Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions 2

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Formes

It says "Two new formes" but it does not say "of Kyurem." TorchicBlaziken ^{(talk•edits)} 02:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

We won't know if they are formes of Kyurem until a source confirms it. Right now, it's all speculation.--ForceFire 02:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

While it is all speculation they look more like alternate forms of Reshiram and Zekrom instead. Frozen Fennec 02:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Stated Kyurem here. But there's debate on whether they're forms or separate Pokémon. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 02:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, nice to know then. Wonder if they'll have something to do with Reshiram and Zekrom at all, also looking forward to a bit of change in the overall story plot. Frozen Fennec 02:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, from what it looks like, it seems that it is combining Zekrom/Reshiram with Kyurem. I wonder how they will do that? Item? Special shrine? But about what Jo said above, they will be forms, as it says in Kyurems trivia "There is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White". --×Rsrdaman× 02:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually, if you watch the trailer for the new movie coming out on the Japanese website, it shows Zekrom and Reshiram's powers going into Kyurem. This further confirms that these are Kyurem's alternate formes, and not Zekrom's our Reshiram's. Mikk317 05:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I saw the covers of the games,and the white and black kyurem's on the covers look completely different then normal white kyurem and black kyurem.What gives?--Supermon 12:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

There's also two "formes" for Reshiram and Zekrom (lit up and not lit up). They are apparently some "mode" (Formes with forms?). We don't really know much about them yet. --SnorlaxMonster 12:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

thanks. i thought that Kyurem had 5 formes or something!--Supermon 11:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

reshiram and zekrom don't have two forms that is their animation.--Poke1 22:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

And in the commercial it shows how kyurem changes from white kyurem without the tubes on the back to the white kyurem on the boxart.--Poke1 23:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Names of mascots

Junichi Masuda has stated on Twitter that the names of the new forms are White Kyurem and Black Kyurem. ZMT123 03:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Interwiki

Page is blocked, could you add an interwiki link to it:Pokémon Nero e Bianco 2?--Qwilava 08:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Added. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 08:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

US website

Doesn't appear to have been added. It's not much, but it's official. GoldenCelebi 10:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I am reluctant to add it. It is just a sub-section, unlike this one. ♫♪ エイディニズ ♪♫ 11:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Color's for representation.

To avoid confusion with Black and White I think the 2 colors that represent this game on Wiki pages should be a blue and red to match the color on each logo and background for the official site. What do you guys think? ArchedThunder 12:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

What about if it gets confused instead with the Generation I games Red and Blue? Just pointing out... Haxorus 12:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

All I have to say is Ruby and Sapphire. Besides they will be a different shade just like Ruby and Sapphire where and they will also be reversed, being Blue and Red instead of Red and Blue.ArchedThunder 12:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you to the person who changed the color.ArchedThunder 13:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Wait, who changed it back and why?ArchedThunder 13:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Mascots reversed?

I just noticed something on the new release. The Kyurem/Zekrom and Kyurem/Reshiram are reversed. On the original B/W, Zekrom was on the white side, and Reshiram on the black side. Its seems its reversed now.--×Rsrdaman× 15:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes they are, but this isn't the right place for that discussion. Please go to the forums with comments/questions of this nature. --Pokemaster97 15:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

generation

why is it under generation v? is there any offical source to this (even though we know it might be true) -Pokeant 16:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

We don't really know if it is Gen V, but the fact that it uses forms of a Gen V Pokemon as its mascot make if all but confirmed. The way it looks, at least for now, is that they decided to ditch the 3rd game idea for this Gen and instead do two full sequels to BW. If they say these are a new gen or we see completely new Pokemon then we can start talking about this being Gen VI, but as it stands I think we should just leave it be.ArchedThunder 16:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Trying to clear up some unconfirmed rumors

I suggest a paragraph be added to the article stating something like "There is no confirmation on whether these games are a third version or not." Bwburke94 20:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The article doesn't even insinuate that, it says out right that they are second paired versions. 2 games can't be a 3rd version.ArchedThunder 22:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

