Talk:Ash's Greninja

Is this trivia worthy?

Is it worth noting that Froakie is Ash's first Pokémon that was originally own by another trainer before being released that is not a Fire-type? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 13:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Frubble

Frubble is dat word from a episode? which the character say this? --Altruis _でんき 08:07, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Clemont. XY001 ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 08:39, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Only Starter

Is it notable that this is Ash's only Kalos starter? The series is really new, so he might get another one. It's unlikely for two main characters to have the same Pokémon, but May and Ash both have Bulbasaur. --Wynd Fox 21:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Not quite sure; Sceptile was Ash's only Hoenn starter, but that face isn't mentioned, so I don't think we should add it here. ZappaOMati 15:30, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Quick Attack

Shouldn't we wait to add Quick Attack given he didn't actually use it correctly yet?? He hasn't used the full move even once yet.RBK (talk) 04:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes it did, alongside Frogadier, but unlike Frogadier, Froakie was countered by Team Rocket. Plus, Ash commanded it to use it and it did use it a few times, watch the episode!!--Omojuzeforever (talk) 16:38, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I've watched it lol. Ash commanded him to use it but he never actually used the whole attack. Not the way Frogadier or Pikachu use it at least. He started to learn in it this episode, he hasn't learned it fully yet.RBK (talk) 11:23, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

froakie IS male

In the episode where ash and friends visit a kindagarten, sylveon uses attract on froakie. Later, meowth falls in love with sylveon. Therefore sylveon is female, meaning froakie must be male. - unsigned comment from Lu-igi board (talk • contribs)

That's no plausible evidence. We're not (and will never be) 100% sure on that particular Sylveon's gender, even if Meowth fell in love with it. We don't add genders on assumption. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 11:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

But Meowth is obviously a male, and Attract only works on the opposite gender, therefore Sylveon MUST be female and Froakie MUST be male. --SuperPikaBros 14:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Froakie was the one inflicted with Attract. Meowth was never targeted with that move in that episode. Berrenta (talk) 14:20, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Meowth still fell in love with the Sylveon, though, Attract or not. That's gotta mean Sylveon's female, and since the obviously female Sylveon's Attract worked on Froakie, there you go. Or is there a reason it's not that simple? Because I have a feeling that if it was that simple, we wouldn't be discussing this. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 14:36, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Meowth fell in love with a male Purrloin back in BW044, so we can't assume that Sylveon is female. Like the aforementioned Purrloin, it could be male for all we know. He's here! The one and only...Uncle Edit! (talk) 14:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, forgot about that. Alright, then, yeah I'd say that Froakie's gender remains unconfirmed, though is still pretty likely to be male IMO. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 04:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Why does the rules for confirming gender have to be so strict? º_º' Like, why can't we just figure gender out by looking at the behavior of the Pokémon? Or at least verify gender through it's voice? Trip's Snivy and Ash's Snivy had different voices, with Ash's having the girl-like voice and Trip's having the more boyish voice. --リックEO (オープン for discussion) 07:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

We don't confirm genders based on behavior or voices because we could still be wrong. For all we know, Trip's Snivy can really just be a very masculine female.--ForceFire 07:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually in some cases we can. DuArt has confirmed numerous times that they have Pokémon voices universal. So in Snivy's case, Michele Knotz always is the voice of female Snivy, and so on. However, Froakie is an unconfirmed case, so the same can't apply here until there's more confirmation. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 07:29, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

When Froakie evolves...

