Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)/Archive 1

Error?

"Giratina is the second dual-type Pokémon that has weaknesses to both of its own types. The other one is Nincada." "The other one is Nincada" - This is incorrect because Nincada is not weak to Bug or Ground. Which Pokemon is actually waek to both of its types? Tesh 18:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

None that I know of. The only types that are weak to themselves are ghost and dragon. I can't think of another combination with the same effect. --ElectAbuzzzz 18:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe somebody did just make an error... I might as well remove it then. Tesh 18:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

If anything, I'd've thought it'd be Shedinja. Remember, to be weak to both of your own types means that one of the types could be weak to itself and the other type. The question is... what Pokémon could be weak to both of its own types? It doesn't seem like any of them could be. I mean, technically, Sableye and Spiritomb are weak to both Dark and Ghost on their Ghost-type, but their Dark-type covers both. So yeah, you're right. Until we get another Ghost/Dragon (which I hope is soon), we're not gonna have any Pokémon weak to their type twice. T T Echidna 05:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm hoping to see a Psychic/Dark or Psychic/Ghost type Pokémon... think about it... Tesh 21:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I know this dosen't fit with previous topics, but i'm worried there might be an error in my game. Is giratina supposed to dissapear if you make it faint?

... uh, yeah. That's what the legendaries do. If you take them out, you just blew your chance and you'd better not have saved. --Pie ^~♪♫ 15:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Devil?

How is giratina the devil of poke'mon? It just lives on an opposite side of the world. Plus I don't think the developers are aware of the body part thing. It is also irrelevant to the subject.--arceus fan File:ArceusDP.png 21:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. If no one objects, I will take it out now.--Dual 06:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Whoever changed it back, don't do it again. Giratina is NOT the Devil Pokemon. Get over it. --Dual 17:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Giratina lives in am alternate dimension within the same universe (wierd, right?).--SorakuFett 22:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Fourth lake of Sinnoh

Can we be so sure that Giratina is really part of the Dragon trio? It makes sense if you think everything through, but I find it interesting that Giratina is found in a cave near the "fourth lake of Sinnoh". Can it be assumed that Giratina has some association with the Lake trio, or is that simply too much of a stretch? // SzayelAporroGranzFile:Ani282MS.gif 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Arceus created Dialga/Palkia and the lake trio. It's not hard to see the link there. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

also they all have equal base stats just in a different order and the footprints all resemble crowns and it stars in a game along with them and they all rule over different universal planes time, space, and the reverse world but the reverse world could be a reality made by palkia so until they give the official word nobody knows

H/W eight

The Height and Weight of Giratina's two forms are different. Should we place both of the weights and heights in the article (or in List of Articles by Weight or List of Articles by Height)?^Poke Maniac₁₀₂ 18:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I think we should put somthing in like this,

Origin Form Height: Blah
Another Form Height: Blah
Origin Form Weight: Blah
Another Form Weight: Blah

(of course replacing blahs with data)(i don't know how to do it)Arceausams 00:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Opal trademark

I know we've had this conversation already on the Gold/Silver remakes talk page, but does anyone KNOW for certain that Nintendo trademarked the name Pokémon Opal? As far as I know, nobody's had any luck confirming the DuskGold/DawnSilver trademarks, so how do we know this one is for real, too? --Martonimos 07:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

http://www.pokemonopal.com proves this pretty well. TTEchidna Fire echy 07:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Definitely hard to argue with that. Thanks. Martonimos 23:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't someone have just bought the domain name and have it redirect to Nintendo?--Ocean2292 22:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

According to serbii, it is Pokémon PLatium, and Grantia is the Verson Mascot, I don't like where this is going, can someone block the pages: GRantinia, SHaymin, Regigiggas, Verson Mascot and anything to do with this Pokémon Platium thing, I don't want false rumors Spreading. I guess I'll put a link: http://serebii.net/index2.shtml --Quick Man 14:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Platinum? That's a surprise, since that has nohing to do with a Diamond or a Pearl. Then again, Crystal didn't match Gold and silver, so... - Cassius335 14:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Platinum actually does make some sense, though. Platinum in Japanese can be プラティナム puratinamu, or more commonly, プラチナ purachina (keep in mind chi and ti are essentially interchangeable, at least prounounciation/romanization wise). Now, both words contain ratina, just like ギラティナ Giratina. Puratinamu/Puratina, Giratina... Makes sense to me, anyway. Maybe even more than girasol. Either way, though, Platinum is just a rumor for now. The only problem is that http://www.pokemonplatinum.com doesn't ridirect to Nintendo like http://www.pokemonopal.com does, although I'm sure that will change if the rumors are true. We'll see what happens in the next CoroCoro... Homerowed 05:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

