typical lowercase character, but "b" isn't due to its height). --Shiningpikablu252 14:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Classification?

Something came to my mind a few days ago, how do we classify the Pokémon games? RPG, or JRPG? I mean, technically, they'd be JRPG's right, seeing as they're made in Japan, and not only that but are similar in many ways too other JRPG's. Like the battle systems, the only difference is in most JRPG's you play humans, but in Pokémon you play a human, and through them you command the Pokémon. What do you guys think? ~~Takoto - サソデイ 12:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Either way, they're still RPGs; "JRPG" is sort of a sub-category within that. If you made a duplicate of Pokémon in the 'States, it would just be a RPG, not a JRPG (despite sharing all the styles and gameplay). So I think we can just avoid the confusion and/or debate on that topic right there by simply classifying it as an RPG. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 13:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Technically it's a console RPG, but that term is now archaic. Redstar 18:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I had to cheat it to get me confirmed

Why do you have to be email-confirmed and a logged-in user to edit pages here? Other wikis let you edit anonymously or without being email-confirmed. --HideInTheDark 02:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Because we don't want morons coming by and vandalizing. Makes it a lot harder to vandalize if you have to register sock emails, since then only the hardcore trolls go through with it. TTEchidna 02:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Ditto what the Echidna-in-chief said about the socks, but also, because we don't want to be like other wikis and have hordes of badly maintained articles. This way, we know that anyone who wants to contribute is serious about it (or should be serious), and we can have the best information ever. It also lets us know who says what, and issue punishments and rewards occasionally and accordingly. What have you got to complain about though, you've got your account. Now, go edit the mainspace! *brushes you away with a broom* :P — THE TROM — 02:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I want a

I want a golden Slowpoke. Can I make a horrible page on purpose to get it? --I hide in the dark! 02:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

No! Stop asking.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 02:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Firefox: problem?

Why does Bulbapedia look curvy in Firefox? It appears fine in IE and Opera. Here's a screenshot that may be helpful to better understand the problem. Pokemon lover 13:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

You have it backwards, the problem is that it's NOT curvy in IE and Opera. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 13:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

That's right. The problem only seems to occur in Firefox. Pokemon lover 13:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

OOPS! Sorry, I misread what you said. So it's supposed to look that way (i.e., curvy)? Pokemon lover 14:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. IE and Opera lack the coding to form curved borders, so only Firefox can view it. Θρtιmαtum_Talk 14:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, now I understand the reason for that behavior. Thanks! ^_^ Pokemon lover 14:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Different people have different stances on how the corners are best rendered. Just because one browser curves the corners and another doesn't doesn't mean it looks outright horrible in either browser. --Shiningpikablu252 15:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, there is a nifty HTML trick for rounded edges that works in IE. Here's the article: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners Phoenix 21:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

We'll need to talk to the people who make MediaWiki for that. TTEchidna 22:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation

When I typed in Prinplup, I got a disambig page. Should I make that page Prinplup (disambiguation), make Prinplup a redirect, and put "for other uses, see Prinplup (disambiguation)" on Prinplup (Pokémon)? Theininen 15:45, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

No, this has been the system since the beginning, and it will not be changing. We've had polls, discussions, and arguements, and we have decided that the system we have now is the best and it won't ever be changing. ^Maverick_Nate 15:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I haven't been around for a while, so I wasn't sure what the policy was. Theininen 15:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

You should have still known, this has been the policy since the beginning. I even checked for proof for you to read why. Bulbapedia talk:Disambiguation poll and even the thread on the forums here. ^Maverick_Nate 15:56, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I meant I forgot. Thanks though, I'll read those. Theininen 16:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow, no one's asked yet!

I'm surprised that no one's questioned at all why the Main Page is now pink and blue! TTEchidna 08:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Why is it? --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 08:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

YOU'RE PREGNANT AND YOU HAD TWINS, A BOY AND A GIRL? --Darkeiya talk to me! 08:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I questioned it to myself, but found the answer by looking at the history of the template. Maybe everyone else is as self-discovering and clever. Or blind? --DarkfireTaimatsu 08:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe they know it already, or they go directly to the RC not the Main Page. Happy anniversary DP in US. =] the page's so bright!◄Kevzo8► 08:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, it'll have a more green theme next Friday, rather than today. TTEchidna 08:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The green hurts my eyes. - Flex__S 22:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

It's only for a day. TTEchidna 22:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Extending the wiki for the Spanish language

Will it possible to create an extension of this wiki for the Spanish language at the international level?. The Spanish used to be that used in Hispanic America, and the names of characters, places and others are the same as used in United States. --Toonamimaniacolatino 16:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

There is already at least one Spanish Pokémon Wiki already running, pokéteca, so for us to create such an extension at this point would just be more work; it's much easier to simply contribute to one of the Spanish Wikis that's already active. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 17:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The Pokéteca wiki is a wiki in Spanish, but this is not edited by users in Latin America, is edited by users of Spain, so the names of characters (such as May, in Spain is called Aura), and other cities are not the same as used in Latin America. While in Spain they changed the names to the characters, not in Latin America because the Pokémon video games that come to this region come from the United States and remain unchanged. We want a wiki where Spanish is not using the nomenclature given in Spain if not the ones used in Latin America (which are the same as those used in United States). --Toonamimaniacolatino 18:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Last I checked, Wikipedia had only one Spanish variation. Trust me, there is no way to completely satisfy Spanish speakers in all parts of the world with just one wiki.

Regardless of how Spanish-language affiliation for Encyclopaediae Pokémonis turns out (unless there's two Spanish wikis, and even then there'd need to be two different inter-wiki prefixes), there's still going to be focus problems. To avoid complete alienation of a group of Spanish-speakers, be it those in Latin America or those on the Iberian Peninsula, there should at least be redirects from other variations of the language as well as slight mentions of them on the pages, be they Latin America-based redirects on a Spain-focused wiki or Spain-based redirects on a Latin America-based wiki. --Shiningpikablu252 18:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

You know that Wikipedia in Spanish used only one classification, which is the United States? is being implemented policies titles convention and use common sense. The names used in the United States are better known than the names of any other country (including Spain) and why this is being implemented. To redirect and put other things besides just the people of Spain is foolish for them not only is Spain and Latin America. The main idea of a wiki is in Spanish that is targeted for the whole world (not just Latin America and Spain, although the latter always change the names) and nomenclature used is the same as used Bulbapedia, the United States. --Toonamimaniacolatino 19:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Pokéteca besides, there is another wiki in spanish called Wikidex , but like the first, is a wiki Wikidex edited by users of Spain, so their contents only revolves around them (apparently they do not know that there Latin America). Bulbapedia that would be good to do a version of yourself in Spanish or even better make another wiki in Spanish but with the same format as the bulbapedia (with the same names of characters, places, etc.) and not use anything that has to do with Spain and forming part of Encyclopaediae Pokémonis. --Toonamimaniacolatino 21:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Correction there are editors from around Central America (South to be exact) in PokeTeca. And WikiDex is Wikia we do not include Wikia part of EP. Anyways, stop complaining about it being Iberian Spanish if you have a problem make redirects over there or talk to one of their admins. And Wikipedia is not always the best resource for Pokémon infomation.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 23:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Used vosotros y despues me habled. :D TTEchidna 22:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, whatever, there is no use talking to them that for them there is only Spain and nothing more. If you intend to do a wiki Pokémon in Spanish, this should be neutral and use the international names, ie names used in USA. --Toonamimaniacolatino 17:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I love the irony in that statement. As do the Germans and the French, I'm sure. If you think it's a problem, go and talk to their administrators. We can't do anything about what language they include. — THE TROM — 20:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The same thing would have to been done to the Portuguese wiki, which is more focused on the Brazilian part than the Portuguese part. Pokemon lover 19:12, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

