Talk:Cyllene

Cyrus

"She is an ancestor of Cyrus, the leader of Team Galactic of the modern day."

"Dialogue between her and Kamado features Cyllene, upon hearing that Galaxy Team may disband in the future, vowing to pass down its name and accomplishments to her descendants. This confirms that Cyllene is related to the leader of modern day Team Galactic, Cyrus."

I disagree that this is confirmation. It suggests it, which I think is okay to point out, but we should not act like this is 100% confirmation. In all likelihood, that is GameFreak's intention, but it's still speculation, and we shouldn't pass off speculation as fact. Landfish7 07:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

very much agree with this. Realistically, it’s pretty clear all the “look alike” characters are intended to be ancestors. But just because someone looks the same doesn’t mean they’re related, we have to go in with this with the idea that they’re unrelated unless they say so. This bit of dialogue only suggests that Cyllene intends to pass down the information to her or other members’ children. We don’t really even know if she actually gets descendants and if she does, we don’t know who they are. Assuming she’s related to Cyrus falls into speculation.TrainerSplash (talk) 10:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I read the speculation policy, and it does NOT say «No speculation or inferences, basta.» The nutshell sign says: «Avoid speculation on Bulbapedia; making inferences should be limited». The page defines speculation as any rumor, presumption, or unconfirmed fact edited into the wiki by a user without a reliable source or citation to back up the claim. Based on the policy page, the most we can do is expressing doubt, but not to the same extent as Lian for instance.--MissDelibirda (talk) 12:34, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm actually sick of seeing "X bears a striking resemblance to Y, but the relationship between the two, if any, is unknown." on almost every LA-related character article, which I find to be trivial and redundant. And in Volo's case, as shown by the trivia section on his article, the game makes it extremely clear that he is Cynthia's ancestor without explicitly stating it. - unsigned comment from Inkster (talk • contribs)

But I agree with Cyllene here, that fialogue doesn't confirm anything.Inkster (talk) 13:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I didn't say no speculation was allowed. The problem is that the quote given is entirely based on assumption. There's nothing here that implies both Galaxy Team and and Team Galactic are related at all side from symbols and name, and there's nothing that implies Cyllene is related to Cyrus, just that she is thinking about having descendants. Resemblance is uncanny, and it's pretty clear that they were intended to be parallels, but that doesn't suggest anything other than that. There's no "confirmation" here, it's all assumption, and the citation should at least remove that bit and say it's based on assumption. TrainerSplash (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Bumping this. So far, the consensus appears to be against referring to Cyrus as Cyllene's confirmed ancestor. Landfish7 01:32, 12 May 2022 (UTC)