Talk:Regional form

Portuguese

You can add "Variante regional" for Brazilian Portuguese on "In other languages" seciton. Muriloricci (talk) 16:03, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Is "Regional variant" an official term?

Is this an official term? I know Alolan Forme is, but is this as well?Trainer Yusuf (talk) 12:44, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes: http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/ glik^glak 14:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Arbok

Shouldn't Arbok's regional forms be listed here? If I remember correctly, its pattern changes in every region in which it appears. Menace64 (talk) 02:24, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

This is a formal thing. If Arbok is not identified as a "regional variant", it's not one.

Also, regional variants are fundamentally pretty significantly different from the rest of their species; they've adapted. Differing patterns is neither significant nor a real adaptation. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Alolan Variants Should Have Their Own Pages

I don't think it's fair that Alolan variant Pokemon are only side notes on their "normal variant" pages. These Alolan formes are not like Hoopa Unbound or Arial Shaymin. Those Pokemon eventually find ways of returning to their original formes. These Alolan formes are inherent to the Pokemon, they will never change into their "normal" counterpart. They will have different abilities, different move sets, different typings. I think they merit having their own pages. For example keep the regular Ninetales page, and add another one entitled Ninetales (Alola). - unsigned comment from Milotic1209 (talk • contribs)

We literally have no information about them except for the appearances, types, and some of their abilities. We don't have enough info to have their own pages, and even if we did, it's still a Vulpix, it's still a Ninetails...they aren't brand new Pokémon altogether. --HoennMaster 06:31, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

We have seen Alolan Ninetales use Ice Beam, at least. Sky Shaymin would make for a fair base, what with Air Slash exclusivity there. Phineas81707 (talk) 02:12, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

But people give new Pokemon Bulbapedia entries all the time without knowing what their full set list, abilities, evolution levels, etc. are going to be. Bewear alrealdy has a page, so that argument is kind of moot. In the case of Alolan Variants, every time one has been revealed we've gotten typing and even abilities, so we definitely have enough to start building pages for them and then fill them out completely once we know all the details. And yes it is still a Vulpix and Ninetales, but with a completely different appearance, diifferent abilities, I think that if we keep adding variants to the pages of "normal" Pokemon, it's going to start looking REALLY messy. I mean what if two generations down the line there's a ground typed Ninetales, are we seriously going to have all three versions on the same page? Crowded much? - unsigned comment from Milotic1209 (talk • contribs)

There have already been Pokémon with different forms that had significant differences. They all fit on one page just fine. glik^glak 16:06, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Fine, whatever. It seems most people are ok with everything being on one page. It seems to me that having regional variants of a Pokemon is a pretty momentous thing, that deserves more of a spotlight, but if no one really cares, then I give up. :P Milotic1209 (talk) 16:12, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

All Pokémon get their own page. That's why Bewear and all the Generation VII Pokémon have pages already. It's a different scenario. --HoennMaster 19:35, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

I agree that having new pages for alernate formes is a bit redundant, but for pokemon like Rotom or Arceus that have a lot of different typings or others like Alolan Vulpix that have very different learnset things can get a bit confusing. Is it possible to just hide the "alternative forms" typing matchups and learnset in the same way older generation moveset are hidden (even if it technically means creating a new page, but still not a whole new page for the same Pokémon, so it could be acceptable i think?) Or with some code that just changes the section of the tab that is shown in the article by clicking on the desired choice. This could be particulary useful for things like the weakness and resistance tab of pokemon like rotom or arceus and the pokeathlon stats of Arceus, just listing examples that come to my mind.Verucieru (talk) 13:21, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Descriptions

What I mean by descriptions is the explanation that the official website uses for how the Pokémon developed these changes. For example, Meowth was a gift to the Alolan royal line from another region, and they developed a spoiled lifestyle, and then the Alolan monarchy fell, leaving the Alolan Meowth to become feral, and then they became normal Pokémon. So, I'm asking if these should go somewhere on Bulbapedia, and if they should, then where? Here, or on the pages for the individual Pokémon? MarioMiner (talk) 21:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

