Talk:XY078
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- Why this episode is called special, not XY078?He doesn't possess any difference from a filler episode of the regular series.--Hikaru Wazana 03:50- 18 June 2015
- Yeah I'd really like to know why the decision was made for this to be a Pikachu special when it has pretty much everything it needs to be labelled an actual episode of Pokemon XY anime. It had a cohesive XY plot, had the main characters of the XY anime, had HUMAN characters, would be considered an actual episode of XY anime, if there wasn't the decision to make to it a little more stylized than normal. I heavily vote or suggest it be moved XY078. --Dman dustin (talk) 04:21, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Except that most episodes don't have 4 parts to them, with separate titles for each part. Playerking95 (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Stylized preference of the director of the episode. You honestly couldn't just watch ONE of these parts and get the whole point. The first segment introduced the setting, and the characters, the 2nd segment was about making the film, and finally the third segment was for the movie as well as end the episode, the final segment was just a fun behind the scenes segment taking place during the 2nd segment and before the third segment, but could be done without. The other 3 are vital. --Dman dustin (talk) 04:53, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- We're aware of these comments, and are considering options regarding this article. Please be patient. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 05:09, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Not sure what's going on here, but just wanted add further thoughts. I always thought the criteria for something to be a special had to fit at least three points. 1). It doesn't air on TV Tokyo 2). Lack of human characters within the episode/special like the Pikachu shorts and 3). If there are human characters they can't be the main characters within the current series. So an episode about Misty would be a special, but how in the world is an episode revolving around Serena, Clemont, Bonnie, and Ash, actually has a consistent plot, aired on TV Tokyo considered a special just because it's stylized differently than the normal episode.--Dman dustin (talk) 19:20, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
- On VOD platforms such as hulu, it's considered completely a normal episode, it even also has its own ordinary opening, its own ordinary ending, its own ordinary Oak Caster, and completely ordinary previews linking it in-sequence with the previous/next episodes, which is something that Mega Evolution episodes, and the TV airing of one of the ANA shorts don't even have. If the dub airs it without any issue at all completely in-sequence, will you consider it an ordinary episode then? Bluesun (talk) 05:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Well, it seems like the dub has skipped this episode, which I think helps to prove that this is more of a special. So I don't think this episode should be moved to XY078 in the future. I know the dub usually changes things, but they wouldn't skip a normal episode for no reason and I don't see why they would skip this one. Playerking95 (talk) 05:50, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- XY078 (SS033 now) is the "movie episode", which is not considered a special. It also has the preview for XY079 (XY078) at the end of the episode. Seiya Loveless (talk)
- I agree, this should be XY078. Even though it is split into 4 parts, and even though the dub didn't air it, it shares many other qualities with normal episodes. As Bluesun said, it has its own opening, its own ending, its own Oak segment, and its own preview. Additionally, a good portion of the community considers this to be XY078 and it sorta throws them off when they come to Bulbapedia and see that all the subsequent episodes are like an episode off. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 03:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- Lots of people also believe that certain Pokemon names are pronounced a certain way, when in fact the way they pronounce them is incorrect. So just because lots of people consider it a normal episode, that does not make it so. There's no reason why even a special episode can't include the normal opening, ending and Oak Live Caster segments. Do you expect them to make up an original opening and ending for just one special? Because I'm sure they would have more important things to do than that. Playerking95 (talk) 04:54, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- Or they could what they did with the mega evolution acts, and not give it an opening or an ending and just a fancy title screen, which they didn't do. I mean this isn't like the Iris and Cilan specials, is it? No, because Ash wasn't a part of them and that's why it was called a special. I mean why wasn't DP117 treated like a special? Why isn't XY079, or XY081? (since those episodes are barely about Ash at all) Being segmented was never a condition for an episode to being a special. But suddenly when this episode airs, suddenly its a condition. This episode violates what Bulbapedia has argued is considered a special this whole time. The thing is the segments are interconnected and cannot be seen by themselves, their just stylized chapters within and episode. Or in terms of a Movie theater play or movie. We have Act 1 introducing the characters, Act 2 revealing the problem, Act 3 the conclusion. DVD movies have their own "chapters" so you can skip to that part of the movie. All this episode was, is a normal XY episode with stylized breaks and a different approach to how a usual episode goes. Unprecedented in the entire Pokemon anime, and JUST because of it being different, it's merely considered a special, for the hell of it. For no reason, then because its different. --Dman dustin (talk) 23:29, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
