Talk:Scizor (Pokémon)

Seeing red

In the episode Showdown at Dark City it was stated that Scyther hate the color red. So how can it evolve into the Red pokemon Scizor?SLE_Aman

Well, for one thing, Scizor wasn't created yet. Secondly, Scyther and Scizor are two different Pokémon, and how one feels probably doesn't affect the other upon evolution. Thirdly, it was never shown other than in that episode, and was probably just a reference to the myth that bulls hate the colour red (it's actually the waving of the cape that makes them charge; it could be powder blue for all they care). --DarkfireTaimatsu 06:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if Scizor hates green. xD --Ricco 14:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Platinum Sprites

Why do the Female Platinum Sprites show it's second pose? People are going to think that the female has a whole different pose than the male! We should keep the same pose, especially since it is MUCH easier to see the gender difference if they use the same pose... And isn't that one of the whole reasons we display both male and female sprites?~m190049^~talk 05:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Male and female sprites need to show the same pose. SharKing 23:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's been over 2 weeks and no one has fixed the Sprite Problem. I would do it; but I live in the US, and don't own a copy of Plt. §hin¥£iΨ@chµ 21:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry i have it. Its also obvious that the shiny 'female' sprite is edited since ther is a black background in spaces. Hellkaiserryo12 23:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Type Advantage

This article claims that Scizor has a type advantage over Swellow... but I'm sure it doesn't? Gastly's mama 18:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

RSE Sprites

Should someone say in the trivia that the RSE Sprites are orange while GSC Sprites were red?--Pokelova 03:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit request

Which hopefully isn't ignored like all my others In the Trivia section:

*Scizor has the highest [[Attack]] stat of all [[Bug]] type [[Pokemon]] and is second only to {{p|Metagross}} for highest [[Attack]] of all [[Steel]] type [[Pokemon]].
Should be:
*Scizor has the highest {{stat|Attack}} stat of all {{type2|Bug}} [[Pokémon]] and is second only to {{p|Metagross}} for highest {{stat|Attack}} of all {{type2|Steel}} [[Pokémon]].--Liquid ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 22:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

We're ignoring them for a reason. Having few intervening edits will make it easier to change the template again if we need to. Hopefully this whole thing will blow over soon and you can fix it yourself. —darklordtrom 22:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Learn your freakin' math.

"Scizor has the highest powered priority move as of Platinum, Bullet Punch, counting Technician and STAB."

Not true at all. That title still belongs to Absol's Sucker Punch. They have the same Attack, and...

With STAB and Technician, Bullet Punch has 90 base Power.

With STAB, Sucker Punch has 120 base Power.

That is all. SharKing _Productions 04:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

True, but is this only for variations of Quick-Attack, or for all priority? Because Sucker Punch won't have any effect if the opponent isn't using a damaging attack. R.A. Hunter Blade 16:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

It's based the power of all priority moves, not just Quick Attack variants. It also doesn't matter if it misses/fails; the comparison is based solely on how powerful the move is. In that comparison, Absol's Sucker Punch reigns supreme. SharKing _Productions 18:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

sprite replacement

Could anyone replace scizor's Platinum shiny male sprite? Its slighty different colored than the other shiny sprites. Thanks. Nickvang 18:41, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Not available to be seen without trading.

Hello, there. On Golem's and Mandibuzz's page it is mentioned that they can't be seen in the PokéDex without trading. And I think that applies to Scizor as well.

However, there is a chance I might be wrong and there is an in-game trainer I'm not aware of.

I mean, I did think that Ledian was like that but since somebody reverted my edit and pointed out that I was wrong, but if I'm right that there is no in-game trainer that has a Scizor, it might be worth adding to the trivia section.

I promise you, I will not make that edit unless people agree with me. So what do you guys say? TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 21:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Double Team?

Scyther learns Double Team at level 37. However, according the the page, Scizor only learns it via TM and cannot learn it via prior evolution, obviously being contradictory. Should this be changed? - unsigned comment from Dralcax (talk • contribs)

That stuff is only for moves that can be learned only by previous stage. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit Obtainable in isle of armor

I was able to catch a Scizor in Pokémon shield on the isle of armor. It was on the challenge road during a sandstorm. Ohio.medic (talk) 18:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

X Y ORAS back sprite

Hey guys, I found the back sprite for male Scizor in XYORAS, but it’s not letting me put the file in. Can I get a little help with that? Thanks! --- unsigned comment from Yoshibomb (talk • contribs)