!protectnao

Okay, with this unconfirmed Pokémon Platinum b/s being added to the page (Along with random "e"s added to everything), I request protection. Else, I'll have to be adding my own fake stuff such as Lisae Franke Forme and the like. *runs* Tina^☆♫ 17:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The "random "e"s" are being added because that's how the Official stuff for the 11th movie names the forms of Giratina; if they use "Origine" and "Forme", that's because it's supposed to be like that and we're not to question it. Otherwise we would use "Tears for Fears" instead of "Tears For Fears!", for example. - D-Wheel 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

See it? ORIGINE FORME, ANOTHER FORME. - D-Wheel 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, yeah. This is getting out of hand. Protect. Tina^☆♫ 17:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Protected, but the main reason actually WASN'T the excess E's. It was some bull**** unconfirmed report about a tie-in of its name to platnium based on unconfirmed rumors of the third to Diamond and Pearl being a Platnium (the chances of that being true are slim to none). --Shiningpikablu252 18:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Darling, they're all possibilities! I bet you weren't there when the name was conceived. - D-Wheel 18:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I just hope they don't keep those stupid E's in English. Otherwise we'll have Deoxys Normale Forme, Attacke Forme, Defence Forme, and Speede Forme. Yes, Defence with a C. TTEchidna 02:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't make me start the "sitting on Defence" jokes. - Cassius335 12:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh? You have a problem with English spelling TTE? Glinn Mgraw

Yeah, we really have to get rid of the extra e's. This is english after all. Noname

Respectful disagreement. The Platinum website uses "forme" as well, although it's reverted to "origin". Surely you've seen places that jokingly spell their names "ye olde shoppe," or something similar. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 21:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But we don't know if NOA will go for the fake-Medieval feel. Until we get English confirmation, we should follow the precedent of Deoxys and use modern English. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 21:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

All right, that makes sense. But I think we should definitely at least mention the 'Forme' stuff in the trivia sections of this page and others it's relevant to. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 21:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Didn't anyone notice that this magazine used Shaymin's U.S. name in it? Wonder why... --☆ケンジガール 07:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to understand why people are having such a hard time accepting an official spelling. If the English game gets rid of the "ye olde" then we'll get rid of it then, but by "proper English" rationale we should be calling them "crabby" and "dugong". It's a stylized spelling like any Pokémon name.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid there doesn't seem to be any solving this civilly or simply through discussion. Therefore, I grudgingly ~~announce~~ propose a poll. That's right, a poll. I'm not going to really get into this aside from offering my opinion, and of course voting, but this seems to be a popular topic for discussion, so this page should see a lot of action in the next few hours/days. I'll add the poll momentarily to the bottom of the page. --ニョロトノ 666 01:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh boy. Check Deoxys on the official American Pokedex: http://www.pokemon.com/Pokedex/flash.asp I'm afraid that That solves the question. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 01:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Good. There we go, folks. Discussion closed. Now, could somebody please protect this? I see no reason to encourage certain users by allowing them to continue ignoring the facts. --ニョロトノ 666 01:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Shoot. That means we have to go around and edit all the Deoxys stuff so it says "forme," too. --ニョロトノ 666 01:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Does Uraptu work for Pokemon.com or something? Unless Deoxys is somehow involved in movie 11, I see no reason why they've done that. - Cassius335 10:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

My guess is because two common words like "Another" and "Form" are difficult to trademark together. It's why Hasbro released a toy called "Battle Ravage," because it was too hard to get a trademark on just Ravage, since it's such a common word. So "Another Forme," "Sky Forme," and "Defense Forme" are easier to trademark than they would be if they were spelled correctly. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 19:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

So "Deoxys Normal Form" would be harder to trademark than "Deoxys Normal Forme"? "Deoxys" itself aint exactly a dictionary word.

Besides, wouldn't those four already be trademarked by now? - Cassius335 21:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe, maybe not. Like I said, it was only a guess. But "Deoxys" almost certainly wouldn't be part of the trademark. The bulbanews article mentioned that "Land form" and "Sky form" (or, as it now almost surely is, "Land Forme" and "Sky Forme") were trademarked without any Pokémon name, which is why we have to guess as to who it is. Origin and Another Formes were similarly free-floating trademarks, without "Giratina" anywhere in the title.

