Talk:Barry (anime)

Game Counterpart

This page belongs in the anime section of the game character. We have it for almost all the other game characters that appear in the anime so why should this be any different. Jmath 14:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Because he's different. He's a Cross-canon counterpart. It would be just like having Ash as a subsection of Red's article. --Maxim 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No he isn't. Jun is basically the same character. Unlike Ash and Red who have some differences. Jmath 14:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Shut up, he is! He's a Cross-canon counterpart. We have articles on all Cross-canon counterparts: Ash, Gary, Jimmy, Marina, Vincent May and Dawn, we also have articles on ALL manga counterparts, then why not on Jun, too? He's got a FULL appearance, unlike Silver, Brendan and Lucas, so he fully deserves a specific article. He is also a MAIN game rival (unlike Wally, who didn't appear in anime, but if he did, he would deserve nothing more than an anime subsection in the game article). Remember for your life - Cross-canon counterpart = Different Character! --Maxim 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

They can only be cross-canon counterparts if one of the characters are based off on the other. But Jun is exactly the same as his game character. Personality, Pokémon, everything. Jmath 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No, that's not true. Any MAIN character counterpart is considered different (except the mentioned three, whose appearances weren't long enough) and please, don't say anything about his personality. That's what we call gun-jumping. We don't even really know what Pokémon will he posess. Rival counterpart = Different character. It's a thing you just have to remember. Don't act like you know more than me about Pokémon. --Maxim 14:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

We don't even know if Jun will be appearing again. And even if Jun is different so should the countless number of game characters that appeared in the show. Jmath 14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Jimmy also appeared for only one episode (though I agree that he SHOULD NOT be put to the template). So, your logic fails. He's an Inter-Media Counterpart not matter if you like it or not. --Maxim 14:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I was not talking about Jimmy. I'm talking about all the gym leaders, game villains, Elite 4, heck even Cheryl and Mira. Jmath 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Then why does Jimmy have an article about him in your opinion? He's just an one-time character, so shouldn't he be just a subsection of Gold according to your logic? The Gym Leaders, Villains, Elite 4 and Other Characters you mentioned are actually the same characters in all canons they appear. It's generally accepted that only counterparts of MAIN game characters count as separate characters. Main characters = Game protagonists, Rivals (the characters you can name, in general). It's a generally-accepted standard and Jun meets it. So, don't argue. --Maxim 14:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Jmath does have a point, Dawn's mother doesn't have an article, and she's pretty important, I would even say more important than Jun, because Johanna has a relation to Dawn. I don't see why Jun would deserve his own article. When Johanna even doesn't. --Dman dustin 14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

FAIL. Johanna is not a MAIN game characters, not a rival or protagonist, she is just a mother. She may be important in the anime, in the games she's not. So, her anime incarnation DOES NOT deserve an article. Your argument failed like a bomb in ocean. --Maxim 14:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Jimmy isn't exactly same as Gold. They're still different just as Ash and Red are different. And by your logic, May and Dawn should go also be in the games page. Jmath 14:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No, they shouldn't. Because they are protagonists/rivals. My main criteria is not the importance of the character in the other canon, name difference or design differences but rather his ROLE IN THE GAME. This is a criteria everyone here agrees with. You're arguing with me for no reason. And you keep losing. --Maxim 14:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Professor Oak, Professor Birch, Professor Elm, Professor Rowan also don't have their own articles (And argue all you want but Professor OAK IS IMPORTANT IN THE GAMES). And plus what you said makes no sense, how is a parent/relative less important than a game rival? Add to the fact we have articles of COTD's and still other characters don't have their own articles. SO YOUR LOGIC FAILS. --Dman dustin 14:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No, it does not fail. The Professors are important, but they're not MAIN characters. And saying that protagonist's parent who just sits in house and sometimes enter Contests is more important that the game rival is just RIDICULOUS. Please, don't insist that you know anything about the things you have no idea about. It's what I hate the most in people like you. --Maxim 14:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Then why the hell do we have articles of people who only showed up once in the anime when these characters I mentioned showed up more than once. See that doesn't make sense. Sure argue I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but you don't either. --Dman dustin 14:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Please, leave COTDs away. They are completely unrelated here. They are completely unrelated to the game characters we are currently talking about. If they appeared in the game, they would have one articles on all their incarnations, but they NEVER appear in the games, so they have only one article - about their one and only incarnation - the anime one. So sorry, you fail again. Your reasons are one of the most stupid ones I've heard in awhile. --Maxim 14:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