You'll need to do that via the archives, it depends on how you got them though if they were taken from another website we can't use them. --Spriteit (talk) 13:48, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

resemblance to crustaceans

pincers are very much a characteristic feature of crustaceans, so much so that they are nostly associated with it (even though not all of them have it) mantises, to my knowledge, have no pincer-like appendages crabs have pincers, imo when most poeple think of pincees they think of crabs, it is like the trunk of an elephant, feathers of a bird, shell of a turtle, pignose of a pig (all associated to these animals but not necessarily unique to them) the only other group of animals i can think of now to have pincers are scorpions, thoigh they would be much better represented by their tails in any design

crustaceans are also often associated to red colour (even though most of them are not), you ask people to draw a crab and most of them are likely to colour it red, it may be no coinsidence krabby and crawdaunt are also red instead of the more common grey colour to my knowledge there are no red mantises (i may be wrong though)

hard body (mentioned several times on the page, emphasised by the steel typing) is also not a characteristic of mantises, but is very common in crustaceans

mantis shrimp: just like scizor's pincers containing steel, they also have mineralized clubs, that they beat their prey to unconciousness (and pieces) with (lets just say they use it like a weapon similar to scizor) i know it does not look like it but that's the beauty (and freedom) of art

hybrid designs have always been common other hybrid designs in gen 2: sentret, gligar, piloswine (and there are many more in other generations) a change of inspiration is not uncommon as well change of inspiration during evolution: dragonite dragonair, clamperl huntail, remoraid octillery

yeah if this is not enough to believe that the artist put a nice pair of crab pincers on a steel hard mantis and accidentally coloured it red (a colour mantises are not associated with at all) then.... i dont know what is then let's just keep pretending it was accidentally given crab-pincers and crab colour without the artist taking the slightest inspiration from crabs or crustaceans

imo it's a perfect fusion between mantidfly and a crab/crustacean

and one more time: the whole design may as well be a pun on mantis shrimp Lphits (talk) 02:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

i wrote this here are the users who deleted it seem to be not open to discussions Lphits (talk) 02:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for removing the content without a proper explanation, no edit warring intended. As Force Fire said, Scizor is clearly not a crustacean and I really don't think the evidence you've given is strong enough to connect it to mantis shrimp or any other crustacean. For every similarity, there are several more differences. It's anatomy is almost entirely insectoid and contains nothing unique to crustaceans; plenty of bugs, such as scorpions, have pincers, very much like Scizor's, and that's the most logical explanation. It's a bug with bug pincers. That's it. Landfish7 04:20, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

You can't just look at one thing a Pokemon has and say it is a certain animal, it needs more than just one thing. You're not going to look at Manectric's spikes and say it's a porcunine, when it's clearly a canine creature. Same here, Scizor is clearly not a crustacean in any way. Being red and having hard skin are small, vague details that could apply to any animal that are either red or have hard skin.--ForceFire 05:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

first of all thank you for taking the time to read it, second, sorry for the inconvenience

I understand, however it is a monster, it doesn't need to have the physical appearance of the animal it has references in its design did not say it was a crustacean, only said it had their some of features

clefairy is also not very much like a rabbit or tyranitar is not much like a tyrannosaurus (like it was stated) lickitung is not much like an iguanodon (just because it has tiny nails on where its thumb is supposed to be) magmar also has very little in common with a booby and given the design and the typing it definitely wouldn't be something I'd associate it with if its Japanese name wasn't booba it literally states it might be a mixture of booby (name), ducks (duck like beak) and salamanders (tail and fire typing) these are imo much more vague than linking Scizor's colour and pincers to lobsters and such why couldn't it be a combination of mantises AND crustaceans?

red coloured pincers, however is something many people would associate with crustaceans

i think the fact that the three animals have mantis-like features and behavior (and even their name includes mantis of has a reference to it) and it has obvious crab/lobster-like pincers (which is related to shrimps) are perhaps more than coincidental yes scorpions also have pincers, but if i want a reference to scorpions in my design, i'll surely go for the tail

again i did not say it was a crustacean, i am only saying it has their features the origin section is all guesses and assumptions and i think it is very much possible for it having a crustacean implemented in it's design, given the above mentioned similarities

this space is so small on a cell phone and i needed to keep rolling up and down to add stuff, sorry for the typos and other inconveniences

thanks for reading Lphits (talk) 06:02, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

the origin entry of drowzee also mention traits of elephants (the trunk i believe?) while it is very much just a tapir lol

anyway, these are monsters displaying characteristics of certain real life/fictional beings

red colour, hard skin and mantis shrimp aside: it may be included in Scizor's origin entry that its design may implement certain features of crustaceans(/scorpions). (i mean those pincers are very much like the animals in question and definitely NOT traits of mantises etc) as i mentioned it's key part of the design, it would be unwise to just ignore it when describing its origins. once again it's supposed to be a monster combined from multiple (often unrelated sources) Lphits (talk) 09:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Just because a lot of these Pokemon are amalgamations of various sources, doesn't mean you can just add whatever. It also still needs to make sense, Scizor is not a crustacean and doesn't look like one. If you say crab, people would be expecting a crab like creature, not something that just happens to have pincers, which isn't somethimg exclusive to crabs. Scorpion can be a bit believable as its an arachnid (not an insect, but close enough). Again, it needs more than just one thing in common with the animal, you're not going to say Salamence is a parrot because "wings".--ForceFire 09:56, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