They're on the species pages (or will be added soonish). Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Generation I only

At the moment, I believe there should be something on the page stating that thus far, only Pokemon from Generation I have regional variants. Superjustinbros. (talk) 03:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

No. It'll be just fine to wait for anything like that until the game is out and we know for sure. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

It was confirmed in a recent interview that all Alolan Pokemon are Generation 1 Pokemon because of the 20th Anniversary, I think it's worth noting that now. TrainerSplash (talk)

Which interview was that? Could you link it here? --SnorlaxMonster 01:59, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

http://time.com/4536438/pokemon-sun-moon-interview/ Mostly it comes from the quote "we have in the Alola region these specific regional variances of existing Pokémon. A lot of players from the original games will see their old favorites, but with new takes." Superjustinbros. (talk) 05:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Alolan Rattata's typing origin for the trivia page

I'm going to post this here since no one is going to look at the Rattata discussion page

In Hawaii, the mongoose was introduced to keep the rat population under control, but the mongoose that they introduced was active during the day. The rat was nocturnal. The mongoose has actually been causing problems for the local bird populations. I first learned about it from an episode of Hawaii 5-0 (Season 4 Episode 2), but here's a little more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species_in_Hawaii#Historical_examples Srushj11 (talk) 03:34, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Mechanics

So, for certain Pokémon where only the evolved form is a regional variant (Exeggutor, Marowak, Raichu), do we know the exact mechanics of how this works? Example - would any Cubone evolve into a Marowak at night in Alola, or only a Cubone originating from the region? Further, (and I understand we won't really know this until there's external future games, but it's something to consider) would a Cubone originating from Alola evolve into a Ghost/Fire Marowak in another game? I thought these questions might be helpful in narrowing down some specifics. Mostly, I got wondering about this because I thought the branched evolutions on Cubone, Exeggcute, and Pikachu's page (and their evolution lines' pages, of course) might benefit from specifying "in Alola" or "from Alola". I understand if I'm overthinking this. Draceon (talk) 05:55, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've heard from other folks, all such Pokémon that are native to Alola can only evolve into the Alola Form and all those that the game does not recognize as native to Alola (so either transferred from an older game, or hacked to appear transferred from an older game) can only evolve into the standard form. I'm not sure whether this is determined by the black clover or some other method. And I'm just reporting secondhand, for that matter, so I can't confirm for certain. I and/or my source might well have misunderstood the mechanics. Once Pokémon Bank is updated it'll be a lot easier for folks to figure it out for sure. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:16, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Article naming

So, say if a trainer in the anime catches an alolan form of a pokemon, what would the name of the article be? Example: Ash's Alolan Raticate, or just Ash's Raticate?-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 08:03, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

It would be "Ash's Diglett" etc. if Ash catches an Alolan Diglett etc. Compare Zoey's Gastrodon. (I specifically avoided "Ash's Raticate" because he already owned one, so that might be a bit tricky to deal with.) --SnorlaxMonster 08:38, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

It's possible we would follow the precedent set by James' second Victreebel. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Trivia

• Geodude and its evolutionary relatives are the only three-stage evolutionary line to receive Alola forms.

Can we add this trivia? --AwesomeDJPokémon 15:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it's notable. It's clearly evident from glancing casually at the list in the article. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:41, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Sinnoh

I think Shellos and Gastrodon's variations technically count as regional variants. What do you think? - unsigned comment from Pescavelho (talk • contribs)

That's more of a coastal difference, since the two forms are only for which side of the region their from, being east and west.Animaltamer712:35, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

More importantly, it's not canonically identified as a regional variant. Therefore, it's not one. We can't deal in speculation and cruft. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Kanto

At the end of the game, Hau mentions that the player's mom's Meowth is "Kantonian" would this be notable to put anywhere? I was thinking to include it under the Kanto page under it's own trivia section similar to how the Kalos one mentions that the adjective term for Kalos is Kalosian. But knowing how it might just refer to the type of Meowth found in Kanto would it be worth adding here instead? TrainerSplash (talk) 06:42, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Normal Meowth are definitely not only found in Kanto. And Hau could have just been playing around. Unless that specific term is used a lot more, we probably shouldn't jump on it for an "official" regional form. Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Breeding Trivia

