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So the name IS Ho-oh?


Anybody got a screenshot to lay it down one way or another? [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 19:48, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Evkl, the name is Ho-Oh. Check it out here:

http://www.pokemon.com

It also says that name in the Nintendo Power Pokémon Colosseum strategy guide, the Pokémon Official Pokédex book, Prima's strategy guide, Nintendo.com... The name *IS* Ho-Oh.

Ledian_X

All online refrences I've seen put a lowercase O.  The games are utterly inconclusive, being in all caps... [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 20:27, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ditto to that.  [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]]


Don't forget the NP FireRed/LeafGreen guide and a poster from a fairly recent issue of Nintendo Power, which both use an uppercase "O". However, older official material, such as the NP Pokémon Crystal guide, say "Ho-oh", so I guess NOA changed its mind as some point.  Right now I'm *considering* moving the article and updating all related pages to reflect this.
[[User:Woopert|Woopert]] 20:41, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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Uhh run that past Evkl first. I also got a screenshot confirmation that it is Ho-Oh. It was from the anime. The episode title screen and it says "For Ho-Oh, the Bell Tolls". It's also Ho-Oh in the Prima guide with the (TM) at the top. IIt's officially confirmed as Ho-Oh.

Ledian_X

Chris has shown me a screencap which includes a capital O, which is the closest to a canon source I've been able to find up until now.  So I'm leaning towards Ho-Oh. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 20:53, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

'''Note by evkl: The Prima guide is NOT Canon.'''

Despite what I've said on AIM about its spelling, Pokemon.com [[http://www.pokemon.com/media/television/index.asp?ep=298 shows it as "Ho-oh"]] whereas I thought it listed otherwise. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 00:09, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

And to add the anime episode title, there's the GBA Video's page for [[https://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=2da810b1-52cf-48e7-bc01-a3f5ba83f95e the episode]] which uses "Ho-Oh" as said above. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 04:22, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:What about in the cards? As in TCG? It says "Ho-oh"... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 03:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::They switched it to the Ho-Oh capitalization in {{TCG|EX Unseen Forces}} and never went back.  Some people assumed this capitalization to be a mistake at first, but Mystery Dungeon 1 proved that "Ho-Oh" was now indeed the correct capitalization for the Pokémon's name.  Just for the record:  "Ho-oh" and "Ho-Oh" are considered the same name in the TCG for numbering purposes.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

==Ho-Oh in the anime==

We know that Ho-Oh was the first Pokémon seen in the animé, in the first episode. This always led me to believe that Ho-Oh was infact invented by the animé creators, when making the sequals, they attempted to cash in on it by making it a proper Pokémon. (Highly similar to the release of Yellow infact) I also always thought that Marill was also created the same way, by the animé guys and then used in the games. (Although the showing of Marill and release of G/S are not half as far apart as the Ho-Oh appearance.) Anyway, I was wondering if there is any evidence at all to suggest Ho-Oh was made by the animé guys? And if maybe this is worth mentioning in the article, I always thought it was fishy at least. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 10:29, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The stylistic similarities between the RBY generation of Pokemon and the GSC are high and so its likely that the first 251 pokemon were conceived at the same time hence why Ho-oh appears in the first episode. Afterall, there is apparently about 1000 original concept drawings by the original creator of pokemon so that suggests that a lot about the pokemon world was already finalised before the anime was in production.
--[[User:Ainohuyuah|Ainohuyuah]] 12:24, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why isnt this actually in the infomation? That it is the "Unknown Pokemon" from episodes 1-2 Indego League, I think it should be included --[[User:Denty|Denty]] 19:06 11 Mar 2010

==Pronounciation== 
How is Ho-Oh pronounced? I think it's ''hutt-o'' or ''Ho-ho'' Well? [[User:Strong Intelligent|Strong Intelligent]]
:I say 'Ho' and then 'Oh' as in 'Oh no'. But thats just me [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ = 愛</span> 09:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

::That's pretty much it.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#003366" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#008000" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#800000">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 15:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

