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Okay, at the very least this page needs to be revamped. Right now, all of the information on the page can be found on the [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|Diamond and Pearl]] page. Following the precedent set by the pages for Generations [[Generation II|II]] and [[Generation III|III]], this page should include sections on "Advances in Gameplay", "Shinō Starters", "Gym Leaders", and "Other Generation IV games". Hovever, the list of new Pokémon should be removed, especially since it can be found, with annotation, on the Diamond/Pearl page. Also, the information on Shinō should be moved to a new, more complete introduction. Does anyone agree with me? [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 23:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


I think we can take for granted that this page should look like the [[Generation II|II]] and [[Generation III|III]] pages. A new page for the complete list of the Generation IV Pokemon should be created once the games are out; for now I suggest that this list remains in the [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|Diamond and Pearl]] page since it's more frequently visited than this one. --[[User:Arty2|Arty2]] 00:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

==New Developments==
Should some reference be made to the article in Coro Coro about the new game coming out this year? [[User:Kochdude388|Kochdude388]] 23:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Certainly. As soon as it's announced what exactly the new game is, GSDS, DPv3, or something else completely. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

==Pokemon Platinum==
that is the confirmed title according to serebii and corocoro. Giratina will be on the box, the underground will have Wi-Fi, etc. An image of it is on Serebii.{{unsigned|Arutoa]}}

:That scan you looked at is NOT confimred to be legit.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

the scan isn't, but according to serebii, the title is, but serebii's been wrong before. --[[User:Arutoa|Arutoa]] 22:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

==Generation IV with Generation II?==
I just can't understand how Generation I is contemporary with Generation III or how Gens II and IV are contemporary with each other. All I'm seeing is "Generation X is comtemporary with Generation Z" or that "Gen X seems to be contemporary with Gen Z", but where has that been proved?... I'm not saying that's not true, I'm just saying I find that puzzling and interesting. [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 00:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
:Hoenn and Kanto take place at the same time is a weak bet, but it's mostly because you don't need a time machine to trade between the games. Therefore, they must trade at the same time. Gen 2 and 4 are contemporary because of: A. the Red Gyarados report at the start of DP (which must happen before Gold/Crystal captures/defeats the Gyarados), B. References to Elm's RECENT report on eggs, and there are more, but those are two of the big ones. Persumably, it takes 3 years or so for Pokémon to reach Sinnoh (Assuming by land, on foot) from Hoenn or Kanto.{{unsigned|Aura-Knight}}

::At the beginning of RBY, you have a Nes/Snes. At the beginning of RSE, you have a Gamecube. That's pretty odd, because the NES and Gamecube were released more than 10 years apart, how could they take place at the same time? The time machine doesn't necessarily indicate that RSE takes place at the same time as RBY, because since the data for pokemon was available in both FRLG and RSE, then you could freely exchange pokemon and wouldn't need an excuse to only transfer certain pokemon {{unsigned|Edge578}}
:::Remembering of course that the GameCube wasn't invented at the time of RBY, how could they have it in that game? The whole thing is based on a series of hunches, which is explained above. I don't see why it needs to be discussed further. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 20:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

