Talk:Keldeo (Pokémon)

How come we are not menacing that this is also a Unicorn? Random Chaos 02:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Keldeo can't be based on a toy?

Banette was a plushie/stuffed doll.

Baltoy was based on a top.

So how is it so surprising a Pokemon can be based on a toy line? Pokemon can be based on ANYTHING, there are NO limitations whatsoever. So why not this? - 050294 09:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

While those WERE based on toys, they weren't based on specific toy franchises like this. It is based on a unicorn, which My Little Pony is also based on. Sure, Wargle was based by American culture, but on typical American culture. I'm not ruling out that Japanese Pokémon cannot have any American influence, but My Little Pony isn't something which is widely known enough for a foreigner to likely know. I did quickly research it, and while My Little Pony has reached Europe and China, there is no mention of Japan. Just because something looks like something else does not mean that it was based on it. --SnorlaxMonster 10:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess I can see where you're coming from somewhat. However, just because it isn't widely known by foreigners does not mean it can't be made into a Pokemon. Origins are also used to point out resemblances as well. For example, The plant on Venusaur's back vaguely resembles the giant flower Rafflesia.", so saying that Keldeo resembles a My Little Pony doll really doesn't seem out of place. - 050294 10:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

We generally prefer not to compare Pokémon's origins to other works of fiction. Venusaur's flower is likely to have been inspired by a Rafflesia. This Pokémon is highly unlikely to be inspired by My Little Pony. It is a musketeer and a unicorn. --SnorlaxMonster 10:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Wait. "We generally prefer not to compare Pokémon's origins to other works of fiction." ...An extremely large amount of Pokemon were based on fiction. In fact, "The Three Musketeers", IS a work of fiction and even the Keldeo and the Unicorn are mythological, therefore fictional, beasts! This seems very hypocritical. :\ - 050294 10:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Fiction was probably the wrong word to use. The difference is The Three Musketeers is a famous story that has been told for ages in many different countries. My Little Pony is just an American novelty toy franchise whose popularity lasted less than a decade. And no, the recent toys aren't anywhere near as big as they were. Everyone knows The Three Musketeers. Not everyone knows My Little Pony. Please know the difference. --ケンジのガール 23:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps "copyrighted work" would have been a better phrase to use. --SnorlaxMonster 11:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'll admit that Keldeo DOES indeed look of that kind of style to be based on My Little Pony, but that similarity it has is just for the physical design of it (Such as the legs and the muzzle), since every other aspect is explained by the Three Musketeers. Shiramu Kuromu 20:28, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I would say that it is based more on the Kirin of Chinese and Japanese Mythology, if not it borrows a good amount of elements that would make it look like a Kirin. --IndigoDratini 02:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I just have to say...reading this discussion after the recent popularity explosion of the latest My Little Pony show says a lot about how far something can come in such a short time --Twilightdusk 01:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

A vote?

Should we maybe vote for this tidbit to be added back to the origins? - 050294 10:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, the toy line was based on unicorn and we already listed unicorn as one of the possible inspiration, so I don't think we should list both in the origins, one is enough. -- Dion20 10:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

A vote is a bit over-the-top. Just discuss. --SnorlaxMonster 10:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Wkikpedia

I found this at Wikipedia: If you take it and the rest of the Musketeer trio to the forest that Keldeo used to live at, the first three members of the Musketeer trio will teach it the move "Sword of Mystery". It is only obtainable through a future event. Though I need confirmation.--444Zekrom 12:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

It's already on the page. --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 13:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I mean the one about the Sword of Mystery. If you take it and the rest of the Musketeer trio to the forest that Keldeo used to live at, the first three members of the Musketeer trio will teach it the move "Sword of Mystery".--444Zekrom 12:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Again, the fact that it learns the move is already in the moveset, under tutored moves. I don't know how to integrate the specific circumstances in which Keldeo learns that move into the article; I can't find any precedence for this type of scenario anywhere else. --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 16:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I think if someone is interested in that move, it'll click on the move's name and read its page, where's already written the move can only be learned by having the three musketeer along. Also, there's a '*' at the tutoring move entry where it reads "Fateful encounter only". If someone is interested in that move, it'll search Bulbapedia for 'Fateful encounter' and reach the events page (although there's no info about Gen V events, yet). But, for those who are too lazy to do that, maybe it'd be better to show that sentence explicitly in Keldeo's page, but I don't know where to put it... Maybe it should go below the tutoring table. --Blow (話す) 22:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Name

Checked the JP TRADEMARK database this time. I'm thinking 'Keldeo' needs to be Keldio or Kerudio. ディ is normally "di", like ディスコ (Disco). Pokejungle 06:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Type in http://keldeo.com/, it comes up with a placeholder and this text; This Internet address is being managed by Melbourne IT DBS for one of the world's top brands. Same if you use Victini, Kyurem, Meloetta or Genesect in its place. That seems to be strong evidence towards a intended romanization (especially since "Kyurem" is in the JP TM database), seeing as how neither "Keldio" or "Kerudio" lead anywhere meaningful. Frugali 23:13, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Possible origin

In greek mythology it says that horses were the desendents/creations of Posidon the god who ruled the sea. Does anyone else see a conection?--EpicShadow 18:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

That sounds sensible, but I think it is based on a Unicorn, personally. UnovaMusketeerTrio 19:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion on the potential origin: The Qilin / Kirin traditionally walks on water and can cross blades of grass without crushing them, is also thought of as the Japanese or Chinese equivalent of the unicorn in Western culture. The Kelpie is a ghost horse, but Keldeo's type is water and fighting instead of ghost and fighting. It seems that since Keldeo is largely white (a trait of the kelpie) but also has qualities that do not line up with the kelpie, there may be a dual origin here? Dev chieftain 01:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

No Ice Beam ?

Keldeo is the only Water-typed Pokémon to not learn Ice Beam (beside Magikarp, obviously and the Seismitoad line for some reason. It's strange, especially for a legendary. It may be a good piece of trivia to add, when we'll be allowed to do it =P Xel 02:08, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Since you just pointed out four Pokémon that are exceptions, I don't think it's notable (you could probably ignore Magikarp, but the tadpoles mess it up). --SnorlaxMonster 12:22, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Special or Physical?

Its Pokédex entry said that it excels using leg moves while battling, but its base Sp. Attack, which happens to be 129 is almost twice as high as its base Attack stat, which is 72. Maybe this could be added to the Trivia but I dunno. PKMNChamp 10:01, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

No, we generally avoid trivia like that. Also, as you can see in the site header, we are not adding any trivia at the moment. --SnorlaxMonster 12:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I think it's notable, there is Trivia exactly the same for Yanmega, where it's Pokedex entry would lead to believe it's physical attack is higher than it's Special, but it isn't... Buizel1991 00:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Art work

I was just wondering why there's only a sprite picture for Keldeo and not his artwork? Can somebody confirm if this is his official art work or no? http://solarblade.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/keldeo.png?w=246&h=300 --Spongeenthusiast 01:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Chances are we won't be seeing artwork until next year. Until then, all art is nothing but fan art. Ataro 01:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Here you go. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 01:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you :) --Spongeenthusiast 01:49, 29 May 2011 (UTC)