What he trying to mean is, most people think that these games are the '"double" 3rd versions, like Platinum, Emerald and Crystal. But if that's so, you mean these are just the continued part of original B&W? There will be a real "third" version? That's almost impossible. - unsigned comment from Acellutor (talk • contribs)

Classification

Well,looks like it can have3 types-Dragon+ice+fire\electric.And can it be a new duo or trio with Kyurem or Part of the tao trio?--Shravs (New Bark Gym) 05:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

From sources, Kyurem has two new forms, each resemblin to Zekrom and/or Reshiram. So it would still be within the Tao trio. But 3 types is OP, and awkward considering the type advantages/disadvantages. I would say Kyurem would be Ice/Dragon but retaining the power of it's other form. My speculation point, but I would doubt 3 types. Chocos0 06:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

European Autumn 2012 Release Confirmed

Could someone with the powers to edit this page please add that Nintendo UK have confirmed an Autumn 2012 release for this pair? Source: http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/35866/pokemon-black-and-white-2-uk-release-date-is-autumn-2012/ Ryu Shoji, 10:56, 27 February, 2012 (BST)

Done. --SnorlaxMonster 11:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

North America release confirmed: Fall 2012

The American release window has been confirmed - see this article: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/02/north_america_gets_pokemon_black_and_white_2_this_fall

I'm unable to add it to the article myself, so can someone who is able to edit it add the date? NFreak007 14:55, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I just found out about this myself and updated the Bulbanews article. This page is now fixed too. --SnorlaxMonster 15:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Redirect sentence regarding the BW002 episode

Greetings, I respectfully disagree with the unitalicising of the English title portion, "Enter Iris and Axew". On this site, all episode titles are italicised when put against regular unitalicised text, and the opposite should be done in this case as in other examples elsewhere in life. Haxorus 15:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

It is already italicized, which is what is used for titles. When it is surrounded by italicized text, it doesn't need to become un-italicized. This is how everything else does it anyway. It is more important to have the title in italics rather than in contrast to regular text. --SnorlaxMonster 03:23, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

3ds or ds

will this be on 3ds or ds i need to know - unsigned comment from Pokefanboy (talk • contribs)

It'll be on the Nintendo DS, but will be compatible with the Nintendo 3DS. Yes, the press release was confusing. By the way, it's a good idea to sign your posts with ~~~~, which is converted into an automatic link to your userpage. - unsigned comment from GoldenCelebi (talk • contribs)

That article mentions this. Don't mean to sound rude, but this is exactly what this site is for. --HoennMaster 18:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

English artwork

Possible to use these artworks? Black & White 2 -- ℂℏɨ₡ƙ℮ᵰᵴ∂ⱺ☮яϰŊøɓ 23:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Those look fanmade. They look nothing like the leaked Japanese boxes and they always use the same. --ケンジのガール 00:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Those aren't fanmade, actually- they're on Playasia and other pre-order sites. They're only placeholders, though. Official placeholders, but placeholders nonetheless. Yamiidenryuu 15:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Look at them, they were made in MSPaint. --Maxim 15:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Two official artworks?

How come Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have two official artworks? I'm not saying it's a mistake or even a lie, you can easily check that it's true by watching the Flash intro animation of the Japanese website. But that's the issue here: why are there two different yet official artworks for both of Kyurem's new Formes? SatoMew 17:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

There's also two artworks for Reshiram and Zekrom (lit up and not lit up). They are apparently some "mode" (Formes with forms?). We don't really know much about them yet. --SnorlaxMonster 13:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I have the same opinion. The boxart may be some kind of 'mode' as in 'burst mode'or something. The boxart of White Kyurem looks vaguely similar to the art of primal dialga. The pic aforementioned is present in the bulbapedia archive. Please give ur thoughts on this post.Auraguardian197

i think it has to do with its ability. the glowing might be from turboblaze ant terravolt to white/black kyurem respectively. -deoxys80

It's just their Overdrive mode. Reshiram and Zekrom had the exact same thing. Normal Reshiram, Overdrive Reshiram. Normal Zekrom, Overdrive Zekrom. It has nothing to do with abilities, or moves, or formes. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 18:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Trivia?