Is it worth mentioning that a Pokémon that has an Alolan form can pass their Hidden Ability to their Alolan form via breeding? I just bred a Grimer with Poison Touch, and the Egg hatched into an Alolan Grimer with Power of Alchemy. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 18:18, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Hidden Abilities (and regular Abilities, for that matter) work off "slots", so this is to be expected. I think it might be worth mentioning on the inheritance section of Ability, but I'm not sure if it's worth noting here, and it certainly wouldn't be appropriate for Trivia. If it goes on this page, it should be worked into the actual main prose of the article somewhere. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:31, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

can someone explain this bit?

"if a Pokémon evolves from a species that does not have a regional variant to one that does, then, in Alola, it will always evolve into its Alola Form and cannot evolve into its normal form." I don't understand it --Draph91 (talk) 20:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

An example: Cubone doesn't have an Alolan form, but Marowak does have one. If a Cubone evolves in the Alola region, it will always evolve into Alolan Marowak and not into a regular Marowak. Satsjoe (talk) 20:12, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

oh I understand now --Draph91 (talk) 11:31, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Regional Variant vs. Regional Form

Would we have to change/redirect the page's name to reflect the new name for the concept? PDL (talk) 23:15, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

• This is good possibility with the new recon name, ultimately we need the admins vote on this matter.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 01:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I'd rather wait until the game comes out before we move any pages. If in-game they're "regional variants" still, despite the promotional material for the games using "regional form", then we should keep the page at the former. --SnorlaxMonster 10:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Regional Evolutions

Shouldn't we have a separate catergory for galarian evolutions - - unsigned comment from Shinx089 (talk • contribs)

Do you mean a category like Pokémon that only evolve in Galar? --SnorlaxMonster 02:50, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Can we give regional evolution a section on this page?It make the Galrian From section less chunky and more balanced? It will make things more fair and easy to find.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 17:43, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Huge templates

The templates in this page that compare the regional variants to the originals are way too large to display properly in my browser. Think we can tone down the size of them? Mr. Daikon (talk) 22:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I second this. Viewing the page while logged in is okay, but when I'm logged out the Galarian table gets partially cut off because it's so wide. Maybe the stats could be compressed into a single column per form instead of four to reduce width. Croaker (talk) 12:55, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm logged in and Galar is being cut off (Alola is fine). I think the best way might be to shrink the images from 150px to 120, 100 etc Pallukun (talk) 23:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Individual pages

This page has existed for a couple months now, and I think it needs to be mainspaced, along with individual pages for other regional forms.

I understand that there are certain non-regional Pokemon with significant differences that have all fit on one page, but with new Galarian forms, especially Pokemon like Meowth and Darmanitan, pages and infoboxes are getting really clunky and confusing, much more so than Pokemon like Deoxys or Wormadam, for example. Outside of name and number, regional forms act, function, and are treated like effectively different Pokemon. --celadonk (talk) 17:32, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Alolan Envoronment

Apart from Alolan Forms, according to Pokedex some Pokemon also differ in Alola. I don't know if it has any significance, but these Pokemon are:

