Talk:Dive (move)

Locations

A list of the "specific areas" should be included.--Dual 16:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Why Ludicolo?

Just wondering. :/ Cause it says something about Ludicolo in the Gen IV box. TinaTheKirlia ♥ 17:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that means the fact Dive isn't an HM anymore hurts Ludicolo's usefulness in the metagame, but it's still a stupid thing to say in the first place. Bulbapedia may be a place for a gross amount of game data, but not a strategy guide.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Dive HM

I was wondering... is there an item offset for the Dive HM in FRLG? Is it actually an HM, just with no uses, or is it a regular move?

It's only a move and the only way to obtain it is trading a Pokémon to R/S/E, teach it Dive and then send it back. In FRLG Dive is interpreted as any other non-HM move; it means that can be forgotten normally without having to go to the Move Deleter and it has no Field-Effect as there aren't underwater spots in Kanto nor the Sevii Islands. (Could it be that you can migrate Pokémon knowing Dive from FRLG to D/P?) hfc2X 16:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Dive's an item in FRLG, you'd just have to hack it to get it. Far as I know it's treated like an HM, too. TTEchidna 06:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Countering?

I merely forgot how to counter a Pokémon that uses Dive!(Usually a 2-turn moves can be countered, example: Fly with Sky Uppercut & Thunder.) Since this move is no more popular in the IV Generation, I rarely found an opponent using this move, until yesterday in the Battle Arcade.. Help?- unsigned comment from W1l50n1404 (talk • contribs)

Remember to sign your comments, please. And it's Surf.--Dark ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 14:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon mystery dungeon?

Alright, dive cannot be gained by a TM/HM in generation IV, right? Well, on my Pokémon mystery dungeon explorers of sky game I have found some dive TMs. So whats with that? Are move tutor moves avalible for TM in the Pokémon mystery dungeon series due to a lack of move tutors (Although it would make more sense to open a shop in Pokémon square/treasure town where move tutor moves could be taught for some Poké.)?

HM6 is Dive

Dive returns as a HM in Black and WhiteTempest370 10:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Arceus

It says on here Arceus is a Fighting type, but it's normally a ??? type, right? Gliscorguy54 21:53, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

No, it's normally a Normal type. However, when you attach it with certain plates, then it becomes a different type altogether. As a result, we've made it such that the type for Arceus changes after a certain amount of time. ^ht14 21:55, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Dive in the anime

I've always pictured that if there was no water and a Pokémon was commanded to use Dive that they would jump up into the air and "dive" into the opponent, maybe they'd also get surrounded by water? Is that worth mentioning in the trivia? --Landfish7 21:22, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Not until it's actually used. —darklordtrom 06:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Arceus

It says that arceus is a ground type. That is not true. Arceus is an anytype guy-thing. - unsigned comment from SPCC (talk • contribs)

Do not adjust your computer monitor! There is nothing wrong with your Pokémon encyclopedia! There's coding in place here on Bulbapedia that makes Arceus's listed type change as time passes. As I post this Arceus appears as a Dragon-type. --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 20:14, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Respiration

Isn't this page sort of ignoring a pretty fundamental question about Dive? How does the trainer breathe? How? ~ CZeke 03:17, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Probably through the same mechanisms that allow Surf to summon a wave in the middle of the desert or a Zubat with Fly to carry a pre-teen, i.e., a wizard did it. —Minimiscience 03:19, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Instances of Dive in the anime

The trivia section mentions Dive being used in the anime, but there are no examples of it listed. I'd add some, but I don't have time to go through episodes looking for them myself... could someone else add at least one example? Better than none, anyway. Yamiidenryuu 22:55, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

The trivia section doesn't mention anything about the anime..? If you're talking about Lorelei's Cloyster being able to use it, that is in the games. XD Dive has never been used in the anime. Littlmiget123 16:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, wait, I saw Kenji's deletion. Okay, nevermind then. ^-^ Littlmiget123 16:53, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Well then, it seems it's never been used in the anime after all. Okay! Yamiidenryuu 22:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Level up

If a Pokemon learns dive by level up while it is an HM, is it allowed to forget it normally?

If so, can this happen while underwater? Tk3141 05:08, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

HM moves cannot be forgotten, regardless of the method that they were learned. Werdnae (talk) 07:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Dive with Kyogre

Is it worth noting that diving with kyogre can have a negative effect when trying to traverse tight spots? Yamitora1 (talk) 06:23, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

We discussed this elsewhere at one point, forgot where ATM. Different Pokémon (not just Kyogre) have trouble in tight spots. Good luck getting Wailord in there, but if you're on the back of a Corsola, happy hunting. CycloneGU (talk) 15:59, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

How can that be happy hunting? that would be like doing a rodeo on a porcupine. O,O;;

Anyways back to the serious topic at hand, the Surf article as well as the Kyogre and Sharpedo articles each mention having their own models, animations, their speeds and restrictions. Perhaps we should bring this article up to the same level as those articles? Yamitora1 (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Possible Dive in the anime

In the anime, the battle between Groudon and Kyogre during the Hoenn saga, when Groudon fires a Solar Beam, Kyogre dodges it and attacks Groudon. Curiously, Kyogre used Dive in the battle. - unsigned comment from Arceus88 (talk • contribs)

Gulp Missile

I'm pretty sure that Gulp Missile did not exist in Gen IV. Eragon4 (talk) 14:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

It does exist in Gen IV onward, though. Nescientist (talk) 14:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Not really; 'onward' means 'introduced at this time, and continuing to the present day.' As it doesn't have this effect in generations IV, V, VI or VII, I still think that it should be moved to a separate section, or at least given a note. Eragon4 (talk) 14:57, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

We try to concentrate on the changes of the move at hand (Dive), and therefore usually only do notes or separate sections if a mechanic actually changes. Dive didn't change in Generation VIII, it just has a new interaction with something newly introduced. It shouldn't be implied that Gulp Missile existed in Generation IV. Nescientist (talk) 15:22, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, if we're doing it that way, why not put it under generation III? If this move was not changed, put it as far back as possible. Eragon4 (talk) 16:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, one of the reasons is then I'm hearing lots of "I'm pretty sure Gulp Missile did not exist in Gen III."

On a more serious note, though, I actually had a similar feeling, so I've actually made a proposal to change Effect sections some years ago. However, it never made it past proposal status. Nescientist (talk) 18:16, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I just read it. I like the general section at the top idea, and that would definitely be a place to put it; but I am progressively becoming more confused as to where to put it in the main article. On the one hand, as you say, Dive hasn't changed; and yet, the effect does not exist until Gen. VIII. All I know is, if BP was that kind of site, I would have friended you by now.- unsigned comment from Eragon4 (talk • contribs)

Dive can be hit by Toxic

I took a video clip in Shield today of Fisher Harriet's Barraskewda, mid-Dive, being hit by a Drapeon using Toxic. Neither Pokémon can have No Guard. Should I add it to the article, or is this not worth mentioning?- unsigned comment from AstralSnugs (talk • contribs)

It is worth mentioning and as it is an effect of Toxic and "semi-invulnerable turn" it should be mentioned on their pages what is already done.--Rocket Grunt 12:32, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Aha! I dug a bit further, this time on Toxic's page, and found that there's a Toxic sure-hit glitch which made this possible. Never mind, mystery solved!- unsigned comment from AstralSnugs (talk • contribs)

No it's not that glitch. Drapion is a Poison-type Pokemon which allows it to hit Pokemon in semi-invulnerable turn. The glitch makes all moves used in the same turn by this Pokemon also bypass accucary and semi-invulnerability.--Rocket Grunt 13:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)