Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)
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Previous discussions
Origin(s) section should be revamped
I searched and searched, but found no info on "Garathena". Nor do I see why the word "Giraffe" would have any bearing on its name. The rest of the info seems fine except for the whole Izami thing, I don't see how that relates to Giratina at all. EmptyStar 00:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Instead of giraffe, why not replace it with qilin (kirin in Japanese) instead? 神奇超龍 15:26, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
- Becasue nothing in the name "Giratina" seems to sound anything like quilin/ kirin. EmptyStar 04:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
It's long neck is probably why it was associated with giraffe. Is it me, or does Giratina resemble Deathscythe from Gundam Wing?Tesseract 09:33, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
An Altered "Altered Forme"
Why does Giratina's Altered Forme's wings seem to differ from game to game? --Landfish7 04:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
So wait...
Does a Giratina from the Dream World not change its ability when it changes form? Or are we missing an ability somehow? --AndyPKMN (talk) 00:09, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- Giratina (Origin)'s Hidden Ability is technically also Levitate, similar to Flygon. A Telepathy Giratina given a Griseous Orb will have Levitate, and it will revert to Telepathy when the Orb is removed. I imagine the distinction of why Flygon has an explicitly-stated yet identical Hidden Ability in the code is due to Flygon being capable of breeding, to still get Sheer Force Trapinches, while Giratina has no such complication. - Saethori 03:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
The legends associated with it are similar to those of Izanami, former wife of the kami Izanagi. When she died of severe burns from giving birth to a fire god, she went to the underworld, from which Izanagi tried, but failed, to retrieve her, as she had already accepted her fate.
The person who notices that shrine is a Shinto shrine is a little. Describe it if there is a legend that looks like. Sawamular101 07:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
The world of Pokemon is based on Japanese culture but various other cultures are also added and mixed.[1]
1 shrine(HOKORA/Shinto shrine). The relation is hinted by "Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave) ".
2 The world of YOMI. (The world where the dead exist)
3 IZANAMI becomes a ghost. Giratina is a ghost type.
4 IZANAMI becomes a god in the country of YOMI.
Giratina is similar to another legend of izanami. "Jo The Marten " did an unjust deletion. The explanation is requested from him. Sawamular101 07:48, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- I may be mis-interpreting some points because of the language barrier, but I can see a few flaws in the relation. Firstly, the distortion world isn't a world where the dead exist. Secondly, I'm not sure Giratina is the "god" of the distortion world. It was banished there, and it's the only thing that lives there. That doesn't make it a god of that area. Also, all Pokémon world mythology in the games is delivered through a major character or an old man/woman. The old woman who talks about the cave paintings is no different from any other old woman in the game, making any comparison based on her rather flawed. If I'm understanding things correctly, the link between that legend and Giratina is tenuous at best.
- Also, if something you add is removed and you disagree with the removal, please don't re-add it to the page. Wait for the talk page discussion to take place first. Werdnae (talk) 08:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- Dialga and Palkia are called a god(KAMI) in a Japanese version.[2]. With similar power, it is suitable that Giratina is called KAMI(However, it is not actually called KAMI. ).
- I think the relation to the legend of Shintoism because there is a point of contact in the Shinto shrine. However, I think that other legends mix(not Japanese legend). Sawamular101 08:35, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Design trivia: Relation to Anti-Matter, and Lovecraft Mythos and other sources
1.Giratina invokes the dark matter, or anti-matter aspect of the universe, as well as the parallel dimensions theories of the universe. Hey, if you're going to talk about space and time, don't forget other dimensions.
2.While Dialga and Palkia look like dinosaurs of the past, Giratina invokes the horror of Lovecraftian other dimensional monsters.
3.Giratina's two forms are based on that Pokemon world and Distortion world being somewhat opposite. While the D world is slim, snake, spider like, the pokemon world version is bulky, batty, basilisk like.
4. The banishment of a rebellious god-like pokemon into the darkness is an obvious yet implied reference to the fallen angel of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
5. Giratina's typing could be seen as rivaling that of non plate, normal Arceus.They both are immune to each other.
6. Giratina's forms invoke aspects of creatures that are dreaded in western culture. (Snakes, bats, spiders, worms, scorpions, etc)
7. Giratina's pokemon world form does invoke the idea of dinosaurs keeping in line with Dialga and Palkia, all three being ancient. ZoroFan (talk) 03:44, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Satan?
1. Six spikes around it's neck in both formes
2. Six claws on it's wings in both formes.
3. Six legs in Altered Forme, six spikes in Origin Forme.
In other words, aside from the backstory we already know about Giratina, each of what I mentioned above are references to the Number of the Beast, in other words, 666. If any of this leads to anything, Giratina is essentially intended as the Pokemon parallel of Satan. I mean think about it, what I pointed out above, it's backstory of being banished to the Distortion World by Arceus (Who is God mind you), and it's appearance in old cemeteries, all of which can be considered enough evidence to at least put Satan in it's design origin, yes? Shiramu Kuromu (talk) 18:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
- I can't see the sixes as being anything but coincidental. Arceus is not based on the Judeo-Christian God; it's an amalgamation of many different creator deities. I'm against mentioning Satan specifically in Giratina's article, but I wouldn't be against citing some sort of figure/archetype that opposes or is rebuked by the main or creator deity in a broader spectrum of religions (but I don't know enough about religious studies to know the common name for what I'm trying to describe). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
