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==Ideas==
Here are some ideas: <br>

-Possibly better names for the [[lake trio|lake]] and [[weather trio]]s and [[Dialga]]/[[Palkia]]/[[Giratina]] (note that each of these guys have a similar look like all trios [these have a similar mouth] and share a naming system [like all trios except the weather trio]): Legendary fairies (maybe pixies/sprites/spirits?), legendary ancients, and legendary dragons (or something that involves dimensions). <br>

-I agree with several articles saying [[Rayquaza]] is the internal leader/mediator of the weather trio, especially since it is more powerful that the other 2. <br>

-I think maybe [[Arceus]] can be considered the leader of both the fairies and dragons. This would fit since it is so powerful. <br>

-I don't think the weather/dimensional trios can be considered true trios, since they break some patterns (Weather - not all are equally powerful; internal leadership; don't share a naming system; they look similar but are not in the same, say, "family"; while other trios would typically share the same stance (flying, all fours, bipedal, etc.), these do not; Dimensional - not all together in 'dex listings; stance thing). Also, perhaps one could say each has a legendary that sort of opposes what they represent? The weather trio all represent a part of the Earth, whereas [[Deoxys]] is an extra-terrestrial being, and the dimensional trio each represent a dimension of reality, whereas [[Darkrai]] represents dreams. So perhaps these guys can be seen as "leader" (well, antithesis) to these trios. <br>

Sorry for the OR. ^^; --[[User:Momru|Momru]] 21:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merging the trio pages ==

I think all of the trio pages should be merged into this article. Most are very short and would fit under their own headings in this article. At the very least, [[Legendary group|trio master]] should be merged with this article. Thoughts? --[[User:Momru|Momru]] 16:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:I was just going to suggest this. It sounds like a great idea. Whoo for extremely late replies. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 13:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Other Possible Groupings ==

;Celebi (Prayer)
;Jirachi (Wish)
*<small>This is also hinted at when Jirachi replaced Celebi on the bonus disc; Celebi's wish-granting seems to be the benevolent kind that gods do, Jirachi's seem to be the literal, malevolent kind that demons/genies do</small>

;Shaymin (Nature)
;Rotom (Technology)

;Regigigas (Pangaea)
;Manaphy (Panlassa)
*<small>Phione is servant to Manaphy</small>

;Deoxys (DNA/Space)
;Heatran (Magma/Earth)

::Rotom is not a Legendary, though...  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 14:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::It does have the music, and you can only catch one in an event battle. Plus, Manaphy/Phione is also in the genderless egg group. I don't know, it just seems to be set up as an opposite pretty well.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Music doesn't make the legendary. Otherwise Cresselia and Shaymin wouldn't be legendary. Besides, Rotom doesn't represent technology, it pretty much destroys it. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 19:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:::True, but that also means that not all legendaries must appear in the exact same circumstances, and Rotom still has the traditional "legendary pokemon" theme. While Rotom may corrupt technology, it is still drawn to it - just like how Lugia is drawn to the sea, while its duty in the movie is to depower it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

::::You can get snorlax and the red gyarados in a special way like you do with legendaries and they are not legendary at all. --'''[[User:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CC99CC">いぬ</span>]][[User talk:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">みみ</span>]]''' 19:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pics ==

Hey, has anyone noticed how the trio pics on this site are (no offense) COMPLETELY PATHETIC?!?! I say someone ask Aragornbird (the webmaster on Arkeis.com) to make some trio pics. Those things are terrible! {{User|Giratina's Embodiment}}
:Official artwork is preferable to fan art.  We get less edit wars that way. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I still say we should call in aragornbird, his pics are awsome. Please don't say 'if you think FAW is so good, you draw pics yourself', because I can barely draw Ditto. [[User:Giratina&#39;s Embodiment|Giratina&#39;s Embodiment]] 23:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Other Possible Groupings Part II ==