Would it be relevant and/or noteworthy to add that these games mark the second time the main series Pokémon games have the number 2 in their names, with the first time being the name initially announced for the original Gold and Silver (ポケットモンスター２ 金・銀 Pocket Monsters 2: Gold and Silver)? Even though the 2 was eventually dropped for Gold and Silver, it was still an official yet temporary name. SatoMew 17:49, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm totally for this. Something like: "These games are the first games in the main series to be released with a "2" in their name, though the Japanese versions of G/S were intended to have tis number in their name but this was dropped before release" ?? As long as there's a nod to the almost-Pkmn 2: G/S thing I think it's a great idea! Oshawhat? 09:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Parameter on the Japanese website URL

The URL for the Japanese website does not need the ?a001=msign parameter. Please remove it. SatoMew 22:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Second set of direct sequels?

Aren't Black 2 and White 2 the second set of direct sequels in the main series? Gold and Silver are direct sequels to Red and Green (likewise, HeartGold and SoulSilver are direct sequels to FireRed and LeafGreen). The only difference is that they're from separate generations, since for all we know, Black 2 and White 2 are Generation V games like Black and White. If so, shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? SatoMew 22:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Considering that it hasn't even really been confirmed that these are sequels, I'd say no. Wait until we know for sure at least. Yamiidenryuu 00:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'll wait. I can't edit the article anyway. I was just pointing out this so it can be taken in consideration when we have full details about the games. SatoMew 13:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

No info?

Ummmm... The games are available for preorder. Shouldn't there be info on the storyline and stuff? it's-a me, anonymous

One would think there would be more info by now, but the reason is simply because no more info has been released. When more info is released it will be added to the article. --Pokemaster97 22:50, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

We will be getting lots of info next Pokémon Smash! (they said they would be revealing B2W2 info on that episode). --SnorlaxMonster 11:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Beta

This could turn into beta. Any official source confirming that people are making this game? The above comment is supported by Wildgoose. 00:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Go to the article and scroll to the bottom. There is a list of sources there. --Pokemaster97 01:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Australian Release Date

In the infobox, it lists the Australian release as Spring 2012. At first this really confused me as I thought only Japan got it this Spring. Because of the different seasons in the Northern and Southern hemisphere, and because a lot of Bulbapedia's users come from the Northern Hemisphere, could we add a tooltip to make it Spring 2012. I think this would help a lot of people who came to the site. MajesticRayquaza 09:08, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so. The seasons will become irrelevant once we get an actual date, and the only people who should really be concerned with the release date are the people it applies to (i.e. Oceanians.) Plus it might seem unfair. If we put a note for the Northerners that South Spring = North Autumn, then we should do the same for Southerners that North Autumn = South Spring. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 09:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Amazon release date

Not sure if this means anything but I just saw that Amazon (through the official Nintendo seller) has the two versions up for pre-order with a release date of December 31, 2012 (I'm not sure if that's their generic date for an unknown release or the actual date though). OnixPachirisu 18:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

It's just a placeholder so they can take pre-orders. Nintendo already announced a fall (Sept-Nov) release. --HoennMaster 18:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

More Release Date info

Per Play-Asia, the Japanese Version's release date is June 23rd, and the US release will be in October: http://www.play-asia.com/paOScore/19-71-8s-49-en-15-Pokemon-43-8s-18-2.html

Luigi-San 03:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Well the Japanese release date is true. October does fit for the US, though is Play-asia a good source for information on the US release date? In any case, we'll probably find out about the US release date in a few months. Maybe E3? Torpoleon 17:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It's been known for like a month now. Play-Asia is a decent source but I would still prefer to wait for an official source to confirm it, just for precautionary measures. ♫♪ エイディニズ ♪♫ 17:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Update

Page needs to be updated with new Coro Coro information. Dragonace 06:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Not yet.--ForceFire 07:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Ice cover

I don't think the article should say that Unova is engulfed in ice because it says in the Bulbanews article that it is unconfirmed whether that is actually part of the region or it is just there to cover up areas that haven't been revealed yet. PkmnChmp5 23:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree too. There seems to be a confusion. Han Ji-Wan 23:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

From a talk page it says that CoroCoro confirmed the ice is only to cover upcoming stuff--Poke1 17:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

