Talk:Toxicroak (Pokémon)

Why aren't the different sprites of Toxicroak seen in the page? Shouldn't it be there? File:Ani448MS.gifJmathFile:Ani447MS.gifTalkFile:Ani448MS.gif 13:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I think we didn't upload them yet (don't ask me to!) Optimatum^Talk|♊13:02 7 Mar 2008

I saw one of the sprites on Saturn's page. File:Ani448MS.gifJmathFile:Ani447MS.gifTalkFile:Ani448MS.gif 13:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

That was the basic shiny sprite...not the ones that added the 'm' and 'f'...Optimatum^Talk|♊13:15 7 Mar 2008

But don't we add the shiny sprites to the article as well? File:Ani448MS.gifJmathFile:Ani447MS.gifTalkFile:Ani448MS.gif 13:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Is Saturn's shiny or not I mean it looks shiny but ppl say it isn't and I'm confused! User:Crystallucario/Sig 13:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The shiny color seems right but...Optimatum^Talk|♊13:33 7 Mar 2008

• I know but everyone says it isn't!

User:Crystallucario/Sig 13:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Wait, I'll settle the sprite prob first...

Template:Png and Template:Png or Template:Png. See? Optimatum^Talk|♊13:37 7 Mar 2008

Does the Pokédex [entry] look absolutely exactly like the Toxicroak? Strange.. my Pokédex, despite a shiny Flygon being the first Flygon I had, it doesn't list it as shiny. I know about the anime =/= games thing, but STILL! Also, look at Croagunk, and compare it to the regular sprite. Orange and blue. Typical. Now compare Toxicroak to the POKÉDEX image and the sprite. Damn different. Tina ^δ♫ 16:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Please, stop this bullshit. Ash scanned the toxicroak and the image of the pokedex showed the blure-greenish colour. The pokedex always shows the regular pokemon ( when the shiny noctowl was scanned back in jotho, a brown noctowl was displayed at the pokedex). So the "shiny" colour is the normal anime colour. Live with it. All the toys of toxicroak look like the anime version: do you really think they would sell only the shiny version of the pokemon? I will edit the toxicroak article every time until you come to your senses... DocDoak. 18:40, 7 March 2008

Someone needs to interview an Art Director, or we need to see Croagunk evolving to be absolutely sure. --Dman dustin 18:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Ash scanned a shiny noctowl and the pokedex showed him a normal noctowl. Ash scans this toxicroak and the pokedex showed him..guess what? THIS toxicroak. it is a normal one. We don´t need an interview or something like that. http://serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=7636013&postcount=25 <- look at all of the toys. btw, the toys are much older than this weeks episode, so , no, it isn´t a toy-line for the episode. Toxicroak is not the first pokemon which looks different in the first games it was released in than the other medias. think about bellosom or ariados... DocDoak, 18:12, 7 March 2008

People, people, please. Whomsover has seen the anime episode can end this war by ansering this question.

• When Toxicrak was released from it's Poké Ball, did stars appear like they did with Noctowl?
  • If yes, Toxicroak is shiny.
  • If no, Toxicroak is not shiny.

Can't get simpler than that. Personally I blame GameFreak for not being creative with their shiny colours (tch, light blue!). (P.S. I haven't seen the episode so I can't answer the question.) TESHIGIGAS ⁴⁸⁶ 18:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I saw the episode and their wasn´t a sparkle. there was a effect which some people might think is the shiny effect, but it was just for show of and was shown like this several time before that on non-shiny pokemon. My Pokédex argument still stands. DocDoak, 18:19 7 March, 2008

All right, this debate on whether that Toxicroak is shiny or not is really getting out of hand. If the Toxicroak was really shiny, wouldn't someone mention something about it being shiny (I'm talking about in the show). But no one said anything about it. It was like with anything else. They see a Pokémon, scan it and the episode goes on. I am not saying the Toxicroak is not shiny but wouldn't it be better to wait for another Toxicroak to appear and note whether they have same color or not. If they do, it's definitely not shiny but if the other one is blue instead, we can agree this one is shiny. File:Ani448MS.gifJmathFile:Ani447MS.gifTalkFile:Ani448MS.gif 18:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. That is the reason why I edited "speculated to be shiny" in the article inthe last few days, but for some reason, people edited it away. I still think that the toys, the episode and the pokedex pretty much confirm that it isn´t shiny,but I can agree on a "unsure if shiny or not"-compromise. DocDoak, 18:29, 7 March 2008

If an admin leaves it shiny for now, then leave it. TESHIGIGAS ⁴⁸⁶ 18:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I will, WHEN an admin will do it. And , seriously, why can´t you answer on my points about it being not a shiny pokemon? Just stopping the discussion won´t get you any further.. DocDoak, 19:33

Quoting TTEchidna's summary for the recent edit on Alternate coloration: It's shiny until we see seventy Toxicroak together with the color, since the shiny sprite is the exact color. This indicates that we already have a sysop view of this whole situation, which means anyone who says it's not alternate-color is disagreeing with a sysop.

As for my 2¢: The Toxicroak in question is to be considered an alternate-color unless significant evidence within the anime exists otherwise. Besides, if the anime WERE to be considering that Toxicroak normal-color, odds are it would consider Brock's Croagunk to be an alternate-color (since Croagunk's color scheme does not change when it evolves), which would set a backwards standard for the evolution line.

As for the effect listed, remember that different generations have different versions of the alternate coloration's effect in the games. Ash's Noctowl was caught in Generation II and hasn't been used since then. DP069 is a Generation IV episode, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the effect would change if Ash brought Noctowl back onto the team, probably to the one seen on this Toxicroak. Besides, if people are using the Poké Ball effects as evidence, then we'd have to say that the purple Shuckle in EP170, the gold Magikarp in AG092, the brown Donphan in AG114, and especially Lance's Gyarados are also not of the alternate-colored variety.

Keep in mind that the anime also has colors not found in the games--note the Pink Butterfree, a purple Kecleon in EP205, a blue Breloom in AG151, and a light-blue Marill also in AG151 don't have the standard normal or alternate-color color schemes from the games.

At this point, I think we should do more research on that green-eyed Jigglypuff in AG138...--Shiningpikablu252 22:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I've seen the sticker with anime's version of Toxicroak certain time ago and it was colored just like in this episode. This means it's just anime coloration and Toxicroak wasn't shiny. --Maxim 19:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I don't think it was shiny as much as I think it's the anime's way of coloring it. I mean look at Ash's Gligar. It's pink for crying out loud. --File:Ani048MS.gifケンジFile:Ani183MS.gifガールFile:Ani123MS.gif 03:43, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd say take this as you will. I for one believe the Toxicroak in question is shiny because the 'light' it comes from promptly turns into smaller star shaped lights before disappearing...--Tsum [1]

Protection request...

Anyone with the abilities to protect this page, should probably do so. I think this edit war is getting out of hand, but I'm gonna try and avoid this debate as much as possible >_> Tina ^δ♫ 19:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I don´t see the problem with a debate. instead of closing the page from edits, why not try to argue for it? why is it allowed that the DP068 page can say it is shiny, and a "speculated to be shiny" entry ( which is more true) will be edited? that´s a doubel standart. Why can´t we say that it is unsure? DocDoak, 19:45, 7 March 2008