you're not going to say Salamence is a parrot because "wings" erm... definitely not, wings come in all kinds of shapes and structures (bird, insect, bat, pterosaur) but pincers, whether they belong to a crustacean or scorpions, are very similar in looks, shape and structure so, it's not the same thing at all

crustaceans, insects and arachnids, are all arthropods though

also, species, genuses etc are irrelevant in the Pokemon franchise, they all just lay eggs (the only classification that suggests species are the egg groups) that is why, for example, gligar can have traits of both a bats and scorpions, two totally different animals that have nothing to do with each other or magmar which is (sorry for repeating it) stated to be a mix of booby, ducks and salamanders, two birds and an amphibian

with lots of pokemon it only takes one good reference to make it resemble something mantine and kites, you get rid of the tail and it won't be a kite anymore magnar and ducks, you remove the duckbill and it will cease all connections it was indicated to have to ducks you remove the baby from kangaskhan, the kangaroo-dinosaur and it'll stop looking like a kangaroo remove the large rabbit ears from nidorino and Nidoking and you won't associate to rabbits anymore

these are all obvious and decisive design elements so they change your way of looking at them, and it only takes to remove them to give them a completely different look (so we are safe to assume they were not put there randomly but were included with a purpose)

same with scizor's pincers

sorry for the ugly structure of my comments, I'm using my phone and it's a pita, the space to write in is also really small and makes it inconvenient to write a well-structured text

anyway, thank you for bearing with me, wish more people would share their thoughts on the matter as well, but... oh well Lphits (talk) 02:36, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

one last thing: it's Rpe-evolutions scyther is a mantis - dinosaur, it doesn't make sense to connect the two, yet the artist did

many pokemon are mixtures of unrelated things (animals, objects etc) can't see why scizor couldn't be a mixture of arthropods Lphits (talk) 02:39, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

You also wouldn't say Salamence is a parrot because it doesn't look like one, not just because the wings are of different structure. Same thing with Scizor, it's not a crustacean because it doesn't look like one. You're still only looking at one aspect of a Pokemon and trying to connect dots, when I've explained that having one thing in common isn't enough. Scorpions would be closer because it has pincers and is an arachnid (again, close enough to being insectoid). And just because people associate scorpions with their tail, doesn't mean scorpions no longer have pincers. Origins need more than one thing connecting it to an animal, otherwise we'd have people going "Cascoon has spikes, so it could be based on all these animals, that are clearly not cocoons or insects, but have spikes".--ForceFire 05:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

oh but please, what you're saying is totally not the same and is missing the point, you're examples are pretty random and (perhaps intentionally) way too vague

pincers are characteristics of crustaceans and scorpions, correct? perhaps there are more that i do not know of, that's 2 genuses, both arthropods

wings are characteristics of everything able to fly (yeah, even airplanes), wings are a collective name of any appendage used for flight and is used by a very wide range of animals

why don't you bring legs or eyes up as an example against pincers while we're at it? they're even more vague than wings or spikes

i would also like to point out that ever since the beginning of the discussion i have included scorpions in my reasoning (never said anything about disappearing pincers and such) and i never once wrote that scizor is a crustacean, i pointed out again and again, that it, indeed and undoubtedly, has pincers, which might be associated to either crustaceans OR scorpions, so it does, has feature of either of these it's not a crab, it's not a scorpion. just like gligar is neither a scorpion nor a bat, yet it still has their features, get what i mean?

crustaceans and mantises: arthropods use their foremost limbs to feed thats at least 2 things

crustaceans and scizor: arthropods (no such thing in pokemon but let's assume it is one) pincers thats at least 2 things

dinosaurs and mantises: erm... both have eyes? yet we have such a pokemon

please do not miss the point

once again, in case you missed: there are a bunch of pokemon which are obvious combinations of completely unrelated animals (or objects) (not sure why you're still onto the arachnid insecticide and connection thing)

or just show a picture of scizor to 20 random kids (or adults lol) and if less than half of them mention any kind of crustacean (or scorpion), then perhaps it really has nothing to do with them

does magmar look like a booby? or anything like a bird, physically, except for the seemingly duck like beak? yet, the booby and duck and other seabird references have been there for a very long time (been using bulbapedia for idk how many years) solely on the assumption that the Japanese name boober comes from the English booby, while, being a spitfire pokemon, it may as well be coming from the sound fire spotters make when they do their job, and the whole design might not be inspired by seabirds, but simply fire spitters and the karura (that was a good observation whoever made it)