I think you should extend those to full trio ideas, rather than just duo such. I would do at least one:
Mew/Celebi/Jirachi ('Cute' trio)
Also, while we're on the talk of 'cute' legends, I agree with whoever in Terminia put up a Manaphy/Phione pair on the duos page. I need to get to that right now. What in the name of Majora put brains in that guy? (Sorry, that's a compliment). [[User:Giratina&#39;s Embodiment|Giratina&#39;s Embodiment]] 23:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:...Do you have proof of such?<span style="font-family:Calibri">~[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#AAAAFF;">Ποκε</span><span style="color:#FFAAAA;">μανιακ</span><span style="color:#999999;">α0β</span>]]</span> 00:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== No Merge on my lands! ==

'''NO''' merging the trio pages on my watch. Although I agree with merging the Legendary Trio and Trio Master pages. [[User:Giratina&#39;s Embodiment|Giratina&#39;s Embodiment]] 18:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pics Part II ==

Okay, I have an idea. I'm gonna talk to aragornbird, and if he agrees, how about we ''add'' the pics rather than changed to them? Because I think those pics are awesome, but agree with Fabu-Vinny; it'll prevent unnessasary edit wars. [[User:Giratina&#39;s Embodiment|Giratina&#39;s Embodiment]] 18:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Naming Ideas ==

I think that these trios ''need better names!'' for example;
G/K/R: Wheather Trio? Bad Name. Mabye change to Legendary Earthmasters? Or Super-Ancients, I like that one.
U/M/A: Lake Trio? Again, bad name. Try Lake Spirits, or Legendary Spirits.
D/P/G: Dragon Trio? Not to bad, but I like that Universal Trio one. Or Legendary Universals.
[[User:Giratina&#39;s Embodiment|Giratina&#39;s Embodiment]] 20:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:We don't name them....'''<span style="background:#00B7EB">[[User:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFD700">PL</span>]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFA500">12</span>]]</span>''' 20:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Good point, but could we at least throw in alternate names for them, like (using dragon trio as example)

Dragon trio is the term used to describe the trio of Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. They are also known as the Universal Trio.

Or something like that. [[User:Giratina&#39;s Embodiment|Giratina&#39;s Embodiment]] 20:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:If you made up that name, and not another professional website, then no. '''<span style="background:#00B7EB">[[User:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFD700">PL</span>]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFA500">12</span>]]</span>''' 20:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Fine then. [[User:Giratina&#39;s Embodiment|Giratina&#39;s Embodiment]] 21:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

All of those names are terrible. Earthmasters? Kyogre lives in the Ocean and Rayquaza in the sky. Why would we even include fan names?  -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Can it, Sketch. I ain't called Giratina's Embodiment for nothing.
:You shouldn't talk to Sketch like that, he's an admin. Plus he does have a point. --[[User:PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''Psychic'''</sup>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#000000;">'''Rider'''</sub>]]''<small>''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''☮'''</sup>]]''</small> 17:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Did you not hear what I ''just said?!'' I ain't called Giratina's Embodiment for nothing. My master just has a little trouble with the keyboard. [[User:Giratina&#39;s Embodiment|Giratina&#39;s Embodiment]] 17:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:Riiight. Still, fan made names shouldn't be used. This is an encyclopedia, and we don't use them here, it was what my point and Sketch's point. --[[User:PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''Psychic'''</sup>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#000000;">'''Rider'''</sub>]]''<small>''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''☮'''</sup>]]''</small> 17:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Whatever. I'm just gonna specify what my names meant.

Earthmasters: This trio controls the condition of the Earth. Super-Ancients: They are ancient Pokémon.

Lake Spirits: This trio's member's all live in lakes in all games they appear in, and M/A are seen as spirits in the anime. Legendary Spirits: latter of previous explanation.

Universal Trio: This trio may as well control the universe. Legendary Universals: Exact same thing. [[User:Giratina&#39;s Embodiment|Giratina&#39;s Embodiment]] 22:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

== Is it a coincidence? ==

That the birds, beasts, and lake trio's have a similar color scheme. Red/pink(Mespirit), Blue, and Yellow.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#000000">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#191970">''Blue''</span>]]''' 20:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

: No, I think that was planed [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
::Is it worth mentioning?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#000000">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#191970">''Blue''</span>]]''' 20:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:::RBY is a very common color scheme, especially when they are reusing the same types. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 03:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== "Muskadeers"? ==

I belive a mention is the least they can have; they behave exactly like the trios of older generations, with 580 BST and their avaliability. Keldeo acts in some ways like a trio master, rather that making a quartet, and is an event Pokemon on top of that. Also, it is d'Artagnan and the Three Muskateers, not The Four Muskateers, keep that in mind.