That isn't true, Toonamimaniacolatino, there're latinamerican administrators and pokétecarios in Pokéteca working in the wiki, so ... for us there isn't only Spain and nothing more but I think that if the wiki is in spanish we have to use the spanish names (like other wikis in other languages use their languages) because in Latinamerica the game arrives unfortunately from USA whitout translations. However, I understand the problem for LA with the names and we'll see what can we do. --Habieru 15:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Habieru, that's not the point they have not also want to make changes that Pokéteca a wiki is managed by the Pkstation fansite, which is administered by Spanish Do you know what I mean? Better or try to make the effort to talk to the Spaniards is to waste time, plus they do not like the idea of using the names used in the U.S. Is there any objection by the fact that games come fully into English for the Latin American region? I do not see any further dubbing anime in Spanish which is done for the region Latin America Mexico, is based on the games that come in English and that there is any problem in creating a wiki in Spanish that is subject to Bulbapedia. --Toonamimaniacolatino 00:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

(reset indent) Just an FYI, Habieru is the administration on Pokéteca, more or less. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 07:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I do not think this is the solution to the problem. --Toonamimaniacolatino 14:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd love to help with this but... I don't know, I don't think a lot of you mmmm americans (I mean from USA) would like to give us that mmmm I don't know If I know how to explain myself on this...: but this wiki is supposed to be, well... in English, and even though I loooooooooove being mexican, I'm very proud of it, I don't really think it's a good idea to make all the articles in spanish, too, because the're a lot and besides we don't really need them (well those who doesn't know English would love this page had spanish things too but that's what those other pages well... exist for, right?) even if they aren't as good as Bulbapedia, I'm not trying to offend them, but really, I used to check wikidex long ago but then I found this and sticked to it becuase I thought (and I still think I'm right) this is more complete and better writen and all. But I think I'm missing the point :D. No, If we really needed one Bulbapedia in Spanish hmmmmm well, I think it's a difficult toppic, a lot of people should keep discussing this until we get a conclusion. If the answer is "Yes, lets do a Bulbapedia in Spanish!" then count on me!! But if the answer is not... I wouldn't be sad anyway, cause I don't think it's reaaaaally needed. That's what I think, please lets talk about this more, don't leave it like that!YukitoOoO 22:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I may be wrong but, PokéTeca has been slated... so there's on Pokémon Wiki in Spanish. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 23:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I do not think it correct to say that Pokèteca is officially a wiki in Spanish when their information is poor, little, makes a bad use of classifications that are not officers, who are only known within a European country and that their way of disseminated the information is not so neutral, I mean they do not implement or do not know what the Neutral point of view is that every wiki should have. But in recent days I have been talking to a webmaster of a fansite Pokémon in Latin America and told me he has been working with its friends in the development of a wiki in Spanish in which they can use the nomenclature of USA. This news made me fell so good I decided to be part of this. We are polishing and doing everything necessary to make this wiki its debut next month is in July. We have great hopes with this wiki and can move faster than any other Spanish wiki Pokemon has been seen and if possible, be a part of PE. This wiki is based on Bulbapedia (information from the articles, of course) and use that spirit of seriousness of Wikipedia so we can succeed in this project is to come. --Toonamimaniacolatino 22:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that if Pokéteca is a spanish wiki we have to use the official spanish nomenclature, in other words, the names used in Spain. We can search a solution but... what solution? If somebody plays the game in english, I think that he can read Bulbapedia. But if somebody plays the game in spanish, he can't read a spanish wiki with english nomenclature, he needs a wiki with spanish nomenclature. Respect to the information of Pokéteca is 'poor and little'... it's logical, Pokéteca has only 8 months online but there're people working hard in Pokéteca... Rome was not built in one day. The only solution that I see is create a Latin America wiki, but as I said, I don't see this logical.--Habieru 02:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Are the games released in Latin America really that much different from the Spanish counterparts? Or are they just the English games NOA sends to all of North America, saying "screw off, Quebec and Mexico", while Spain gets games in Spanish? Creating a Latin American wiki just for that would be stupid, really, as would it be if we created a Commonwealth English wiki and an American English wiki. Special Defense isn't altered in the UK or Australia to Special Defence, so yeah. TTEchidna 02:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

No, the games realeased in Latin America, at least in Mexico, are the same from the USA, the thing here is that is someone in mexico needs a little help with his game and knows only a little English -enough- to play a game, but not to finish it, is going to have some a lot of trouble and he's going to need help, but if he goes to Poketeca or Wikidex that info may not be good enough, or different as they change the name of the moves and cities (obviously names of people and others) that may confuse him. What would be good in that case is to have and Spanish-written Encyclopedia, good for visitors form Latin America, that gets things from USA, that is "Bulbapedia en español, la enciclopedia de Pokémon mas completa". THAT is what we're trying to get. See my point? because if he needs help and goes to say, Wikidex and he finds out he needs to go to "Ciudad Calagua" he won't know were the heck is taht :D. I reaaaaaaaaaaally think it's a good idea make another better encyclopedia for Pokémon fans from Latin America. YukitoOoO 04:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Yea, the games are in English are all over North America. But there's also redirects you can create. Also, as TTE said do we have a Commonwealth English wiki and an American English wiki? Yeah, English cities and characters are the same in all English versions. The point is a Bulbapedia in Spanish? That's what PokéTeca is. So the idea of a Latin American Spanish Wiki seems really dumb [retarded] as there already is one. Just create redirects to the Spanish names of the cities/characfters or go ask for the pages to also relate to the Latin American names to prevent any other confusion. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 04:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

These CoolPikachu wrong. As you are Spanish and you're one of those users who manages Pokéteca, you put in a position of opposition. As I said at Pokéteca not believe in a wiki such as Spanish for the reasons mentioned above in addition to being administered by the Spanish, are closed with that stupid idea that these are the official names, they should be so when it is not correct. Are formal names, but only known within a European country, no other country but also all known names such translations are made by Nintendo Europe misconceptions that many of them are meaningless names that are not consistent with history as it should be. If you want a wiki in Spanish Pokémon, it must be neutral and use a nomenclature which is universally known that in this case are the names of USA. Why is it necessary to use the names of USA? 2 very important reasons. 1. They are the official names are designated by Nintendo and Pokémon USA are disseminated to the rest of the world, especially when it comes to the anime series. However, in Europe in general, as they are accustomed to doing them in wins, is dedicated to changing the names of characters and others is not something that seems right. 2. Latin America a region formed by a broad group of countries that speak Spanish but it handles things better, while Spain is a country which not only share similar customs with any other country. What is preferable? Use familiar names at the universal level, or using names known only within a single country while for a large region such as Latin America are not? Please realize just this question. What is more known, "Dragon Ball" or "Bola de Dragon"? As mentioned, I am part of a wiki, well I'm wrong with the date that this would debut in July but just debuted last week. This wiki is called "PkStadium Wiki" which is managed by PkStadium, a Latin American fansite. As mentioned, the wiki using the nomenclature of USA, is subject to several policies that are used on wikis like Wikipedia, and in turn be given the freedom to use the contents of Bulbapedia for further information on the wiki and see if there the opportunity to be part of PE. --Toonamimaniacolatino 02:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Um. CP's Californian. He lives in the US and is in fact Latino. Like has been said before, what's so hard about using a wiki's internal redirect system? We don't plan on starting a commonwealth English version of BP, just so we can change the names of stuff like Special Defense to Special Defence, or so the list of Pokémon by colour can have a u. That's just bollocks.

