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== Magikarp Salesman ==

Does the Magikarp from the Magikarp salesman in the Pokémon Center by Mt. Moon have any advantages over a regular Magikarp? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">S</span><span style="color: #997722">h</span><span style="color: #BB9944">i</span><span style="color: #DDBB66">n</span><span style="color: #FFDD88">y</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">Contribs</span>]]</sup>[[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 00:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, you don't need to bother fishing? :P --[[User: Vladek|Vladek]]

:Yeah, and by fishing you waste {{PDollar}}200, while an estimate (to me) the idiot sells you Magikarp for {{PDollar}}500...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|<span style="color:#000080">A</span><span style="color:#17365D">g</span><span style="color:#549DD4">e</span><span style="color:#8DB3E2">n</span><span style="color:#C6D9F0">t</span>]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|<span style="color:#000080">4</span>]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|<span style="color:#000080">4</span>]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#000080">8</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Optimus35|<span style="color:#000080">δ</span>]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&amp;Pearl|<span style="color: #B0E0E6">D</span><span style="color: #FFC0CB">P</span>]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆]</sup>[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]]  10:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::But does it have any other advantages, besides not having to fish? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">S</span><span style="color: #997722">h</span><span style="color: #BB9944">i</span><span style="color: #DDBB66">n</span><span style="color: #FFDD88">y</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">Contribs</span>]]</sup>[[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I really doubt that, and I think that the scammer shown in the anime that keeps on selling Magikarp is based on that guy. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 21:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, that Magikarp really doesn't have any advantages both in the animé and in the game, as far as I tested. The stats are the same <strike>useless</strike> ones, and the animé one is useless, as far as James is concerned. XD [[User:Sang'gre Habagat|Sang'gre Habagat]]
:::::Well, remember. You can't get the Old Rod until Vermilion, you spend at least {{PDollar}}200 on Poké Balls, which don't have a sure chance of nabbing it, and then you have to train that Magikarp while training for an upcoming match with a {{type2|Electric}} Gym Leader. So yes, there is an advantage. You get all of the extra time to train the Karp. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">TTE</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#0000FF">chidna</span>]]''' 04:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Haha. You've got a point, TTEchidna. ^^ [[User:Sang'gre Habagat|Sang&#39;gre Habagat]] 07:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::It is done so you can get {{p|Gyarados}} before getting the fishing rod. [[Image:Ani493MS.gif]][[User:ZanderX|<span style="color: #332303">Z</span><span style="color: #0080FF">a</span><span style="color: #332303">n</span><span style="color: #0080FF">d</span><span style="color: #332303">e</span><span style="color: #0080FF">r</span>]][[Image:Ani493MS.gif]] 12:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::But what's the use? You know Magikarp's useless. It takes a while to train it. So just wait for the fishing rod, I say! You get the rod for free, go and fish! The Pokemon near the Magikarp salesmen are too tough for training a Magikarp. [[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 01:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Magikarp does suck, but it evolves into a Gyarados which is a powerful Pokémon. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 12:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Actually, I find that with enough patience and training, you can evolve the Mt. Moon Magikarp before reaching Bill's house at the earliest.  <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small>

== " How do you need that cited? It's the very first foreign dex entry you get." ==

This is how: There is no specific information about which game this trivia is referring to. Trivia sections should have useful information, and I don't really find this useful if we don't include where whoever posted that trivia got that information from. No I don't mean cite it like they do on Wikipedia, I just want mention of the game this foreign etnry is from. And I also believe this trivia is misleading. Germans dub movies, so why not rewrite the video games? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question about the German Magikarp. ==

Is it possible to get a German entry of Gyarados when I evolve it? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think so D: Sorry [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ = 愛</span> 19:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
::Why don't you try to evolve that Magikarp? [[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Not in DP... Pt however... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Is Pt supposed to stand for Platinum? If so, I got another question. How do you know that? The game isn't even in English yet. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 18:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::But it's out in Japanese, and it works on that version too! These features aren't just added on for us, you know... [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]]
::::::Yeah, but I'd expect another Asian language to appear in the Japanese version, since Japan is located in Asia. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I thought it was weird too, but you can't get Korean or Chinese entries in the Japanese version, even if you ask really nicely. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 20:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Really ==

Swift Swim is the ability of Magikarp in every Generation. But it never rains in Gen I! Was there another ability in Gen I? - [[User:FireHazard|Hazardous FIRE!]] 04:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:Uh ablities weren't introduced until gen 3 soo it wouldn't have mattered [[User:Dion24|Dion24]] 06:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

If you're posting things like that, I don't think you sould be posting anything until you've learned a little bit about the games (no offense). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:And he says he's the "ultra Pokémon expert" on his userpage... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 23:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== {{m|Bounce}} ==