As for the Fuijin/Raijin trio, Landros has a higher BST that Tornaros and Voltros, and acts in some ways similar to a trio master. Both of the traditional 580 trios in Gen V are unorthodox, but they deserve a mention at least.

I would argue about making a mention of Mewtwo, Lugia and Ho-Oh having a relationship similar to that of trios like the Dragon one, but not being a real trio due to their origins being quite different, and the only relation between Mewtwo and the birds being on a statistical level.
[[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 02:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Energy Dragons ==

Shouldn't the energy dragons be under mascot trios?--[[User:RegiRuler|<span style="color:gold">Regi</span>]][[User talk:RegiRuler|<span style="color:turqoise">Ruler</span>]] 11:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Is the third one a version mascot? No. So obviously no.--<span style="background:#000000;"><span style="color:#FFA500"><font face="Old English Text MT">''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|<span style="color:#FFA500">Sher</span>]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|<span style="color:#FFA500">Bengal</span>]]''</font></span>-</span> 11:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Not YET, I would say, but it is obvious, give it 2 years. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 18:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I think calling it uncategorised could confuse people who come to the page. While not all 3 of them are mascots it can be assumed that Kyurem will be the mascot for the 3rd version, though assumption isn't good enough to list it as so. However if Kyurem isn't the mascot then it would be listed as a normal trio which would confuse some who would think otherwise. I think the problem is that a Mascot trio hasn't been properly defined. Is it where all 3 members are mascots? In which has while Kyurem may be a mascot in the future for now it isn't and thus the Energy Dragons aren't (at the moment) as mascot trio. Is it where the majority (two thirds) are mascots? In which case even while Kyurem isn't a mascot the trio has enough mascot members to count as a mascot trio. [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] 12:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trio Names ==

Any reason that the trio names are somewhat inconsistent?

:'''We have:'''

::*The Legendary Birds, Beasts, and Golems.

::*Then the Lake Guardians.

::*And then the Musketeer, Kami, Weather, Creation, Tao trio.
 
----
Clearly this is inconsistent, and I think some changes should and can be made. The Birds, Beasts, and Golems are fine. The term, "Lake Guardians", is canon. (in the anime) Musketeer trio seems a bit biased since they are NOT the musketeers, just BASED off the three Musketeers, however the name will work for now unless an official name is released, however I would prefer Legendary musketeers over Musketeer trio. Same goes for Kami trio, and if agreed upon, I think it should change to "Legendary kami" as well, considering they are all based off kami. Tao trio is.. awful. I don't think a trio should be named after an entire religion. If anything else, Balance trio would be better, but to be consistent, Balance dragons would work as well.
---- 

:'''This would leave us with:'''

::*Legendary Birds.

::*Legendary Beasts.

::*Legendary Golems.

::*Lake Guardians.

::*Legendary Musketeers.

::*Legendary Kami.

::*Balance Trio or Balance Dragons. --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 21:54, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:Clearly, this is your preference. ...You also forgot the Weather trio and the Creation trio. What, okay, you'd make it the Creation dragons. Good luck on the Weather.
:Their names have never been about "consistency". This is about '''what people call them''' collectively, and giving them something to be called under. Obviously none of these names are official by far (save the Lake trio's), but uniformity is silly. By the way, no one's probably going to get "Balance" since you need to understand what they're a balance of before you get why. Which is why Tao makes tons more sense...and it's hella shorter. And if you can make something shorter in this fandom, people will prefer it. ...You can't call them the "Legendary Kami", anyway. Kami as gods are legendary in their own right, so redundancy is redundant. ...You also argue that calling them Musketeers is biased, since they're based on them, not are them. Then "Kami" is biased, too, since they're based on gods, not are them. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:09, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::"Same goes for Kami trio", Yeah, I know that Kami is biased. Anyway, you make valid points. I still hate Tao Trio, [And the fact that people will pronounce it "Tay-oh" (rhymes with Mayo) when it is actually "Dow" (rhymes with Cow)] but I understand what you are saying. I wish they'd just give these trios canon names. :P --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 21:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I've been using Dimension Trio for Dia/Pal/Gira since DP. Makes sense doesn't it? :/ Creation Trio is taking it too far.
Unless we see another trio of dragons, Legendary Dragons is the simple solution (unlike the Dimension trio, these are actually referred to (all the time too) as dragons. Also note that their first types are Dragon, unlike the case for the Dimension trio which have it as the extra type.). --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