I know, PUSA severely screwed up when it came to the Spanish translation of the games, but Spanish is Spanish. You may not use vosotros at all in Latin America, but likewise, we don't have internet connexions in the US. Doesn't mean much of anything.

Also, as for the names being known more... um. That'd be like commanding Game Freak to start putting the games in English by default, since only Japan speaks Japanese. TTEchidna 09:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon that can learn TMs

I've seen on a few move pages, like Frustration, that "All Pokémon that can learn TMs can learn this move", so wouldn't it be a good idea to have a list or category of all pokémon that can learn TMs, and conversely a list or category of pokémon that can't learn TMs (like Magikarp). Jmvb 08:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Eh, I dunno. Most people will get it when they try to use Frustration on something useless like the karp. TTEchidna 22:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe a "Pokémon that cannot learn any TMs" category could be really nice, for the sake of trivia. It's not hard to put together. Mr. Charlie 02:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe they are Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet, Wurmple, Silcoon, Cascoon, Wynaut, Burmy, Combee and Kricketot. Correct me if I'm wrong. Mr. Charlie 02:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

There's also Beldum Jmvb 14:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

There's also Smeargle and Feebas. EpicFail 19:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Smeargle yes. Feebas no. If I've missed anyone else, see here. —darklordtrom 20:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoops. If Feebas didn't know TMs, it would be a Magikarp. EpicFail 13:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The White Rocks

I think we should have an article that explains the white rocks shown in different riegons. It could include the confusion over Kanto's white rock, and it could explain that Hoenn has a white rock, but it doesn't seem to be important, etc. Igglybuff63 00:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

There are two white rocks... one in Hoenn and one in Sinnoh... so what? That's not only on the GSDS page, but the one in Sinnoh is already explained in multiple articles pertaining to it's event. R.A. Hunter Blade 00:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The one in Hoenn isn't polished and shiny and crap. HGSS will show us what Oak meant... and likely give us the item Rowan's Letter. TTEchidna 04:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Missing articles about the beta stage of games

Should articles about the beta of Pokémon Blue, Pokémon Yellow and Pokémon Crystal be made? Besides the beta article about HG/SS, since we only know that the games will be launched and with the first details to come in a few hours, these should be created. I made the question on the main article of the betas discussion page but haven't got an answer yet. I can help with research but first I'll need to know which tools to use. =P Pokemon lover 17:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

You didn't read it very well did you? R/G is practically the beta of Blue & Yellow, and G/S is basically the R/G for Crystal. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

So? Emerald got its beta article, hasn't it? Thus, it makes sense to have, at least, an article about the beta of Crystal. Pokemon lover 18:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I realized that after I said that, but unless you know how to get the beta info for Crystal and Yellow, then the pages aren't gonna happen any time soon. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

That's the problem. I don't know how to get that information. But I'm interested in knowing, so if somebody can help me, I'll be very grateful. ;) Pokemon lover 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't have a Gameshark or even the skills to hack everything out of Yellow. But I still don't think that we need one for them. Yellow was a special game, not really a third version, and Crystal is really not changed much from G/S, except for the storyline tweaks. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

You still got VBA for some reason. Even so, I'm curious to know that. I think people didn't look for it because they considered the games too similar but it's no less interesting to find something about the changes. And I know that Yellow was a special version instead of a third version (although this only counts for Japan; it's considered a third version elsewhere). Still, it'd be thoughtful to at least try to find beta tracks of the mechanics that Game Freak used to make Pikachu the only Pokémon availabe outside of its Poké Ball as well as the basic happiness system. Pokemon lover 18:45, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

VBA? And for the beta, somebody else here'll have to do it. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:50, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the GBA emulator. And although it seems to be frustrating, I agree with you when it comes to who should make the research. :S Pokemon lover 18:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Artwork

Should templates for the different artworks be created? I mean, throughout the years and generations, new artwork is made, so it should be good to have them all grouped, since it's more information that is present (and it's relevant, IMO). Pokemon lover 18:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's a great idea! If each Pokémon has a sprite template then I don't see why they can't have ones for artwork as well. The only problem is I don't really have enough knowledge of wikicode to make something like that just yet. Can someone help make one? Taromon777 15:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

if this wiki use semantic and semantic gallery, you can simple make a gallery of the artwork of one pokemon or something like that .. --Hanmac

We have links on each Pokémon infobox "Artwork on Bulbagarden Archives" That is where we show them. It makes it easier for us, because we aren't cramming hundreds of artworks onto the already filled pages. ^Maverick_Nate 17:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Project Overgrow - Final stage

So HG/SS is slowing down the admin team, huh? Just kidding. =P But when we'll know the final step to complete Project Overgrow? Pokemon lover 20:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

When they feel like it, of course. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 20:25, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I imagine it'll be reopening the NFAs. --Alpha Totodile_RWAR!! 20:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

OK then. But since it's been a while since the article about it refers that phase V is going to be announced soon, I thought they should've announced it by now. Pokemon lover 20:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Mainly it's server issues that've been messing things up. TTEchidna 09:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

User Page Disaster!!!

What's happened to my user page? It's completely gone! It took ages to put it together and now I've got to start it all over again :( Is it because I went on holiday and didn't edit it for a while? Taromon777 10:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

it's.... fine.... the stuff is still there....--ForceFire 10:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, true. It's completely fine. Try refreshing the page. Maybe it refused to load. Kevzo8 10:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikis been going crazy for a while. Hit refresh and it will be fine.--Clarky13 10:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, it's back again now! Sorry to bother you! Taromon777 10:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

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Is anybody else having a problem with saving pages? I've had to save new users' talk pages to get the welcome on two or three times each, and I can't use preview, or else it goes to the "Editing Page" thing, for when you edit the whole page instead of a section. Just like what it did now, except I used save page... R.A. Hunter Blade 22:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep. And pages with é in the title won't let you edit sometimes either. Obviously someone's playing with the server right now. Nothing major to worry about; it should hopefully be back soon. — THE TROM — 22:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Alright. My computer has been acting crappy lately, but I didn't think it would do this, so just asking. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Whenever I load a page in Chrome, it alerts me that the page has an infinite redirect. PhoenixGraphix™ 22:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I've been having these problems too. I'm starting to think the system hates us. First the system rejects any notion of allowing any number of question marks in page titles (although it can be tricked into producing results on certain pages that end with question marks), and now making it so we might have to try multiple times to complete any given action? (I myself had to try twice just to get this comment in!) It's as if the server's trying to revolt against Archaic! --Shiningpikablu252 03:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

At times it's rejecting non-alphanumeric characters, too. Like if I try to search something like "User:Sol", it turns to User%235Sol or something of the sort. And at other times, editing pages with é in them will result in a "bad title" thing. It's really annoying. ~ solaris 03:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that when I had to get to somebody's page yesterday... and yeah. All of the stuff you guys said is exactly what I was asking about. Crap... I just remembered I have to type the tildes now too... R.A. Hunter Blade 12:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

If anyone's wondering about the GS color scheme

I'm not planning on changing it back anytime soon. In fact, I'll likely leave it until July, at which time it'll be replaced by the Crystal one to celebrate its anniversary. TTEchidna 07:42, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

IE8

I think that after all this server issues are solved and after Project Overgrow is complete, you guys should make Bulbagarden completely IE8-compatible because with the exception of the forums, all the other websites show me the Compatibility View option, meaning that they weren't updated in order to become fully compatible with IE's 8th version yet. Pokemon lover 15:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any problems? Please, specify them. — Tenno Seremel 15:47, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Considering IE8 was just released recently, I'd expect not everyone or everything has taken advantage of it yet. Also, keep in mind, we're running off of MediaWiki 1.14 software, and that any IE8 issues likely will be taken care of in 1.15. TTEchidna 19:44, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Moreover, considering IE8 is more advanced in terms of CSS than it's previous incarnations I'd say there shouldn't be many problems at all. — Tenno Seremel 22:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

You should be using FF anyways :p --S.Universe 15:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

How come all the pages are protected?