Magikarp can learn Bounce from the move tutor in {{game|Platinum}}. If you don't believe me, go [http://serebii.net/attackdex-dp/bounce.shtml here] and look at the tutor list. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] <small>([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]])</small> <small>([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]])</small> 00:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:I checked and still don't believe you. How do you know they're not wrong or being mistaken? A site ran by a limited amount of people can be wrong sometimes. I would like to see a better proof than this. Serebii is a great site, but I know it has been wrong sometimes, so it's not perfect. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I at least know that Gyarados can learn it, because one of my friends traded me a Gyarados with Bounce that works on PBR. Maybe I'll get him to try to teach a Magikarp Bounce and see if it works for him or not. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] <small>([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]])</small> <small>([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]])</small> 20:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::It's true. Maybe it should be noted that ChoiceBounceKarp is going to be a serious contender in the metagame. [[User:Vaati000|Vaati000]] 01:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Nobody else is denying it, but think of it this way. Isn't it strange that a Pokémon that weak can learn Bounce? Sure, it makes sense since Magikarp can bounce around, but what I have hard times believing is such a weak Pokémon can learn a move with 85 base damage. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Come to think of it several weak Pokémon can learn strong moves. Let's face it, things change, and there is nothing to do about it. Only legendaries keep their signature moves forever, eventually other Pokémon can learn some other Pokémon's signature move. It's kinda like the fact for weak Pokémon, eventually all Pokémon will learn good moves. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

==Frowning Magikarp.==

Magikarp's {{v2|Platinum}} sprite is frowning because it's not in that game... [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]])</sup> 18:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:Who the hell told that it wasn't in Platinum? They're lying to you. <sup>[[user:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">Cho</span>]][[user talk:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">col</span>]][[special:contributions/chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">ate</span>]]</sup> 18:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
::This article. According to the Gyarados article, it's gone too. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]])</sup> 18:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:::The data is not filled in yet. [[User:Gywall|<span style="color:#FF8800">'''Gyw</span><span style="color:#FFAE00">all'''</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]])</sup> 18:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
::::They could at least say "I don't know," instead of "IT'S NOT THERE!!!" in the empty template. {{unsigned|TorchicBlaziken}}
:::::That would completely unencyclopediac. The template is set so that if nothing is filled in under the Platinum location, it always says "none". <sup>[[user:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">Cho</span>]][[user talk:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">col</span>]][[special:contributions/chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">ate</span>]]</sup> 18:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

==Magikarp base speed== 

Sorry,double post.
But I have my Magikarp right in front of me,and it says in her stats "Speed - 116".
What do you mean by "Due to its low stats (Speed, however, at 80, being the highest)",her status screen clearly says 116? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:10, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Base stats =/= actual stats. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 23:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh..Okay then! Just making sure [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Speed ''stat'' = [((IV + 2 * Base + (EV/4)) * Level/100) + 5] * Nature, where IV is the [[IV]] in that specific stat, Base is the [[base stat]], and [[nature]] is either 0.9 (for one that lowers) or 1.1 (for one that raises). With a neutral nature and absolute crap for IVs (a 0 in Speed, lowest you can get), your Magikarp's Speed at level 50, without any training would be 85. However, I ''assume'' it's not yet level 50, at least slightly trained, and doesn't have a 0 in its IVs for Speed. The base stats give you an idea of where the stats will fall (such as, your Magikarp's not gonna likely have 100+ Attack until sometime around level 70) but do not state the exact stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

:Wasn't there a website that had a calculator for that? Some German one? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

: TTEchidna my Magikarp is well over level 50,I think she's almost lv 60,by the way. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Turning Magikarp to Mew ==

The text says "A glitch in the early Japanese games, Red, Green, and Blue, allowed players to transform their Magikarp into a Mew. However, this Mew was not registered in the Pokédex, did not have the same stats nor moves, and caused some major glitches to the player's items pack." Is this actually true? If so, what is the glitch out of interest? [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 23:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

:I was about to ask the same thing. Seriously, a claim such as this should be backed-up thoroughly. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 17:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I deleted a bunch of trivia that stated rules with exceptions (i.e., it appears with Gyarados in the anime, except in X, Y, Z, and it couldn't fill its movelist until it could.)  Also a feebas comparison.  Those aren't really trivia bits in the sense of 'oh, this is interesting.'  They're just...random, compiled facts. -- '''[[User:evkl|<span style="color:#000099">evkl</span>]]''' <sub>[[User_talk:evkl|<span style="color:#006699">(need to talk?)</span>]]</sub> 05:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== Wait a minute... ==

If Pidgeotto can catch and eat Magikarp, why can't {{TRM}}? After all, he DID attempt to eat it. '''[[User:Optimatum|<b><span style="font-family:Comic Sands MS; color:black;">Θρtιmαtum</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Optimatum|<span style="color:black;">Talk</span>]]</sub></b> 16:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe he just had weak teeth. [[User:DarkGiratina]] 18:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:Or maybe a Pidgeotto's beak is stronger than a Meowth's teeth.  I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]].  See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 17:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== EV yield ==