== Musketeers' status as a trio ==

While the Musketeers are currently listed as a quartet, the release of [[M15]] may change Keldeo's status from "unofficial quartet member" to "trio master" due to the other three appearing in the film as well. Speaking of which, why did we decide Keldeo was a normal member in the first place? [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 00:06, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


The musketeers are not on here?? If it's because of Keldeo, how comes no one insisted on taking off the golems when Regigigas came around in DP I wonder... well because they're still a trio obviously. Same applies for the musketeers. Golems got a master, musketeers got an apprentice. These are not equal members of the group.


Then there is the Weather and Kami trio. When there is 2 contrasting members, perfect counterparts in every possible way, but there is also a third similar pokemon but superior in several aspects.. does that really still count as a trio? Wouldn't that just make them a duo with a master?

I'm just asking for consistency here. On one hand regis are a trio with a master but at the same time, the weather guys are a trio, 
when actually, both are made up of a smaller group and a master.....


Also the Tao trio is rushed. Unless Kyurem turns into a proper third member (we know it has 2 formes but that doesn't help this case so far), it's actually the duos opposite. Reshiram and Zekrom are about energy, they have tails resembling a generator and torch, while Kyurem has nothing attached to it (well, imitations in formes soon) looking like a plug, and is covered in actual ice, which fits with it having no energy source. So we can only guess for now till June, but it seems really obvious that whatever happens to it, it won't suddenly become a true "legendary dragon of Unova", which is what the duo is called throughout the games. --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 22:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


Know what? There should simply be a single page about groups of legendary pokemon...--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 10:27, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
: The Musketeers were on the page but were apparently dropped... by an Administrator, but with no explanation or (if this talk page is any indication) apparent consensus. Fourth member or no, I'd say the Musketeers are far more in line with the birds/beasts/golems/faeries than the Kamis are - as far as in-game roles go, the Kamis function far more like Lati@s with a third member. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 03:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

::Until we know more about Keldeo and its role in the group (which is most likely to be revealed in the movie), the [[Legendary Musketeers]] will stay put.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 03:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
::: I wasn't aware we made choices regarding concepts from the games based on content from the movies. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 01:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

::::Couldn't agree more on your upper comment HeroicJay. If the musketeers are a quartet and the kamis are a trio, then the regis are a quartet by all means. Except that everyone knows they're a trio with a master. Might as well make the beasts and Ho-oh a quartet /sarcasm. The movie might as well tell us the musketeers are a quintet with Shuckle, but I don't think it would make a good amount of sense to classify them as such because of it... They don't design the pokemon, they don't choose their background and concepts and they make up loads of stuff for the anime that would never happen in the games.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 19:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

If you've seen the ingame event in BW that Keldeo triggers:
"Long ago, a fire started in the Moor of Icirrus because of a war among people. In this fire, Keldeo was separated from its parents, but together, Cobalion, Terrakion, and Virizion took care of Keldeo. They acted as its parents, and they taught it knowledge and moves for survival. '''Keldeo eventually grew and even surpassed the three Pokémon.''' One day, Keldeo took off from the forest with no one knowing why.
When the three meet again, they teach Keldeo the move Secret Sword."
Clearly it's not a normal member of the group.
Plot-wise
Concept-wise
Special move
Its an event pokemon for crying out loud.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 20:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

== Legendary group pages are a mess ==

I find it hard to believe that no one else thinks there's an embarrassing amount of inconsistency throughout pages like this one, trio masters, along with the individual group ones.
Here's an attempt at the topic with an actual structure: {{u|Saiph charon|ignore the eeveelutions bit}}--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 22:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== Kalos Trio soon to be... ==

Since only X and Y have come out, the Kalos trio has been placed under the Normal Legendary Trio category...at least until Z or whatever comes out. All members of the trio must be a mascot for their games before they get the honor of being called Mascot Legendary Trios.