Doesn't it make more sense to require users to log in to edit? EDIT: Whoops, double post. Sorry. - unsigned comment from Magikarp123193 (talk • contribs)

It's already required for users to log in to edit, but there will still be some users who will do something stupid even when logged in, so pages are protected so not even logged-in users will mess it up. ~ solaris 18:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

It's also because of the server problems, users are sometimes logged off randomly, they hope to have it fixed shortly. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 18:30, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know he meant all the pages. ~ solaris 18:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

lol Sol, it's in the title..."How come all the pages are protected?". I'm pretty sure that's what he meant... --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 18:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I know that, but all can be used as a hyperbole, so that's why I italicized all, to put more emphasis on it so it actually meant all. *going smartical on you* ~ solaris 18:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. But being a user of Roserade, I am right in this matter... I think it is referring to the server issues as it says all though as not all pages are protected and this user is a registered user. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 18:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

He means when you get logged off while trying to edit the page, yes. R.A. Hunter Blade 19:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't! I mean all the pages are protected instead of the "Log in to edit" notice! magikarp123193 15:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Well this one certainly isn't. Name some specifics. TTEchidna 20:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

503

So I know that everyone was hoping that the 503s were fixed, but when I first got on a little bit ago, one of the first pages I went to I got 503'd on. Just throwing that out there if it hasn't been noted already. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:04, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Which one's the 503 error? The one that loses your changes when you try to edit?--☆AT♂ 20:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

No. The one where it says that a server is unavailable to recieve your data or something like that. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

whoops, I meant "the one that says the server lost your session data after an edit". Is that the one? --☆AT♂ 20:11, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?

I have noticed random acounts being made and vandalising the site. Anyone might have an idea when this will stop? -- Vhayes1992 18:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

We're working on it. -Sketch 18:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Look at the Message From the Editor. Also look at this. --ニョロトノ666 18:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It's obvious that the guy will not get anywhere with the vandilism, but is there any guesses on when the person will give up?-- Vhayes1992 18:46, 25 May 2009

The fact that there's been about 300 blocked accounts in May alone is kind of... Almost unsettling in a way. Why would someone go to all that trouble to annoy and vandalize us? Seriously! But it does seem to be picking up at some times so it probably won't stop soon, but I hope it does. --Hey1031 23:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

A question about a "rule"?

Alright, I was wondering why do we have the "No Multiple Accounts" rule? I mean, I can understand if a User uses another account to get around a ban or something but... Seriously? Why do we ban someone for having two accounts? Hardly any other websites do it, and I mean heck, Facepunch don't ban you for having alt/multiple accounts unless you're using them to spam or something, and Facepunch has always been a really strict forum. So yeah, why do we have this rule? Is there any good reason? ~~Takoto - サソデイ 23:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

If someone wants to contribute, then one account surely is enough. If multiple accounts are made and left, then in an instance when the first account is blocked, the second account can be used to get around that block. They can be used in instances of voting; users can try and show a majority opinion for a majority point of view. This has been done before. Now, when they do have multiple accounts, we don't block them both - just one. They can still edit. Just because other sites do it doesn't mean we should too. — THE TROM — 23:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. If someone just wants to edit then 1 account is good enough. If some one has multiple accounts, they have some reason for it. And it could be a bad one. (Vandalism) --Usyflad10 23:17, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

About Pictures

I'm a poster for pictures, I love to post for Shippings, Items, all of that. But, for some reason, I can't see my pictures after I put them in an article. I checked everything to make sure it works and it does, so what's the problem? P.S. Sometimes when I log off, I'm able to see the pictures.Tandra88 01:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)tandra88

We're having problems with the server the site is hosted on atm. As a result, some images aren't showing up. There are techs working on this problem; there shouldn't be anything major to worry about. — THE TROM — 01:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok thank you so much. I acually thought it was my computer but now I know. Thanks! :) Tandra88 14:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)tandra88

Log In

I have a problem. Sometimes when I edit an article, I try to save it, but I can't because I get logged out. Also, when I click the log in button to sign back in, I look at the top and it's logged in. Is something wrong?Tandra88 19:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)tandra88

New comments to the bottom of the page. And technically 98% of these questions should be directed at the Bulbawiki forum.... but the logout problem is yet another server flaw. We're hoping it won't hang around for too much longer. (Incidentally, I've never been logged out...) — THE TROM — 19:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I've been seeing that too. I just keep telling it to save until it does. Sometimes it takes ten tries, sometimes it goes on the first try. --Galladeon 19:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

A few days ago, I kept getting logged out every 5 minutes, but when I click again, I was logged in again. This hasn't really been a problem since then but it was really frustrating trying to edit articles. --Hey1031 22:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

This is really annoying when I'm trying to upload sprites. Even making this comment took a while because of this problem.--I'm Pokelova^(Talk) 04:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah that happened to me. I just enabled cookies for Bulbapedia and my account never got logged out. If you don't know how to enable cookies, look for the help section on your internet browser. --Usyflad 10 23:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

what web browser are you on it might be conected?[[/Torterra2234|Earthquake!]] 13:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppets

There have been alot of new users with similiar names in the last few minutes and they seem like sockpuppets. Darkmaster0 17:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, no. Grawp's at it again. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 17:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to just disallow the creation of new accounts for a while? It's rather annoying when I want to make an edit and can't because the admins locked the database because some idiot keeps making sockpuppets. --Galladeon 19:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Trust me, that's on the cards. We just have to get in touch with the right person. Locking account creation is, apparently, harder than you think. Also, locking the database is, and always has been, the last resort. Our last goal here is to disadvantage the editors. — THE TROM — 19:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

That isn't the database, that's the server transition. One of them is locked because that one is only being used for archival purposes and we aren't paying for editing functions there. Until all the info is transferred, there will be locked database glitches and session losses, so please hang tight until things are finished.--RexRacer 19:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Dammit... Why can't he just leave us alone? --Galladeon 05:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Because he's probably a pimpled face nerd who lives in his mother's basement and has nothing to do and gets off on creating sockpuppets on Bulbapedia. --ケンジのガール 05:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't compliment him like that. --Galladeon 05:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Shshsh. He can see all because he has no life and wishes to get ****ed.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 05:17, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Someday (hopefully soon), he'll run out of IPs to use, then there will be a massive party on Bulbapedia. --Galladeon 05:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

He'll stop when he's 50.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 05:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, this is annoying. Another lockdown? ~ solaris 05:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

He'll never live to be fifty if decent Bulbapedians can track him down... --Galladeon 05:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay guys, I'm gonna request that this topic be closed now. Thanks, --RexRacer 05:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Help!

Can someone tell me on how to make a user page? I've been trying to find a help page but I can't find any!Kingofun 05:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Calm down. People aren't watcing every page at every instant. This is the internet, and nothing is so urgent that you need to post 3 times in 4 minutes. As a general rule, as the number of people on will depend on your time zone, only start to worry about not getting a response after about 24 hours.