(Poliwrath) Poliwrath in the Alola region are strong swimmers that use the breaststroke. Many children learn to swim by imitating Poliwrath.
(Delibird) Although it naturally prefers colder locales, Delibird in Alola seem able to withstand the heat to a certain extent.
(Makuhita) It was originally brought in from another region, but now Makuhita from Alola are more famous.
(Snorunt) Their numbers seem to have rapidly increased in Alola. Custom has it that houses where Snorunt live will be prosperous for generations to come.
(Exeggutor) Alola is the best environment for this Pokémon. Local people take pride in its appearance, saying this is how Exeggutor ought to look.
(Tauros) Although it’s known to be a fierce Pokémon, Tauros in the Alola region are said to possess a measure of calmness.
(Paras) Whether it’s due to a lack of moisture or a lack of nutrients, in Alola the mushrooms on Paras don’t grow up quite right.
(Seel) It has always been supposed that Seel live only in cold seas. Their having shown up in Alola is a mystery.
(Jynx) It sways its hips to a rhythm all its own. The precise movements of Jynx living in Alola are truly wonderful.
(Pinsir) It gets into territorial disputes with Vikavolt. For some reason, it apparently gets along well with Heracross in Alola.
(Ledyba) This Pokémon is very sensitive to cold. In the warmth of Alola, it appears quite lively.
(Corsola) The pink of Corsola that live in Alola is deep and vibrant, thanks to seas filled with nutrition.
(Tropius) The bunches of fruit growing around the necks of Tropius in Alola are especially sweet compared to those in other regions.
(Gorebyss) The color of its body changes with the water temperature. The coloration of Gorebyss in Alola is almost blindingly vivid.
(Stoutland) It pays no mind to the cold, thanks to its long warm coat. Stoutland in Alola look a little uncomfortable.
(Sandile) Alola, where it’s warm all year round, is a comfortable environment for this Pokémon. Sometimes you’ll even see it outside of deserts.
(Vanillish) It sprays its enemies with grains of ice to freeze them. Most Vanillish in Alola are smaller than average.

--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 14:20, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

I would say it could offer info to individual pages but for regional forms it has no place, considering it's more focused on the physical, typing, abilities, etc. changes to a Pokémon rather than small adaptations noted only in the Dex. --Brawlersinthezone (talk) 04:37, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Galarian Slowbro, Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres

Please add Galarian Slowbro, Zapdos, and Moltres to this list.- unsigned comment from GlowstoneLove (talk • contribs)

They've been added. --Spriteit (talk) 00:34, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Galarian Slowking

Should a space for Galarian Slowking be added, or should we wait since it hasn't been officially revealed yet? --Ratboy Jr. (talk) 18:26, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Let's wait till we actually have some information on it first. --Spriteit (talk) 05:39, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Request to move the TCG section to its own page

As of currently, the TCG template is becoming massive and should probably warrant its own page considering how many cards have been added. If there were only a few I would understand, but I believe now that it takes way too much space. --Brawlersinthezone (talk) 04:37, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

It's still well below the point where we'd usually considering moving it over to its new page. I think we can push it a little while yet. --Spriteit (talk) 08:30, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Height/Weight

Do the tables really need these details? Even moves are not supposed to be there and these are much more important differences between forms.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Looking at the heights/weights, it seems useful to keep them, given that some Pokémon have drastic changes in those stats between forms. –Butterfreeism (talk) 18:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, there are too many move differences to consider adding. It'll make the template/page look overcrowded. Heights/weight are at least practical and reasonable as to not make the page look crowded.--ForceFire 04:55, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Galarian Weezing signature ability/move

According to the Trivia section, only Galarian Slowbro and Stunfisk have both a signature move and ability. However, Galarian Weezing has a signature move (Strange Steam) and signature ability (Neutralizing Gas). Should we change this, or does Neutralizing Gas not count because Kantonian Weezing gets it as well? - unsigned comment from Sunfishy (talk • contribs)

You just answered your own question.--ForceFire 04:55, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Regional evolutions in the TCG

I have a question on whether we should list the regional evolutions (such as Obstagoon, etc.) in the "In the TCG" section. If the TCG section is there solely for what the games count as regional forms, then it makes sense to avoid listing them, however if we are considering regional forms as a mechanic (similar to Ultra Beasts), then it would make sense to include them, as they would be affected by all cards that specify a Pokémon with "Galarian" in the name (similar to how Necrozma's forms are listed on the Ultra Beasts TCG page despite not being classified as Ultra Beasts in-game). I feel like this should be resolved before we get too much further into the generation. Mr. Daikon (talk) 19:01, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

splitting

I think regional varients should be split into their own pages. makes things a lot more clear and removes a lot of clutter and i thikn its better to only find info for the form you have. like if you have an alolan vulpix, you get only info for alolan vulpix.Roserade57 (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Breeding

However, if one of the parents of the same evolutionary family held an Everstone when the Egg was produced, the offspring will be the same form as that parent.

