Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)/Archive 1

Error?

"Giratina is the second dual-type Pokémon that has weaknesses to both of its own types. The other one is Nincada." "The other one is Nincada" - This is incorrect because Nincada is not weak to Bug or Ground. Which Pokemon is actually waek to both of its types? Tesh 18:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

None that I know of. The only types that are weak to themselves are ghost and dragon. I can't think of another combination with the same effect. --ElectAbuzzzz 18:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe somebody did just make an error... I might as well remove it then. Tesh 18:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

If anything, I'd've thought it'd be Shedinja. Remember, to be weak to both of your own types means that one of the types could be weak to itself and the other type. The question is... what Pokémon could be weak to both of its own types? It doesn't seem like any of them could be. I mean, technically, Sableye and Spiritomb are weak to both Dark and Ghost on their Ghost-type, but their Dark-type covers both. So yeah, you're right. Until we get another Ghost/Dragon (which I hope is soon), we're not gonna have any Pokémon weak to their type twice. TTEchidna 05:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm hoping to see a Psychic/Dark or Psychic/Ghost type Pokémon... think about it... Tesh 21:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I know this dosen't fit with previous topics, but i'm worried there might be an error in my game. Is giratina supposed to dissapear if you make it faint?

... uh, yeah. That's what the legendaries do. If you take them out, you just blew your chance and you'd better not have saved. --Pie ^~♪♫ 15:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Devil?

How is giratina the devil of poke'mon? It just lives on an opposite side of the world. Plus I don't think the developers are aware of the body part thing. It is also irrelevant to the subject.--arceus fan File:ArceusDP.png 21:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. If no one objects, I will take it out now.--Dual 06:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Whoever changed it back, don't do it again. Giratina is NOT the Devil Pokemon. Get over it. --Dual 17:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Fourth lake of Sinnoh

Can we be so sure that Giratina is really part of the Dragon trio? It makes sense if you think everything through, but I find it interesting that Giratina is found in a cave near the "fourth lake of Sinnoh". Can it be assumed that Giratina has some association with the Lake trio, or is that simply too much of a stretch? // SzayelAporroGranzFile:Ani282MS.gif 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Arceus created Dialga/Palkia and the lake trio. It's not hard to see the link there. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

H/W eight

The Height and Weight of Giratina's two forms are different. Should we place both of the weights and heights in the article (or in List of Articles by Weight or List of Articles by Height)?^PokeManiac₁₀₂ 18:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Opal trademark

I know we've had this conversation already on the Gold/Silver remakes talk page, but does anyone KNOW for certain that Nintendo trademarked the name Pokémon Opal? As far as I know, nobody's had any luck confirming the DuskGold/DawnSilver trademarks, so how do we know this one is for real, too? --Martonimos 07:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

http://www.pokemonopal.com proves this pretty well. TTEchidnaFire echy 07:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Definitely hard to argue with that. Thanks. Martonimos 23:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't someone have just bought the domain name and have it redirect to Nintendo?--Ocean2292 22:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

According to serbii, it is Pokémon PLatium, and Grantia is the Verson Mascot, I don't like where this is going, can someone block the pages: GRantinia, SHaymin, Regigiggas, Verson Mascot and anything to do with this Pokémon Platium thing, I don't want false rumors Spreading. I guess I'll put a link: http://serebii.net/index2.shtml --Quick Man 14:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Platinum? That's a surprise, since that has nohing to do with a Diamond or a Pearl. Then again, Crystal didn't match Gold and silver, so... - Cassius335 14:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Platinum actually does make some sense, though. Platinum in Japanese can be プラティナム puratinamu, or more commonly, プラチナ purachina (keep in mind chi and ti are essentially interchangeable, at least prounounciation/romanization wise). Now, both words contain ratina, just like ギラティナ Giratina. Puratinamu/Puratina, Giratina... Makes sense to me, anyway. Maybe even more than girasol. Either way, though, Platinum is just a rumor for now. The only problem is that http://www.pokemonplatinum.com doesn't ridirect to Nintendo like http://www.pokemonopal.com does, although I'm sure that will change if the rumors are true. We'll see what happens in the next CoroCoro... Homerowed 05:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