==Move Tutor in Crystal Version==

I looked up Ho-oh in the Library at Earl's Pokémon Academy on Pokémon Stadium 2, and it says that Ho-oh can learn Flamethrower and Thunderbolt from the Move Tutor in Crystal.  Is there any way of putting this in the article?  [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] 21:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:That is already on Ho-Oh's Gen II learnset. That learnset can be found [[Ho-Oh_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29/Generation_II_learnset#By_tutoring|here]].- [[User:Kogoro|<span style="color:#DA70D6;">'''Kogoro'''</span>]] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|<span style="color:#FFB6C1;">'''Talk to me'''</span>]] '''|''' 21:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, at least it's somewhere on BP.  But why are'nt the Generation II moves that Pokémon used to learn but don't anymore (i.e. Hoppip had Pay Day on its Breeding Moveset in Generation II, but it doesn't anymore.) get included in the articles?  If they were, it could be noted elsewhere. [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] 00:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

==Platinum Sprite==
There appears to be a Platinum Sprite on the page, practicly the same as the D/P sprite, should it be removed, or is there a difference? [[User:Lucario12|Lucario12]] 18:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:It is the exact same sprite. The Platinum sprite is a redirect to the Diamond & Pearl sprite. It shouldn't be removed. - [[User:Kogoro|<span style="color:#DA70D6;">'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>'''</span>]] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|<span style="color:#FFB6C1;">'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>'''</span>]] - 18:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ranger? ==

This is generally irrelevant, but how does it have Ranger artwork? It doesn't appear in Ranger!--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|<font color="red">Kk</font>]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|<font color="green">ll</font>]][[Santa Claus|<font color="red">nn</font>]][[User:Kkllnn|<font color="green">ator</font>]] <small>[[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]]</small> 22:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

:Maybe they meant to put it in, but took it out? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 22:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
[[{{redlink|a:File:Ranger artworks.jpg}}|right|thumb|]]
::Most of the legendary Pokémon from Gens 1 to 3 have official artwork from Ranger for some reason. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 22:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, these images are in my Mystery Dungeon Red and Blue stratagy guide. I don't know why everyone thinks it's from Ranger. --'''[[User:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CC99CC">いぬ</span>]][[User talk:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">みみ</span>]]''' 21:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Edit War. ==

People, could you ''please'' stop changing the trivia '''over and over''' again? You're making us decent Bulbapedians look bad. Thank you.
:Love, [[User:ShinjiLover|ShinjiLover]], who is still trying to think of a better siggy.
 
But it isn't good trivia. It's not unique, it isn't notable (IMO), and what about Spritomb? Why isn't it listed too? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

:Trivia is considered to be something that is interesting or something you might not have know/might not have thought about before. I asked TTEChidna what he thought and he said it was kind of interesting. The trivia is unique in that only the 2nd Generation of non-trio ūbers have this common and not with any other Pokémon. I don't really see why it's such a problem. 
:And Spiritomb only has 1 other Pokémon before it to have the same type as it. What makes Lugia's, Ho-Oh's, and Celebi's trivia interesting is that they all 3 are from generation 2, and that the 2 Pokémon with the same type combos come before them. Plus, Spiritomb does not have another Pokémon simliar to it (like Lugia and Ho-Oh are), and Sableye is Dark/Ghost while Spiritomb is Ghost/Dark. The types are not reversed for Charizard/Moltres/Ho-Oh, Natu/Xatu/Lugia, and Exeggcute/Exeggutor/Celebi. --'''[[User:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CC99CC">いぬ</span>]][[User talk:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">みみ</span>]]''' 21:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

::Well, I don't find it interesting, but, w/e, I guess. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Actually, if i remember correctly, exeggcute/exeggcutor are Grass/Psy, while Celebi is Psy/Grass. But i may be wrong about exeggcute's type order. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 20:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

::::Now that you mention it...you're right. But Spiritomb was just released with the current generation while Ho-Oh's, Lugia's, and Celebi's type-combinations haven't been released with a Pokemon since generation 2. If in the next generation there are no ghost/dark (or vice versa), then we can mention this same kind of thing in Sableye's and Spiritomb's trivia section I guess. --'''[[User:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CC99CC">いぬ</span>]][[User talk:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">みみ</span>]]''' 23:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==Species?==