Anyway, to make a user page click on your sig. It will take you to a page saying that this page does not yet exist, but you can create it. Put the wikicode in the box, just like for this page, and remember to preview it before you save to check that it is working how you want it. Werdnae 05:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

What the fridge?!

Lately I've been getting 503 errors, some stuff about no server being available. It's not particularly irksome as it doesn't happen too often, but still, I thought this was supposed to be taken care of with that maintenence the site underwent a few weeks ago? And just now, there's that loss of session data! Just now! Wasn't that supposed to stop after the maintenance? Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 01:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and when is the final thing for Project Overgrow being revealed? I would've thought sometime last month... Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 01:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It's taking a little longer to hammer out than we expected. Should be soon. TTEchidna 01:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, OK, thanks. And the final phase of Project Overgrow? Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 01:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Sign Up!

This may sound stupid, but my nephew want's to join Bulbapedia but I forgot how! Can someone tell me how to sign up for a account on Bulbapedia???Kingofun 05:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

He can't. Account creation is disabled temporarily. We'll let you know when it comes back online. Until then, he's just going to have to browse. — THE TROM — 06:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering why there were no attacks. I didn't even notice that there weren't any new users coming in. --ケンジのガール 06:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep. Grawp's gone global now. Pokéwiki, Wikinezka and even pokemon.wiki have had an introduction to our giant buddy. And of course, 'nezka have no admins online. Ever. Isn't that just grand? — THE TROM — 07:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, ok thanks for telling me! My nephew's going to be really be bummed out. Kingofun 05:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow. When did this "cut-off" start? I just made an account a couple weeks ago. -Usyflad10

Help!

I keep getting a message saying my edit could not be saved due to loss of session data or something like that. Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? Taromon777 09:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Three options. Either press F5 and refresh the page, click back and save it again, or start over. Don't worry, you aren't the only person this is happening to. — THE TROM — 10:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

The F5 method worked a treat. Thanks! Taromon777 15:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

-webkit

Do you guys know about this? I see you have -moz-border-radius implemented, but there is also -webkit-border-radius, -moz-border-shadow, and -webkit-border-shadow.--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11 was here at 13:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. BTW, if we are using -prefixed version of a CSS property it should be used as (I'm using border-radius here as an example): -prefixed1-border-radius, -prefixed2-border-radius, border-radius. i.e. we should include non-prefixed version of the property itself *after* prefixed ones. — Tenno Seremel 14:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

How come?--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11 was here at 20:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

It's future-proofing. Some time in the future border-radius will became a standard and "border-radius" will work, while prefixed versions will be turned off. — Tenno Seremel 08:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation for pokemon

I don't know if this was already suggested but i think adding a pronunciation button or one of those pronunciation keys like: [pruh-nuhn-see-ey-shuhn] could improve Bulbapedia a lot. Just a suggestion. --Usyflad10 20:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Not really. The anime, Battle Revolution, and other things have differences in how they pronounce the names. There's really no solid pronunciation for some Pokémon. R.A. Hunter Blade 03:26, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Just look through The Pokemon Sinnoh handbook or any pokemon handbook for official English pronunciations. --Vhayes1992 21:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

The books are known for their errors. For example, how the f*ck heck is Delibird a legendary? --エルレイド 21:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

You got me there! --Vhayes1992 22:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation also changes depending on where you're from.--エルレイド 23:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I know that there are books but they make lots of errors. Even if there are multiple pronunciations we could include all of them. --Usyflad10 20:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

No. Because we'd have to find them all. Find how everybody says them. Find the location of where it's said like that (game, book, country/region/state). And THEN add them all to the pages. That would take hours of useless work. Heck, not even Wikipedia, the "We have it all!" encyclopedia has pronunciations for most articles. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

oh okay. --Usyflad10 20:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Help me please.

I'm not sure how to link my user page to my signature. Can somebody tell me how?--Usyflad10 23:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you sign with four tildes? The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 23:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Well i press the signature button --Usyflad10 23:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

here. — THE TROM — 23:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah i know you change your signature there but i dont know how to make it my user page. --Usyflad10 23:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Usyflad10 (talk)

Copy the coding from the edit window. That should do it. — THE TROM — 00:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks i hope it works --Usyflad10 05:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

News

It may just be me, or it might be intentional but it seems like all of the news articles except the top one aren't there. STHedgehog 15:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

And now they're all gone. I think someone is deleting the news articles. STHedgehog 15:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

No, the News Updater on Bulbanews encoutered an error. It should be fixed within the next 15 minutes. Just hang tight until then. -- Landfish⁷ 17:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Will ya look on the forums? It is not on purpose, it will not be fixed in 15 minutes, sadly. However, I will change that notice.--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11 was here at 17:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, the news is back now. STHedgehog 22:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Countdown??

I don't know if i missed the news or something but why is there a countdown to september 12 2009. Is it when a game comes out? --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad10]] 02:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

HGSS kid. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 02:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

yeah i just looked at the article in BulbaNews. Sorry :( - unsigned comment from Usyflad10 (talk • contribs)

Do you think the countdown should be a bit smaller? It is rather dominating. Taromon777 16:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It's the way it's set up. TTEchidna 20:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

503 and 504 errors -_-

This is getting annoying. First we have the "lost session data" error. And then we have these things. 503 says that no server was available. 504 says something about not being on time or whatever. It is really messed up. It ended up making me do three edits instead of two on Counter. Is this just me . . . >:( -- Landfish⁷ 17:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, it's fixed. -- Landfish⁷ 17:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

In the future, please direct your techical problems to this thread. Thank you.--RexRacer 18:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Is it fixed? I had that 503 error thing come up today. -- Usyflad10 (talk) 06:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Clearly, if the error came up, it is not fixed. We do not know when this will be fixed, but be assured it is being worked on. I'll bump Rex's comment about how we shouldn't be commenting about this here. Thank you. —darklordtrom 07:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

More error driven goodness

I keep getting logged out and logged back in and I can't make many edits at all. -- Landfish⁷ 14:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking about the lost session data error that I keep getting? If you are, just continue trying to save the edit until it does. --エルレイド 14:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

No I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how it keeps logging me out. I even pressed the "remember me" check-off box and it still logs me off as soon as I press show preview. It makes it so I can't edit at all. This isn't just me it is happening to some others too. I was lucky for it to work this time. -- Landfish⁷ 14:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone said that this is fixed? No. Direct tchical questions to the thread I linked above please. Further disregard of the system will result in consequences.--RexRacer 15:01, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The same thing is happening to me, but I had to log in so many times times, because every time I would, it would log me right back out. -_- Its almost a miracle I could get on now. --Hey1031 19:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

That happened to me but i fixed it. You have to enable cookies for Bulbapedia to stay logged in. if you hav a windows go to internet options then security then to trusted sites. Add Bulbapedia. --Usyflad 10 23:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for my Stupidity

I dont quite understand the release date of september 12. Is that when HGSS comes out for Japan? Or America? If Japan, when does it come out in America? Sorry. --Usyflad 10 21:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

JST would likely imply Japan. Why would it come out in the US that soon? TTEchidna 21:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I noticed an error on some Supreme Victors/Beat of the Frontier card pages.