!protectnao

Okay, with this unconfirmed Pokémon Platinum b/s being added to the page (Along with random "e"s added to everything), I request protection. Else, I'll have to be adding my own fake stuff such as Lisae Franke Forme and the like. *runs* Tina^☆♫ 17:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The "random "e"s" are being added because that's how the Official stuff for the 11th movie names the forms of Giratina; if they use "Origine" and "Forme", that's because it's supposed to be like that and we're not to question it. Otherwise we would use "Tears for Fears" instead of "Tears For Fears!", for example. - D-Wheel 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

See it? ORIGINE FORME, ANOTHER FORME. - D-Wheel 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, yeah. This is getting out of hand. Protect. Tina^☆♫ 17:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Protected, but the main reason actually WASN'T the excess E's. It was some bull**** unconfirmed report about a tie-in of its name to platnium based on unconfirmed rumors of the third to Diamond and Pearl being a Platnium (the chances of that being true are slim to none). --Shiningpikablu252 18:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Darling, they're all possibilities! I bet you weren't there when the name was conceived. - D-Wheel 18:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I just hope they don't keep those stupid E's in English. Otherwise we'll have Deoxys Normale Forme, Attacke Forme, Defence Forme, and Speede Forme. Yes, Defence with a C. TTEchidna 02:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't make me start the "sitting on Defence" jokes. - Cassius335 12:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh? You have a problem with English spelling TTE? Glinn Mgraw

Yeah, we really have to get rid of the extra e's. This is english after all. Noname

Respectful disagreement. The Platinum website uses "forme" as well, although it's reverted to "origin". Surely you've seen places that jokingly spell their names "ye olde shoppe," or something similar. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 21:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But we don't know if NOA will go for the fake-Medieval feel. Until we get English confirmation, we should follow the precedent of Deoxys and use modern English. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 21:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

All right, that makes sense. But I think we should definitely at least mention the 'Forme' stuff in the trivia sections of this page and others it's relevant to. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 21:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Didn't anyone notice that this magazine used Shaymin's U.S. name in it? Wonder why... --☆ケンジガール 07:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to understand why people are having such a hard time accepting an official spelling. If the English game gets rid of the "ye olde" then we'll get rid of it then, but by "proper English" rationale we should be calling them "crabby" and "dugong". It's a stylized spelling like any Pokémon name.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid there doesn't seem to be any solving this civilly or simply through discussion. Therefore, I grudgingly announce propose a poll. That's right, a poll. I'm not going to really get into this aside from offering my opinion, and of course voting, but this seems to be a popular topic for discussion, so this page should see a lot of action in the next few hours/days. I'll add the poll momentarily to the bottom of the page. --ニョロトノ666 01:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh boy. Check Deoxys on the official American Pokedex: http://www.pokemon.com/Pokedex/flash.asp I'm afraid that That solves the question. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 01:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Good. There we go, folks. Discussion closed. Now, could somebody please protect this? I see no reason to encourage certain users by allowing them to continue ignoring the facts. --ニョロトノ666 01:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Shoot. That means we have to go around and edit all the Deoxys stuff so it says "forme," too. --ニョロトノ666 01:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Does Uraptu work for Pokemon.com or something? Unless Deoxys is somehow involved in movie 11, I see no reason why they've done that. - Cassius335 10:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

My guess is because two common words like "Another" and "Form" are difficult to trademark together. It's why Hasbro released a toy called "Battle Ravage," because it was too hard to get a trademark on just Ravage, since it's such a common word. So "Another Forme," "Sky Forme," and "Defense Forme" are easier to trademark than they would be if they were spelled correctly. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 19:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

So "Deoxys Normal Form" would be harder to trademark than "Deoxys Normal Forme"? "Deoxys" itself aint exactly a dictionary word.

Besides, wouldn't those four already be trademarked by now? - Cassius335 21:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe, maybe not. Like I said, it was only a guess. But "Deoxys" almost certainly wouldn't be part of the trademark. The bulbanews article mentioned that "Land form" and "Sky form" (or, as it now almost surely is, "Land Forme" and "Sky Forme") were trademarked without any Pokémon name, which is why we have to guess as to who it is. Origin and Another Formes were similarly free-floating trademarks, without "Giratina" anywhere in the title.