::::As you said before, they couldn't allow GSC pokemon into RBY because they weren't programmed into the game. In RSE, they programmed all 386 pokemon into the game, so using a Time Machine Feature isn't necessary. This does not indicate the chronology of the games.--[[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 23:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:::::Don’t insert your comments in between other people’s that way without use the indents to make it clear who is replying to whom. Um. I guess you could technically be right, but considering that Bill invents a Time Machine in ''G''/''S''/''C'' and calls it such, don’t you think he or Celio would have said something if the Network Machine transported Pokémon through time as well as to distant lands? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, to be fair, Trom, it’s still a NES in ''FR''/''LG''. Which probably just means that it’s a hand-me-down system from the player’s mother/father/cousin/whatever, or Red/Leaf just really loves retro games.
::::Let me put it this way, Edge: the Wii exists now, and I still have my NES. I have at least one friend who ONLY owns an NES, no newer consoles. So, not a timeline problem. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::Wait, when did it say Professor Elm's report on eggs was recent?--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 13:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I think it is the hiker who gives you the Happiny egg in Hearthome. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 21:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::::In fact, I got my Happiny egg from the hiker, and this is what he says: " Hi, hi. Do you want a Pokemon Egg? They found this at the Day Care in Solaceon Town...Want to take it? This is what I heard about eggs. If you take Egg and travel with energetic Pokemon, it'll hatch. I remember someone announced that...Professor Elm of Johto maybe?" [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 01:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Plus, isn’t the stuff in Sinnoh explicitly stated to be 3 years after Kanto, just like Johto is? -[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I guess not, I could not find evidence. But still... althugh I don’t think Pokémon at Pal Park get there on their own. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::The red Gyarados report at the beginning of DPP had a lake with a picture of Mount Coronet in the background. Wouldn't that mean that the Red Gyarados was found in Sinnoh? Plus, the Red Gyarados could just be a shiny Gyarados. It's not necessarily the one that you fought in GSC. The Time Machine in GSC was just a way so you could import your RBY pokemon into GSC. There was no point in making Time Machines in later games, because every pokemon was programmed into each game. I'm sure in HGSS you will be able to import any pokemon you want from FRLG. They probably ditched the whole Time Machine idea because it wasn't necessary. The Egg report is the only '''solid''' piece of evidence that Gen II and Gen IV take place at the same time, at that wasn't confirmed yet. I just don't think it's fair to assume the chronological order of the games when the only evidence we have is minor details.--[[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 01:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The Red Gyarados was NOT found by the expedition on TV. It was just a rumor. We will find out about the time machinesoon enough. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I was quite intrigued by the whole proposition of Gen I/III and Gen II/IV happening at the same time, but I think we should at least provide evidence and references IN THE ARTICLES THEMSELVES that support all these these claims. While the Red Gyrados and Professor Elm egg discovery does indeed imply the connection between II/IV, it certainly isn't watertight - how do we explain the presence of eggs in Ruby and Sapphire? [[User:Delta-v|Delta-v]]
Don't go taking things out of the article just yet. The main reason for the RSEFRLG timeline being one and the same is the inter-region trading with the remake games. With the announcement of HGSS, things are looking in the same direction for Generation IV. On top of the hints (not definite proof, but hints), all the evidence points to the games having the same, or a similar, timeframe. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 01:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'd consider the fact that there's a danged NEWS BULLETIN at the start of DP reflecting the fact that the Red Gyarados is at the very least a ''recent'' event being the ultimate proof. You don't see news companies reporting on stuff six years later, do you? Gen I and III I'll give you a "maybe" on, even though due to FRLG it proves at least ''part'' is contemporaneous, but Gen IV is the one most definitely contemporary to Gen II. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 09:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
::Well they didn’t actually find the thing, and there is no reason to assume this was AFTER Gold/Kris battled it at the Lake of Rage, since characters in ''G''/''S''/''C'' seemed to know about it before that. I would say Jasmine showing up is the best indicator of contemporaneity({{tt|?|is that a word?}}), since she uses her Steelix in contests, and she used to be a Rock-type trainer. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Gym Leaders ==

Can I put it like the Sinnoh page? LIke a Diamond and Pearl and a Platinum gym leader chart?
Here, straight from the [[Sinnoh]] page:

====Diamond/Pearl====
{| border=1 align="left" width=200px style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! #
! Leader
! Type
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 1
| style="background: #{{rock color}}" align="center" | [[Roark]]
| style="background: #{{rock color}}" align="center" | {{t|Rock}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 2
| style="background: #{{grass color}}" align="center" | [[Gardenia]]
| style="background: #{{grass color}}" align="center" | {{t|Grass}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 3
| style="background: #{{fighting color}}" align="center" | [[Maylene]]
| style="background: #{{fighting color}}" align="center" | {{t|Fighting}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 4
| style="background: #{{water color}}" align="center" | [[Crasher Wake]]
| style="background: #{{water color}}" align="center" | {{t|Water}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 5
| style="background: #{{ghost color}}" align="center" | [[Fantina]]
| style="background: #{{ghost color}}" align="center" | {{t|Ghost}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 6
| style="background: #{{steel color}}" align="center" | [[Byron]]
| style="background: #{{steel color}}" align="center" | {{t|Steel}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 7
| style="background: #{{ice color}}" align="center" | [[Candice]]
| style="background: #{{ice color}}" align="center" | {{t|Ice}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 8
| style="background: #{{electric color}}" align="center" | [[Volkner]]
| style="background: #{{electric color}}" align="center" | {{t|Electric}}
|}
<br clear="all">

====Platinum====

{| border=1 align="left" width=200px style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! #
! Leader
! Type
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 1
| style="background: #{{rock color}}" align="center" | [[Roark]]
| style="background: #{{rock color}}" align="center" | {{t|Rock}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 2
| style="background: #{{grass color}}" align="center" | [[Gardenia]]
| style="background: #{{grass color}}" align="center" | {{t|Grass}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 3
| style="background: #{{ghost color}}" align="center" | [[Fantina]]
| style="background: #{{ghost color}}" align="center" | {{t|Ghost}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 4
| style="background: #{{fighting color}}" align="center" | [[Maylene]]
| style="background: #{{fighting color}}" align="center" | {{t|Fighting}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 5
| style="background: #{{water color}}" align="center" | [[Crasher Wake]]
| style="background: #{{water color}}" align="center" | {{t|Water}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 6
| style="background: #{{steel color}}" align="center" | [[Byron]]
| style="background: #{{steel color}}" align="center" | {{t|Steel}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 7
| style="background: #{{ice color}}" align="center" | [[Candice]]
| style="background: #{{ice color}}" align="center" | {{t|Ice}}
|-
! style="background: #C0C0FF;" | 8
| style="background: #{{electric color}}" align="center" | [[Volkner]]
| style="background: #{{electric color}}" align="center" | {{t|Electric}}
|}
<br clear="all">