I checked the coding for the page, and it says it '''should''' display as 1 Speed EV. However, the chart currently displays absolutely no IVs. Anyone know how to fix the problem? [[User:Beta Zero|<font color="#000000">'''β'''</font><font color="#BBBBBB">''etA''</font>]] [[User talk:Beta Zero|<font color="#BBBBBB">''Zer''</font><font color="#000000">'''Ø'''</font>]] 04:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for the fix...I knew it was odd when I saw that Magikarp gave no EVs... [[User:Beta Zero|<font color="#000000">'''β'''</font><font color="#BBBBBB">''etA''</font>]] [[User talk:Beta Zero|<font color="#BBBBBB">''Zer''</font><font color="#000000">'''Ø'''</font>]] 16:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Magikarp}} with moves other than {{m|Splash}}, {{m|Tackle}}, {{m|Flail}}, {{m|Dragon Rage}} and {{m|Rage}} ==

Surely if you were to breed two Gyarados's with the same four moves it would breed with those four moves?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

:Nope.  If a Gyarados knows a move that's not in Magikarp's level-up movelist, the ensuing Magikarp will not know that move.  The only moves you can get onto a hatched Magikarp by breeding are Tackle and Flail, and that's if both parents know the moves in question; Splash is its basic move, whereas it can't even learn Dragon Rage and Rage.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Just puttin' it out there ==

the crystal sprites are not transparent, & I don't know how to fix it '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|<span style="color:#000000;">Shiny</span>]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|<span style="color:#FF0110;">Rayquaza</span>]]''''' 00:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== What other Pokémon cannot learn surf? ==

The article says that "Magikarp is one of three Water-types that cannot learn Surf", so what are the other two Pokémon?
--[[User:Kiewzhenyi|Kiewzhenyi]] 01:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

:{{p|Wingull}} and {{p|Surskit}}.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Mistake in the trivia ==

"The Pokédex entries for Magikarp in Gold version and Platinum version contradict each other; Gold version says that Magikarp never jumps more than seven feet, whereas Platinum version states that it may jump over a mountain."

Gold version is saying it cannot jump more than seven feet HIGH, where as Platinum version explains that it jumps over a mountain over the course of multiple years, as in, while never jumping more than seven feet high at a time, it makes its way over the mountain in multiple jumps. And by multiple, I mean thousands. So anyways, they're not contradicting each other, they're stating two different points. Jump height, and determination.<small>- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Notafan}} ([[User talk:Notafan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Notafan|contribs]]) ''</small>
:what? I'm pretty sure that the Platinum entry says that a Magikarp that ''already'' lived for a bunch  of years (as in, an old one) can jump over a mountain, not that it jumps over it over the course of several years.--'''[[Water (type)|<font color="#6890F0">Liquid</font>]]''' [[Mask of Ice|<font color="#6890F0">'''ICE'''</font>]] <small>(User:Cold)<sup>([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]])</sup></small> 12:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps, in the games' canon, the old Magikarp-Splash-over-a-mountain thing was a recent discovery.  Also, the Gold entry doesn't specifically mention Splash, whereas this one does.  [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] <small>[[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]]</small> 13:30, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== Since it's locked... ==

..., I'll just dump this here.

HG Johto-side locations: Routes 30, 31, 32, 34, 35, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45 and 47, Olivine City, Ruins of Alph, Lake of Rage, Whirl Islands, Ilex Forest, Ecruteak City, Ragged Cliff Gate, Violet City, Dark Cave, Mt. Mortar, Cianwood City, Union Cave, Blackthorn City, Slowpoke Well, Cherrygrove City, Dragon's Den, New Bark Town.

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== Edit Request 2 ==

I have noticed that {{p|Seedot}} and {{p|Pichu}} are the easiest [[Pokemon]] to capture in [[Pokemon Ranger]]. But I played the game and Magikarp has the same easinesst. Can anyone fix this? Please and thank you--[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] 05:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Should we... ==
Mention the meme "Use splash attak!" in the trivia? For those who don't know, its a looped video of Red and Blue battling with two magikarp that only know splash. I figured we should mention it since we mentioned "So I Heard You Liek Mudkipz". [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 17:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:It's not really as popular as the "mudkipz" meme. I don't think it should be added. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 19:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request 3 ==

Shouldn't it be noted that before Gen. IV when it could learn bounce from move tutors, Magikarp couldn't damage any Ghost Types before?

Several other articles like Weedle and Caterpie has this as trivia.[[User:Naui|Naui]] 00:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Case and point, Magikarp has never been able to learn bounce by TM, move tutor, or breeding. However as of Generation V it is able to learn it only from Dream World. So no. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 00:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
:It could learn it from the HGSS Move Tutor in Gen IV. --[[User:PsychicRider|<span style="color:#78C850;">'''P S Y'''</span>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#F85888;">'''ライダー'''</sub>]]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<span style="color:#C4E673;">'''☮'''</span>]]'' 00:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
::Just noticed that, kind of funny how it can't learn it in Generation V though. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 00:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

== Base exp might be wrong ==

So on the experience page it said that magikarp used to have the lowest base exp at 20 but now the unova starters have the lowest base exp with 28 yet magikarps base exp is still listed as 20 on this page. Should this be fixed? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] 16:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

== Gen II, Fishing Guru ==

How is the size of a Magikarp determined? This 'size' is measured by the Fishing Guru near Lake of Rage in Gen II. Any knowledge or should I start testing? --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 22:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)