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Datamined Images again
I asked the person who posted what I linked you earlier, and I got a PM back saying "Same guy who does the pastebin datamines (SciresM) according to this post", linking this (see post #2) as a reference.
I went ahead and directly contacted him here, so you can follow up on that if you want to confirm it's all right; I'll start breaking them up for now into individual files as I don't think there will be a problem, but will wait for confirmation before uploading anything. I also found a free online tool that does transparency (which is good since I can't spend $70 on PSP right now), so I'll look into that for adding transparency; it seems easy enough to use. I'm still working on Battle Trozei data, with the ten main areas pretty much documented now (as complete as possible through Area 8, with 7-5 and 7-6 not being playable yet and completely based on videos while 9 and 10 still have some confirmations I want to make on top of the video research), but breaking this into images should be a simple matter since they're all in order. I'll keep an eye out for oddities (like the double Vivillon) and Megas); I'll probably eventually put them all into place so that the template can be converted over and everything can be used the instant it's added as it's already on the server that way (we can then use Megas too). CycloneGU (talk) 02:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for letting me know. I have created a summary template on the Archives for the icons. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis
Hi. I have noticed that both the Pokéteca and the LANDpedia are down and that Pokémoncetral[1] has removed them from there list of Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis members since they are down so I am wondering if we should do the same and remove them since they do not work anyway? I ask you this question because you are a member of the editorial board. --Raltseye (talk) 10:00, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- We're looking into this, so please do not change anything at this time. Thanks, - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
SpotPass article
I have messaged this too to Jo The Marten, but I realized she is currently on hiatus. I don't want to write more manually, so here is the message I sent to her:
Because you are the Project Games leader, I want to show you my SpotPass article. I think it meets the notability requirements, and if StreetPass has its own article, so shouldn't SpotPass have one too? So, can it be mainspaced? Thank you! --~~ThePokémonFanSince1995~~-- 07:12, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I hope you can respond. Thank you! --~~ThePokémonFanSince1995~~-- 11:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- We'll review your article draft, and we will take any necessary actions. Thank you for forwarding this to me. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Archiving talk pages
Is there an ideal size a talk page mist reach before it has to be archived? → PikaTepig999 07:06, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- There is no specific policy on how large a talk page must be before it can be archived, nor a maximum size that archiving becomes mandatory. However, most common archiving levels have been ~50,000 bytes at the lowest and ~100,000 bytes at the highest. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 07:12, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- My talk page size has reached 95 KB (98,159 bytes); so I can archive it, right? → PikaTepig999 08:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Correct. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 10:42, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Those New Templates
Just so I know what's going on and I'm not surprised, where are those new Shuffle and Battle Trozei templates meant to be used? Once I'm done all the stage data and have caught everything myself, I'll be going through and grabbing all the attack power and ability data for another List page, anyway, so that might be something I can help with as well (for Battle Trozei, got pretty much all but a few for Shuffle already). CycloneGU (talk) 05:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- I am developing an overhaul for the side game data table, but it is currently incomplete, so the templates won't be put into use yet. It is my intention, though, to have them put into use in the very near future. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 05:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- All right. No rush on that, of course, just was wondering about them. Still will be until Sunday before I put my table together, anyway, as that's the earliest I can have everything caught with how Safari Jungle operates (purposely started on Monday with Unown A there). CycloneGU (talk) 05:33, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Why?
