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==No notes==
;In-battle form changes
{{MSP|0351|Castform}}{{MSP|0382|Kyogre}}{{MSP|0383|Groudon}}{{MSP|0555|Darmanitan}}{{MSP|0555G|Darmanitan}}{{MSP|0648|Meloetta}}{{MSP|0681|Aegislash}}{{MSP|0746|Wishiwashi}}{{MSP|0778|Mimikyu}}{{MSP|0845|Cramorant}}{{MSP|0875|Eiscue}}{{MSP|0877|Morpeko}}{{MSP|0964|Palafin}}{{MSP|1024|Terapagos}} Also all megas and G-Max forms, Complete Zygarde, and Ultra Necrozma
;Temporary cosmetic in-battle changes
{{MSP|0643|Reshiram}}{{MSP|0644|Zekrom}}{{MSP|0791|Solgaleo}}{{MSP|0792|Lunala}}{{MSP|0802|Marshadow}}
;Forms not usable in battle
{{MSP|0716|Xerneas}}{{MSP|0717|Yveltal}}{{MSP|0890|Eternatus}}{{MSP|0966|Revavroom}}{{MSP|1007|Koraidon}}{{MSP|1008|Miraidon}}
;Only distinction is the game's code
{{MSP|0664|Scatterbug}}{{MSP|0665|Spewpa}}{{MSP|0744|Rockruff}}
==Always: All forms==
==Always: All forms==


;Interchangeable forms
;Interchangeable forms


{{MSP|0412|Burmy}}{{MSP|0479|Rotom}}{{MSP|0585|Deerling}}{{MSP|0586|Sawsbuck}}{{MSP|0676|Furfrou}}{{MSP|0741|Oricorio}}{{MSP|0774|Minior}}{{MSP|0905|Enamorus}}{{MSP|1017|Ogerpon}} Can be in any of their forms when teaching a move (forms for Minior only refer to the color)
{{MSP|0412|Burmy}}{{MSP|0585|Deerling}}{{MSP|0586|Sawsbuck}}{{MSP|0649|Genesect}}{{MSP|0676|Furfrou}}{{MSP|0741|Oricorio}}{{MSP|0905|Enamorus}}{{MSP|1017|Ogerpon}} Can be in any of their forms when teaching a move


;Non-interchangeable forms
;Non-interchangeable forms


{{MSP|0201|Unown}}{{MSP|0422|Shellos}}{{MSP|0423|Gastrodon}}{{MSP|0666|Vivillon}}{{MSP|0669|Flabébé}}{{MSP|0671|Florges}}{{MSP|0710|Pumpkaboo}}{{MSP|0711|Gourgeist}}{{MSP|0801|Magearna}}{{MSP|0854|Sinistea}}{{MSP|0855|Polteageist}}{{MSP|0869|Alcremie}}{{MSP|0893|Zarude}}{{MSP|0925|Maushold}}{{MSP|0931|Squawkabilly}}{{MSP|0978|Tatsugiri}}{{MSP|0982|Dudunsparce}}{{MSP|0999|Gimmighoul}}{{MSP|1012|Poltchageist}}{{MSP|1013|Sinistcha}}
{{MSP|0201|Unown}}{{MSP|0422|Shellos}}{{MSP|0423|Gastrodon}}{{MSP|0666|Vivillon}}{{MSP|0669|Flabébé}}{{MSP|0671|Florges}}{{MSP|0710|Pumpkaboo}}{{MSP|0711|Gourgeist}}{{MSP|0774|Minior}}{{MSP|0801|Magearna}}{{MSP|0854|Sinistea}}{{MSP|0855|Polteageist}}{{MSP|0869|Alcremie}}{{MSP|0893|Zarude}}{{MSP|0925|Maushold}}{{MSP|0931|Squawkabilly}}{{MSP|0978|Tatsugiri}}{{MSP|0982|Dudunsparce}}{{MSP|0999|Gimmighoul}}{{MSP|1012|Poltchageist}}{{MSP|1013|Sinistcha}} Forms for Minior only refer to the color


;Gender differences
;Gender differences
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==When all forms share the move: All forms; otherwise specify==
==When all forms share the move: All forms; otherwise specify==


{{MSP|0678|Meowstic}}{{MSP|0849|Toxtricity}}{{MSP|0876|Indeedee}} Only a few non-shared moves, otherwise everything is the same
{{MSP|0386|Deoxys}} Pay attention to Gen III tutors


