Talk:Dawn's Togekiss

Gender

In DP172 Dawn describes Togekiss as being very older-sister-like, and Togekiss' speaking style (as translated by Meowth) is very feminine... would this be enough to consider it officially female, or do we need something more substantial than that? 梅子^❀_✿ 19:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I would say it's not enough. Is Harley officially female? --エルレイド 19:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Togekiss's speaking style is, in a way, even more feminine than Harley's, actually. 梅子^❀_✿ 19:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

If Ash spoke with a feminine style, would you consider him female? We have had female characters in the past using male pronouns (which confused the heck out of Ash and co.), plus it could be a bit of a joke on Meowth's part for all we know. Until it's flat-out stated that Togekiss is female, we don't know if it is or not. See Pikachu for example. --エルレイド 20:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

The way it's presented makes it pretty clear that it is not a joke and is a sincere representation of Togekiss' gender... I'm not really sure how to explain it, though. It's a nuance of the language that's not easily described. Let's wait for the input of some others before we write off the idea completely. 梅子^❀_✿ 20:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I think I know exactly what you're talking about. Anabel used the masculine version of the language. Does that mean she's a guy? Also, gender roles aren't so solid anymore. Just because nuances of language were once associated with females doesn't mean they still are, especially in this day and age.

Pikachu acted like a guy for a long time before we finally caved in at the Togepi episode and confirmed him as male. Behavior and language are not acceptable reasons to declare someone male or female. Trust me, you're not going to get any of the admins to side with you. --エルレイド 20:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Comparing Anabel and Harley to a Pokémon is ridiculous...They aren't the same thing, plus, its noticeable that both are of respective genders...If Togekiss acts like a female, has a feminine voice and mannerisms, it's basically female...--Psy_ライダー☮ 20:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

But did we do it for Pikachu, Meowth, or any other Pokémon? I don't think so. We waited for them to be referred to as male or female in the original. --エルレイド 20:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

There was a debate over Meowth's gender? Anyway, there's probably more evidence for it's Pokémon ability (Serene Grace).PDL 01:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Acting gracefully is not evidence for Serene Grace whatsoever. --HoennMaster 17:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

The point I'm making is that there's more evidence for that then there is evidence for it being female. (Besides, it doesn't appear to have Hustle...) PDL 01:48, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

It's the complete opposite. There is more evidence for it being female then its ability. --HoennMaster 06:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

You're still not getting it. Mannerisms alone will not determine anything. Regardless of either ability OR gender.PDL 17:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)