Also 'Kalos Trio' is only a place holder until the official name is adopted. From what I am seeing.... Ragnarok Trio, Yggdrasil Trio, Norse Trio, Circle of Life Trio or possibly Cartesian Trio are plausible candidates for this honor. 

Once a name is adopted, and its decided rather or not the newest trio will be Mascot Legendary Trio, the info on the page can be changed. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:19, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

:So why were these guys moved to the duo page? Considering this is all just fan wankery to begin with it seems absolutely absurd that we need to "wait until Z comes out so it's official" in order to apply a silly fan term to something that's obviously consistent with the trios from every generation since III. [[User:Snorlax69|Snorlax69]] ([[User talk:Snorlax69|talk]]) 18:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

::Regardless of what you do in regards to them, I don't really think you need a Pokemon Z to justify classifying them as a trio. Their names alone make it very clear with the X, Y, Z thing. And you definitely shouldn't have this "Every core series version mascot since Suicune, excluding the mascots of remakes and X and Y, has been part of a legendary trio" as a trivia thing because it's very clear that Xerneas and Yveltal are part of a trio with Zygarde. [[User:MegaNerd18|MegaNerd18]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd18|talk]]) 18:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Yeah... while considering the Trio a "normal" one (as opposed to a "mascot" one) until Pokémon Z or its equivalent is announced makes some sense (given that the possibility exists for the third version to be cancelled or whatnot), removing the trio entirely (or simply considering it a duo) seems like overkill. Zygarde shares many traits with Xerneas and Yveltal (including the pattern of its moveset, a defining feature of past trios) and its Aura Break ability strongly suggests that it's meant to correspond to Xerneas and Yveltal similarly to how Rayquaza corresponds to Groudon and Kyogre. It has many hallmarks of the third member of a trio, so I don't see why it should be excluded. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
::::There needs to be direct evidence in the game or anime before we will consider Zygarde part of a trio. This should really come as no surprise, this is exactly what we did for Giratina and Kyurem, we waited until their was in game evidence to support that they were part of their trio. --[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 12:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Not trying sound off topic Force Fire, but by that logic Meloetta should be the Trio Master for the Kami Trio since its involvement in the Trio's transformation in the anime indicates it holds power over them. However, my attempts a few years ago to bring that into light were largely ignored, and the anime evidence was thrown out since "It wasn't like that in the games"  

So when does anime cannon and game cannon hold influence on titles such as Duo, Trio and Trio Master? Because if I remember, the legendary bird trio and Lugia are all given their titles of trio and trio master based primarily on the second Pokémon Movie. If the anime holds any power over a set of Pokémon being called either a duo or a trio, or a Pokémon crowned a Trio Master, then by all logic we need to change both the Meloetta and Kami Trio articles to reflect Meloetta's rule over the Kami Trio.

Again, I'm not trying to sound off topic. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
:As a general rule of thumb, the games takes precedence over the anime unless the games doesn't state otherwise (as with Lugia and the legendary birds and also the naming of the Force of Nature). Regarding Meloetta, it knew a song that could open up a temple that held the reveal glass, that was all. It calmed down the trio, yes, but that's because that's what Meloetta does, calm Pokémon down.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 08:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

::Could have worn Meloetta was more involved in the actual transformation. Oh well, given the circumstances, I don't see why we can't wait another year or so for the next game(s) that will likely shed light on their relationship, if any, with Zygarde. The Mortality Duo will just have to be a duo a little while longer. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Nouns or proper nouns ==

Are Legendary trio nouns or proper nouns, so prior to Generation VI, it was named legendary trio. --[[User:Cinday123|<span style="color:pink">Cinday123</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Cinday123|<span style="color:lightblue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 23:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
:A proper noun is a name, i.e. Bulbasaur which means the name should always be capitalized. "legendary" is not a name, it's a group name, i.e. dog, meaning it's not a proper noun. Therefore it is only capitalized at the beginning of a sentence. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 23:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=2040375&oldid=2039733 Legendary] is a proper term now, so it should be capped for Legendary Pokémon, and as a proper term, Legendary should be capped in "Legendary trio". [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

== "Mortality Trio" ==

I modified the Mascot Trio section in anticipation of Zygarde being added to the Mortality Duo, making it a Mortality Trio. If/When this is confirmed, please add the modifications to the actual page.