I'm wondering if Ho-Oh is a species of Pokémon(The Anime proves there are multiple {{p|Lugia}}) or if there is only one of them? Does anyone have a canon source to verify this? [[User:Auxia|<span style="color:#B2958D"><sub>'''AUXIA'''</sub></span>]] <sub>(</sub>[[User talk:Auxia|<span style="color:#B2958D"><sub>''talk''</sub></span>]]<sub>)</sub> 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
: Well, there is usually only one in each game, but I doubt the one that lives in Orre is the same one that is found in Johto.  And then there's another one in the Sevii island too!  Add to that the one in the anime and I'd say there's at least four of them.  Just my oppinion.  [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
: I've always gone under the impression that there are more than one of any Legendary Pokémon and you could just only ever meet one in the games. I mean, practically, no species can really exist indefinitely with only one member. Also, and this may be a bit of a stupid way of looking at it - but if they only had one of each species battling two on Wi-Fi would be impossible. So therefore by game canon, there must be more. But that's just what I think. <small>- ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])''</small> 15:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I'm not sure about that, I think there are some legendaries which there are only one of, and there can only be one of (such as Arceus, Dialga, Mesprit etc).  These Legendaries have to be unique, the storyline says that they have to be.  I think that Ho-oh isn't unique though, although there's no way of really telling.  It is a flying type, so it could well appear in each of the aforementioned reigons. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 20:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== 13th Movie ==

Has anyone paid attention to Bulba News? Ho-Oh and Lugia have both been contirmed to be it the movie via tseaser after the movie. Could someone add info about this and take out the piece of trivia about Ho-Oh being one of two Pokémon not to be in a feature movie? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

:Technically, nothing's really confirmed.  Early data about [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|movie 11]] suggested {{an|Palkia}} was going to play a major role in it.  Jump to the finished product, and Palkia's got nothing but a few minor cameos.  In the case of movie 13, we've only got a teaser trailer, one not even released to the public, to work on.  My [[$1|2¢]]:  It's still way too early to say anything's for certain.  For all we know, a [[Generation V]] legendary or legendary wannabe steals the show, even if teaser trailer elements do turn out to be accurate.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Since the trailer has been released to the public, should we change the info? (It says that Ho-Oh is LIKELY to appear in the movie; the trailer shows it there, doesn't it?)--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 22:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== Special pic ==

I was attempting to add an scan of Ho-Oh from the Pokémon Special manga, but now I realized that the page is protected, lol. If someone who can edit this page could add it, here it is:
[[Image:Ho-Oh Adventures.png|thumb|left|200px]]
-- [[User:RikkiKitsune|<span style="color:#CFCDD0"><b>R<s>ikki</s></b></span>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|<span style="color:#F9C152"><u>K</u>itsune</span>]] 21:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

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== Sprite trivia ==

Remove it. I can't due to the protection. <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 21:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Tah dah! &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 07:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset Trivia ==
Since Ho-Oh's Moveset changed, that trivia doesn't apply anymore, does it? --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 15:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset ==

Since its moveset has changed almost completely from DPt to HGSS, isn't better to make different tables for each? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|<span style="color:#CFCDD0"><b>R<s>ikki</s></b></span>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|<span style="color:#F9C152"><u>K</u>itsune</span>]] 19:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's not a bad idea, but it'd require a much larger page. Add that to the fact that many have that situation, such as Hippopotas (though minor) and Kyogre (major). My outlook is that there is too much wording, so maybe the debut of the move (if they're the same, leave it alone). So, DP instead of DPPt, and if it debuted in Pt, then Pt, not PTHGSS. Something of that sort... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#B69E00"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#E1E1E1"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 23:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::We may be changing our moveset thing sometime soon. After the while iPhone thing goes over. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 00:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does it say that Ho-Oh receives STAB from Extrasensory in his learn set? Ho-Oh027 19:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:Simple mistake, might've been from something like someone copypasting from Lugia's table and they forgot to change it. Should be fixed, now. :D ▫▪''[[User:Tina|<span style="color:#B16ABB;">Ťïňắ</span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#B16ABB;">♫</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#B16ABB;">♥</span>]]</sup> 19:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

== cameo in Super Mario Galaxy 2 ==

should it be mentioned that the parrots in SMG2 are modeled after Ho-Oh? Fluzzard, the big one, even has the same color scheme and another one has the colors of a shiny Ho-Oh. --[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 22:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I mentioned Fluzzard in the trivia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 19:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Error ==