ANYWAY, it doesn't matter now. The E is in officially. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 22:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Quick thought: Has anybody checked the Japanese site's Pokedex lately? I wonder if the Japnese names for Deoxys's forms have changed as well... - Cassius335 00:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Er, there's no English on the Japanese Pokédex.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I think he was asking about the Japanese names themselves. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 01:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

...oh. He actually says that outright. Ahahaha. They use the obvious katakana spellings of "Normal," "Attack," "Defense," and "Speed," and the same katakana for "form(e)" as Giratina's (フォルム forumu).--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

So if that's their version, what's everyone else using as "form" (Burmy etc)? - Cassius335 10:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there a specific reason why "Forme" was just recently changed to "Form"? I was under the impression that the former was the official spelling. Marlowe 23:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Name Origin

To Cassius335: How the hell did you get Guillotine,Giraffe from Giratina?? Girasol and platina are the only words to make Giratina. Force Fire 11:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

THANK YOU FORCE FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know, if it was based on that word, then it should learn the move...Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links11:45 16 May 2008

I think we have a clear verdict here.Pokémon Master 19:47 16 May 2008

Hmm, Guillotine, Giratina. Guira~~llo~~tinea. Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links11:50 16 May 2008

Hmmmmm. I do see how guillotine is part of the name, But why giraffe? Force Fire 11:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

But why would Game Freak go through so much trouble of breaking down Guillotine and adding an 'a' to the end when the mascots of Diamond and Pearl are derived from there respective jewel, so obviously they would do similar with the third mascot hence Girasol and Platinum being in Giratina's name.Pokémon Master 20:04 16 May 2008

Yes, we get the idea, I agree, You agree, everyone agrees, Damnit! Force Fire 12:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

OK!I'm just making a point so that Cassius335 sees that he or she doesn't have to be perfect and that people get it wrong sometimes.Pokémon Master 20:09 16 May 2008

Girasol (hence the 'gira' part) + Platina (hence the 'tina' part) = Giratina!

And do sign off, ~~b@$+@rd~~...Tina could be also an origin, according to you. Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links11:54 16 May 2008

Sorry I forget sometimes.Pokémon Master 19:56 16 May 2008

You attacked me personally. Now tell me, who's better at wikicode? TTE! Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links12:11 16 May 2008

You two knock it off! That is not the reason Bulbapedia is here for. Force Fire 12:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

No Comment.Big Johnno 20:16 16 May 2008

So it's named after a Jewel and a Metal? I'm leaning more towards Giraffe, myself (look at the shape of Another Form).

And frankly "Don't argue with me because I just figured it out" did not inspire confidence. Bulbapedia needs facts, not opinions.

Best to leave the four as was until someone an actually provide a proper source. - Cassius335 11:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think this should be Protected due to the edits....... Force Fire 09:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Next person to revert will be shot. Stop it, and we'll have a discussion here about it. Personally I agree with Big Johnno, Giraffe has no place there. Glinn Mgraw 10:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh? Where are the Girasols,then? All I'm asking for is something to back-up what otherwise is just Big Johnno's opinion, not a fact. - Cassius335 21:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Girasol and Platina Force Fire 23:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

OBVIOUSLY GIRATINA'S NAME ORIGIN IS FROM ME AND GIRASOL, BECAUSE I'M AWESOME.

...I'm sorry. I needed to say something. Tina^☆♫ 23:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Did anyone force you to? --Force Fire 23:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

She meant it as a way of need to acknowledge herself in the discussion•P M 102 23:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Well yeah and my inner troll told me to do so anyway. lol. Besides. It was asking for it. Tina^☆♫ 23:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Dang you must be ugly•P M 102 23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Girasol doesn't seem to fit. It did when we thought DPv3 would be called Opal, but now that it's being called Platinum, I doubt it. Giraffe is just way out of left field. The last time I checked, giraffes didn't have monstrous claws running up and down their necks. Guillotine... maybe, since Giratina seems to be associated with death. But like Optimus35 said, why doesn't it learn the move, then?

Also: Why hasn't this been protected yet? --Martonimos_((Talk)) 23:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Girasol...... --Force Fire 07:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Guillotine also would not fit, unless you are grasping at straws. Glinn Mgraw 08:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

If you're speaking in strict phonetic terms, then no. Although there is the whole R vs. L thing in Japanese... anyway, I'm thinking more along the lines of fitting thematically. Girasol doesn't work, unless they were planning to call it Opal and changed it to Platinum at the last minute to throw off everyone who had figured it out (doubtful if the -tina part really comes from Platina). And Guillotine does fit sort of, but not quite as well as I'd like. Anyway, I do think Big Johnno's ideas for this have more grounding than Cassius's. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 08:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Big Johnno doesn't have any grounding. He just gave us his opinion with nothing to back it up. - Cassius335

Ooo girare actually suits Giratina pretty good I mean like theres that saying the dead wander the earth forever or something simliar and Giratina is an undead Pokémon

Glinn Mgraw said leave it alone--Force Fire 10:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

That means YOU too Big Johnno... Force Fire 10:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but he's saying "leave it alone" after siding with Big Johnno and eliminating two. I say leave all possibilities in play until we can eliminate them with facts. "Girare" is an interesting one though. - Cassius335 11:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Pulling this out of the text wall...

