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==ORAS entries==
I think they've actually changed (unless Formes have separate entries :P), since [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPcLdq7Ilk8&list=UU0A_Jk_KqFcwnEBtyNqolsA this]. Probably because of the new Forme. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:I have already updated it. thanks for the help in editing!:)[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

== Hoopa Confined's Description ==

You must have been looking at the old art (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Hoopa-410943259) that influenced a lot of people before we could actually get a clear shot of Hoopa. This is a more accurate look at it (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Hoopa-v-2-477350821). Of note, it doesn't have claws on its hands; they're more like mittens. [[User:Alxprit|Alxprit]] ([[User talk:Alxprit|talk]]) 21:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

== Japanese Name ==

Hoopa's name in Japanese is フーパ (''Fūpa''), though you probably know this already. [[User:LittleOmu|LittleOmu]] ([[User talk:LittleOmu|talk]]) 05:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
:See [[User_talk:Phiraptor28/Hoopa (Pokémon)#In other_languages|here]] on the user page.  The Japanese is already there, though the ''Fūpa'' part is not.  I will leave that to someone else to determine adding, though I believe it can be.  [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
::Fūpa is a transliteration of the katakana. The katakana is a transliteration of Hoopa. Therefore, the Japanese name is Hoopa. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
:::That's not what I meant... On the right side of the page, where the template for the Pokémon information is located, the kana reads シェイミ (''Sheimi'') instead of フーパ (''Fūpa''). [[User:LittleOmu|LittleOmu]] ([[User talk:LittleOmu|talk]]) 07:15, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
::::I'm sorry guys 'coz I copied Shaymin's template to create this page... I'll edit it right away. Thanks to all! [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 13:42, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Prev/Next Bar ==

Guys, please don't change Bulbasaur into Volcanion. Hoopa is going to be released maybe in the next two months, for he's involved in teleporting the [[Weather trio]] to [[Kalos]]. Volcanion will not be released '''simultaneously''' with Hoopa. When Bulbapedia puts this page into the mainspace, Volcanion still won't be in "official" existence. This would yet always end up like this. Even though we know Volcanion exists, he is yet to be acknowledged by Nintendo. So:

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Hoopa | prev=Diancie | next=Bulbasaur | prevnum=719 | nextnum=001 | type=psychic | type2={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: i}} mod 2}}|0=Ghost|1=Dark}}}}  

But then, as you see in my [[User:Phiraptor28/Volcanion_(Pokémon)|Volcanion page]], this would be the only instance that Hoopa and Bulbasaur's  pages would be linked together. If Hoopa is revealed, the PrevNext Bar would be 719 - '''720''' - 001. If Volcanion is revealed, it would be 720 - '''721''' - 001. In layman's term, '''DO NOT EDIT THE PREVNEXT BAR TO SOON'''. I hope you bear with me. :) [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 13:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Hiding Unbound information ==

As I'm sure this article will be mainspaced soon, I'm wondering whether or not the Unbound information should be hidden? Seeming Volcanion (and Hoopa until now) don't have mainspaced pages because of their unofficially revealed status, that the Unbound information should be omitted because its basically in the same boat as Volcanion. I'm absolutely certain the Unbound forme will be officially revealed before July, but still, the fact remains until then it's not officially released information until then. --<b>[[User:S2daam|<span style="color:#F85888">--s</span><span style="color:#F8D030">a</span><span style="color:#6890F0">m</span><span style="color:#98D8D8">m :D</span>]]</b> 15:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree with this because a lot of Diancie's information was also hidden last year until more information was officially announced and it eventually became obtainable in an official event. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 13:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

:I agree as well. Hoopa's unbound form has not been officially revealed by Nintendo yet (to my knowledge), so I don't think we should have it on this page. [[User:ShermTank7272|ShermTank7272]] ([[User talk:ShermTank7272|talk]]) 18:50, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