According to Umeko's Nihongo-fu: What Corocoro says in reference to the ice is essentially "What in the world is with the map freezing over? Has something strange happened?!" Masatoshi_talk 17:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

what is a Umeko's Nihongo-fu?--Poke1 20:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

• Umeko is a person, and "Nihongo" is the Japanese word for "Japanese". It's an attempt by Umeko at translating it from Japanese. Rickie-d 01:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

i think that it is just covering new areas otherwise there would be no Pokemon league Ultinuc 01:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Towns

I am 99.9% certain that there are 3 towns in Southwest Unova, not 2. Han Ji-Wan 03:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It says at least 2 towns.--Poke1 20:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I see three towns but the one below Driftveil City could also be something similar to Cold Storage. Ariano 08:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

"2"

I think that Black ＆ White 2 is a reference to this version taking place 2 years after Black ＆ White. Ethan12 14:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Or... it's because they are the sequels to Black and White? Kookamooka 18:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Images

I don't know if I'm doing this right, but... maybe these images can be used in the article?

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  The theater?

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  The male player character and the rival's VS sprites

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  The player character meeting the rival

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  Akuroma...

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  The player meets Akuroma in Castelia

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  The player meets Shizui

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  The player and Akuroma in an unknown location

• B2W2 Prerelease Homika Gym.png

  Homika's gym

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  Possibly outside Shizui's gym

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  The player character, the rival and Shizui in a beach, near to the entrance of a cave

--PenblooeR 19:56, 14 April 2012 (UTC) That depends.did you get these pictures from a reliable source? Pokabu218 14:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I think so. --PenblooeR 15:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks like the official Japanese black2 and white2 so I would say those pictures are valid but I'm not sure so I would ask help from another editor.

They're from the japanese Pokémon website. What do you think? --PenblooeR 19:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Starters

Are the starters for black and white 2 tepig oshawott and snivy because pokemon smash shows it.--Poke1 01:59, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Obviously. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 02:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

battle animations?

I guess constant battle animations are confirmed, due to the trailer? Pringles 02:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC) The Trainers seem to be animated too. Drakko 11:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

English Cover

The english Cover is revealed: --Altruis 18:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Can you please provide the source of the picture? --Pokemaster97 18:27, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes: http://www.wog.ch/index.cfm/details/product/28172-Pokemon-Schwarze-Edition-2 and http://www.softridge.ch/c1-/p4880/pokemon-schwarze-edition-2.html --Altruis 18:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

IMO it looks like placeholder boxart, because it doesn't match the Japanese artwork (which is usually does). There is also a watermark in the image. I would wait for a more official source to confirm it. --Pokemaster97 18:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree also because it is rating pending by ESRB but it shows a rating in the bottom right corner Pokabu218 14:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

That's not an ESRB rating. It's PEGI. --HoennMaster 16:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Your right. I noticed that after I made the comment but did not have the time to fix it. Pokabu218 17:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Unova Ice unconfirmed.

(Yeah, I know somebody already posted something like this...) I don't think we should say that Unova is engulfed in ice, unless that is specifically confirmed. Maybe the ice is just there to cover up the other changes of Unova just for now, and I think if that much of Unova was covered in ice, there would only be like, three gyms. I think we should remove the part saying that part of Unova is covered in ice, because that is just speculation from the art, we have no proof that this is confirmed. Zarthga 07:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

"I think if that much of Unova was covered in ice, there would only be like, three gyms." Castelia, Nimbasa, Driftveil, Mistralton and Opelucid aren't covered in ice. And there will be two new leaders, Shizui and Homika, totalizing seven citites with gyms that aren't covered in ice. Maybe the Icirrus gym will be still active, as it's an Ice-type gym... --PenblooeR 15:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

God, there are still people who believe that they really destroyed half of Unova? God... --Maxim 17:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

"The Unova region appears to have changed greatly." (From the article; italics mine.) It does actually imply that it's inferred from the map, although I agree it's a little ambiguous. -- GoldenCelebi 17:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Guys, this is turning into a speculation discussion. Unless you have undeniable proof one way or the other, please take this to the forums and stop the discussion here. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 18:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Can I at least change it to say: "In this time, the Unova region appears to have changed greatly, being engulfed by a large amount of ice coming from the north east, however, it was never confirmed that the this is true, as the ice may not actually exist, and was put on the Unova map to prevent too many spoilers." ? Zarthga 00:23, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

No. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 00:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

As it stands, the article reads as though Unova actually being engulfed in actual ice rather than just the map is a confirmed thing, which it isn't. Couldn't we reword that bit somehow so it doesn't sound like we know for sure? Actually, maybe it should just not be mentioned at all until we know what we're talking about. Yamiidenryuu 02:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

In this time, the Unova region appears to have changed greatly, being engulfed by a large amount of ice coming from the north east, the appears part signals the unconfirmed factor. The article is fine as is. --Pokemaster97 02:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks like it's confirmed: it says on the Japanese official site that the ice was caused two years after Black & White involving an 'accident' in the rural areas. Drakko 10:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't say it is actually covered in ice, simply that there was an accident in the rural areas. We will withhold adding that it is confirmed until we get undeniable proof either way. --SnorlaxMonster 09:33, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

The new trailer seems to indicate that the buildings are covered in ice, rather than the entire landmass being under a glacier like the art suggests. You may still be able to traverse the land, but I'm not sure if there will be people there NotSteve 0_o 16:41, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Pictures

Can this pic be used? - unsigned comment from Poke1 (talk • contribs)

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  rival from opening.

Have you got it from a reliable source? Also remember to sign your comment. Ace trainer R 09:34, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Characters and Pokedex additions?

1) Already been mentions on this page, BW Characters. Menu bar on left, if it wasn't obvious.

2) Pokedex with additional Pokemon (?) ^{the pokedex looks pretty epic}

These should be added to the page somewhere; it's from the Japanese webpage. EDIT: By that I mean more better description of these on the article

Umbreon126 04:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Until everything is revealed, then we add it.--ForceFire 04:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Spring 2012

Australia are getting these games before Japan? An Admin needs to change thisDiamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308

Spring in Northern Hemisphere = Autumn in Southern Hemisphere. This has been explained multiple times, and should be common knowledge. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 19:33, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes it should be. I could care less either way, but it should be put up so we can stop getting these questions. --HoennMaster 19:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Your message doesn't make sense. We don't need to put up any sort of notes and disclaimers because people should already know the season differences the hemispheres have. Do we need to explain why the sky is blue in the anime? Not only that, but it is rude to our readers in the Southern Hemisphere. We don't put any sort of disclaimers that Autumn in the Northern Hemisphere means their Spring. They already know the difference. I'm not going to alter the information just because of someone else's ignorance. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 20:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

How does it not make sense. It should and is common knowledge, but multiple people obviously don't get the difference. It's a waste to continually have this page cluttered with this issue. This is the third time (IIRC) this question has been asked on this page, the forums see it multiple times as well. It's annoying to see this question asked numerous times every week. Putting something up would stop people from asking about this and stop all the useless posts on this. --HoennMaster 20:39, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

*bobs his head out of the shadows* Hi, I'm from the far lands, also known as the Southern Hemisphere. Things in here, despite what they might seem like, are the opposite to the Northern Hemisphere (at least in the weather department, no, food doesn't eat people here -that's only in Rand McNally-). Stuff such as S. H. related articles and release dates for this side of the world are kept in the Southern Hemisphere standards so that we don't get confused as to when either things get released or... well... mostly dates, Australia and New Zealand amongst few others speak English, so it's a bit unfair for them. This is something you learn in elementary school, if they don't know it, tough luck, they do now. So yeah, we are not changing the seasons for them to fit the Northern Hemisphere standards. Besides, once the games are released, we'll see the actual dates, so there will be no place for confusion. Masatoshi_talk 20:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Here's a CRAZY thought I had... why not do something along the lines of "Qx 2012," or "Late 2012" instead of constantly arguing "common knowledge!"