"Giraffe is just way out of left field. The last time I checked, giraffes didn't have monstrous claws running up and down their necks. Guillotine... maybe, since Giratina seems to be associated with death. But like Optimus35 said, why doesn't it learn the move, then?"

Giraffe's aren't supposed to have a second face on their tails either, and yet we have Girafarig. As for why Giratina doesn't learn Guillotine... no idea. Maybe the Japanese didn't make the connection. - Cassius335 11:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's because Giratina doesn't come from Guillotine? SHOCK HORROR. Glinn Mgraw 11:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Giratina phonetically is (roughly) Gir-ah-teen-ah. Knock off the second 'ah' and what do you get?

Not saying anything for definite though. - Cassius335 11:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Mind if I jump in here? No? Tough. Cassius dude, tell me something, because I'm totally confused here - how the hell does Giratina resemble, or even RELATE to, a freaking guillotine?! Or a giraffe?! It's blatantly obvious to even the dumbest of people that Giratina comes from girasol and platina. Go and pick on some other Pokémon. Cipher 13:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Try reading the page once in a while. As has already been pointed out, Girasol doesn't work any more (some people can't accept that the third game is not Pokémon Opal). Giraffe (I'm guessing) is because Giratina's a four-legged long necked creature (ok, six-legged, but still...). Guillotine as I mentioned in the post above yours is a phonetic soundalike.

Neither of these are my theories, I'm just trying to stop people from jumping to conclusions without a shred of proof. Which, last I checked, we're not supposed to do. - Cassius335 16:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yet you're doing the same thing. These ideas may not be yours, but your constantly re-adding them is the same as what Big Johnno's doing. I suggest we just put down all the ideas we've had so far and figure this out without an edit war going on. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 21:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Um... he's taking way, I'm restoring them. That's not quite the same thing.

And what's currently on the page is all of the idea's so far. That was kind of the point. - Cassius335 21:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Aren't all name origins of Pokémon speculation and opinion? As far as I know, Nintendo has never came out and said, "This is where we got the name." And, while most are obvious, some are not. Just look at that section on Corphish. It's highly doubtful that its name comes from an obscure fishing term from the 1600s, but it's still mentioned on the page. I see no harm in keeping all possibilities, no matter how unlikely. Zurqoxn 22:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

You must draw a line in the sand at some point. Glinn Mgraw 07:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Did anyone mention girasol or something like that? Because it says girasol along with what you guys said earlier. Oh, and by the way? DEFINITELY NOT GIRAFFE. I'm sorry, it just doesn't make any sense at all. Really, it doesn't. Really. Zander 06:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Umm... Is it possible that the first part, Gira, could be from Garnet? Because Garnets are red gems. There are red cones on Giratina. Gira, remove the I and move the letters. Gar. Garnet. It was just an idea really. Maybe people might consider it? --Ultra 03:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think they'd go and randomly change "gar" to "gira." That's like saying the words "crap" and "car" are related.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but it's more likely than Giraffe, isn't it? Wait... Is it? Huh... I just googled Girasol... Yeah. That's actually pretty more likely than Garnet. But still, Giraffe?!?--Ultra 18:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Origin Forme Picture

Wouldn't it make more sense to have Giratina's origin forme art from Platinum, then the art from the anime?

Deoxys uses all of his Sugimori art on his page, and none of the other Pokémon have their anime art on their pages (besides screenshots).

So why was the other art gotten rid of from the page? Pokemega32 19:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

There's no point having two pictures of the same thing. --Force Fire 23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

He was asking why we got rid of the Sugimori art and kept the anime art instead of the other way around, not why we didn't keep both. At any rate, I changed it after seeing his comment, so now we have the Sugimori art alone. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 23:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

where did we get the shiny origine sprite? OrigamiGuy-Talk-Contribs-Mudkipz 17:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone recoloured the normal sprite. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 17:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

and so it'll be changed again when the official sprite is released i presume. OrigamiGuy-Talk-Contribs-Mudkipz 17:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

If there's any real difference. Origin Forme Giratina has the same colors as Another Forme Giratina, so why would the shiny ones differ? It's the same as Deoxys. TTEchidna 07:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Because the real-deal is always superior in quality to the recolor.--Xparasite9 03:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Protection request

A lot of people have making changes and undoing changes. I say we protect it for a while. --☆ケンジガール 20:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

You freakin want everything protected. But for this article, yea, me too•Poke maniac102 21:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Shiny is near-perfect negative?