So? Should I put it? I'll be looking for an answer.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/Secret Page|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 02:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, because it changed. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 03:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, I've done it. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 08:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Starters ==

I'm just wondering, do we have any physical evidence of the dark, fighting, and psychic starter trio? [[User:MiekL94|--MiekL94]] 20:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:See Coronis, or just look it up on Google. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 21:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

==Kanto?== 
recently I have been looking at some of the Kanto cities, routes and locations and many (if not all) of the pages seem to reference them as being part of generation IV?  Is this just because of Pal Park possible data because that seems to hardly count as being a part of generation IV...  Is there any confirmation that Kanto will be fully accessible in HeartGold/SoulSilver yet?  If not, this shouldn't be assumed... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 04:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Remake. Was all of Gen I Kanto accessible in FRLG? Find a place from RGBY that didn't appear in FRLG. Kanto's in HGSS, and since it's a '''''remake''''' it's safe to say that '''''every place in Neo Kanto will be there as it was in GS'''''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 05:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Let’s hope you’re only half-right. I could deal with Viridian Forest still having trees and the various routes not being shortened, maybe an open Safari Zone? All positive as far as retcons go, Gen II Kanto was lame. I am pretty sure that with Sinnoh being that large, they could fit a more robust Kanto right in with Johto on the DS cart. Nintendo made a number of retcon improvements in ''FR''/''LG'', let’s hope they remain unafraid in ''HG''/''SS''. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

== Legendaries ==

Assuming that all rumors assumed true, then if one has gone to every nintendo event then with HGSS, (And Dongle) the only need for pal park would be the Kanto and Hoenn Starters, as every pokemon, minus the starters and legionaries of previous gens would be obtainable through some method in HGSS and Platinum. I'll run through them:

*Kanto Trio: Roaming in platinum
*Mewtwo: assumed to be in HGSS
*Mew: My Pokemon ranch
*Johto Legionaries: in HGSS (Amusing Celebi event)
*Weather Trio: In HGSS
*Eon Pokemon: HGSS
*Jirachi, Deoxys: Were done by events, Jirachi recently, Deoxys last year.
*Regis: Event Regigigas

They're outsourcing GBA games.

[[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 19:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:It may appear so, but this remains speculation until the "{{tt|assumed|amused?}}" legendaries are confirmed. The Eons aren't in HGSS, though, are they? &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 21:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::They were said to roam Johto, but it was just like the Mewtwo thing: completely unsubstantiated rumor before the last round of scans were fully translated. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:Legionaries? And that’s not what the word “outsourcing” means. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Johto Gym Leaders? ==
They have gym leaders in Johto, right? Coz if they do, this article should be tagged with {{template|incomplete}} because the Johto gym leaders section needs to be created. [[User:Silver Eevee|<font color="orange">Silver Eevee</font>]] <small><sub>[[User talk:Silver Eevee|<font color="purple">talk?</font>]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|<font color="green">contribs!</font>]]</sup></small> 10:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:Not yet.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DAA520">'''F'''</span>]][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#DAA520">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">'''F'''</span>]][[Lugia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">ire</span>]] 10:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Gym Leader Error ==

It says the leader of Mahogany is Professor Oak, which is obviously incorrect.

I'd fix it myself, but the page is protected. --[[User:TW|TW]] 20:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:How'd that happen. Fixed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 22:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Gym Leader Line-Up ==

Why is it that the Sinnoh Gym Leaders are in their Diamond\Pearl order instead of their Platinum order?
[[User:Kingofun|Kingofun]] 13:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:I believe they are listed in the DP order on the Pt Badge Case. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 23:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:Ok
[[User:Kingofun|Kingofun]] 00:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Add please ==

Someone add '''[[:a:File:SoulSilver title.png|this]]''' somewhere please, don't delete the Diamond one though. <span style="font-family:Cracked; font-size:125%"><sup>[[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|<span style="color:#303030;">tc</span>]]</sup>[[User:Tc26|<span style="color:#e03828;">²₆</span>]][[User talk:Tc26|<span style="color:#303030;">tc</span>]]<sub>[[User:Tc26/Sandbox|<span style="color:#e03828;">26</span>]]</sub></span> 11:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto Picture ==

FireRed and LeafGreen are NOT Generation IV. Someone needs to put a HeartGold/SoulSiver Kanto pic n there. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]]  [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 14:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:We are still trying to find one. There is a picture of Kanto, but it is covered by the Kanto Gym Leaders. So the picture of Kanto stays there.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#003366">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#8C92AC">''Blue''</span>]]''' 15:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::Still hoping that some American source would give us the full map. Possibly the official NP or Prima Guide. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== I'm against SoulSilver being the head image for Generation IV ==

Generation IV is mainly about Diamond and Pearl. Those are the games that launched it. The infobox colors are also in the DP color scheme. I realize that everyone likes HGSS better but those games don't deserve to be the representation of Gen IV over Diamond and Pearl. Gold and Silver had their time in Generation II. Let Diamond and Pearl have theirs. Look at Generation III's article. Ruby is the head image. Not LeafGreen.