IT MAKES NO SENSE. Why is Jun so important, just because he's a damn rival protaginist? If Jun appears only once he's just akin to a COTD. So he get's his own article (just like COTD's). Again it makes no sense. Jun could not important at all, his anime team mirrors his team in the games, which I can't say the same about Professor Oak, Johanna, Professor Elm, and blah blah blah, because they have differences between the two. Professor Oak never had Dragonite in the games, and Johanna never had a Glameow in the games (she only had a Kangaskhan).You know I can understand that it would make some articles with little information(a paragraph at the most). But remember COTD's information really small (just pointing to the connection not importance). And besides if Johanna's game information was so damn important, it would show up on this page http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mom. And when I pointed to the COTDs, you totally missed the point. See your arguement is if they didn't have a important role in the games they don't deserve their own article. Okay I get it but why is it when they aren't important to the anime they deserve their own article. Isn't that a double standard? --Dman dustin 15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

He may be a COTD in the anime but in the game he's a MAIN character and all his Cross-canon incarnations count as separate characters. It's you who started mixing random characters to this. They have no bearing here. They're a separate issue. And the fact that they possess different Pokémon than in the games doesn't reflect anything. It's about the characters, not their Pokémon. Please leave non-protagonist characters alone, they're a separate issue. And do you realise that the thing about COTDs you mentioned are actually an argument IN FAVOUR of having an article on Jun. You're contradicting yourself. I could use your arguements against you if I wanted it, but I don't feel like doing it. You have weak and newbish reasons. I'm sick of debating with people like you. --Maxim 15:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Like me? Damn if you are so sure you know anything about me, write my biography. And no I wasn't contradicting myself I was making a connection. It's only a contradiction when I'm adamant about Jun not having an article. In fact I have no problem with it, the problem I do have is that while Jun has it's own articles, certain characters don't. And hell if COTD was any indication of anything, it would mean we would have articles about Johanna, Professor Oak because hell they showed up in the anime, don't they deserve their own anime articles. Who cares that they have game information? And again it's all double standards. Oh but I suppose YOU don't have a problem with it.--Dman dustin 15:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I forgot, when I said Jun could be like COTD, I meant that it "should" be on his game page, just like Professor Oak, and Johanna. But again double standards.--Dman dustin 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding to the fire, but, seriously, the answer to the problem is in his name. If his game article is going to be called "Pearl (game)", then "Jun (anime)" should deserve his own page, BECAUSE he's not called Pearl. GLs, the five partners, all direct game references with no name changes don't deserve their own separate page.

HOWEVER. Jun's game name defaults as Pearl. He is not Pearl. He is Jun (and hopefully, in the future, Barry). He should get his own paged based on the fact that he isn't called his default game name, just like Ash isn't called Red and Gary isn't called Green/Blue. Riley will still be Riley, Winona was still Winona. Pearl isn't Jun, and it isn't fair to designate him under Pearl simply because nothing changed about him personally. They'll act the same, but Gary acted the same way as his game C/P all through Kanto, and if this was then, Gary still would have gotten his own page. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 15:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem with Gary or Ash from the anime because it's obvious they are slightly different then their Game counterparts. When we have Jun who is exactly like his game counterpart only his name is different is the problem. Jun looks exactly like Pearl (game) and most likely has the same team (3 of his 6 are). Forget it....... I don't care anymore, have your weird Bulbapedia format, where a game rival is more important than a game/anime article character is related to an anime article character.--Dman dustin 16:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, here's why he's not under Pearl's page.

Because he's not Pearl any more than Gary Oak is Blue. Remember, Gary was as much a jerk as Blue. They even both said "smell ya later" I believe. Gary's team may not be based on Blue's in any games, but so what? What's to say Jun's last three Pokémon aren't something completely random?

He has the same clothes. Great. He has the same team. Great. Gary has the same clothes as Blue in both RGBY and FRLG and he's got a separate article.

The title of the episode is Rival Trainer Jun Appears! not Rival Trainer Pearl Appears!. His name is Jun. Not Pearl. Just like how Kenta, not Gold, and Marina, not Crys, appeared in the Legend of Thunder special. Brendan and Lucas weren't given separate names nor even much of an appearance, but Jun appears in an episode titled after and focusing on him. Jimmy and Marina do the same in LOT, though they didn't exactly name the thing.

Essentially, though, here's what it is: Game protagonists and rivals who appear in the anime get a separate page for their anime iteration if their role is large enough. Silver appeared in the opening for LOT, and nothing else (plus Silver is that old guy who everyone knows thinks is the idiot's dad anyway). Brendan was in the opening segment of three movies, but did little more than send out one Pokémon and order it to use a move. Whoo, give the man a page. No really. He's not notable enough in the anime for his own page. Lucas does even less; he battled only ONCE in a movie opening.