The thing above the page says the cards won't be released in English. Could you make a new thing like that that says that it was released in Japan and will be released in English? Pretty please with a Pecha Berry on top? - unsigned comment from Magikarp123193 (talk • contribs)

The notice in question says "may not be released outside of Japan". You're implying it reads "will not be released outside of Japan". We don't switch to a notice for impending English release until the card is 100% confirmed to come out in English--which is when an English scan of the card comes around. No English scan means no guarantee the card'll come out in English. --Shiningpikablu252 14:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry! I get my mays mixed up with my wills all the time! magikarp123193 15:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Wanted articles list

I was looking through the wanted articles list and noticed a couple talk pages, and I probably would've seen more if I'd kept looking. Should they be on there? If not, is there a way to make it not display those? --エルレイド 14:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Are those talk pages for Pokémon in the anime? Template:Questionable Notability links to the talk page of any page that includes the notice tag, done so as a means to encourage discussion to try to make a case either for or against notability. Template:Delete also links to talk pages as well. --Shiningpikablu252 14:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm talking about this list. --エルレイド 14:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

So was I. The notice tags in question will add the talk pages to the wanted pages if the talk pages don't exist. --Shiningpikablu252 14:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah. Okay. --エルレイド 14:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

BTW, could an admin look at the Zoey's Misdreavus page and talk page and probably delete them/turn the page into a redirect? --エルレイド 20:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

template page??

Is there a page that lists all the templates or at least tells you how to make one? --Usyflad10 00:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Templates. Other than that, often you can start with a similar template that already exists and modify it. What did you have in mind?--MisterE13 00:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Bulbapedia:Usertag policy

Could a Userspace Usertag category be created and applied to relevant tags so that users can find them? It would help in the process of getting them approved. --エルレイド 05:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Johto tag?

Does anyone know what code I need to type in to add the "This user's favourite region is Johto" user tag to my page? Taromon777 15:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

{{User Favorite Region}}: Check the template page, and follow the instructions, - Kogoro | Talk to me - 16:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks! Taromon777 16:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Glichy

the Bulbapedia logo vanished.--tobytse 05:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I mean, it is like that the Achieve database is down--tobytse 06:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Currently being upgraded, don't freak out. TTEchidna 06:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Anyone else experiencing this?

I realize that the wiki has probably been undergoing some upgrading. But nearly everytime I try to edit something, it redirects me to the "Page cannot save, try logging out and back in' message or whatever it is. And I have to sit there constantly pressing save page just to get it to save. And yet it's like everyone else can still edit the pages without any trouble. Is anyone else experiencing this? Mudkipchan 00:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It's a known issue, yes, and affects everyone, not just you. The problem generally goes away if you hit save a few times, so until it's fixed, you'll just need to work around it. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 04:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I've been getting that problem too, and sometimes it makes me lose everything I've just typed! But here's some advice: paste everything you typed into a document first, then click "Save". That way, if you get the error message, you don't have to type it all out again. Taromon777 09:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Are both of you using Firefox? I've found that Firefox usually saves things like that, so you don't have to worry about losing what you just typed. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 12:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I use Firefox 3.5, yes. And it "holds" entered data like that for you, so if you accidentally leave the page, you can generally hit the back button and still retain your writing. (not on all websites, however.) -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 22:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

This should have been resolved, though, with the updates to the software. —darklordtrom 23:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I am facing the same problem too. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 07:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

What browser are you using Adyniz?--ForceFire 07:02, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

PNGs

I've noticed that a lot of the animated images on Bulbapedia, like the Pokémon game icons, are being replaced with PNG versions. Is this really necessary? It's spoiling all the fun for everyone who can't see PNG animations on their computers. The GIFs looked fine as they were. I know it's an encyclopedia, but sometimes fun is more important than quality isn't it? Taromon777 09:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

On Bulbapedia, quality is more important that "fun". That said, there is no difference between animated GIFs and APNGs, aside from which browsers can see both. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 11:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the image quality in AniPNGs is quite a bit higher than that of GIFs. -- evkl _{(need to talk?)} 13:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

But my browser can't see PNG animations! It's not fair! Taromon777 12:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but it's kind of the nature of the internet that not everyone will get all features. Stuff that renders "right" in IE is standards-broken and won't render properly in standards compliant browsers. Getting Firefox is generally a Good Idea if you're currently on IE-Firefox 3.5 is a superb browser, the best Mozilla has put out in ages. We can't please everybody, and as I said, the .gif image quality is unacceptably low. -- evkl _{(need to talk?)} 13:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Even more Opera seems to have support for APNGs too (maybe others can do it too). So there is actually a choice. Going from IE to any other (non-IE-based) browser is a good idea anyway. — Tenno Seremel 22:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Why?

um, why is the main page crystal-themed now? do we have some other info about something else? Empath-Silvio 15:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I have no idea. But please remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). Thanks! -- evkl _{(need to talk?)} 13:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, there's only one person I know who'd be able to pull something like this off...--Shiningpikablu252 14:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Crystal came out in North-America around this time.--MisterE13 14:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Humans

I can't seem to find an article on humans here. Is there one at all? Redstar 17:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

it's not really needed Ultamate_Charizard 00:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

You mean like what are humans? no, that's really not needed. Empath-Silvio 14:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

No, I mean an article detailing the cultural and possible religious background of humans in the franchise. I understand that as of this point, the information is rather lax, but a real glimpse into the "Pokemon world" has been increasingly revealing as the generations go on.

If it's not disagreed on, I think an article detailing the cultural, technological, and religious development of humans in relation to Pokemon would be very interesting to read. Notable examples include the anime episodes The Ghost of Maiden's Peak, which suggests a Japanese-influenced culture and war, and The Ancient Puzzle of Pokémopolis, which suggests Pokemon were once worshiped as gods (this same idea is suggested in the Eletric Tale of Pikachu chapter on Sabrina and the giant haunter, Black Fog).

From the games themselves, a rich mythological-cultural background can be seen in G/S/C with the Burned and Tin towers, as well as the monks in the Bellsprout Tower. Arceus being a Pokemon and a god in the fourth gen storyline also clearly suggests more for humans as well as Pokemon... Does anyone see what I'm getting at? Redstar 14:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I see what your saying... but... I don't know, it might not be a good idea. You may want to talk to an admin first. I'd say it's a good idea, but yeah... ~~Takoto - サソデイ 15:07, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

My main problem with that article is that it would be mostly speculation, and that the different canons constantly contradict each other is those subjects... But here's an idea: how about you create such a page in your userspace (as a subpage), work on it, and if it's good - we'll consider mainspacing it. If you really want to, that is. --electAbuzzzz 16:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it would probably be speculation if we made unnecessary leaps... I'm currently playing through Blue, then Silver and so on, so I'll be sure to take any notes relevant. One thing that stands out is the Rocket member in Mt. Moon that says Pokemon came before humans, so that would easily be an interesting point if elaborated on later. (I also think it interesting to note that there's a "timeline" of events in the Pokemon universe somewhere on this encyclopedia, which appears to be speculative in nature. Suggesting cavemen made the Regis is pretty... off) Redstar 16:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

i see where this is going. i agree it would be an interesting article, but it will be very difficult to write. as i understand it, you have to see each and every episode, because you cannot just pick an episode or two, and summarize everything. also, i agree it will be mainly speculation. but i think it will be a great article to read. if you have the patience to write it, that is. i offer my help in the games, i have played them all and have access to them. notify me! Empath-Silvio 23:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

If you, or anyone else, can help I'd be greatly appreciative. I'm mostly concerned with the games, since the anime has become more culturally-neutral following the first three seasons to make it more accessible in other nations where dubbing can't hide "donuts". So I have little issue with that, but with the games it can be a lot harder because of over-looked things.