The simple fact is, if it was common enough knowledge, people wouldn't be asking. Hell, at first even I was confused 'cause it's not the FIRST thing to come to a Northerner's mind. That's a simple fact. If you don't wanna offend southerners, that's fine - take discrimination out of it completely and change your date formats from seasons to quarters, or something similar. That's kinda the reason we have them, to standardize release dates for the whole world. Doing it by season is kinda amateurish if nothing else, and while it does work on TV and in localized adverts/news reports, for a world-wide information resource, we should use something more general that the entire world understands. LordSchmee (talk) 09:41, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

We would put the quarter if we actually knew what it was. At present they've only announced "Spring 2012" for Australia and "Autumn 2012" for Europe and North America. --SnorlaxMonster 09:46, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I can understand that, yeah, but... you can see the dilemma, right? Not many northerners will remember, or at least think of, the fact that it's Spring down there when it's Autumn up here. Even Late 2012 would be less confusing and stop people asking about it all the time. And it's a better place-holder anyway until the release date is properly announced, not just 'cause it's understandable by everyone, but 'cause it factors in early (late summer) or late (early winter) releases. LordSchmee (talk) 15:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

But they didn't say "Late 2012", they said "Spring 2012"/"Autumn 2012". We can only use what we've been given, and so far it has been given as seasons. --SnorlaxMonster 15:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

They gave you those dates because the dates are (and that news is) SPECIFIC to that region. However, this website is not specific to anyone - it's available to everyone, all around the world. All you need to do is convert it. Autumn (from my perspective) is still late 2012. It's not like it's changing anything, just wording it a different way. Like saying "talk to you this evening" is the same as saying "see you later." 'cept it's better for everyone to understand, 'cause what's evening for me could be afternoon for you. Do you see my point? Bulbapedia is a hub of information for fans of Pokemon worldwide, and it caters to each of its readers. So it should use more universal measures of time, that means converting things. It's not difficult, nor is it less correct, but the fans overall will appreciate it. LordSchmee (talk) 15:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

But Spring is not the same thing as Late. And release dates are always given according to the timezone; even if the games came out on the same date worldwide, from a US perspective Australia and Japan would get the games the day before the US release date. Regardless, we cannot approximate dates based on the information given; we can only use the information we're given. Late is an extremely ambiguous term anyway; I could interpret that as any post-June date, or any post-October date, both of which are not Spring. Late also implies the possibility of a December release, while Spring means that it cannot be December. Autumn/Spring 2012 does fall into "Late 2012" in some interpretations, but it is a subset of it and therefore saying Late 2012 is inaccurate. --SnorlaxMonster 14:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Helpful-ish

On the pages that Umbreon126 noted a couple of sections above, it says something about the 3DS in the bottom right. Not being able to read Japanese, I don't know what it says, but it could be helpful. Maybe. -- GoldenCelebi 16:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

It just means that the game is compatible with the 3DS. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 16:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Forest Minccino

At about 1:01 in the trailer, the player approaches what seems to be a Minccino in a forest. I don't have Black or White, so I don't know if this is like Peeko or not. Can somebody help me with this? プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్ 20:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

That event wasn't in the first BW at all, so we have no idea if it's like Peeko or what. Yamiidenryuu 14:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

New Kami trio formes?

Allegedly, this is the cover of next month's CoroCoro: [1]

Note the bottom left ;)

Luigi-San 05:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

We are aware of that scan but it can easily be fake and it has been done a lot of times in the past as well. Besides, there is still some time in the actual CoroCoro scans to arrive. That is why the optimum choice would be to wait. Also, please do not link to other fansites since they are "not" completely reliable. Thank you, have a nice day ahead. ♫♪ エイディニズ ♪♫ 06:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

English Release Date

On Amazon it says that the release date is December 31, 2012... Should someone add it? Or is it fake? プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్ 00:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking that is most likely a place holder date so they can accept pre-orders and such. --Pokemaster97 00:38, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Definitely a placeholder. GameStop stores around me have October 2. --The Great Butler 00:48, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Starters

Nope, there's no new starters. They're the same as Black and White, according to a Nintendo website. - unsigned comment from AWild------Appeared (talk • contribs)

We know. -- GoldenCelebi 16:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

New info - please update

As seen here AR Searcher will be released as Pokémon Dream Radar. When Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have the cool glowing lights, it is known as "Overdrive Mode" --Dorsal Axe 14:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