The article says that the shiny sprite is a near-perfect negative of the normal sprite. I ask you, does the following look like the statement is true? the only thing that matches up are the red (blue) bands and wing-horns.
Shiny Giratina is not a negative--Xparasite9 03:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I think what was really meant was "nearly opposite in color", regular has gold, shiny has silver, regular has silver, shiny has gold, regular has red, shiny has blue. TTEchidna 05:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Lack of Land/Lowered Level

the lowered level seems to make sense because of the fact that he had just entered the dimension, which would theoretically weaken him. the lack of land seems to be either giratina floating in the air, a reflection of the fact that there is no land in the reverse world, or that he is still in the teleportation rift.

Arutoa 21:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Tutor Moves

is there a platinum standard template that could be used for Giratina's tutored move, Draco Meteor? meman140 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes. TTEchidna 05:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Done and done. TTEchidna 06:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. meman140 00:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Art in the infobox

I know with Deoxys we do the "standard forme" thing... but we have Wormadam with all three of her coats, same with Burmy, and Shellos and Gastrodon in both West and East Sea variations. I know that's how the Sugimori art came, but why the heck not combine the images into one, then put it in the infobox? TTEchidna 17:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Sprites

Doesn't Giratina have 3 Platinum sprites? 2 Origin and 1 Another. How will you place that? tc26 23:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The game isn't even out yet!~Pokemaniac102 23:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Screenshots!! tc26 23:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I know but we're still thinking!~Pokemaniac102 23:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

And they may be more~Pokemaniac102 23:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Well most likely there's only 1 Another and 1 Origin for Platinum, The Platinum Origin is likely a moving image~Pokemaniac102 23:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The new shiny sprite is all wrong. One of its eyes is still red, and the body color wasn't even changed. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 05:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the recloration. I be someone would come along and fix it eventually if I don't have the time to. There is 1 another and 1 origin in platinum but 1 orign and 2 another in DP AND Platinum.--Tavis ource 05:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh! and, tc26, could you help buy making a transparent background for Giratina Origine forme? I have no idea how to do it. Thanks and sorry if I troubled you.--Tavis ource 05:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, later. i'm doing some things right now. I'll just make a new one since that one has several errors in coloring.tc26 06:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that it have to take the three sprites of Platinum, as the sprites of Deoxys in D/P --Nick. 19:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind about the transparent background. I managed to do that this morning. But we still need to fix the shiny sprite.--Tavis ource 21:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I already fixed it only the eye is a problem--CoolPikachu! 21:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you serious? The forehead was silver. Some parts were red! The other eye was red! The shading wasn't exactly right. I uploaded my own now.tc26 11:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Where would this go in the sprite box? This is his older form in Platinum. ~Toastypk - ^Loom. 18:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey! That's what I asked yesterday! But apparently, they don't have table for both formes yet.--Tavis ource 21:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Let me try to add tables for both forms--CoolPikachu! 22:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Are we sure that's just not a new second frame of animation for the sprite? All D/P sprites have two, but only the static image is used. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 22:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I tried adding the tables, but it wouldn't work. You'll have to make a new template for it. Try asking Shinigpikablu for help. He'll know what to do.--Tavis ource 23:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Origin Shiny

Isn't that Shiny Origin Forme sprite a fan-colored estimation? Can someone rip and upload the ACTUAL Origin Forme Shiny Sprite, as there will certainly be some colour differences? I see Shiny Rotom Forms are already uploaded, so Shiny Origin Giratina wouldn't be a problem, would it? --Maxim 18:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The official sprite is there now. ~m190049 23:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Pokédex

Well, I got the Platinum Pokédex entry, but I don't know how to read Hiragana:

あぱれものゆえおいだされたがわぶれたせかいといねれるばしょでしずかにもとのせかいをみていた.

