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== Dream World abilities ==

Do they also count for the loss of exclusiveness? Say for example, Slakoth's Truant is available as a DW ability for Aianto, should the note "Prior to Generation V" be included for Slakoth? --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 19:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
== Past signature abilities ==
Most of past signature abilities lost that status in Generation V. Only [[Stench (ability)|tw]][[Sand Stream (ability)|o]] did so in Generation IV. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 17:23, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

== Template ==

I am tired of hovering, we need a template like [[Template:SignatureMove|the one]] on the [[signature move]] page. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 23:43, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
* Made it myself, but Zen Mode is not working. I am not good with templates. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 23:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== A Question ==

Why are the Abilities being linked to as moves? [[User:Reshi643|Reshi643]] ([[User talk:Reshi643|talk]]) 23:11, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
* Because I messed up the template. It's fixed now. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 00:11, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Problem with the template ==

There is a problem, I see only one ability and not two for the Flabébé line, will anyone fix this? --[[User:Cinday123|<span style="color:pink">Cinday123</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Cinday123|<span style="color:lightblue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 22:23, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
::There are both abilities listed if you edit the page, but forever reason this one doesn't work like Signature Moves does. It's a question about editing the template, I think. You might have to go directly to the template's discussion page, if that's even a thing. --[[User:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900FF"><b>KiANGLO</b></span>]] <sup>''([[User talk:Kianglo|<span style="color:#cc00aa">TALK</span>]])''</sup> 00:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
:::In my experience, staff can be slow at getting around to updating protected templates. Luckily, since it's the current gen, it's easy enough to hack a fix up. (Even if it weren't the current gen, though, I'd have just written out the code for those rows.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:36, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

== Ultra Beasts ==

We need to redefine what "Signature Move/Ability" means. Currently, it's only limited to evolutionary families, but clear "groups" of Pokemon like the Ultra Beasts should qualify. {{Unsigned|Kungfuyu}}
:Yeah, I think we should clarify it; I sense an edit war starting. The only reason I added it in the first place was because it said so [[Beast Boost|here]]. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
::I feel like ultra beasts should qualify as well (though that's probably obvious given my prior edit)--they're clearly a related group of Pokémon and they are the only ones to have the ability. --[[User:Felthry|Felthry]] ([[User talk:Felthry|talk]]) 21:47, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
:::[[Signature move]] considers the Swords of Justice to have a signature move among themselves even though they are not evolutionarily related, so I think this is a similar situation and the UBs' Beast Boost can be considered a signature Ability. However, we need a satisfactory way to draw a line (on both articles) so that actual, legitimate groups qualify and arbitrary ones don't qualify (like starters + elemental monkeys for Overgrow/Blaze/Torrent, or butterflies and moths for Quiver Dance). I'm not sure of the best wording to use to draw that line. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:35, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Here's my two cents... Starters are a maybe, the only thing keeping me from saying "yes" is that they're scattered across every generation. Butterflies and moths are a definite no - they're not really directly linked.

::::Another thing: I think that if an ability is an ability of one Pokemon and then a hidden ability for another, it should still be here, for example Cloud Nine. Just a suggestion. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 18:28, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Nah, I was saying that both of those arbitrary groups I named are examples of what would ''not'' count, because they're arbitrary. (The monkeys disqualify the starter group.)
:::::If we were still back in Gen V I might agree with you on Hidden Abilities, but they're so easily achievable now that I don't personally think HAs should be treated differently than standard Abilities. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:34, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::Wait, why would starters not count? --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 18:38, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Starters aren't the only Pokemon with Overgrow/Blaze/Torrent. Pansage/Pansear/Panpour and their evolutions have them too, and that's what disqualifies it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:01, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, that makes sense. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 19:10, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

== How do I add protean? ==

Protean was Kecleon's signature ability in Generation 5. I tried to add it to the table, but it didn't show up. What do I type to get it to show up? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:47, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
:No it wasn't; Protean didn't exist in gen 5. Like Plusle & Ferrothorn, Kecleon didn't have a hidden ability until gen 6. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:16, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

==Signature abilities only in X and Y==
Mega Pinsir, Tyrunt-Tyrantrum and Amaura-Aurorus have a signature ability (Aerilate, Strong Jaw and Refrigerate, respectively) in X and Y, but not in the other games. Maybe you should edit the template adding an asterisk with "Only in".--[[User:Snorlite|Snorlite]] ([[User talk:Snorlite|talk]]) 18:06, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