The Rocket grunt that says humans came after Pokemon in Mt. Moon is a fine example, though I believe this was confirmed or clarified in other generations. It's the little things we need to look into, such as the Channelers in first gen (suggestive of a cult presence), and the monks in second (suggestive of religious, or philosophical, organizations). Bulbapedia is our obvious resource, with 'Dex entries suggestive of festivals, legends, and areas being a key source of information, so if anyone wants to help we can compile human-related information on my talk page and work towards filling something out. Redstar 23:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

If there are no ordinary animals in the Pokémon world, does that mean the humans evolved from Pokémon? Taromon777 10:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

An interesting theory, which is at least partially backed by the Lake Trio, but if you want to look for hints to fully confirm I'd recommend playing DPPt or waiting until gen V. I imagine gen V will take a look into the history of humans, as fourth has looked into that of Pokemon. Redstar 18:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

This has now gone off-topic. A reminder to all we have a whole forum for conversations like this. If you wish to continue, please go there. —darklordtrom 19:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I have a question.

Look, I've been wondering this for ages now, and it's starting to annoy me. Why is the official art so... small? In terms of pixels, it's tiny. And it's really annoying when I'm looking for reference on what a Pokémon looks like, I can barely see it. So yeah, why do we use really tiny versions of the official art rather than clearer, bigger versions? And I don't think it's because you can't find a bigger version of the art, seeing as it would be easy too get one of the official books and scan in the official art and upload it. And I'm sure there's bigger versions of the art on the internet. I'm just wondering is there any real reason we use such small versions? ~~Takoto - サソデイ 20:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The art were using is from the official dex on pokemon.co.jp. But, since there isn't any art on the main page, I guess that you're referring to the animated sprites in the top corner of every box. You see, in-battle sprites would be too big, not to mention the gender differences. So, we're using the smaller sprites used in the PC and party instead. Pokémon Lover King Mario 13:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I'll be uploading higher-res Sugimori art soon, so that will help.--Mew a.k.a. Immewnity was here at 17:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Advertisements on DSi

Hi guys. Listen, my computer is quite slow, so I often go on my DSi when I want to quickly find something out. However, the advertisement, for some reason, overlaps the news column - the most important bit for me. Could someone possibly try to sort this problem? MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2) 17:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

That's why if you actually bother logging in, then it'll not be there. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Injustice

I am surprised to see this. It's incredible and despite what I said above it seems that nobody has ported it. Honestly I can not believe as they have put up a wiki formed by people from Spain. Latin American people deserve to be heard and not excluded, Pokéteca is just a meeting point for Spanish What about the wars? We speak Spanish but do not use those names uncommon nonsense please. The Bulbapedia does not help us much to us because we do not speak English despite the fact that games come in that language but the anime is broadcast in Spanish. Furthermore as is possible that a wiki españolizada and so poor that no information has formed part of PE. I've seen that almost all items have only single entry and there is nothing inboxtamplates information. Please is this possible? --Toonamimaniacolatino 21:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

What about the wars between the former English colonies and the UK? What about the wars between French Canadians and British Canadians? We don't use British English because the English-language games all use American English. The Spanish-language games are translateinto Spanish for Spain because NOA chooses to just send you guysandQuebec the English versions instead of waiting for the Spanish and French variations. I don't see anyone from Quebec whining about Poképédia not using Quebecois French and having the English names for everything be the titles, and everyone knows that that's the stereotype about them.

Seriously, dude. This isn't 1822. It's 2009. Don't blame Spain. Blame the US for sending you the English games. TTEchidna 23:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I do not think NOA do you think you are doing. Nintendo Europe is who makes these things by themselves lead to the games themselves, not NOA. The fact that the games come in Latin America in English, that is no excuse for people looking for information on the games, have their space in their own dialect and language. The people who give a damn ray Plubio are called, people know who he cares Wallace. I noticed that most articles Bulbapedia has sections "in other languages", said all the most "Spanish". "Spanish" only when it occurs in Spain should therefore not be putting" "Spanish worse "Spanish Iberian", must be clear and say, "Spanish of Spain". " Not only the Spanish spoken in Spain and that all Spaniards should have that clear, are also Latin America, a region of countries together. I say this for that many people of Spain have this mistaken idea. There are cases for example in Wikipedia, for they see that says "Wikipedia en español" believe that this page is intended for people of Spain, however it has been said that "Wikipedia is for people from countries where they speak the Spanish language is not just for Spain". At this time, fans of Latin America are making a motion to deviate from the versions HeartGold and SoulSilver Pokémon games come into our language and dialect. --Toonamimaniacolatino 14:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Spanish is Spanish, and English is English. They have slightly different ways of speaking the languages, but it's still similar. And seriously. If you can understand English, or even MOST of Spain's Spanish, then deal with it. That would be as if we Americans got mad at the Brits for making a website and using "mum" instead of "mom". Same meaning, different way of spelling and pronunciation. We understand what it means, but it's different than what we're used to seeing and hearing. And what would we do to them for using Spain's Spanish? Threaten to kill them in their sleep? Just be happy with what you have. R.A. Hunter Blade 15:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Let me get this straight, you want a wiki exactly like this Pokéteca but that uses English names? Just put the names in here then click the Spanish link on the side. How did you get through the games without understanding the English anyways? --MisterE13 15:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What if I want to use Pokéteca names in English? please ask that is like asking pears also that the elm is not my point. There is no point talking to the Spanish (as said before) that are closed and people of thought and believe that everything just revolves around them that is correct. So I've noticed is that nobody has taken into consideration in Latin America for the simple fact that games come in English. People in Latin America plays in English, when they have problems when playing games in English, they need solutions, but in their language (Spanish of course) and the names they know. Nor does it make things easier for the people of Latin America have to play games in Spanish in Spain (downloading ROMs), and hates people that hates that these translations are defective (its dialects that are made only for the people of Spain) and one of the most critical points that people are changing the names given there. However, as I said above, there is already a wiki in Spanish (which came into operation for weeks) and using the names in English. The recently launched as a wiki, but has few employees are doing everything possible to make it known. Now the main point of this and that was mentioned up there: If it was possible that when the wiki has reached a great development, could be part of PE?. Appeared to have tilted more in the people of Spain in Latin America that people know that despite the region also spoke in Spanish but plays in English. Apparently, you are more inclined and concerned people in Spain than in Latin America despite know that this region also spoke in Spanish but plays in English. --Toonamimaniacolatino 17:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

If you have a problem with the way that Pokéteca conveys their information, I ask that you speak to them, not us. We may be affiliated, but we have no control whatsoever over their content. As for a Latin American Spanish EP counterpart... we'll see. Good things take time, remember. —darklordtrom 22:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Given how you've done nothing here except b*tch and moan about Pokéteca's existence and trying to campaign against their inclusion in our little international wiki group for the sole purpose that it doesn't primarily target Latin America, odds that we'd accept two Spanish wikis with different geographical focus are pretty slim. By that reasoning, we should also try to recruit a Portuguese-language wiki primarily tilted toward Portugal (the one already part of EP tilts primarily toward Brazil) AND a French-language wiki primarily tilted toward Canada (the one already part of EP tilts primarily toward France). Not to mention a Commonwealth English variant, four Chinese variants (one each aimed at Taiwan, Hong Kong, mainland China, and Singapore), and god knows how many other languages that have Pokémon media in multiple variations of the same language would also need separate wikis. What's next, someone coming to complain that there's no Pokémon wiki in Esperanto?