Plus, well, with the exception of May and Dawn, all of the game protagonists and antagonists have different names from their anime counterparts. Satoshi, not Red. Shigeru, not Green. Kenta, not Gold. Marina, not Crys. Jun, not Pearl.

In closing.

CERULEAN CITY →
	Gary was here Ash is a loser!

TTEchidna 20:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, TTE! Anyway, would you mind unblocking the page. There are things I would change. There is no proof that he's from Twinleaf. I would also delete the template. There is no proof that he'll be a recurring rival. I know the page was created pretty early but I'm a bit sick of the fact that Bulbapedia Admins block EVERYTHING lately. The blocked pages are usually the ones I want to edit. It sometimes feels that the admins simply want to use their powers. Please unblock the page, you won't regret it. --Maxim 11:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Eh, it won't be too long, and being that he's based on a main game character... And besides, Gary appeared once every, what, eight thousand episodes? TTEchidna 05:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Image

I found a pic that has him centered, rther than b all the way to the lef. Shouldn't we use that pic?--KukiTalk 18:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, we are changing the image once the episode airs. No need to use the preview images. Jmath 18:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's this pic File:DP101Jun.jpg. Much better, right?--KukiTalk 18:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

No such image exists. No one is supposed to upload images for you anyway. -Sketch 18:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

There was an image that was recently on

That's my pic! and it's PNG!!!!~Ποκεμανιακα0β 18:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it's very good Luc--KukiTalk 18:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

We will have more choice of pics when the episode airs, not now. Jmath 18:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I see..Okay, And I forgot your name Kuki! dang it,~Ποκεμανιακα0β 18:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Kuki's name is Scott--^☆Tavisource 20:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Recurring character

Why is there the Template:animecharacters there? there is no proof yet that he will make a reappearance.~Ποκεμανιακα0β 01:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

In the preview there is :]--デビッド Aipom (Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 17:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Image

What do you guys say in changing the current image in the page with File:Pearlanime.PNG? Jmath 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

The current one is better quality. I oppose the replacement. ^Chocolate 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Changing the format to .png when it's already been a .jpg doesn't do it anything but make it a bigger file size. If you took the screenshot yourself, take it again and save it as a .png the first time. ^Chocolate 21:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I changed the screenshot. Jmath 21:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Jmath's one is of slightly better quality, but really, it's hardly noticeable, even at full size. I don't think it matters which one goes up. --Martonimos 22:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

The current one is also too plain and nothing special. This one at least is more action packed. Jmath 20:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Recurring phrase

He says one thing over and over again in the episode, whenever he runs into Ash and lost the battle to Ash. Not knowing any Japanese, I turn to others out there to ask what it means Aura-Knight 22:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

You mean the "Nandio, Nandio, Nandatendio" or something like that? パチリスの恋人12 01:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

That's the one Aura-Knight 22:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Main

Is he a part of the group, because he's still with Ash and them going to Canalave when he already has the badge, and he's been with them ever since his first appearence. Happizelpom 14:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Probably just another Todd. --Maxim 15:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

oh yeah i fergot about that, haha sorry Happizelpom 15:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Of course.....maybe not...KPF 18:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Page for his Empoleon?

I feel his Empoleon deserves a page. It is his main battling Pokémon, and has been seen in 3 episodes so far. So I think it deserves a page. Dilophosaurus Rex 18:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

So has Aoi's Shinx but it doesn't have a page. --ケンジのガール 05:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not about how many times it appears, it's about how much of a significance the Pokémon is.--^☆Tavisource 05:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

For all we know, this guy'll never appear again. Then again, he could also reveal himself as Kenny's brother and that the Empoleon is actually borrowed from Kenny, meaning the Empoleon could already have an article and we don't even know it. --Shiningpikablu252 05:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

well I doubt anyone thought that Morrison would appear again and he did, plus he seems to be more signifacint than other charecters, but in this discussion I have to say that we'll have to wait until he appears again----Ultamatecharizard 18:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Palmer

when we put palmer there in realtives........Bakunawa 04:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Not yet. It needs to be confirmed in the anime first. Although the character is based on Pearl, not all aspects might be carried across. — THE TROM — 04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Protect?

Before the Heracross mania begins. --Maxim 12:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Anime section

Could someone *cough*an admin*cough* fix the main body of the article to say he did appear in Dp110 and 111? Jmath 11:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Again, why protected?