ANYWAY, it doesn't matter now. The E is in officially. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 22:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Quick thought: Has anybody checked the Japanese site's Pokedex lately? I wonder if the Japnese names for Deoxys's forms have changed as well... - Cassius335 00:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Er, there's no English on the Japanese Pokédex.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I think he was asking about the Japanese names themselves. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 01:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

...oh. He actually says that outright. Ahahaha. They use the obvious katakana spellings of "Normal," "Attack," "Defense," and "Speed," and the same katakana for "form(e)" as Giratina's (フォルム forumu).--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

So if that's their version, what's everyone else using as "form" (Burmy etc)? - Cassius335 10:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Name Origin

To Cassius335: How the hell did you get Guillotine,Giraffe from Giratina?? Girasol and platina are the only words to make Giratina. Force Fire 11:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

THANK YOU FORCE FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know, if it was based on that word, then it should learn the move...Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links11:45 16 May 2008

I think we have a clear verdict here.Pokémon Master 19:47 16 May 2008

Hmm, Guillotine, Giratina. Guirallotinea. Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links11:50 16 May 2008

Hmmmmm. I do see how guillotine is part of the name, But why giraffe? Force Fire 11:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

But why would Game Freak go through so much trouble of breaking down Guillotine and adding an 'a' to the end when the mascots of Diamond and Pearl are derived from there respective jewel, so obviously they would do similar with the third mascot hence Girasol and Platinum being in Giratina's name.Pokémon Master 20:04 16 May 2008

Yes, we get the idea, I agree, You agree, everyone agrees, Damnit! Force Fire 12:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

OK!I'm just making a point so that Cassius335 sees that he or she doesn't have to be perfect and that people get it wrong sometimes.Pokémon Master 20:09 16 May 2008

Girasol (hence the 'gira' part) + Platina (hence the 'tina' part) = Giratina!

And do sign off, b@$+@rd...Tina could be also an origin, according to you. Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links11:54 16 May 2008

Sorry I forget sometimes.Pokémon Master 19:56 16 May 2008

You attacked me personally. Now tell me, who's better at wikicode? TTE! Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links12:11 16 May 2008

You two knock it off! That is not the reason Bulbapedia is here for. Force Fire 12:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

No Comment.Big Johnno 20:16 16 May 2008

So it's named after a Jewel and a Metal? I'm leaning more towards Giraffe, myself (look at the shape of Another Form).

And frankly "Don't argue with me because I just figured it out" did not inspire confidence. Bulbapedia needs facts, not opinions.

Best to leave the four as was until someone an actually provide a proper source. - Cassius335 11:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think this should be Protected due to the edits....... Force Fire 09:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Next person to revert will be shot. Stop it, and we'll have a discussion here about it. Personally I agree with Big Johnno, Giraffe has no place there. Glinn Mgraw 10:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh? Where are the Girasols,then? All I'm asking for is something to back-up what otherwise is just Big Johnno's opinion, not a fact. - Cassius335 21:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Girasol and Platina Force Fire 23:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

OBVIOUSLY GIRATINA'S NAME ORIGIN IS FROM ME AND GIRASOL, BECAUSE I'M AWESOME.

...I'm sorry. I needed to say something. Tina^☆♫ 23:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Did anyone force you to? --Force Fire 23:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

She meant it as a way of need to acknowledge herself in the discussion•PM102 23:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Well yeah and my inner troll told me to do so anyway. lol. Besides. It was asking for it. Tina^☆♫ 23:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Dang you must be ugly•PM102 23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Girasol doesn't seem to fit. It did when we thought DPv3 would be called Opal, but now that it's being called Platinum, I doubt it. Giraffe is just way out of left field. The last time I checked, giraffes didn't have monstrous claws running up and down their necks. Guillotine... maybe, since Giratina seems to be associated with death. But like Optimus35 said, why doesn't it learn the move, then?

Also: Why hasn't this been protected yet? --Martonimos_((Talk)) 23:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Girasol...... --Force Fire 07:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Guillotine also would not fit, unless you are grasping at straws. Glinn Mgraw 08:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

If you're speaking in strict phonetic terms, then no. Although there is the whole R vs. L thing in Japanese... anyway, I'm thinking more along the lines of fitting thematically. Girasol doesn't work, unless they were planning to call it Opal and changed it to Platinum at the last minute to throw off everyone who had figured it out (doubtful if the -tina part really comes from Platina). And Guillotine does fit sort of, but not quite as well as I'd like. Anyway, I do think Big Johnno's ideas for this have more grounding than Cassius's. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 08:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Big Johnno doesn't have any grounding. He just gave us his opinion with nothing to back it up. - Cassius335

Ooo girare actually suits Giratina pretty good I mean like theres that saying the dead wander the earth forever or something simliar and Giratina is an undead Pokémon

Glinn Mgraw said leave it alone--Force Fire 10:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

That means YOU too Big Johnno... Force Fire 10:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but he's saying "leave it alone" after siding with Big Johnno and eliminating two. I say leave all possibilities in play until we can eliminate them with facts. "Girare" is an interesting one though. - Cassius335 11:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Pulling this out of the text wall...