P.S. You don't represent the majority of Latin American Spanish speakers in the Pokémon wiki community. For every one Latin American Spanish speaker that hates Pokéteca just for using continental European terminology, there's probably a thousand, probably even more, willing to accept Pokéteca for being something they can understand, continental European terminology be damned. My 2¢: Doing nothing but complain will get you absolutely nowhere. --Shiningpikablu252 22:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems we now are understanding the situation but have not yet realized that things between Latin America and Spain are inked so we did not have to come with examples and other countries where they share the same language but with differences in dialect, by Please. Talking to the Spanish (particularly Pokéteca users) is a total waste of time. I've already told you why, I have weighed similar situations and in Wikipedia and elsewhere, the Spanish only demonstrate that for them there is only Spain, Spain, Spain, Spain, and Spain. If not for the differences between Latin America and Spain, then no one would have things like that are dubbing the series in their respective countries. There would be things such as: On YouTube in the selection of multi-language, Spanish there are 2 versions to choose according to people visiting the page, the first Spanish so happens that Mexico is also represented for the rest of Latin America and the second one is Spanish from Spain. There are 2 versions of Halo 3 in Spanish, both Spanish for Latin America as Spanish for Spain. There are more things that I do not remember well but many do not come with excuses like saying Shiningpikablu, that all we are doing is siding with Pokéteca and Spain, a small country that's small compared to countries in Latin America is a region larger and with more people. --Toonamimaniacolatino 12:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Here it is plain and simple: quit complaining to us, we can't do a crapping thing about it. R.A. Hunter Blade 19:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Instead of helping and providing a solution in the best way possible because you are closer to PE, prefer to ignore the situation. If they say that this is not where I complain like you say, and as I have been saying that one can not speak to the Spanish people that are thinking closed.... they are supposed to whom we owe to appeal? AH! --Toonamimaniacolatino 19:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

You're mad at us for not telling them what to do. We can't help you. We can't make them do anything. We're not prefering a group of people over another. You can go and make your own version of the Spanish Pedia. And really, you're the ONLY person to complain. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

If I'm alone, is because I am representing much people complaining about this situation.

You think you have not understood what I said earlier. Spanish wiki using the names in English already there. but what I wanted to know (several days ago before a Pokéteca integrate PE, something no answer) is that if there was the possibility that a wiki so might come to PE but as I said, more people have been tilted in favor of the people of Spain instead of seeking some kind of neutrality for both regions of the same language but different performance. Apparently none of you knew it had tremendous differences between Latin America and Spain, which Pokéteca members have been omitted (since Latin America is dead to them) when asking your income to PE. --Toonamimaniacolatino 21:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that you create an account on Pokéteca and speak to them about this yourself. Apart from you creating your own wiki (which you can do, actually, go here), that is the only option you have. —darklordtrom 22:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The wiki was mentioning, I did not create it, was created by PkStadium. Furthermore, it appears that someone beat me to talk to about his members of Pokéteca. Why do I have to create a wiki in wikia space when there is already a wiki in Spanish and that was mentioned here before but this is something that me and no one falls. when there is already a wiki in Spanish and that was mentioned here before but this is something that me or anyone we want. All I wanted was equal treatment for people of Latin America and the wiki PkStation were part of PE. --Toonamimaniacolatino 00:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

To answer your question of "why do I have to create one when there's already one", it's because you're not happy with what type of Spanish is being used. And alright then. Complain to us about our wiki. We use American English. A lot of Bulbapedia users live in New Zealand, England, Australia, and other English speaking countries, but we use American English, not theirs. None of them complain, even though American English is only used here. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello Toonamimaniacolatino. I'm Archaic, webmaster of Bulbagarden. While I do understand your concerns (my fianceé, known as Kasumi on our forums, is Latin American from Costa Rica), there's really not much that Bulbagarden or Bulbapedia can do about it. While Bulbapedia is the defacto head, each wiki in our network is completely independant. Pokéteca is a property of PkStation, and while we can certainly raise any issues with them, we will not and cannot tell them what to do. Or to put it more bluntly, you're complaining to the wrong people. The only people you can really speak to about this issue are Pokéteca and PkStation. If you are so concerned that there is not a Spanish Pokémon wiki aimed directly at Latin American users, and the people of Pokéteca and PkStation aren't able to or don't intend to give you what you're looking for, please feel free to get together with the others in the Pokémon fandom that you say you represent, and create a wiki (though not on Wikia, all Wikia hosted wikis are banned from our network due to deceptive practices employed by Wikia on several occasions in past dealings with us and with others we know) for Latin American fans. We would consider your application to the network under the exact same criteria as any other applicant. --Archaic 03:16, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

In-Tense?!

I'm a little confused as to which tense synopses are supposed to be written in. I was looking at the pages about Pokémon Heroes characters, for instance, to find that Bianca's storyline in the movie is written in present tense, but in Latios's article the same story is written in past tense!

So should I write in past tense or present tense? Should I change Bianca's article to past tense, or change Latios's article to present tense? Taromon777 13:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It depends on the context. If it makes sense in present tense, write it in present. If it makes sense in past, do the past. "Ash goes to see Professor Oak" makes more sense in a synopsis than "Ash went to see Professor Oak". TTEchidna 19:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, OK, I kind of understand now, but what about this piece of text from the Johto article?

"After Johto was created, alongside Kanto, by Groudon and Kyogre at the beginning of the universe, Pokémon no one had seen before began inhabiting the region. 1500 years before Generation I, the earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the Ruins of Alph of Johto."

The first sentence is in past tense, and the second sentence, although it is still referring to an event in the past, is written in present tense! Does it need to be changed? Is there anything in the Manual of Style about this? Taromon777 09:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Pocket Monsters (Manga)

Can someone help me with this? I have a few of the Pocket Monsters manga but I'm not sure on how do start the first article. Must the article be the same as the Pokémon special rounds? Please Help Me! Kingofun 05:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, PokéSpc has its own way. If you want to make a chapter, make at PM### and follow how any manga chapter is set up like DPA01. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 05:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh Ok Thanks! Kingofun 05:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Hold on a sec. Could someone do a double-check on how many chapters are in this manga? It looks to me like Kingofun took the DPA01 example too literally and created the article for the eighth chapter at PM08. If there's over 100 chapters in this manga, then that article should be moved to PM008 without hesitation. I'd do it myself right now, but there's no guarantees that the number of chapters per Pocket Monsters volume is along the same lines as the number of rounds per Pokémon Special volume...--Shiningpikablu252 01:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

So, should I make the next one PM009? Kingofun 08:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Unless the manga goes past 100 chapters and does it? --☆Coolピカチュウ! 19:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

What are the epicodes for Pocket Monsters RS and Pocket Monsters DP? I actually own RS volume one (I bought it when I went to Japan) and I'm putting together a quick article. ZestyCactus 19:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd prefer it as PMRS### and PMDP###. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 19:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I checked, its more than 100. Kingofun 03:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

It's already been moved anyways. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 03:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Special Round Confusion

In the box where it says 'Rounds' in the Pokémon Special Articles,do I have to write this: PS149 or this: Water-Riding Kingdra? Kingofun 08:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

PS149 ---> 223☆Dåv]d 09:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Kingofun 09:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Colour Scheme

I like the new colour scheme, but some of the links are quite hard to read on the blue background (specifically those under the Current Events heading, which has links which navigate away from the site and are therefore a lighter colour). Any way we could deal with this? Ggled 13:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

My eyes x_x. Seriously, who's bright idea was it to change it all to blue, but leave the links. For your information, I am mildly colourblind (mildly as in, similar colours meld into each other). This change has made the main page unattractive and difficult to read. Edit: I also find it striking and very in-your-face when I load it, it kinda puts me off :/ - also I forgot to sign - BScorpion 15:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

If you look at the North American release date for Pokémon red and blue... things might make a bit more sense Jmvb 16:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it should be a lighter shade of blue. Even with glasses on, it's hard to see the links. Vhayes1992 18:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)