== Forme names ==

Is it "Hoopa Confined" and "Hoopa Unbound", or "Confined Forme" and "Unbound Forme"? This article uses them interchangeably, which is incorrect. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 15:16, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if it'll help, but in the ORAS text dump, the file that has things like "Altered Forme", "Overcast Form", and "Mega Diancie" also has "Hoopa Confined" and "Hoopa Unbound" (in that relative order). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:26, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
:::It is really '''Hoopa Confined''' or '''Hoopa Unbound'''. As you see, I already put the forme names in the head section of the page, even at the first time I created this. The problem that ''Confined Forme'' and ''Unbound Forme'' came to existence is because when I was creating the infobox (and the evolution section), I learned that the coding of Bulbapedia's Infobox does not recognize the proper order of the names of Hoopa's forme differences; which is because of the previous Pokémon with forme differences, but '''the''' '''''"forme"''''' ''in their formes go'' '''''after''''' '''their forme name.''' Examples are such as ''Sky Forme Shaymin''. Otherwise it would be ''Shaymin Sky'', if we follow Hoopa's format. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 06:49, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
::::That's a false equivalence. Just because Hoopa is done this way does not at all mean Shaymin or anything else is "wrong" or contradicted. (Until I can have Hoopa in my own game or see some official (English) usage, I can't offer a real opinion on whether the current way is right or wrong, but I would hazard that it's right.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:02, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

== The Djinn Pokemon ==

If you read the OR/AS PokeDex Entries with Hoopa Confined as the Forme shown, it displays "Mischief" as it did in X/Y. However, if Unbound is selected when viewing this page, it's called "Djinn" instead. Does any other Pokemon with a Forme Change ever change their [[Species]] name whenever viewed differently in the PokeDex as such? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 13:24, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

:As far as I can tell, no. Also considering that Hoopa is the only Generation VI Pokémon with unique Pokédex entries in ORAS whereas every other Gen VI Pokemon just reuses theirs from X/Y. [[User:Superjustinbros.|Superjustinbros.]] ([[User talk:Superjustinbros.|talk]]) 21:05, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

== Is Hoopa The New Pixie? ==

Y'know, the small, cute, "fairy"-looking legendary with 600 BST like Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Shaymin and Victini (I consider Uxie, Azelf and Mesprit honorary Pixies because they look a lot like pale Mew with helmets, and they have similar sizes to the rest of the pixies, but they don't have 600 BST's)?
Hoopa would also be the first Pixie Legendary to not have an equal 100/100/100/100/100/100 spread, and the second to have an item-linked Forme change after Shaymin (who has both Land and Sky).
And the first to have slight involvement in a game's storyline since Mew (both are directly alluded to in their respective games. Mew with the Pokémon Mansion journals, and Hoopa with the Mirage Spots).--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 00:13, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:"Small" is subjective, "cute" and "'fairy'-looking" are opinionated, and "600 BST" is a trait shared by a TON of Mythical Pokémon beyond just those six, meaning that the only ''factual'' relation between specifically them is that they are all Mythical and have straight-100 stats. Hoopa is Mythical, but since it doesn't meet the ''only'' other criterium, it doesn't qualify, so rather than being considered "the only Pixie not to have straight-100 stats," I would just not call it a Pixie. Please remember that this has to all be fact-based, so we can't just categorize Pokémon based on similar appearances - if Hoopa counted as a pixie despite not having straight-100 stats, then wouldn't Diancie and even Darkrai also have to? They also have BSTs of 600 and are Mythical; they, ''like Hoopa,'' lack the straight-100 stats, but if Hoopa counts, there's no reason for them not to count. I don't think Hoopa can be grouped with the Pixies - we ''didn't'' count Diancie and Darkrai, did we? [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 11:45, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
::Subject?  Likely.  Either way, [[Appendix:Fan terminology#Cute Legendary Pokémon|we have a definition on the Appendix]].  (Though, they are not called Pixies.)  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:::So is that a yes or a no? Hoopa seems to fit the entire definition in the Appendix aside from the 100 stat spread. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 09:09, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
::::It doesn't meet the definition (as you said yourself), so it isn't. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:19, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Infobox problem ==