Also note that I changed the color of the text to be each type's respective dark color to fit in with Bulbadepia standards. --[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; margin:auto; width:auto; background: #272727; border: 4px solid #525252"
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! colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | {{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Mascot trios}}
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| style="background:#{{ground color light}}" |[[File:383Groudon.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Groudon|{{ground color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:382Kyogre.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Kyogre|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:384Rayquaza.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Rayquaza|{{dragon color dark}}}}
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| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Weather trio}}
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| style="background:#{{steel color light}}" |[[File:483Dialga.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Dialga|{{steel color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:484Palkia.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Palkia|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" |[[File:487Giratina-Origin.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Giratina|{{ghost color dark}}}}
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| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Creation trio}}
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| style="background:#{{fire color light}}" |[[File:643Reshiram.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Reshiram|{{fire color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}" |[[File:644Zekrom.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Zekrom|{{electric color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ice color light}}" |[[File:646Kyurem.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Kyurem|{{ice color dark}}}}
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| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Tao trio}}
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| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}" |[[File:716Xerneas.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Xerneas|{{fairy color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" |[[File:717Yveltal.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Yveltal|{{dark color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:718Zygarde.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Zygarde|{{dragon color dark}}}}
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| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Aura trio|Mortality trio}}
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|}

== Mortality Trio, yet again ==
Quick question here: Why hasn't this been added to the page yet? It's all too obvious, even the shows season has a subtitle of X(erneas)Y(veltal)Z(ygarde). Of course without the names though...[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 05:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

:Well, again it's still not confirmed completely, they've just put <strike>obvious</strike> ''subtle'' hints that they are, once it's outright confirmed then it will be added.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]07:02, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

::The problem with that is that the only way they'd be able to do that now is through the tv show. Gen 7 is coming up now, and Nintendo isn't gonna go and add in a random piece of info like that. Actually, that thinking doesn't even make sense. They have never come out and stated that "these three form a trio." It's just always heavily implied because they usually share common themes. Again: Every trio listed on the page has never been confirmed to exist, they're all just pairings from fans like us with strong evidence to support it. Also, it makes more sense to call them the Yggdrasil Trio, as they are all based on Nordic mythology. [[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 07:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::They could connect them via Gen VII, Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan weren't related until Gen II, so anything can happen. The previous trios were outright confirmed, Giratina was made at the same time Dialga and Palkia were born, Kyurem is the shell of the original dragon (which Reshiram and Zekrom are split from, further hammered in by the combined forms), the Regi's shaped the continent (and their connection is further hammered in by Regigigas), the Beast trio where revived by Ho-oh, and the second movie explains the bird trio (I believe).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 07:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Alright, but what happens if they just don't confirm it? What happens if they leave it off as heavily implied? Also, I'd like to point out that Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan have Hex IDs that come right after each other, AND Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original batch that were created, but we're not put into the original games due to limitations.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 08:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::If they don't confirm it, then nothing happens. They would just be left separated. Where's your source that Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original 190? The index list only has those past Scizor to fill in the blanks, it doesn't indicate anything.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 08:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Actually, I stumbled across this on the official trading card website when I was researching more about he topic. I don't know if it helps, but I'd like to paste it here and see if it's useful: http://xy10.pokemontcgxy.com/en-us/legendary.php.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 09:01, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That just groups them together, it doesn't shed light on ''how'' they're related.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 09:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

== Gen VI Trio ==

I think it is pretty certain by now that gen VI and now VII broke the template and deviated from the path the other games took. With that said, I think there was enough evidence provided in the SS036 episode to verify that Yveltal, Xerneas and Zygarde are all related under an environmental theme. So I purpose we amend the article to include them under Aura Trio, Eco Trio/Environment trio or XYZ Trio. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:48, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:Sycamore says, "I believe both Xerneas and Yveltal are incarnations of nature that take care of the land, that is their task and their purpose. And when the natural order is undone, Zygarde appears in order to balance it. These three powerful Pokemon preside over the neverending cycle of life." Which is pretty compelling.