== Signature Abilities only in specific games ==

Not counting event distributions and the Dream World, this is a summary of all Pokémon with signature Abilities only in specific games (only at the time of their release):
{|
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|
{| style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; {{roundy|10px}}"
|+ '''Ruby, Sapphire and Colosseum'''
|- style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Ability
! Pokémon
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Signature<br>in Colosseum
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Speed Boost}}
| {{MSP/3|291|Ninjask}}
| {{no}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Battle Armor}}
| {{MSP/3|347|Anorith}}{{MSP/3|348|Armaldo}}
| {{yes}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Damp}}
| {{MSP/3|054|Psyduck}}{{MSP/3|055|Golduck}}
| {{no}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Volt Absorb}}
| {{MSP/3|170|Chinchou}}{{MSP/3|171|Lanturn}}
| {{yes}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Insomnia}}
| {{MSP/3|353|Shuppet}}{{MSP/3|354|Banette}}
| {{yes}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Immunity}}
| {{MSP/3|335|Zangoose}}
| {{yes}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Shield Dust}}
| {{MSP/3|265|Wurmple}}{{MSP/3|269|Dustox}}
| {{yes}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Suction Cups}}
| {{MSP/3|345|Lileep}}{{MSP/3|346|Cradily}}
| {{no}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Effect Spore}}
| {{MSP/3|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP/3|286|Breloom}}
| {{yes}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Trace}}
| {{MSP/3|280|Ralts}}{{MSP/3|281|Kirlia}}{{MSP/3|282|Gardevoir}}
| {{yes}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Hustle}}
| {{MSP/3|222|Corsola}}
| {{no}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Overgrow}}
| {{MSP/3|252|Treecko}}{{MSP/3|253|Grovyle}}{{MSP/3|254|Sceptile}}
| {{no}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Blaze}}
| {{MSP/3|255|Torchic}}{{MSP/3|256|Combusken}}{{MSP/3|257|Blaziken}}
| {{no}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Torrent}}
| {{MSP/3|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP/3|259|Marshtomp}}{{MSP/3|260|Swampert}}
| {{no}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Arena Trap}}
| {{MSP/3|328|Trapinch}}
| {{yes}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Vital Spirit}}
| {{MSP/3|288|Vigoroth}}
| {{no}}
|-
| colspan=3 | All Abilities in this table are signature Abilities in {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}.<br>Only select few were signature Abilities even in {{pkmn|Colosseum}}.<br>None of them were signature Abilities in {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}.
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{kalos color}}; border: 3px solid #{{kalos color dark}}; {{roundy|10px}}"
|+ '''X and Y'''
|- style="background: #{{kalos color light}}"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Ability
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Pokémon
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Strong Jaw}}
| {{MSP/6|696|Tyrunt}}{{MSP/6|697|Tyrantrum}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Refrigerate}}
| {{MSP/6|698|Amaura}}{{MSP/6|699|Aurorus}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Aerilate}}
| {{MSP/6|127M|Pinsir}}
|-
|
|
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{galar color}}; border: 3px solid #{{galar color dark}}; {{roundy|10px}}"
|+ '''Sword and Shield until the Crown Tundra'''
|- style="background: #{{galar color light}}"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Ability
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Pokémon
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Electric Surge}}
| {{MSP|871|Pincurchin}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Psychic Surge}}
| {{MSP|876|Indeedee}}{{MSP|876F|Indeedee}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Misty Surge}}
| {{MSP|110G|Weezing}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Grassy Surge}}
| {{MSP|810|Grookey}}{{MSP|811|Thwackey}}{{MSP|812|Rillaboom}}
|-
|
|
|}
|}
Is there any way any staff member could edit the {{template|SignatureAbility}} template to list these? --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|<font color="turquoise">Bfdifan2006</font>]]'''''<sub>[[User talk:Bfdifan2006|<font color="lime">something to say?</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|<font color="orange">My work documentation</font>]]</sub> 12:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

:It'd be great if all of this could somehow be incorporated into the article as well. [[User:Pale Prism|Pale Prism]] ([[User talk:Pale Prism|talk]]) 23:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

{|
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|
{| style="background: #{{galar color}}; border: 3px solid #{{galar color dark}}; {{roundy|10px}}"
|+ '''Sword and Shield'''
|- style="background: #{{galar color light}}"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Ability
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Pokémon
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Immunity}}
| {{MSP|143|Snorlax}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Simple}}
| {{MSP|527|Woobat}}{{MSP|528|Swoobat}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Truant}}
| {{MSP|632|Durant}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Tangled Feet}}
| {{MSP|866|Mr. Rime}}
|-
|
|
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{sinnoh color}}; border: 3px solid #{{sinnoh color dark}}; {{roundy|10px}}"
|+ '''Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl'''
|- style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Ability
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Pokémon
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Sand Rush}}
| {{MSP|027|Sandshrew}}{{MSP|028|Sandslash}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|No Guard}}
| {{MSP|066|Machop}}{{MSP|067|Machoke}}{{MSP|068|Machamp}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Download}}
| {{MSP|137|Porygon}}{{MSP|233|Porygon2}}{{MSP|474|Porygon-Z}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Huge Power}}
| {{MSP|183|Marill}}{{MSP|184|Azumarill}}{{MSP|298|Azurill}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Shadow Tag}}
| {{MSP|202|Wobbuffet}}{{MSP|360|Wynaut}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Truant}}
| {{MSP|287|Slakoth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|White Smoke}}
| {{MSP|324|Torkoal}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Klutz}}
| {{MSP|427|Buneary}}{{MSP|428|Lopunny}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Snow Warning}}
| {{MSP|459|Snover}}{{MSP|460|Abomasnow}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{a|Motor Drive}}
| {{MSP|466|Electivire}}
|-
|
|
|}
|}
[[User:Pikcahu|Pikcahu]] ([[User talk:Pikcahu|talk]]) 10:27, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