So anyone can translate it? hfc 2X 04:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

No one is on Bulbapdia at this moment...and the above sentece probably has an error, for it doesn't make any sense.--☆Tavis ource 04:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

It says something like, "Oh, Paremono Oidasa is just why I am not Bureta seka nereru." And then something about chanigng into origine form when...something...something.--☆Tavis ource 04:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

No. I'm sure it doesn't have any errors. But anyways... I think it's better to wait till we have an official translation... hfc 2X 04:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay no thanks Babelfish. And no thanks typos on that Japanese right there. ("あばれものゆえおいだされたがやぶれたせかいといわれるばしょでしずかにもとのせかいをみていた。")

Anyway, here's what I was able to come up with. I'd like someone to check it first because I feel a bit iffy about it, but, uh...who reads Japanese here besides me? Zhen? And waiting for the official translation is wise...anyway, the translation. "Because of its violent behavior, it was driven out into the Torn World, from where it silently gazes upon our world."--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

If we're to use the Japanese translations we should make sure we can tell they're just translations and not the official US text when Pt comes out here. Put a Ja in there. TTEchidna 05:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I heard the translation was "Although it is banished for being a tyrannian creature, it quietly watches our world from a place called the Torn World." ~m190049 23:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Just wait until the game comes out. Online Japanese translators are so full of mistakes. Ask the M3 translation. Midnight Celtic 23:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

It's translating from Japanese text. Obviously wording is going to differ between translations, m190049.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I used the Google translator and got "OIDASA PAREMONO is why I was NERERU BURETA place in the world and is based in the world peacefully and was expected." --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 21:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Never trust a Google Translator... At least, when translating more than a single word. ~m190049^~talk 20:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Capture video

It comes in from the top in that video... do they all do that, or just Giratina? TTEchidna 05:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Not only that... the player gets teleported to Turnback Cave after battling Giratina. I wonder what's inside there this time? hfc 2X 05:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

A portal back to the Torn World. However only a small area is available. In there is the Platinum Orb, and literally nothing else.~m190049 23:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

So can you ever go back to the Torn World afterward? TTEchidna 01:14, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

You can never go back to the giant maze area you went through when you first entered the torn world from the events at the Spear Pillar. However, from Turnback Cave, you can go back to that smaller area, where the Platinum Orb is. After you get that... There is nothing else there. ~m190049^~talk 21:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Huh? But the place where the Platinum orb is looks like the area just before battling Giratina, plus an item ball. Is it really just that small area and nothing else? Poo. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 22:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

In that case, imma gonna explore that place fully before exiting!

And think how much a Walk Through Walls code would screw up in the torn world with all those sideways platforms and stuff...Lord of Ori gami 12:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Behavior

Shouldn't we add Giratina is apparently very violent in behavior and protective of its home?Shadow1337 23:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

The Pokédex in Platinum describes Giratina with a word to the effect of "violent" or "tyrannical", so I'd say yes.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it attacked Dialgia cause of the pollution. User:ArceusEX

Animated sprite?

Well, I don't remember where, but... Is it ok if we update the sprites? I mean because someone said that Crystal and Emerald have their own set of animated sprites, and PNG animations doesn't look bad:
File:MGiratina.png
hfc 2X 04:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Origin Forme trigger

I says Ruined world but wouldn't Platinum orb be better since you almost never get to go to the Ruined world after you catch it.--MisterE13 15:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

What? That doesn't make sense to me... R.A. Hunter B. 18:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that, yes, when you first go to the ruined world, Giratina is in the Origin Forme but, after that, you can only go back to a small portion of said world and find the Pltinum Orb which allows Giratina to go Origin in the normal world to. Currently, the evobox says that the "evolution" trigger is Pokémon world (Another) and Ruined world (Origin) since that's really just during the event, I think it should say Platinum orb or both but am asking for opinions.--MisterE13 04:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Giratina=Palkia+Dialga

You should notice that Giratina is the pokemon of dimensions. Dialga and Plakia are the pokemon of time and space. Dimesions are made up of time and space, so wouldn't that make Giratina have as much power over the universe as Plkia and Dialga combined?--SorakuFett 22:53, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Who said Giratina is the "Pokémon of dimensions"?--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Legendary_Pokémon#Legendary_dragons. I disagree, but it's there. hfc 2X 23:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Your logic is not flawed, but I think its just worded wierd on that page. Not neccesarily dimensionsDCM_{((Shut the **** up}_{Spy on My Edits))}

Okay, what I meant was, "who officially said Giratina is the Pokémon of dimensions?" I'm not going to trust a page we made on good faith.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 19:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

No one will ever say that, because it's ridiculous. Only a 10 year old noob cannot understand that Time and Space are Dimensions. hfc 2X 14:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Each demension has it's own time and it's own specific characteristics. Even if it was a mirror dimension, they are different: attitudes of beings, the way things work (government, physics, mechanics), and even Nature itself could be different. R.A. Hunter B. 21:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hades