By cool glowing lights do you mean the tube-like things that attach from their tails to their torsos? -NotSteve 0_o 16:57, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

English Boxart

Here are the US boxarts for Pokémon Black 2 and White 2. It isn't the greatest quality, but I couldn't find better. Z1ggyZ00 21:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I've found some much bigger versions, which can be seen here and here. But they'll need to be cropped before they can be used in the article. --Dorsal Axe 10:07, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Minor thing

The word "mode" in Overdrive Mode should be capitalised. Proof is in the character art gallery here. - Blazios _talk 22:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

More Formes? WTF Bianca?

Well according to Serebii, there are new "Sacred Beast Formes" for Tornadus, Thunderus, and Landorus, Also with the new Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 animation out, it seems Bianca gives out the Starters in B2W2 and that Cheren is the first Gym Leader. - unsigned comment from Alsuke (talk • contribs)

1. Serebii isn't an official source, so don't bother referencing it here. 2. That name is merely a fan translation. Not official. 3. We already know everything else you just said. Check their articles. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 04:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

World Tournament Info

Just think it might be better to revise the current blurb on the World Tournament since it seems like more will be available. At present Sabrina isn't confirmed to be challengable, and the inclusion of Volkner, Lance, Cynthia and Steven opens it up to more regions. Maybe it's just better to say Gym Leaders and other Trainers/Champions from the other regions. Clark Griswald 17:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Name to: Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 Versions

I think that would be a more accurate name, as the versions are more commonly (from what I've seen) referred to as Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. Wikipedia too have referred to the games as Black 2 and White 2. I propose a name change, anyone else agree? Kookamooka 18:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

The word Version comes before the 2. This is an official link and it's really all that matters. Besides, Black 2 and White 2 already redirect here. - Blazios _talk 19:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah okay. Although they didn't redirect here, I got that covered. Kookamooka 19:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Mistakes

"In this time, the Unova region appears to have changed greatly. The northeast and a small area of the far west are covered on the map, and it is not yet confirmed if the ice is simply covering changes that will be revealed later or if it is actually present in the region."

You managed to forgot to specify that they are covered in ice, leaving that minor detail totally unsaid until the next part of the sentence, where it makes no sense.

Along with that... "Southwest" is all one word. The article switches from future tense (the games will) to present (the Pokédex is) to future again. If you're going to protect an article then write a good one. LordArceus 23:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I see your point, but that snippy last part you added was not necessary and a bit rude. We'll fix the article as soon as possible. --Pokemaster97 23:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

The ice might be... well, ice.

Has anyone taken a look at this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2SA4GyXb2U Near the end (around 3:25, when the protagonist is chasing the Shadow Triad), an entire city is encased in ice. It seems very likely that the ice on the map... is actually ice. Thoughts? Rickie-d 17:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, we are fully aware of this. But, it's just a trailer, and information is still very limited. For all we know, it could be unrelated to the ice on the map. So, until then, we'll just have to wait. Ataro 17:46, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that the ice on the map doesn't entirely correspond to the actual ice. For all we know, there are changes behind the ice (not to mention that Shizui's Town and World Tournament also have to be located somewhere there). --Maxim 18:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Gallery

Shouldn't you put the new pics for the starters in the gallery? I mean, it's new art, and we have the new Unova map. プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్ 17:58, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

And the new Kami trio formes, not to mention. And perhaps Meloetta (both formes) and Keldeo, due to them making their first official game appearances.Luigi-San 22:32, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I feel the gallery is big enough as it is. I think rather than adding images to the gallery, we should be adding actual text. Because the gallery's pretty much going to be taken off once we can actually put content on the article anyway. Iirc, none of the other game articles have galleries. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 22:42, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

K, thanks. プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్ 00:04, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps move the images to their own page? Something like Pokémon Black and White Versions 2/Gallery. Luigi-San 21:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Or their own articles. Which they are. Please don't just create a link like that. It puts a page on the wanted pages list, when we don't really need that page. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 21:44, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I think only actual screenshots from the game should go in there. Artworks are not really in the game, so don't belong there. See what we did for BW and HGSS. --SnorlaxMonster 11:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Tyop

I can't edit this because of the article protections, but you've put "fulling" instead of "fully" in the section about sprite animations. Yamiidenryuu 03:07, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Whoop. Thanks for pointing that out. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 03:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Someone fix...