:I say Aura Trio or Order Trio for the name, preferably Aura Trio. Mortality Trio doesn't make sense with Zygarde, and the Pokémon community calls it mostly by the Aura Trio. But then again, we have chosen fan names in the past over another fan name that is more widely used... --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 13:30, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::I messaged ForceFire yesterday morning, but haven't gotten a response <s>even though I know he/she has been online because of response to other messages</s>. I'm going to link to this discussion on the Zygarde page, and perhaps with another moderator. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 13:55, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Well Mortality was only a placeholder for the Mortality Duo until another fan name was adopted for the two or they were turned into a trio. it was only meant for those two and not meant to apply to a trio. In fact in the earlier days most people had issue with the term "mortality" mistaking it to mean 100% death instead of both life and death. As for the trio, I am leaning more towards Aura Trio since the side game like Pokemon Rumble World make reference to it. That's as cannon as you can get. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Well, we can't really do anything until we get a response. It's been three days since I notified ForceFire. I tried talking to Tiddlywinks and he said that it wasn't his specialty but he'd let ForceFire know. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 14:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Sorry for the delay. The SS036 basis for calling them a trio is good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:44, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::Cool, I'll add it. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 14:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Now that we're considering them a trio, what should be the name we use for them? Since this isn't the only page affected by the change, I was going to start updating others, like [[Legendary Pokémon]] and [[aura trio|mortality duo]], but I realized I can't do a whole lot without knowing our preferred name for the trio (even if it's something as clunky as "mortality duo and Zygarde"). What name should we be using now? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
:Since there's not really an official name I think we should be going by what the fans use most, but I'm not sure what that is. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 20:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::We should just keep it as Aura Trio, since it is being used in Rumble, and the 3 abilities all contain aura. The other fan names are not really as common. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 06:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Aura Trio is fine, it's somewhat/semi official if it was used in Rumble.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F1912B">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F6B775">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#5599CA">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#90BDDC">ire</span>]] 07:24, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
::::Now there is the matter of the article stating all trios have a master. I doubt a general consensus has been reached as to if Zygarde is a master of the trio or not. Everyone was adamant in waiting for a third gen VI game to confirm anything but we got gen VII and in the Moon pokedex entry for Zygarde 100% it states "This is Zygarde's 100% form. It has enough power to overwhelm even Xerneas or Yveltal." and given its Aura Break ability and the fact it was sought out by Blue in the manga to put an end to Xerneas and Yveltal's battle. if these three things are not enough for it to be dubbd a master, then the article should be amended to have the statement about masters removed or reworded.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

== We could add the Legendary Quartet page? ==

Now we have the Musketeers and the Guardian Deities, we could add a page named Legendary Quartet? [[User:Pika fanatic|Pika fanatic]] ([[User talk:Pika fanatic|talk]]) 00:47, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
:Honestly, a page for two groups seems a little bit excessive to me. Duos and trios at least have been a precedent in Pokemon for a while. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 02:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ultra Necrozma ==
Since Ultra Necrozma now has a Base Stat Total well over 600, is considered a Legendary Pokémon, and is not part of a legendary trio, should the trivia about Mewtwo at the bottom of this page be removed? Also, if it's not removed, at least make a reference to the fact that other Legendary Pokémon can achieve higher BSTs with form changes. --[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 02:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

== Tapus ==

I feel that the Tapus (Guardian Deities) should have at least a small mention on the page, possibly about how they take the place of a secondary legendary trio in Gen VII? [[User:Pseudonym|Pseudonym]] ([[User talk:Pseudonym|talk]]) 19:48, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
:They're not a trio, simple as that.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 04:06, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
::Honestly, for me at least, this brings up a bigger point... why don't we just combine the pages for trios and duos, and then include the Tapus, and the Swords of Justice while we're at it, and call it "Legendary groupings" or something? IMO there's nothing intrinsically special about trios and duos that they should be separated from each other, or from the two other groupings I listed. It seems to me like a weird and unnecessary distinction, especially when there are some noteworthy and functionally similar Pokemon left out. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 17:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
:::I agree with this. It would condense the info into an easier form, and we could repurpose the duo and trio pages into redirects [[User:Pseudonym|Pseudonym]] ([[User talk:Pseudonym|talk]]) 19:54, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
::::Celadonkey, you answered your question about why there's a page for duos and trios a couple of sections above. Duos and trios are a common trend in the franchise, hence they get articles. Quartets, or bigger, have only happened twice (I believe?), so they're not that notable. However, I wouldn't be opposed to a page about legendary groupings.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 05:02, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