I noticed something, wouldn't Giratina be similar to the greek god Hades? After all, he is basically the pokemon lord of the dead, guards a world in which no one wants to go, and possibly has something against the other rulers of reality.--[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] ''([[User talk:Hades666|tAlk]])'' 14:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Wait, what? Hades doesn't have anything against anybody. Unless you're talking about the Disney movie that enraged the nation of Greece with its monstrous inaccuracy?--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 14:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually Hades was against Zeus, but so were half of the other Gods...DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪}_{Spy on My Edits))} 14:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Giratina is the lord of the dead? Really? Source, por favor. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 15:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Two things 1.Giratina is most likely lord of the dead due to being the only ghost type legendary and residing in a cave filled with ghosts or a spiritual dimension 2. Hades hated the other greek gods because while they got Mt. Olympous with its huge palace and lavish furnishings, while Hades had to spend almost all of his time in the dark, dank, underworld.Hades666 16:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

You just aren't convincing me that Giratina's the lord of the dead. So he live in a different world. So what? The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 16:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Alright, so I'm not convincing you. Well that's okay, he doesn't have to be, he just has to be similar enough to at least seem based off of Hades.Hades666 17:31, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, still not convincing. (1) Hades indiscriminately hating all the other gods was something made up for the Disney movie. DCM is closer to correct, but that's because in the myths Zeus is...well, an overbearing asshole. (2) A warped and completely empty world ≠ world of the dead.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Comparing Giratina to Hades is an opinion. Opinions are not fact. -Sketch 23:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh and comparing him to a basilisk isn't?! Oh and, by the way, although the disney movie did exagerate Hades's dislike of the other gods, he does dislike them in the actual greek myths, purely because they forced him to stay in the underworld.Hades666 02:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but they all hate each other. Poseiden hates Athena, The Goddess of Earth Hates hades.......i could go onDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪}_{Spy on My Edits))}

Where is there anything about Giratina hating Palkia, Dialga, and the others? It only attacked Dialga because of the pollution that had entered the other dimension because of the fight between the two Dragons. And in the next movie, Giratina is going to be fighting both of them out of anger, not hate. What would you do if somebody was destroying your world? Sit there? R.A. Hunter B. 18:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I tried.Hades666 13:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying you didn't but we can only put things in that everyone agrees with. Otherwise, some people would put things like "Mew is similar to Kirby because they're both pink", "Snorlax is like *insert celebrity's name here* dog, because they're both fat", stuff like that. Sorry if I came across harder than I meant to. R.A. Hunter B. 20:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

By the way, in response to that "what would I do?" rhetorical question, no, I wouldn't sit there, I would get in between them and tell them "STOP FIGHTING OR I WILL BEAT THE $#!% OUT OF YOU!".Hades666 17:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Fun. They wouldn't listen to you, and this is for the forums. If you really care enough, take it there, because I'm finished with this. R.A. Hunter B. 19:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Origin

As i knew Giratina has been originate in our Bakunawa why did you edit it why --Bakunawa 07:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Backbone

Giratina,How he appeared in Pokémon Platinum.His Orgin form is his true form.Because he changed when he enter the Pokémon World.He begane to changed to Altered form.Thats what I think.Dawn's No.1 Fan, 17:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Eh? Origin forme could be his real one, could not be. I dont think thats a confirmation.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪}_{Spy on My Edits))}

My impression of the name "origin forme" meant that it was the 'natural' style, as opposed to the "altered forme." But that's just the English translation, I don't know the spirit of the Japanese... -- evkl _{(need to talk?)} 17:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

And of course I am assuming that Origin Forme can be used outside of the Distorted world, meaning it can take both formes.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪}_{Spy on My Edits))} 18:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

"Spirit" of the Japanese? What do you mean? Just in case you mean the original Japanese names, they're the English words "origin" and "another."--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

One-of-a-kind

According to this page, Giratina is one-of-a-kind, and Dialga and Palkia aren't? Any inconsistencies?Hades666 15:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

This just needs fixing, as Dialga and Palkia are too. hfc 2X 18:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

But there are two dialgas. Normal dialga and the formerly primal dialga.--Starlight_the_ampharos 02:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Primal Dialga is what the Dialga of now would turn out to be if nothing was done about the collapsing Time Tower. They're the same being, just different time frames. R.A. Hunter B. 04:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

It's colors

In the article,should it be stated that the main colors on the shiny version are Blue(Crystal),Gold and Silver? Lovely Rose 02:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I know what you're asking about, but we already decided for the GSDS page not to put anything about that. R.A. Hunter B. 05:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Reason behind form change

I just added that the change in form happens because of a change in gravitational intensity.(look at the Distortion World!) I got this information from Pokémon.com's official Website for Giratina and the Sky Warrior.