"Pokémon Dream Searcher app" in the opening of the article should be changed to "Pokémon Dream Radar". PkmnChmp5 16:06, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

And linked, too - I think there's an article for it now. -- GoldenCelebi 16:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I felt that since it's got its own section on the article, then it didn't need to be mentioned at the top. I also moved a few other things down to their own sections. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 16:45, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Combatibility?

Normally I wouldn't say something about a protected article having a spelling error, but this happens to be the title of a subsection... would somebody kindly change Combatibility to Compatibility? R.A. Hunter Blade 17:02, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for pointing it out. --Pokemaster97 17:09, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, kind sir. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

If the article's protected, feel free to point out any errors on the talk page. --SnorlaxMonster 11:19, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Names

Can someone with edit access please pipe Black2, White2, and the ridiculous fan name for the rival? They aren't official names, so why are we not listing them on the page as "boy", "girl", and "rival"? Rickie-d 07:28, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

No. We're calling them as such because they're the closest we have to actual names for those characters. Hihihiroshi isn't just a fan name, it was a name given to him during a game play demonstration on Pokemon Smash. Ataro 07:35, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, I think we should pipe Hihihiroshi, as it is not an official name at all and just the nickname chosen for him by Pokémon Smash in their game. However, Black2 and White2 are official. --SnorlaxMonster 12:05, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Musicals

At the moment, it says that the Pokewood replaces Musicals. This is unconfirmed, and we have no reason to believe Musicals aren't in the game now (especially since the hall is visible on the map). This error must be fixed. - unsigned comment from Grei (talk • contribs)

Fixed. --SnorlaxMonster 07:55, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Australian release date

It is said that the two games will be out on 31 December, 2012.
Source: [2][3] --ℂℏɨ₡ƙ℮ᵰᵴ∂ⱺ☮яϰŊøɓ (talk) 06:25, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Retailers tend to approximate release dates for preorders. What seems to have happened here is that they know it will be out this year, so they've said the absolute latest possible date. --SnorlaxMonster 06:34, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Gym Leaders Update

Due to the recent confirmation of all eight Gym Leaders in Pokémon Black 2 and White 2, I think it is appropriate to update the page accordingly. The Gym Leaders' order is unknown, yet Cheren, Drayden, Clay, Burgh, Elesa, Skyla, Shizui and Homika are confirmed as Gym Leaders (see article http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/B2W2_Gym_Leaders_confirmed).Squirrelfeet (talk) 08:05, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

World Championship

I just noticed this, but it says players can battle every gym leader/champion. Could you provide the source for that please? Every other site I've found seems to be under the impression that only the Kanto Gym Leaders and certain champions have been revealed. I know it's likely the others are gonna be there, but it's not exactly, as you like to put it, "officially confirmed." LordSchmee (talk) 16:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Guess no one has a source? :S LordSchmee (talk) 18:09, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

This is the page we got the information from. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 18:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the page everyone else's used, too. Just wondering where the information split occurred. :S LordSchmee (talk) 18:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Different translations, I guess. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 18:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Other sites saying that only Kanto Gym Leaders and all Champions have been confirmed are saying that because that's all we've seen so far. However, on that scan linked earlier, in the top right corner it says "All Gym Leaders and Champions that have appeared in the main series (Pocket Monsters series) will participate!"). --SnorlaxMonster 14:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Gym Order Confirmed

Well, with all those Dengeki magazine scans, the gym order has been confirmed. It is Cheren (Basic), Homika (Toxic), Burgh (Insect), Elesa (Bolt), Clay (Quake), Skyla (Jet), Drayden (Legend), and Shizui (???). Shizui's gym is unconfirmed, although there is a picture of the badge. The rest is confirmed. --TrickyB 20:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

ESRB Rating

OK, so I was on Nintendo's official website, and they said the games are both rated E for Everyone.--KyuremEX22 (talk) 00:47, 21 June 2012 (UTC)