Talk:Return (move)
Old discussions
Does anyone know the formula for this attack? Same question for Frustration. Tesh 17:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
And wouldn't this make Return Lopunny's Signature Move? Tesh 22:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- If Frustration is Buneary's. We're still debating that, however... TTEchidna 00:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's a difficult one to call, but if we call Return Lopunny's signiture move (and Frustration Buneary's), would we not then have to do the same with other examples. E.g. Vigoroth is the only Pokémon that can learn Focus Punch by leveling, but a substaintial amount can learn it through TM01 in Generations III and IV. Tricky when you look at it, huh? From Samjohn95 01:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Rabbits either hate you or love you Tesh 14:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need that big list for Gen II? - Chosen
Well, it all depends on whether all of the Pokemon in Gen.II can learn this attack. TESHTALK 16:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Any Pokémon that can learn TMs can learn Return and Frustration. It's always been that way, and I think it's safe to assume it'll always be that way (unless they decide to pull another Regigigas on us with them like they did with Rest and Protect...). Missingno. Master 10:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Japanese name
おんがえし (恩返し) does not simply mean return. I think it would be worthwhile to point out that it means repaying a favor/kindness, which makes more sense in relation to the move than the current vague translation IMHO. I say at least make it return favor or something. --BlackySully 00:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- That does make much more sense felinoel 15:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Power
Wait... so this can only do up to 41 power? Max happiness is 102 and that divided by 2.5 is 40.8 felinoel 15:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- You're reading it wrong. Take out the parts in brackets, which are there as explanation, and you get The base power of Return varies between 0 and 102. 102 is the maximum power, which occurs at maximum happiness. The Happiness value ranges from 0 to 255 (one byte). 255/2.5 = 102. Werdnae (talk) 19:22, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ah ok, I figured I was reading it wrong but just didn't see where, max power of 102 makes a lot more sense for the amount of punch my Teddiursa's return is dealing, lol felinoel 04:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
anime?
just a question, but has Return ever been used in the anime? In A Manica 00:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- I've never seen it been used. If it had been, I or another user would have put it up. ^^ Littlmiget123 01:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Wild Ditto?
What exactly would the power level be for a wild ditto that uses return? -Unendingfear (talk) 06:24, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Not really about the article, but checking the List of Pokémon by base friendship gives a wild Ditto a friendship of 70. Thus, 70 divided by 2.5 should make the Base Power likely be 28. --Super goku (talk) 08:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- I did some trials in LeafGreen, and I successfully narrowed down the possible base friendship used to be between 58 and 72. Since my Pokemon hatched from an Egg recently and not having fainted (making it's friendship around 120), it hasn't been copied from it. The only reasonable value in that range to be used is Ditto's base friendship, so I think it is a reasonable assumption to state that wild Pokémon use their base friendship for Return/Frustration. Unfortunately, since I used Azurill, I don't know if Ditto used its base friendship or Azurill's, but I would assume it would be Ditto's since it didn't copy my current amount. --SnorlaxMonster 09:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Varying Move Animation (Gen III)
In Generation III (Emerald, at least), the animation for Return changed depending on the Happiness/Friendship of the user. (This also applies to Frustration.) Does anyone think some research could go into this? LittleOmu (talk) 20:40, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
in Link Battles
How well does this work in a link battle? I know Friendship and Affection are two different things, but the benefits of affection are not carried into Link battles so I am wondering if its the same for Friendship benefits. Is it worth making a Pokémon like you, or can you just stick them with Return (or maybe even frustration) and it work about the same in a link battle? Yamitora1 (talk) 20:03, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- I have never heard it working any different than it works in-game. Moves that are affected by friendship are completely different since beyond evolution, it's solely used to affect the power of moves, while affection allows Pokémon to dodge even 100% accuracy moves, early healing from statuses among other things. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 21:35, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
QR Teams?
Is the power affected by using a rental team? For example I scan a MegaMence team with return is the power still 102? - unsigned comment from RolandoCM (talk • contribs)
Lugia cannot learn Return in PMD Rescue Team
Title. For whatever reason, in both Blue and Red rescue team Lugia cannot learn Return via TM. I have checked other legendaries, including Ho-Oh, and they all can learn it. I'm thinking this is definitely an oversight but don't know how to add it to the article. EDIT: Just for good measure I checked if it can learn Frustration, and it can. Frezgle (Silverlucario) (talk) 18:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