- I also agree that this should be XY078. The two episodes together (This and XY077) aired as a "1 hour special", but individually they are seperate episodes. Why does this get special treatment and the other one doesn't, especially after the other valid points which have been raised here? As previously mentioned, the community as a majority counts this as XY078. There is no official statement saying if this is a special or not (and this goes for everything) so nobody is *right*; Someone just needs to make sure that things are consistent. Pronunciations can't really be used as a good example of something that is definitely right either, since there have been a number of different official pronunciations of the same pokemon, for example Arceus has ar-see-us, ar-say-us and ark-ee-us in English media. Astralradish (talk) 00:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
- Personally, I think it's ridiculous that this is actually being fought. Dman dustin brought up an excellent point in that most of the other special episodes (aside from the DP and BW specials, which aired after the conclusion of their respective series) use either some sort of special opening, or none at all. But either way, I don't quite understand how Bulbapedia as a whole is looking at this. Just because it was split into 4 parts, they decided to place it as a special, and now we're trying to work back to a mainstream XY episode. Maybe try looking at it the other way, it'd probably make a lot more sense. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 00:02, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Or they could what they did with the mega evolution acts, and not give it an opening or an ending and just a fancy title screen, which they didn't do. I mean this isn't like the Iris and Cilan specials, is it? No, because Ash wasn't a part of them and that's why it was called a special. I mean why wasn't DP117 treated like a special? Why isn't XY079, or XY081? (since those episodes are barely about Ash at all) Being segmented was never a condition for an episode to being a special. But suddenly when this episode airs, suddenly its a condition. This episode violates what Bulbapedia has argued is considered a special this whole time. The thing is the segments are interconnected and cannot be seen by themselves, their just stylized chapters within and episode. Or in terms of a Movie theater play or movie. We have Act 1 introducing the characters, Act 2 revealing the problem, Act 3 the conclusion. DVD movies have their own "chapters" so you can skip to that part of the movie. All this episode was, is a normal XY episode with stylized breaks and a different approach to how a usual episode goes. Unprecedented in the entire Pokemon anime, and JUST because of it being different, it's merely considered a special, for the hell of it. For no reason, then because its different. --Dman dustin (talk) 23:29, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
- Lots of people also believe that certain Pokemon names are pronounced a certain way, when in fact the way they pronounce them is incorrect. So just because lots of people consider it a normal episode, that does not make it so. There's no reason why even a special episode can't include the normal opening, ending and Oak Live Caster segments. Do you expect them to make up an original opening and ending for just one special? Because I'm sure they would have more important things to do than that. Playerking95 (talk) 04:54, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, this should be XY078. Even though it is split into 4 parts, and even though the dub didn't air it, it shares many other qualities with normal episodes. As Bluesun said, it has its own opening, its own ending, its own Oak segment, and its own preview. Additionally, a good portion of the community considers this to be XY078 and it sorta throws them off when they come to Bulbapedia and see that all the subsequent episodes are like an episode off. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 03:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- XY078 (SS033 now) is the "movie episode", which is not considered a special. It also has the preview for XY079 (XY078) at the end of the episode. Seiya Loveless (talk)
- Well, it seems like the dub has skipped this episode, which I think helps to prove that this is more of a special. So I don't think this episode should be moved to XY078 in the future. I know the dub usually changes things, but they wouldn't skip a normal episode for no reason and I don't see why they would skip this one. Playerking95 (talk) 05:50, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- On VOD platforms such as hulu, it's considered completely a normal episode, it even also has its own ordinary opening, its own ordinary ending, its own ordinary Oak Caster, and completely ordinary previews linking it in-sequence with the previous/next episodes, which is something that Mega Evolution episodes, and the TV airing of one of the ANA shorts don't even have. If the dub airs it without any issue at all completely in-sequence, will you consider it an ordinary episode then? Bluesun (talk) 05:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Not sure what's going on here, but just wanted add further thoughts. I always thought the criteria for something to be a special had to fit at least three points. 1). It doesn't air on TV Tokyo 2). Lack of human characters within the episode/special like the Pikachu shorts and 3). If there are human characters they can't be the main characters within the current series. So an episode about Misty would be a special, but how in the world is an episode revolving around Serena, Clemont, Bonnie, and Ash, actually has a consistent plot, aired on TV Tokyo considered a special just because it's stylized differently than the normal episode.--Dman dustin (talk) 19:20, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
- We're aware of these comments, and are considering options regarding this article. Please be patient. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 05:09, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Stylized preference of the director of the episode. You honestly couldn't just watch ONE of these parts and get the whole point. The first segment introduced the setting, and the characters, the 2nd segment was about making the film, and finally the third segment was for the movie as well as end the episode, the final segment was just a fun behind the scenes segment taking place during the 2nd segment and before the third segment, but could be done without. The other 3 are vital. --Dman dustin (talk) 04:53, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Except that most episodes don't have 4 parts to them, with separate titles for each part. Playerking95 (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent)Since this is being placed as being aired later in Season 18 as "Lights! Camera! Pika!", can't we just label this as XY078 and be done with it, please? Even the Pocket Monsters Subs label this as Episode 78. --Gen6Fan (talk)