What happens when we breed Kantonian and Alolan Meowth, both with Everstone, in Galar?--Rocket Grunt 14:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Does it matter that we're not in a region that is any parent's form? (Would the result even be different if we were in Alola rather than Galar; or we're in Galar and it's Galarian Meowth rather than Alolan?) Nescientist (talk) 19:17, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

It shouldn't really matter, we just need to know what will happen if both parents hold Everstone, but in Galar it would be more certain.--Rocket Grunt 13:18, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

References for added forms

I'm biased towards including references for information when it's easily available. I used the official version notes as references for the Galarian forms added in the Expansion Pass, but it got deleted. What do you all think about including references for these newly added forms? –Butterfreeism (talk) 19:46, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

The references that you added didn't really add anything to the page. The versions in which the newer forms exist is already marked. --celadonk (talk) 22:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying! –Butterfreeism (talk) 17:14, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Kleavor

Hi guys, I'm new to Bulbapedia. I just tried to add a Hisusian Scyther to the list of Husui regional forms, then realised that it was evolution of Scyther. I deleted all I had changed, but the table went really long. Can someone please fix this and I'm really sorry. - unsigned comment from LucarioLover197 (talk • contribs)

Regarding Hisuian Form Abilities

Could someone care to explain where we're getting this information about the Abilities of Hisuian Forms? Because... Legends: Arceus doesn't have Abilities. At least not on the summary screens. Regigigas still can't get it going at the start, but Darkrai's not giving anyone Bad Dreams, so I have no idea where this information is coming from. Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 19:25, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Datamine. Abilities are mentioned in the PLA code.--Rocket Grunt 19:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I... feel like that merits mention on the page. I'm gonna add a reference; here's hoping I don't frick the table up too much. Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 20:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

All Hisuian forms have signature moves except Arcanine

All fully evolved Hisuian Form Pokémon and/or their regional evolved forms have a signature move except Arcanine. It gets the new move Raging Fury, but so does Infernape. Does this fun fact warrant a bullet point in the trivia section? - unsigned comment from Danward (talk • contribs)

It might warrant a point on Arcanine's page, but probably not here. --celadonk (talk) 14:52, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Wait...are you forgetting about Basculegion and Ursaluna? They also share new moves with Empoleon and Torterra, respectively. I really like this detail. - unsigned comment from IMDCombee (talk • contribs)

It just means they're not signature moves. Not really anything worth noting, I don't think. --celadonk (talk) 19:04, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

White-Striped Basculin

Both the mobile and Switch versions of Pokemon HOME count White-Striped Basculin as a Hisuian Form in the Pokedex search filters. Seems pretty unambiguous to consider it a proper regional form at this point. --Mr. Bonding (talk) 23:37, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, this is now confirmed by HOME version 2.0.0. I have gone ahead and updated the page. —Legoless (talk) 13:14, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Paldean Wooper

Paldean Wooper art is a screenshot of the Pokémon Presents can someone put the actual HD official artwork. --Neos (talk) 00:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

it already does (if you look at the file history on the Paldean Wooper image); it's just that BP servers tends to get really slow when it comes to updating images on the mon pages? like i remember when "long Lechonk" (a Lechonk png squished vertically for some reason) was on Lechonk's infobox for like two weeks Anzasquiddles (talk) 01:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

ok i figured it out; you need to clear your cache for the specific page. so you open the Regional form page, and if you're on Chrome you press Ctrl+F5 (or Ctrl+Fn+F5), and the latest version of the Paldean Wooper image should load properly Anzasquiddles (talk) 04:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for not responding I didn't enter to this page for a couple of days it worked, now I use this for a lot of pages and is fantastic, thanks --Neos (talk) 18:40, 16 August 2022 (UTC)