this actually will draw more speculation to the subject, like there might be more giratina formes since as seen in the pokémon world to have alot of dimensions, another speculation might be that girarina might change forme on the moon(I know its stupid and somewhat of speculation). But add thee gravitational intensity piece of information its really important.--Nobody777 14:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Why would Giratina, much less Ash and friends, go to the moon? R.A. Hunter B. 21:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

read the mossdeep space centre, obviously nintendo wanted to launch the players into the final frontier--Nobody777 12:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

OR they obviously used the Space Centre for the Japanese games so players could get Jirachi, and then they took it out of the translated games.- unsigned comment from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade (talk • contribs)

Except they didn't, Hunter Blade. And, uh, Nobody777...please stop speculating. (geez, I thought you were just being hypothetical to give another example of a difference in gravity, but...god.)--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

look at other articles of legendary Pokémon, they all got speculation, some of them are logical and the rest are not so if you're complaining about that go on, dont really care, and that is not speculation its simple logic about gravity differences.--Nobody777 10:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... first time forgetting to sign. Oh well. And for what you said Urutapu, I've been so out of sync this week. I have no clue why the heck I said that. R.A. Hunter B. 04:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not shooting down your gravity theory, I'm shooting down your insinuation that the gang would actually go to the moon.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I forget what exactly the closest thing to going to space for them was, but I think the most connection they've had is with Deoxys, Jirachi, and then Proff. Cosmo and his meteorite. R.A. Hunter B. 17:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Dub pronounciation

CN pronounced Giratina as Jeer-i-teena so is it that or Gihr-i-teena Happi zel pom 15:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

It depends. There are many differences between the dub and games like the Stadium, Colossum & XD, and Battle Revolution for the pronounciation of names. What is it in PBR? R.A. Hunter B. 01:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

The second one. The one that starts with a G. --^Psychic _Rider^☮ 01:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, we have to wait to see what they say in the movie. It'll probably be the first one like the CN announcer says. R.A. Hunter B. 01:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

In the trailer I think they said "Gee-rah-tee-na" (which is how I say it). That is how they say is in PBR. The commercial says it "Jee-rah-tee-nah", though. I guess we have to wait 'till the movie comes out! Yin Yang 02:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I saw the commercial again last night, and they revoiced it using the normal announcer this time. He pronounced it like PBR and in the trailer. R.A. Hunter B. 23:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

The movie came on American TV today. It's Gi-rah-tee-nah. Not Jee-rah-tee-nah. Although the announcers say it both ways.Kiryu 06:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Though its a little hard deciding if its pronounced "Geeratina", like how you say "eel", the animal. I pronounce it literally "Gyratina", like how you say "I", as in "I am". How do you exactly pronounce it? Geeratina or Gyratina?--DRAGON BEAST ^X 06:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

It should be "Geeratina" according to the katakana.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the movie and PBR say "Gee-rah-tee-nah". Yin Yang 23:05, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I say it both "Gee" and "Gy", so... It depends on opinion though, because there have been some instances where the dubbed movies AND games pronounce it differently than manuals, manga, and how the season dubs pronounce it. R.A. Hunter B. 18:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, ok. I see what you mean. I even sometimes call Dialga "Dai-ahl-ga" instead of "Dee-ahl-ga"... Yin Yang 18:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Powerful Forme?

In the Walmart flyer it says that the origin forme is called "powerful forme". Is this something for the trivia or what? Rucario 64 20:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure GameStop calls it "Original", too. People seem to be...getting this screwed up.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, the mistakes are here in America. What else would you expect? And no, I don't think it should be noted. R.A. Hunter B. 02:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Movesets...

If they're not different, then how come we have different sections for them? We may as well put all the Unown and Rotom forms up there... ^ht 14 02:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean? Like on the moves' pages (where we have a seperate box for both formes) even though they both learn it at the same level?--Mister E 13 22:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

They aren't different, and there aren't different sections for the movesets. R.A. Hunter B. 22:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Rebattleing Giratina

According to several accounts and this video, Giratina can be rebattled in Turnback Cave if it is KO'd in the Distortion World. I am going to add this information to accable pages. If there are any objections...? - Chosen of Mana--- 21:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

That might already be on another page, but add it if you want. R.A. Hunter B. 00:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Giratina is similar to Rayquaza????

I got one question: Should we put in something about Giratina's Origin Forme looking similar to Rayquaza? Joe9320 02:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

No. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 02:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Different wings

File:DP Ani Giratina.gif Look at this. Left is the platinum giratina and right the d/p. Those wings are different and there has never been an explanation for this. So then why isn't this trivia? Mijzelffan 20:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Because. It's only a sprite update. And the Platinum page talks about sprite updates for all Pokémon in the Sinnoh Dex. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)