Can someone put in the trivia section that Frogadier is Ash's first Water-type starter Pokémon to evolve? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 03:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Once the episode airs, sure. --リックEO (My message board) 04:27, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

It's out

The episode is out now. Could somebody unprotect and move the page now? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Frogadier's moves

With the new release of XY052, Frogadier has learned Aerial Ace, and so far that was only move shown (possibly Cut as well, but I'm not sure about that one), so I changed it to only Aerial Ace being the recent move, however a user, JasonL changed it to Water Pulse, Bubble and Cut also being recent, since a Pokémon can only know four moves, I only put down Aerial Ace as recent since we cannot speculate on the other 3 moves kept until we see them in a episode (I wasn't sure what he meant by "Just think of the moves as so far" in his/her edit summary). Can anyone else confirm if I'm right or wrong since I don't want to start an edit war S 16:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC) - StephenWalker97

Before Evolution, Froakie only used Water Pulse, Cut and Double Team so far, but didn't use Bubble. After it evolved it used Cut and that other move I'm not sure if its Aerial Ace or something else.--JasonL 23:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Not related to JasonL's post (and put :, ::, ::: when you add a new edit/discussion of text), but to those who keep adding Water Pulse and Double Team as recent, don't, even if its confirmed by other sources e.g. CoroCoro in a episode preview, you don't add it as recent until the episode in which Frogadier uses the new move airs. StephenWalker97 (talk) 17:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not involved, but...just wondering. If it's already known in the Japanese dub that, let's say, in XY055 Frogadier uses Water Pulse (I'm not saying it does, I'm just saying let's assume it), why are we not putting that in now? Is it just something to do with waiting for the English dub to air before updating the article? The reason I ask is because articles on the various Pokémon are already updated based on happenings in episodes not aired in English; see Ash's Goomy for example. (And kind of a spoiler now.) So if we're trying to prevent spoilers, then Japanese airings should not update in here at all. Otherw3ise it's a double standard.

If I have the reasoning wrong, please enlighten me. CycloneGU (talk) 17:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

One of our thesis is right Frogadier did use Water Pulse, Double Team, Cut and Aerial Ace.--JasonL 15:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Frogadier's New Move

Did Frogadier learned Aerial Ace? It's hard to tell because I saw one of its arms glow blue and it did some kicks. And I know it used Cut.--JasonL 23:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Proof for Frogadier's English VA

[1] Technickal (talk) 16:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Didn't specify Ash's Frogadier. Thompson may have thought they were talking about Frogadier in general.--ForceFire 02:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Greninja

Hey guys, it's looking like Frogadier is gonna be evolving into Greninja sometime soon: linkRBK (talk) 03:22, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

You might be right althought Frogadier's evolution into Greninja might be little bit late

Thanks to Data broadcast we know he won't evolve not before 93 episode, after that sure he might.

Cool pic where you get it - unsigned comment from Makarov5 (talk • contribs)

Well, that would be a spoiler if I've ever seen one. We had this with Fletchinder's evolution, as well, I think. At least, I think it was Fletchinder; it evolved just before the movie. CycloneGU (talk) 00:06, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Conflicting Perspective in Regards to Evolution

I remember that it was said that changes to articles of Pokemon evolving were "protected" and not changed to prevent speculation from getting rampant. But I don't see how its considered speculation when official sources straight out say that a main character's Pokemon is going to evolve. Like here, Frogadier is evolving into Greninja, there's no speculation here, it's been 110% confirmed by official sources. But then I thought about something else, is the actual reason why these type of articles remain the same until the evolution occurs because the evolution hasn't actually happened yet? I feel as if that makes more sense than because it doesn't change because it's cracking down on speculation that articles remain they way they are until the actual episode airs. I just realized now, how weird it is, to say that an article is protected because of speculation crackdown rather than maintaining the current (as of now) status of said Pokemon. --Dman dustin (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

When you consider that the evolution is at an unspecified future time and nothing is known about the situation or the changes in personality, it would all be speculation. The only information (using Frogadier/Greninja as an example) that we know for a fact right now is that the evolution will occur in the future and that even further in the future it can take on a new form. So with that limited information, it is pretty pointless to post that an evolution will occur in the future, as it is going to be a very small amount of information that is very likely to provoke speculation (which it seems to have in the past). Of course I'm a newer member here, and this is just my view of it from glancing around, but it makes sense to call it speculation to me.ChE clarinetist (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2015 (UTC)