Why did you protected Pokemon in South Asia? The thing happened recently was not an Edit War as the edit was undone only 2 times. As far as I had remembered, an Edit War occurs only if the edit is reverted 3 times or more than that. So please unlock it PLEASE! Yash Sen 12:32, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- I protected it simply because the constant fighting regarding that article needs to stop, and I'm making it stop. In 2015 alone, that article has been the subject of more incorrect information and edit wars than any article on Bulbapedia has in the 10 years and 5 months of Bulbapedia's existence! The article will not be unprotected, not until I fully believe that the editors who regularly edit that article can get along, use talk pages to discuss major changes, and properly research the information they're adding. The decision is final. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 12:40, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- You mean that if editors start to get along and start discussing on Talk page then you will unprotect that article? But still, I think that infinite protection is not right, I guess it should be protected atleast for maximum 3 months but infinite locking is not just right because it's not right that due to few users, others too have to suffer. Please give us just one chance by protecting it for maximum 3 months and by giving warnings to users that if they edit wared again then they will blocked for a long period and then I think you can protect that page infinitely unless users improve. But please give us just one final chance! Yash Sen 17:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- If I may chime in here on page protection, I believe Wikipedia uses the ability to block certain users from editing certain pages or sections. If one or two users can be identified as the root of the problem, doing that here might be the proper solution, thereby allowing other users to edit and make changes, allowing that user to later make requests that anyone can then follow up on (and not just staff). I have noticed the constant edit wars and support protecting the page in some way, but full blocking from all users prohibits constructive work on the page. Of course, if those users later become better editors down the road, their access can be restored on a trial basis.
- If this is in fact not technically possible here, please disregard, but I just wanted to suggest that. I don't want Yasn Sen to think this is going to happen, obviously, because it's merely a suggestion. But yes, using the article or, sometimes, user talk page to suggest changes is the proper thing to do in causes of conflict or on busy articles, protection or not. CycloneGU (talk) 00:48, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- What do you mean by all that, CycloneGU? Yash Sen 13:31, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- I mean nothing by it, just making a suggestion on handling incidents like this in the future. CycloneGU (talk) 14:38, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) But please unprotect that article for some time because there's many necessary edits to be made in the article and no admin is adding it. So please unlock the page temporarily that is for some time. Yash Sen 15:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Kogoro already stated the decision is final. Why don't you create the content in your userspace and then ask Kogoro or another admin. directly about adding it? If the content is deemed suitable, it can then be included. That is the option for the time being. Unprotecting can just lead to another edit war and reprotection anyway. CycloneGU (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- @CycloneGU: We do not have the capability to lock specific users out of specific articles. Just because Wikipedia has something, doesn't mean we have it as well.
- @Yash Sen: As I have said; if I believe that everyone can get along and properly follow Bulbapedia policy in regards to the article, I may reduce its protection. However, it will take a fair lot of time to convince me of such a drastic improvement. Constantly badgering me (or other staff members) to reduce the protection certainly isn't helping your case. Seriously, drop it. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:40, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Edit request
After you locked the Pokemon in South Asia article, you mentioned that all edit request must be made on the talk page. I made some requests on the talk page but it seems no one has noticed it. Could you take a look at them? → PikaTepig999 13:03, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Also, why is it that because of one or two edit warring users, the whole page is locked and all users have to suffer? → PikaTepig999 13:03, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Read the whole section above which is #Why?! Yash Sen 13:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- This full too please add! Yash Sen 15:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry for butting in, Kogs.
- @Yash: I'll look into the edits, when I have some spare time. I have got a job interview in pending, and some other personal stuff has me occupied for the past couple of weeks. Hence, lack of time for Bulba.
- @PikaTepig: It's not just about 'one' or 'two' users. It seems like there is always an edit-war going on when it comes to that article and some users simply refuse to listen. Not to mention, the constant attempts to add information taken from really unreliable sources didn't help either. Staff members have tried their best to keep it under control. Despite MANY warnings, reminders and talk page messages, there was still less to no impact on the amount of junk that gets added to that page every now and then. Therefore, the full protection is the only viable option at this point. I'm sorry that you can't edit the page, even though you have shown some improvement, but we have no other choice at this point. Kogoro has already explained the reasoning in one of her previous messages, so please refer to the link that Yash provided above. Adyniz — Wanna talk? 06:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you, Adyniz. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:40, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Well, please try to add those important points whenever you have time. And Adyniz, if you will look closely, the same one or two users have a war every time. Other people who dont war are not guilty are they? So why should they suffer? → PikaTepig999 11:48, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- I think I cannot consider that suffering. Those who suffer are those that are blocked, because they can't edit anything. This protection is only one page that cannot be edited, and in my research in Bulbapedia history, edit requests occur when a new Pokémon game is being released (due to the heavy traffic they may cause). All users did that, by going to the forums for edit requests. The same too must apply while a page is undergoing dispute resolution, use the talk page for edit requests. A user said that they must go to the talk page first (yep its you, PikaTepig999.), but he still reverted the edit, and edit war will still continue because of a revert. That makes him guilty, instead of assuming good faith. So if a dispute resolution is undergoing, still follow the rules and assume good faith. If someone is assuming bad faith, still assume good faith. So the problem is not only because of edit war, but failure to follow the process of dispute resolution. --~~ThePokémonFanSince1995~~-- 23:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- I had reverted the edit becuase it was full of wrong information. I told the user to discuss on the talk page why they are adding it again. I had before that givin my opinion on the talk page and hence there was no need for me to mesage there again, until some else messaged. → PikaTepig999 06:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent)Who is that He and Him in your message Pokefan95? If he's me, then I would tell you that the Edit War occured recently in South Asia page is actually not an Edit War as that info was reverted only 2 times whereas as far as I remember reverting any edit 3 times or more creates an Edit War. Really, in today's life majority things cannot be trusted, first they told that reverting 3 times or more causes Edit War and then the article is protected, but now what's happening, 2 times only still protect! Che yaar now what can be done of this! Che yaar! And now don't blame me by saying that why did you even reverted that edit! All the fault is of Kogoro and ForceFire because they should have remember that 2 times reverting not an Edit War but still protected. Also, I am talking about the recent Edit War (which is actually not as I mentioned above) and not of those which happened before. Yash Sen 15:46, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- No its not you, Yash. And don't take it too seriously. You are in a staff talk page, not in a Freedom of Speech page. It is not the staff's fault, they are just doing their duty. If they didn't do that, this issue will continue again, until that page will be doomed. It is not about edit war, it is about the addition of false information and failure to follow the dispute resolution process. I know they are also connected to edit war, but that is not the case, because they are independent. Let us compare this to linking two independent clauses. They are linked because they are related. But they can also be not linked because they are independent. The same with here. But that is not the case for now. If the page isn't protected by now, users that didn't follow the dispute resolution process may be blocked due to disrupting the peace. So that is why the page is protected now, not only because of the issue, but to prevent further users to be blocked. --~~ThePokémonFanSince1995~~-- 01:59, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- If it sounded rude, then sorry for that! But that's actually the fault of ForceFire and not even of Kogoro, because as you can see my Talk page, he does not trusts on Nichiket sir (Hungama dub voice actor for Ash Ketchum)'s FB page and everyone know that that page is real page of Nichiket sir. Everytime faltugiri (sillyness)! That's why it's his fault. If I am still sounding rude, then sorry for that, but in our country (India) people have the freedom of speech and I will go according to my country and you go according to your country! So simple! Yash Sen 14:06, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yash Sen, I told you in the above section to stop with the constant complaining about the article being protected. That does not mean you can shift your complaints to another section or talk page. The article is protected, and it will not be unprotected any time soon if this continues to be the general attitude regarding the action taken. The decision is final, and no more complaints regarding it will be accepted. If anyone has any questions regarding the protection of the article, they may ask me via email. My email address is listed on my user page. This talk page section is officially closed, and further comments will not be tolerated. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 15:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
If only I knew
Apparently I never noticed that we did have the Inkipedia link template when I added that reference to Pokémon in Splatoon. Guess I really need to keep myself up to date on things. Thanks for that little reminder. Berrenta (talk) 05:00, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Blacklist
This is perhaps just a technicality, but Hoopa is out in Japan this month (in fact, I think the pre-release one is already circulating), so it should be moved up to the rest of the Gen. VI list. CycloneGU (talk) 16:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Unable to contact you via email! :(
Maybe I don't know the way how to email by using your contact details or it's not working. Please don't mind it but as I am not able to contact you via email (if you help me in this, it would be a great help), I am telling you this here. As PikaTepig has requested here for some edits, can you please make those edits please!? Yash Sen 17:57, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
- Oh! I noticed that User:Abcboy added those all info 2 or 3 hours ago! Yash Sen 13:16, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Rayquaza pronunciation
There have been conflicting pronunciations, but a JWittz states and from having the game myself, the offfial Pokedex 3D Pro says that it's name is Rayquaza with quazar as it's prefix
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