== Where to add ==

Where can I add the Signature Abilities on the particular pages of the species? They aren't on them. [[User:CrazyPikmin|CrazyPikmin]] ([[User talk:CrazyPikmin|talk]]) 11:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

== Not a fan term? ==
I should point out that the term has been used officially, on a promotion for a Salazzle event and the Necrozma page on the official USUM site. [[User:PinkYoshiGaming|PinkYoshiGaming]] ([[User talk:PinkYoshiGaming|talk]]) 16:55, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
:Do you have any links to these sources? [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 07:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
::For Signature Ability, I initially could only find three links with none being the USUM site.  (If USUM has a standalone site not integrated with the Pokémon official website, then that is why.)  To quote,[https://api.pokemon.com/us/strategy/series-3-and-4-gigantamax-pokemon-in-vgc-gigantamax-gengar-lapras-coalossal-and-more/ "Coalossal debuted with a new signature Ability in the world of Pokémon. Steam Engine raises Coalossal's...]; [https://www.pokemon.com/us/strategy/train-legendary-pokemon-from-the-crown-tundra-for-ranked-battles-and-more "Glastrier can then boost its Attack further via its signature Ability, Chilling Neigh..." - "Combine Regieleki’s move set with its signature Transistor Ability, which boosts..."]; [https://api.pokemon.com/us/strategy/battle-tactics-speed-control-in-double-battles-in-pokemon-sword-and-pokemon-shield/ "...Coalossal, whose signature Ability Steam Engine boosts Coalossal's Speed through the roof when it's hit by a Water- or Fire-type attack."]  All three of these links are part of the "[https://api.pokemon.com/us/strategy/ Pokémon TCG and Video Game Strategy]" section on the official website.  However, I did try another search to find situations where the ability name came between signature and ability, as with Regieleki above, and received one more match.  [https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/pokemon-vgc-world-championships-recap "...making it harder to knock Golisopod out. Its signature Emergency Exit Ability gives extra pivoting options at the cost of having to switch out before attacking."]  Still part of the competitive side of things, but it was submitted under the [https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news Pokémon News] section instead.  Other than that, I don't see anything else outside the mentions of signature moves.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 11:45, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Bumping this. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 13:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

== The term "Signature" has become so muddled over the years and we really need to do something about it ==

Please tell me i'm not the only one who thinks Bulbapedia's whole "signature move/Ability" definition has become so muddled over the years. Like take {{a|Flower Veil}} for example:
* Is signature to {{p|Flabébé}} etc in Gen 6
* Is no longer signature to Flabebe in Gen 7 because they gave it to {{p|Comfey}}
* Is signature to Comfey in Gen 8 because Flabebe doesn't appear in SwSh
* So since Comfey isn't in Gen 9 but Flabebe is, i guess it's signature to Flabebe again????????
Like, wtf is this??? Why do we distinguish signature moves/abilities by whether or not a mon appears in a game? Just because Flabebe doesn't appear in any of the Gen 8 games doesn't mean it suddenly somehow lost its Flower Veil ability (it still keeps it in like HOME or something). The system we have rn for determining "signature" moves/Abilities really unnecessarily complicates things.

I talked about this on the Discord (both BP's own and another i'm in), and fellow editor TrainerSplash made a suggestion: instead of us continuing to use the term "signature" and run it into the ground, we use another term, '''exclusive''', for mons with a "signature" move/Ability because other mons with that move/Ability aren't in the games. Eg.:
* Instead of saying "In Generation 8, Water Shuriken is Accelgor's signature move" (because Greninja isn't in the game), we say "In SwSh, Water Shuriken is exclusive to Accelgor".
* Or something like this:
** Prior to Generation 7, Flower Gift is Flabebe's signature Ability.
*** In SwSh, Flower Gift is exclusive to Comfey.
*** In SV, Flower Gift is exclusive to Flabebe.

It makes it so much simpler and less cluttered. If it's no longer signature, it's no longer signature; doesn't matter if the other mons appear in the games or not; their data still exists in HOME or something similar. If it's exclusive, we say it as exclusive, not signature.

Idk, what do you guys think?

[[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 08:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)