"Giraffe is just way out of left field. The last time I checked, giraffes didn't have monstrous claws running up and down their necks. Guillotine... maybe, since Giratina seems to be associated with death. But like Optimus35 said, why doesn't it learn the move, then?"

Giraffe's aren't supposed to have a second face on their tails either, and yet we have Girafarig. As for why Giratina doesn't learn Guillotine... no idea. Maybe the Japanese didn't make the connection. - Cassius335 11:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's because Giratina doesn't come from Guillotine? SHOCK HORROR. Glinn Mgraw 11:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Giratina phonetically is (roughly) Gir-ah-teen-ah. Knock off the second 'ah' and what do you get?

Not saying anything for definite though. - Cassius335 11:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Mind if I jump in here? No? Tough. Cassius dude, tell me something, because I'm totally confused here - how the hell does Giratina resemble, or even RELATE to, a freaking guillotine?! Or a giraffe?! It's blatantly obvious to even the dumbest of people that Giratina comes from girasol and platina. Go and pick on some other Pokémon. Cipher 13:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Try reading the page once in a while. As has already been pointed out, Girasol doesn't work any more (some people can't accept that the third game is not Pokémon Opal). Giraffe (I'm guessing) is because Giratina's a four-legged long necked creature (ok, six-legged, but still...). Guillotine as I mentioned in the post above yours is a phonetic soundalike.

Neither of these are my theories, I'm just trying to stop people from jumping to conclusions without a shred of proof. Which, last I checked, we're not supposed to do. - Cassius335 16:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yet you're doing the same thing. These ideas may not be yours, but your constantly re-adding them is the same as what Big Johnno's doing. I suggest we just put down all the ideas we've had so far and figure this out without an edit war going on. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 21:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Um... he's taking way, I'm restoring them. That's not quite the same thing.

And what's currently on the page is all of the idea's so far. That was kind of the point. - Cassius335 21:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Aren't all name origins of Pokémon speculation and opinion? As far as I know, Nintendo has never came out and said, "This is where we got the name." And, while most are obvious, some are not. Just look at that section on Corphish. It's highly doubtful that its name comes from an obscure fishing term from the 1600s, but it's still mentioned on the page. I see no harm in keeping all possibilities, no matter how unlikely. Zurqoxn 22:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

You must draw a line in the sand at some point. Glinn Mgraw 07:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Origin Forme Picture

Wouldn't it make more sense to have Giratina's origin forme art from Platinum, then the art from the anime?

Deoxys uses all of his Sugimori art on his page, and none of the other Pokémon have their anime art on their pages (besides screenshots).

So why was the other art gotten rid of from the page? Pokemega32 19:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

There's no point having two pictures of the same thing. --Force Fire 23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

He was asking why we got rid of the Sugimori art and kept the anime art instead of the other way around, not why we didn't keep both. At any rate, I changed it after seeing his comment, so now we have the Sugimori art alone. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 23:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

where did we get the shiny origine sprite? OrigamiGuy-Talk-Contribs-Mudkipz 17:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone recoloured the normal sprite. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 17:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

and so it'll be changed again when the official sprite is released i presume. OrigamiGuy-Talk-Contribs-Mudkipz 17:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

If there's any real difference. Origin Forme Giratina has the same colors as Another Forme Giratina, so why would the shiny ones differ? It's the same as Deoxys. TTEchidna 07:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Because the real-deal is always superior in quality to the recolor.--Xparasite9 03:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Protection request

A lot of people have making changes and undoing changes. I say we protect it for a while. --☆ケンジガール 20:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

You freakin want everything protected. But for this article, yea, me too•Pokemaniac102 21:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Shiny is near-perfect negative?

The article says that the shiny sprite is a near-perfect negative of the normal sprite. I ask you, does the following look like the statement is true? the only thing that matches up are the red (blue) bands and wing-horns.
Shiny Giratina is not a negative--Xparasite9 03:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)