Hoopa's forms don't work entirely right in the Pokemon infobox. Under the images, it says "Confined/Unbound Hoopa" instead of "Hoopa Confined/Unbound". This should be corrected somehow. (If I had to make a suggestion, my first would be to just create a special template. ...Which might also be useful for the handling the dual species names.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:53, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not sure I understand the problem.  The same template used there, I think, is used for all Megas (see {{p|Altaria}} for instance).  Once we have proper art for both forms and more than a magazine clipping, it'll make a lot more sense, I think.  Right now, the text replaces an image that does not exist.  [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:58, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
::All right, based on your edit, I see what you mean now.  I'm curious which one the game uses, as that's the one that we should prioritize to.  [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:::...Do you? (See what I "mean".) Are you talking about species names (which is the thing I just edited), or form names? The species names are a complete tangent here. The form names are the real issue here, and are wrong as shown under the images (and this will not change when proper images are in place, or make any new "sense"; "Confined/Unbound Hoopa" is simply ''wrong''). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Um, yes.  I "do". =P
::::What I mean, though, is what will the Pokédex use?  When you receive it, it goes in the Pokédex, then you look at it, and it says either "The Mischief Pokémon" or "The Djinn Pokémon".  Whichever one the Pokédex uses takes priority, though I'm not against prose that the other term is also used (I think we want to go away from tooltips for mobile users).  [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the species names should pretty much stay entirely in the infobox. Even if the infobox never changes. I mean, the only way I can think of explaining it in prose just comes off as trivia. Ideally, though, the infobox should differentiate them better than the current solution. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::It could be set up like the game locations box and allow for the variable "species2" or something like that.  When it's defined as anything, a line break is added followed by the text presented in "species2".  [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:01, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

== Possible name inspiration ==

In addition to the obvious "Hoop" part of its name, I think Hoopa could also be referencing OOPArts, or "out-of-place artifacts". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact
It certainly fits with its theme of teleporting objects to seemingly random locations. [[User:Silverlucario|Frezgle (Silverlucario)]] ([[User talk:Silverlucario|talk]]) 03:32, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

:Hmm, seems like it [[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]06:42, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
::No, I really don't think "''an object [...] found in a very unusual or seemingly impossible context that could challenge conventional historical chronology by being "too advanced" for the level of civilization that existed at the time, or showing "human presence" well before humans were supposed to exist''" is at all related to Hoopa. Just because Hoopa ''could'' be the cause does not at all mean it's reasonable. Until such a case is actually mentioned, you're theorizing on the consequences of Hoopa's habits much too far without real subtantiation (i.e., it's just a huge guess). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:05, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

== Artwork ==

This is the official Hoopa's artwork: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:720Hoopa.png
Please include this. {{unsigned|RickFreak}}
:It's already there. Purge your cache. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:38, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
::It's not actually a user-side issue. Either the image will update in about a month, or a high enough staff member may decide to purge the cached image sooner. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:44, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
:::No, it's already been updated on the server-side. After I cleared my cache, the correct artwork was there. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:25, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
::::On this page? I've done everything I know to update this [[Hoopa (Pokémon)]], and I still see the magazine scan. (Which is as I expect; it's your experience I can't account for.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

== Time travel description  ==

This little sentence makes it seem as if the author was the time traveller: 
'''It was officially revealed in the February 2015 issue of CoroCoro magazine on January 10, 2015.''' 
Either the date is wrong, or it should be changed to either: 
'''It will be officially revealed in the February 2015 issue of CoroCoro magazine.'''(as mentioning the date twice makes it sound weird) 
or 
'''It was officially revealed in the leaked February 2015 issue of CoroCoro magazine.'''
Someone who knows the actual situation should edit this. --[[User:Markoatonc|Markoatonc]] ([[User talk:Markoatonc|talk]]) 17:46, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:That's how magazines operate. Monthly magazines often say the issue is for the next month to keep sales of it up. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 18:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
::This Won't change that the form of this sentence is wrong. It was revealed in January issue that the February issue will have info about it.
::I suggest: '''It was announced in the CoroCoro magazine on January 10, 2015 that the pokemon will be officially introduced in February 2015 issue of the magazine.''' OK, I suggest that someone with the right permissions should change it. {{unsigned|Markoatonc}}
:::They're saying that the February issue was released in January. Again, many companies do this. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] ([[User talk:Starscream|talk]]) 19:55, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
::::OK... I get it now. But no Magazine company I know does that, at least not like this. Still, thanks for clearing that up. {{unsigned|Markoatonc}}
:::::If you need more information on publications following this release format (date of edition not matching the month/week it's released), try {{wp|cover date}}s. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:10, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

== Confined Hoopa is only a head? ==

Confined Hoopa seemed to have "hands". Is this true that Confined Hoopa has no arms and legs?
--[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 08:15, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:What do you mean by "seemed"? Has it (the confined form) changed? [[User:Partone|Partone]] ([[User talk:Partone|talk]]) 12:45, 2 February 2015 (UTC)