Because someone can jump with Barry or Damion? Come on! No one will do it. The people here know that unconfirmed information SHALL NOT be posted here. So, I think there is NO REASON to hold this page protected until April. He may reappear 5 times until then. --Maxim 17:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not hurting anything. Yeah, everyone out there wants to jump on and call him Barry but as far as we know, he's not going to have any major apperancesas he's still training on Iron Island. Aura-Knight 17:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

You know that scan had been a fake right? Jmath 17:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

That's why I said claiming and claimed... We know that it's not Aura-Knight 23:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Jun's Pokemons

I'm can to make a page for Jun others pokemons (Roserade,Staraptor and Heracross)? Pokedigo 16:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Just having one for Empoleon is fine. Jmath 16:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay why?

Why is it being protected until April 5th? That's a ridiculously long length. I would understand if you wanted to protect it on March 15 to April 5th, but not now. --ケンジのガール 07:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Jun=Barry

A new episode title hinted that his name is Barry. Quite frankly, I don't know who else it would belong to, so can we unlock this and change it to match the dub title? --Jonouchi 14:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Dude regarding this I have had battles with the admins for half my life here. And however good proofs you may find , even if Satoshi Tjari comes and confirms it they will always say "Wait till it airs". --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 14:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Its better to be consistent. If they make an exception just for this one, every other page has to get this treatment, meaning total breakdown. J-J-M 15:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Cant imagine TTE and specially DETH allowing it. --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 15:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Didn't Morrison get this treatment as well? --Jonouchi 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Wasnt here then. --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

OMG, that's one of the examples of when the "Until it airs" policy fails. The admins believed the episode title, yet they don't believe that the character would be named Barry? Come on, that's just RIDICULOUS! --Maxim 16:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

It should be verified by the title, though...--Mew a.k.a. Prmatt11 at 12:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Maxim, you have to live with it, even though it's obvious, we still have to wait.--FF(edits•talk) 12:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

But this is IRRATIONAL. As irrational as standing in for admins' stupid decisions... That simply makes no sense and it's pathetic. --Maxim 13:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

That's the rules.--FF(edits•talk) 13:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Every rule has an exception, which clinche it. --Maxim 16:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that at this point, it seems ridiculous to protect the article until dub airing. "Barry" is in the title, no other character in the episode could possibly be named "Barry" and going by the list of default game names "Barry" is the English equivalent of "Jun". I mean... I'd say that if we try running it by the Duck test, it's pretty conclusive what Jun's English name is. --Sato 05:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I'd like to change it too. But if we did, then we'd have to do it for everyone. Besides, it won't kill you to wait a couple of weeks. --ケンジのガール 06:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I hate Bulbapedia's "wait until it airs" rule...that's the reason why I don't depend on this site anymore...it's not updated...and I'm pretty sure many people feel the same.--^☆Tavisource 06:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't, the rule to me is pretty simple. Now run along children we got nine days before DP101 airs.--FF(edits•talk) 06:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

What if the episode airs and the title happens to be different? What if Jun isn't Barry? You have to look at it that way. Need I remind you of Samantha and Audrey? Technically we are updated with the confirmed information. If you don't like it, join the Bulbanews and post it there or request that they post it. They have no restrictions. See that's the problem, people treat Bulbapedia like a news site such as Serebii. It's not. That's what Bulbanews is for. However, it is kind of hypocritical that we submit new titles of episodes before airing but not this... Maybe something should be changed. --ケンジのガール 06:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS RULE. Lets vote. --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 09:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

No.--FF(edits•talk) 11:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I do not agree with the opinion that if we moved Barry, we would have to do it for everyone. "Everyone" does not have an officially confirmed name (through a title). Barry has. Come on, the title REVEALED this name. If we believed that the title is real, then why do we refuse to believe that the name is real? Moving the page WOULD NOT be a big breakage of the Bulbapedia's Policies, as there actually IS an evidence that the name is real. That "What if the episode title happens to be different?" is completely bullshit. At this logic, we should not believe in any leaked titles. At this logic, Bulbapedia SHOULD NOT allow putting episode titles in the articles before the airing. But it does. Hypocrisy much? --Maxim 15:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Logical fallacy. You don't have to move an article for the English title. Dub names for characters do require that, though. TTEchidna 17:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Jun's Piplup

I may be incorrect, but I've heard that in the recent episode Jun mentioned that he started with/has had a Piplup. Shouldn't his Pokémon list be updated accordingly? Watchermark 23:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Proof? --ケンジのガール 03:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)