it's really very contradicting that some pokemon are allowed to be called a combination of different, unrelated animals (despite not resembling them at all or just sharing a single trait), while others are not

if the otherwise quite reptilian magmar shares similarities to birds because of its beak and despite having like.. zero physical resemblance to birds, then, surely, the arthropod scizor may be allowed to have fellow arthropod (crustacean/scorpion) features as well? there are much more extreme combinations out there

cheers, have a nice day Lphits (talk) 12:32, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

please also note that just by being arthropods insects (mantises and so, Scizor), scorpions and crustaceans already have at least 3 things in common: exoskeleton, segmented body and jointed appendages

but again, these are monsters, the design elements not always have to have connection (then we couldn't have bulbasaur, paras and many more pokemon) and even though recent designs have a tendency to completely going for a single actual animal reference, and so can influence judgement on older designs, the latter often combined otherwise unrelated animals

thanks for the read, over and out Lphits (talk) 12:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

I mean we get it, it has pincers, and pincers are a trait of arthropods, but that feels more like something that fits in the biology section than the origin section. Its pincers aren't clearly based on any specific animal. We don't really need to do much more than state that it has pincers, which the biology section already has covered. Also I'd really consider keeping your comments about other Pokémon's origins on those Pokémon's specific talk pages. Let's try to keep the conversation focused on Scizor here. You keep saying "don't miss the point" but you're bringing up like 20 different points. I'd really suggest making your responses more concise and specific so we can have an actual conversation. It's hard to respond to what reads like a rant. Landfish7 13:16, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

thanks for your reply

anyway, not sure why it slipped my mind to mention it, i don't know where you guys are from, but in Japan and most of Asia mantis shrimp, being a delicacy, is a very common sight on seafood markets, so in this part of the world, scizor's design very much seems to be a pun on those words (don't forget that when scizor was designed the franchise was mostly aimed at Japanese and possibly also Taiwanese/HK and Korean audience) it may (or may not) be a cultural reference, that someone, let's say from Norway or Chicago may not think (know) of, and might just shrug off as not logical or not making sense, or being a stretch (which it may or may not be)

it is also not always necessary to look for too much logic and sense in a franchise that has monster in its name, where fish evolve into octopuses and where monsters based on animals from different genuses can breed

cheers Lphits (talk) 02:06, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

pun on the animal, not the words Lphits (talk) 02:29, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Not sure how much of that wall of text was relevant to the discussion, but the point is, origins should have more than just the one thing connecting it to the source. If we just let people add origins based off one thing, then it'd get out hand very quickly as there'll be some that will add ludicrous stuff.

In regards to Scizor, it's not a crustacean because it physically doesn't look like one. It's not some deep dive into biology or anatomy, it's just a simple observation. If you say something is a crab, people will expect a six legged creature with large pincers, not a bipedal insect with wings that just happens to have pincers.--ForceFire 05:46, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

last try guys, last try xD

they also seem to have other things in common

mantis shrimp (from wikipedia):

Unlike most crustaceans, they sometimes hunt, chase, and kill prey.

Some mantis shrimp species have specialised calcified "clubs" that can strike with great power

smash prey with heavily mineralised club-like appendage

the club is used to bludgeon and smash their meals apart

The speed of a raptorial appendage's strike causes cavitation bubbles to form. When those bubbles pop they release a large amount of heat, temporarily raising temperatures to near those at the surface of the sun (which may or may not be put in parallel with scizor overheating)

scizor (from bulbapedia and pokedex):

This Pokémon's pincers, which contain steel... blabla (mineralized clubs)

Its tough, heavy pincers are more suited to smashing enemies than grabbing them. (like a mantis shrimp)

Once it has identified something as an enemy, it will continue beating them with its steel-hard pincers until there's nothing left but scraps. (hunting down and killing prey)

cheers Lphits (talk) 06:27, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

about it not resembling crustaceans:

just like magmar may take inspiration from seabirds (without resembling them) and live near flowing lava instead of water just as a twist

scizor may be a mantis shrimp that looks more mantis than shrimp, because it may be meant as a pun Lphits (talk) 06:49, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

not even going to get into stuff like bullet punch (something that a mantis shrimp does) being its signature move, or that the red colour (colours again, sorry) may be a reference to both metals overheating and the common habit of crustaceans turning red upon being exposed to extreme heat Lphits (talk) 04:22, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Flying Scizor

The Pokédex has stated that Scizor cannot fly, instead using its wings to regulate body temperature. Despite this, Blue's Scizor can fly in Pokémon Adventures and Scizor is shown hovering in Legends: Arceus. Should this be added to the Biology section? ThePokéNerd1996 (talk) 17:41, 5 July 2023 (UTC)