Ho-Oh on this page is using the Generation II Sugimori art, not the HG/SS art it should be using. Who switched it back to the outdated art? Several other Generation II Pokémon pages have similar errors but if this was meant for some kind of anniversary whatever it was is over now so the art should be changed back to the 4th Gen art for them, among the others with this problem include Magcargo as well as Ho-Oh, though Magcargo's art was just fine a while ago... [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 18:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's not an error. It is set up to display the older art from time to time. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 19:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Learnset - Weather Ball ==

Ho-Oh learns Weather Ball, which can change type to Fire-Type, allowing Ho-Oh to have STAB from the attack. However, the attack is italicised in the Generation IV learnset list, which is supposed to indicate it gets STAB when it used by an evolution of Ho-Oh, which doesn't exist. I am not sure if the Weather Ball attack ought to be unitalicised or the template should be changed so that the text below the learnset list can be edited to allow for variations in Pokémon learnsets, so it could specify the requirements for Weather Ball to have STAB.
<b>[[User:Zywxn|<span style="color:#FF6600">Zywxn</span>]]</b> 14:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Ho-oh represents the sun ==

Why was my trivia was taken out? It was relevant.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Longshan_Temple_-_Fenghuang.jpg look farmiliar? this is a phoenix bird of the sun ho-oh represents the sun, and in extent Lugia represents the moon--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 14:49, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

==Dragon's Den?==

It says in the anime section that a flame of Ho-oh burns in the Dragons den but I'm sure that flame is not from Ho-Oh, however there is one at Mt. Silver correct? [[User:05308|<font color="blue">Diamond</font>]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|<font color="yellow">Lanturn</font>]] [[User talk:05308|<font color="red">CodeName: 05308</font>]] 15:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh could be Ash's dad??  ==

In the section about Ho-Oh's anime appearances there is this line: "Ho-Oh is said to be a very important character in the anime storyline and although it is a pokemon is rumoured to be a possible candidate for being Ash's father."  Could someone tell me what the source of this information is, because it seems ridiculous.  [[User:Whitewater257|Whitewater257]] 01:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:Don't worry about it. It's just someone adding speculation. It happens, and it's been removed. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 01:40, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

This is almost certainly blatantly wrong, but I have a thought about Ho-Oh's name origin.  His name spells out the exact chemical structure of hydrogen peroxide, two hydroxide ions bonded together, the bond usually represented by a dash.  In addition, hydrogen peroxide has medical purposes, and is used for healing; this could be analogous to Ho-Oh's revival of the Legendary Beasts in Ecruteak City. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
:The part about it being used for healing is completely fallacious. Hydrogen Peroxide is a powerful oxidising agent. That may make it an effective bactericide, but it also makes it extremely toxic to human cells, causing scarring and chemical burns even with relatively dilute solutions. Any use as a bactericide is restricted to items.

:I would find the name origin more plausible if it were a Water type, given Hydrogen Peroxide naturally decomposes to water. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 00:01, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

::Okay.  The idea was pretty {{p|Farfetch'd}} anyway. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 21:54, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

The etymology of Ho-oh is not derived from the Chinese FengHuang, but rather the Japanese equivalent which is simply called the Hō-ō. The mythologies of both oriental phoenixes are quite similar, the only difference is the name. Ho-oh is simply a morphed version of Hō-ō, which is the real Japanese version of the phoenix. Regards, [[User:Ashfire|Ashfire]] ([[User talk:Ashfire|talk]]) 04:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

== Mythological Origin == 

I've been doing some reading, and research, and I personally believe that Ho oh is more closely related to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bird Vermilion Bird], which I find is interesting, as in the page that discusses the origin of the bird, mentions nothing even remotely about the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bird Vermilion Bird]. but the mention of the bird is actually associated with {{p|Moltres}} who has much less in common with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bird Vermilion Bird] than Ho oh does, and I think it's a pertinent reference, as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bird Vermilion Bird] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Huang Feng Huang] are often confused on their own, and even visually, I think ho oh more likely resembles the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bird Vermilion Bird] rather than [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Huang Feng Huang]. I'd like to hear other peoples thoughts on this and whether this should be incorporated or changed. [[User:Nehari|Nehari]] ([[User talk:Nehari|talk]]) 03:41, 19 March 2013 (UTC)