- I agree, this should be XY078, this being aired later in the dub means that it will be out of order as with EP052 & EP053. Another way to be sure is to wait till this episode airs, if it is listed in Pokemon.com's listing for Season 18, then it is a regular episode, aired out of order by the dub. If this is a special, then Pokemon.com will not add it in the regular episodes list, as with Mega Evolution specials. If this is a regular, then it will be added there, as with Holiday Hi-Jynx and Snow Way Out. → PikaTepig999 7:32 PM, October 16, 2015 (IST) 14:02, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Cartoon Network seems to be officially considering this a regular episode (seeing as how the actual specials are not included in the Zap2it episode guide list). Also, fansubs of Japanese episodes are not official sources, but what Cartoon Network is considering it from what Zap2it says is, and Zap2it is a reliable source. This is also interfering with if we should list a dub review thread on the Bulbagarden Forums or not since we don't do this for special episodes, even though an episode number is listed for the dub on Zap2it's episode guide. - PokémonGamer* 00:29, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
- While everything looks like it is a normal episode, we should really wait to see if Pokémon.com lists it under Season 18. It would be a huge waste to move it and then have to move it back if they didn't consider it a main episode. --HoennMaster 07:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- From @BulbaNewsNOW's twitter:
- "SS033 (Lights! Camera! Pika!) is now on iTunes in the UK, US, Canada & Australia. It is the 1st SS episode available in an XY iTunes volume."
- So it's being listed under Season 18 on iTunes. Not Pokemon.com yet. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 16:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'd say it's pretty obvious this isn't a special episode. It's on Pokémon.com now (under season 18), it's available on iTunes (under season 18), Ash is a main character in it, and it has the normal intro. There's literally nothing that indicates that this episode is a special, it really needs to be moved. --15avaughn (talk) 21:40, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
- While everything looks like it is a normal episode, we should really wait to see if Pokémon.com lists it under Season 18. It would be a huge waste to move it and then have to move it back if they didn't consider it a main episode. --HoennMaster 07:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Cartoon Network seems to be officially considering this a regular episode (seeing as how the actual specials are not included in the Zap2it episode guide list). Also, fansubs of Japanese episodes are not official sources, but what Cartoon Network is considering it from what Zap2it says is, and Zap2it is a reliable source. This is also interfering with if we should list a dub review thread on the Bulbagarden Forums or not since we don't do this for special episodes, even though an episode number is listed for the dub on Zap2it's episode guide. - PokémonGamer* 00:29, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Just a quick note, no one should move this page or anything related until staff gives permision. If we do move it, it's going to be a huge amount of moving and this should be lead or at least supervised by staff. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 21:48, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Lights! Camera! Pika! is confirmed as an episode: It's officially listed on Pokemon.com as Episode 41http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/18_41-lights-camera-pika/ --Gen6Fan (talk)
- So this is a pretty normal episode being aired in a different order in the dub, like EP052 and 053. When is this going to be moved?? Also, there will be a bit of triva needed like Team Rocket do not appear in this episode, instead of the regualr title card segment featuring Ash and his friends, this episode has 4 different titles for each part and something more like it. → PikaTepig999 11:31, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, this should probably be moved to XY078. The english Pokemon website don't list special episodes along with normal episodes, as far as I'm concerned. Playerking95 (talk) 06:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- Is one of the staff gonna do it or somebody else? → PikaTepig999 11:05, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- The staff is currently discussing the matter, along with several other matters. A conclusion may take a while.--ForceFire 12:17, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- Why even bother taking days to discuss it? I realize it's gonna take a lot of work to fix it all up but there's so much evidence stacked up that it is a regular episode that it can hardly be contested anymore. It just seems like a waste of time to me. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 06:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
- Thought my wording already covered why it's going to take a while; this isn't the only matter we are discussing. There are several other things we are discussing, this is just one of them.--ForceFire 04:05, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah but that wasn't what I was asking. I meant why even bother discussing it when there's so much evidence that you can't possibly think it's still a special? What is there to discuss about it? --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 04:43, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Moving a page is easy. Cleaning up the mess left behind is not. Pestering admins won't get it done any faster. --HoennMaster 05:01, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- It's not even just one move, but also moving SS034 and SS035 (which are under consideration to be moved themselves) as well as XY078 through XY101, and the CODs that appeared in them. Relinking all the pages that currently link to them is also a large task. --Abcboy (talk) 05:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Oh no I totally get that, I'm just saying that the way I see it the admins are wasting time "discussing" when they could be working on this large task. You say pestering admins won't get it done faster, but in reality they've not even started. That's just my take though and I'm grateful you guys are even considering making the move. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 06:26, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- It's not even just one move, but also moving SS034 and SS035 (which are under consideration to be moved themselves) as well as XY078 through XY101, and the CODs that appeared in them. Relinking all the pages that currently link to them is also a large task. --Abcboy (talk) 05:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Moving a page is easy. Cleaning up the mess left behind is not. Pestering admins won't get it done any faster. --HoennMaster 05:01, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah but that wasn't what I was asking. I meant why even bother discussing it when there's so much evidence that you can't possibly think it's still a special? What is there to discuss about it? --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 04:43, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thought my wording already covered why it's going to take a while; this isn't the only matter we are discussing. There are several other things we are discussing, this is just one of them.--ForceFire 04:05, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
- Why even bother taking days to discuss it? I realize it's gonna take a lot of work to fix it all up but there's so much evidence stacked up that it is a regular episode that it can hardly be contested anymore. It just seems like a waste of time to me. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 06:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
- The staff is currently discussing the matter, along with several other matters. A conclusion may take a while.--ForceFire 12:17, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- Is one of the staff gonna do it or somebody else? → PikaTepig999 11:05, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, this should probably be moved to XY078. The english Pokemon website don't list special episodes along with normal episodes, as far as I'm concerned. Playerking95 (talk) 06:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Saying that this is a huge task is not going to get the task done any faster. Some Admin just has to move 25 or something episodes forward and then other links can be changed by other users by seeing what links here. Instead of discussing so much about it, move the page, and let's gets started on changing the links in the COD and other pages. → PikaTepig999 08:35, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- There's not yet a consensus on whether or not the Mega Evolution Specials and a bunch of the other specials should be moved to other titles. What's the point of correcting all the links to SS035, if a week later you're changing them all again to ME04? The moves are to be done together to reduce the amount of redundant work. --Abcboy (talk) 10:54, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- ( o.o) (o.o ) Is it possible for it to be both Special and an Episode? The English adaptation listed it as a normal episode, but I'm not entirely sure it was meant to be one originally considering the way it was presented. Plus in the end, it was really about the Pikachu anyway.-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 21:43, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- The issue I've always took as that what can classify as a special HAS never applied to this particular episode. Specials are supposed to be "episodes" where Ash is NOT the focus of the episode or even shows up in a big way. Which is why the Iris and Cilan, Dawn and Brock episodes were specials because they had nothing to do with Ash, they were side episodes. This CANNOT be considered a side episode since this episode outside of the stylized format fits any other normal episode. It had an opening, it had Ash, Serena, Clemont, Bonnie, it had a plot, so it wasn't some 4 minute segment unrelated to another 4 minute segment airing at the same time. It had an ending, and a next episode preview. If I'm not mistaken, there was even next upcoming episode preview showcasing this episode. I know this was part of a one hour special but everything pointed to this being a normal episode. But the ONLY reason it was considered a special. Was because of the different stylized format of the episode, which was never a good enough reason. If Bulbapedia kept their rule of what's considered a special the whole "Side Story episodes of the Anime Unlike the main anime, Ash Ketchum is not featured in a central focus", if they kept that this would already be considered XY078. The different stylized format should never have been considered as making this a special. Plus there have been episodes within the main anime that BARELY focused on Ash, and wasn't considered a special. Such as DP117, and the focus on Ash, Brock and Dawn was so minimal it might as well have been considered a special side story, but it wasn't. So why would this episode be considered a special despite the heavy influence of Ash, Serena, Bonnie and Clemont, and this being like any other normal "filler" episode, the difference being that this episode was treated like a segmented movie, because that was the plot of the episode. --Dman dustin (talk) 22:54, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Erm, my first question wasn't answered... Whatever, I know it's not your average "Special Episode", perhaps it was something new with XY- I don't know- but the episode didn't center on Ash, Serena, Bonnie, or Clemont but really on the heavily induced Pikachu (more like Cosplay Pikachu but, whatever still Pikachu nonetheless). I know it had a preview as well, but it didn't start with the title card like the other episodes usually do, making it the only unique one out of all of them. (was this the only Holocaster to repeat the pokemon shown? Since it was about Pikachu, i guess thats why they did it) Why would the animators decide on that for just one filler episode when there were plenty of other fillers they introduced the same way as non filler episodes?