Anyone have comments on this? --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 22:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:It switches between all the title screens for Gen IV games.... >____> ▫▪''[[User:Tina|<span style="color:#d93f91;">Ťïňắ</span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#ae41d9;">♫</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#d941cf;">♥</span>]]</sup> 22:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::It does? LOL. My bad. I can't tell by looking at the page. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 22:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'll have to agree with Kenji though. Lugia and Ho-Oh were first featured in Generation II. Users will start freaking out and say that it's not true and subsequently remove the images in question. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#FF1111"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#DAA520"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 22:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokemon Trivia ==

So far, Sinnoh Generation IV has introduced the largest amount of legendaries so far. I wanted to add this trivia, but I can't seem to edit it. I'm assuming the admins have locked it, so could someone please add this? Thank you.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:40, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Thematic Motif ==

How come there isn't a Sinnoh Thematic Motif?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:30, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
:Because no one's written one yet. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 07:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
::Oh. *facepalms at my own stupidity*--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 08:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
:::ok i wrote it and i think its pretty goood but i cant seem to put it where i want it to be could someone help me 14sonicstar-the highlinker-
::::Good job. Cold and I fixed up the errors you made. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 07:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Sawamular posted this [http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/024/24648/ interview] in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_and_White_Versions#This_theme_is_.22Opposite_poles.28.E5.AF.BE.E6.A5.B5.29.22. here] a few weeks ago. The theme is "究極を目指して", something about "aiming for the ultimate".[[User:Chao|Chao]] 17:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==VS Sprites==
Or whatever they're actually called. Wouldn't the introduction of these into Platinum be noteworthy? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 15:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

== Who calls it '3D Generation'? ==

To be honest, I find that term very inaccurate... Despite the fact that 3D graphics are attempted for the first time in Generation IV, neither DPPt nor HGSS are characterized by that. In fact, camera and movement-wise the games don't show their '3D convertion' that much. Furthermore, the fact that the battles are completely in 2D with no effects in that (in contrast to BW) whatsoever, makes it even harder to think of this generation as the '3D Generation'. 

Out of all possible names, 'Touch Generation', 'Dual Generation', why '3D'? Isn't the point of naming Generations sticking them a name fans actually use, or at least one that fits? Ideally, I don't think there should be a "fan name" for Generation IV (or V, for all it matters), but at this point, I would say that 'Dual' is the most accurate out of the three (considering not even the Touchscreen was used that much besides in menus, until PokéAthlon); funny thing, 'Dual' was actually used for a while, back when people actually called the generations by fan-coined terms instead of numbers. But it just didn't stick in the end.

Is the named stuck for good, or is there hope for changing it? -[[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 07:28, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

== Changes from Generation III ==

I think this should be moved to it's own page and have all the changes list on it.

== First paragraphs ==

Can someone please rewrite the article's introduction paragraphs? They are full of redundant and useless information. I would if I had more time, but all I can do is ask. Thank you. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 16:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== Move this page ==
The Pokémon Company officially calls this generation the "fourth generation". I suppose that there's a possibility to move "Generation IV" to "Fourth generation" per [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Games#Move generation pages|here]]. --[[User:SaturnMario|<font color="#034112">SaturnMario</font>]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|<font color="#078325">his talk</font>]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|<font color="#83C192">his contributions</font>]] 15:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Do not move this page ==

I don't think this page should be moved, as everyone will have to search up "Fourth Generation" instead of the "Generation IV" that everyone is used to. Additionally, Gen 4 has become more popular since Legends: Arceus was released, making this change even worse. Also, moving this page means having to move EVERY OTHER GENERATION to a new page to match this one (that means 8 more pages), which is not only tedious, but also a waste of time. This page should not be moved. 

[[User:Lugia+Ho-Oh|Lugia+Ho-Oh]] ([[User talk:Lugia+Ho-Oh|talk]]) 23:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
:Moving all nine articles is just a matter of a couple minutes, surely it won't hurt or be that tedious to "waste" as little time as that. And no one would have to search "Fourth Generation", becase there would still be redirects from "genereation iv", "generation 4", and any other popular variation. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 07:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)