== Removing Legendary Titans ==

Since {{p|Regieleki}} and {{p|Regidrago}} have been announced, should the Legendary Titans be removed from this page? They are no longer a trio but a quintet. [[User Ratboy Jr.|Ratboy Jr.]] ([[User talk:Ratboy Jr.|talk]]) 20:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
:Sad to see them (sortof) go, but in hindsight, I think moving the Regi trio (and now the Forces of Nature trio as well) to "Former trios" status was the right call. --[[User:AceTrainerAlvaro|AceTrainerAlvaro]] ([[User talk:AceTrainerAlvaro|talk]])  11:44, 29 January 2022 UTC

== Galarian Legendary birds ==

Should the Regional Form version of Legendary Birds be added to the Legendary Trio Page or not?--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 04:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:The Legendary birds are already here. It's the same trio, just different forms. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 14:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::I dunno, this situation is precedent-setting and I happen to disagree. Beyond their aesthetic and competitive differences from the original Kanto trio, I think listing the Galarian birds separately would help clarify that this is the trio introduced for a whole separate region (Galar). Thoughts, [[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F1912B">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F6B775">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#5599CA">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#90BDDC">ire</span>]]? --[[User:AceTrainerAlvaro|AceTrainerAlvaro]] ([[User talk:AceTrainerAlvaro|talk]])  11:44, 29 January 2022 UTC

==Calyrex, Glastrier, and Spectrier==

Considering that Calyrex, Glastrier, and Spectrier are all connected somehow, and there are three of them, I think it's fair to consider them a trio. If they were to add to this page and need a name, maybe something like the Royal Trio would satisfy or something like that. --[[User:Poke28|Poke28]] ([[User talk:Poke28|talk]]) 20:09, 24 Oct 2020 (UTC)
:I disagree. There is clearly a thematic link between all three but competitively, Glastrier and Spectrier are a duo subordinate to Calyrex. Keep in mind Legendary trios generally share the same stat total; Glastrier and Spectrier have base stat totals of 580 compared to Calyrex's 680. These data points alone should settle any further debate. --[[User:AceTrainerAlvaro|AceTrainerAlvaro]] ([[User talk:AceTrainerAlvaro|talk]])  11:44, 29 January 2022 UTC
::Well, Kyurem, Zygarde, and Necrozma already have BSTs different from the others in the trio, with some of their forms having higher ones. I don't see how Calyrex is any different from these. [[User:Mr. Daikon|Mr. Daikon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daikon|talk]]) 17:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

==Page Change==
With the inclusion of Regieleki and Regidrago, the Legendary Titans have lost their trio status. But it has got me thinking, should the page be renamed and include more information on the legendary groups as a whole? Whether or not some groups are trios, its probably a good idea to have a page describe all the groups and relationships between certain Pokemon on one page. There's already a slight debate on this on the Trio Masters page on whether or not it should even exist, as most of the information can be seen on the Legendary Pokemon page. This page on its own doesn't really say much on the trios themselves either and only lists them, but it's strange to me that Pokemon like Regigigas aren't as important topics on the pages of the groups they are a "master" of on the other pages too. What I'm trying to say here is that I think the page should be rewritten to include other groups or at least more information or Pokemon, otherwise its just a random list that leaves out certain Pokemon for some reason. [[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 01:28, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

== Semi-protection status ==

The reason listed for semi-protection is "To prevent new users from adding Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde" but the Aura trio is no longer disputed as a Legendary trio. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 06:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
:While that was the original reason, I don't mind keeping it semi-protected for future trio speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 08:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
::I had a feeling that might be the case. Especially with Generation IX coming up, I think it makes sense to keep it semi-protected. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 09:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

==Legends of Galar Trio status?==
Are the Legends of Galar an official trio? Just curious as this was added into legendary trio page on here.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 14:15, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
:Checking the history section, and it apparently comes from a research task from Pokemon Go. 14:44, 2 December 2022 (UTC) {{unsigned|Animaltamer7}}