- The issue I've always took as that what can classify as a special HAS never applied to this particular episode. Specials are supposed to be "episodes" where Ash is NOT the focus of the episode or even shows up in a big way. Which is why the Iris and Cilan, Dawn and Brock episodes were specials because they had nothing to do with Ash, they were side episodes. This CANNOT be considered a side episode since this episode outside of the stylized format fits any other normal episode. It had an opening, it had Ash, Serena, Clemont, Bonnie, it had a plot, so it wasn't some 4 minute segment unrelated to another 4 minute segment airing at the same time. It had an ending, and a next episode preview. If I'm not mistaken, there was even next upcoming episode preview showcasing this episode. I know this was part of a one hour special but everything pointed to this being a normal episode. But the ONLY reason it was considered a special. Was because of the different stylized format of the episode, which was never a good enough reason. If Bulbapedia kept their rule of what's considered a special the whole "Side Story episodes of the Anime Unlike the main anime, Ash Ketchum is not featured in a central focus", if they kept that this would already be considered XY078. The different stylized format should never have been considered as making this a special. Plus there have been episodes within the main anime that BARELY focused on Ash, and wasn't considered a special. Such as DP117, and the focus on Ash, Brock and Dawn was so minimal it might as well have been considered a special side story, but it wasn't. So why would this episode be considered a special despite the heavy influence of Ash, Serena, Bonnie and Clemont, and this being like any other normal "filler" episode, the difference being that this episode was treated like a segmented movie, because that was the plot of the episode. --Dman dustin (talk) 22:54, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- ( o.o) (o.o ) Is it possible for it to be both Special and an Episode? The English adaptation listed it as a normal episode, but I'm not entirely sure it was meant to be one originally considering the way it was presented. Plus in the end, it was really about the Pikachu anyway.-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 21:43, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- There was also movie based episodes in previous seasons where they were introduced normally as well, like with the female Zoura back in Unova.
- That's just me though. (Maybe they've planned to introced all movie based eps like that from now onwards...)
- Still, considering what was said this could be viewed as a normal episode I guess. I'm just annoyed about how long this wasn't settled, I wonder how much work it's going to be if this gets approved... Would making it both a special and an episode work? Probably not I guess.-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 04:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
So when is this page gonna be moved? PokemonCool (talk) 08:52, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- When the admins have finished discussing the issue and agree that it should be moved, then it won't be long until this page and all of the other pages will be moved. Be patient. Playerking95 (talk) 10:47, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
What's Left to Discuss?
Reading through this talk page, I was confused as to why this issue is still unresolved. There is overwhelming evidence that this episode should be considered as a normal episode (all the main characters are in it, regular title screen, and pokemon.com officially listed it as Episode 41). I know that moving all these pages will take quite a bit of work, but by delaying the adoption of the policy to discuss it when it is pretty clear it should be listed as a normal episode will only lead to even more work needing to be done. Given the overwhelming evidence, we should decided quickly, if not now, that this episode will be considered a normal episode so we can start to work on moving the pages. DTM (talk) 19:33, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
- Abcboy already said why it hasn't happened in the last discussion. --HoennMaster 21:11, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
How much more are we gonna wait? It has been a couple of months now. How much more time do the admins need? PokemonCool (talk) 16:31, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Just be patient. Playerking95 (talk) 00:46, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Clearly, no one is taking the time to do this? I really don't get it, all the proof is there, what is there left to discuss? Move it and be done with it. It's now almost March and it's been since June that this topic has been talked about, I mean almost 10 months people and no "decision" has been made to move this page to the correct spot? You've got to be kidding me. It's a simple yes, the only reason why it's a simple yes is because the proof has been laid out for months right in front your eyes. So enough is enough, I get it the admins have a life and they are busy, but again, this shouldn't have taken 10 months to "decide" a simple question that has been proven to validate it's move. Demers-Vachon 13:19, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Voices
I don’t see them in the credits, but Pikachu Rockstar’s and Pikachu PhD’s movie voices sound an awful lot like Eric Stuart and Rachael Lillis to me. Is there a way someone can find out more about this? --LaprasBoi (talk) 07:27, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
- Twitter confirmed that Jake Paque voiced Pikachu Rockstar but I don't have info on PhD's VA. PattyMan 16:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