{{MSP|0413|Wormadam}} Except Giga Drain (the other forms learn it later on)
{{MSP|0678|Meowstic}}{{MSP|0876|Indeedee}} Significant enough movepool differences between genders
 
{{MSP|0849|Toxtricity}} Only for Venoshock/Venom Drench, Shift Gear/Magnetic Flux
 
{{MSP|0413|Wormadam}} Except Giga Drain, Solar Beam and Dig (the other forms learn it later on)


{{MSP|0888|Zacian}}{{MSP|0889|Zamazenta}} Only for Iron Head/Behemoth Blade/Behemoth Bash
{{MSP|0888|Zacian}}{{MSP|0889|Zamazenta}} Only for Iron Head/Behemoth Blade/Behemoth Bash


{{MSP|0773|Silvally}} Only for Draco Meteor
{{MSP|0773|Silvally}} Only for Draco Meteor
{{MSP|0898|Calyrex}} Rider forms know all the base form's moves, level-up moves remain learnable at the same level, Grassy Terrain and Aromatherapy are exceptions that will need to be noted


{{MSP|0916|Oinkologne}} Only difference is the level at which they learn the same moves
{{MSP|0916|Oinkologne}} Only difference is the level at which they learn the same moves


==Forms debuted in different games: All available forms?==
==Forms debuted in different games: All available forms==


{{MSP|0483|Dialga}}{{MSP|0484|Palkia}}{{MSP|0718|Zygarde}} Different debut generations, don't separate if it first learns the move in a game where all forms are available
{{MSP|0658|Greninja}}{{MSP|0658|Greninja}} Different debut generations and egg groups


{{MSP|0487|Giratina}}{{MSP|0492|Shaymin}}{{MSP|0641|Tornadus}}{{MSP|0642|Thundurus}}{{MSP|0645|Landorus}}{{MSP|0646|Kyurem}}{{MSP|0647|Keldeo}}{{MSP|0720|Hoopa}}{{MSP|0800|Necrozma}} Same debut generation, don't separate if the tutor is only available in the second version
{{MSP|0718|Zygarde}} Different debut generations, don't separate if it first learns the move in a Gen VII game, note "50% Forme" in Gen 6 sections


==Battle forms, no note==
{{MSP|0483|Dialga}}{{MSP|0484|Palkia}} Different debut generations, don't separate if it first learns the move in LA or SV


;Form changes
{{MSP|0479|Rotom}}{{MSP|0487|Giratina}}{{MSP|0492|Shaymin}} Same debut generation, don't separate if the move is first learned in PtHGSS


{{MSP|0351|Castform}}{{MSP|0382|Kyogre}}{{MSP|0383|Groudon}}{{MSP|0555|Darmanitan}}{{MSP|0555G|Darmanitan}}{{MSP|0648|Meloetta}}{{MSP|0681|Aegislash}}{{MSP|0746|Wishiwashi}}{{MSP|0778|Mimikyu}}{{MSP|0845|Cramorant}}{{MSP|0875|Eiscue}}{{MSP|0877|Morpeko}}{{MSP|0964|Palafin}}
{{MSP|0493|Arceus}} "All forms" would exclude the Pixie Plate in Gens IV and V (same approach for Draco Meteor as with Silvally)


;Temporary cosmetic changes
{{MSP|0641|Tornadus}}{{MSP|0642|Thundurus}}{{MSP|0645|Landorus}}{{MSP|0646|Kyurem}}{{MSP|0647|Keldeo}} Same debut generation, don't separate if the move is first learned in B2W2


{{MSP|0643|Reshiram}}{{MSP|0644|Zekrom}}{{MSP|0791|Solgaleo}}{{MSP|0792|Lunala}}{{MSP|0802|Marshadow}}
{{MSP|0720|Hoopa}} Same debut generation, don't separate if the move is first learned in ORAS
 
{{MSP|0800|Necrozma}} Same debut generation, don't separate if the move is first learned in USUM


==Forms not usable in battle, no note==
==Always separate==


{{MSP|0716|Xerneas}}{{MSP|0717|Yveltal}}{{MSP|0890|Eternatus}}{{MSP|0966|Revavroom}}
https://i.imgur.com/D1T9Tz7.png{{MSP|0550W|Basculin}} Different debut generations between Red/Blue (count as one) and White. Probably best to have only two entries: Red/Blue and White, since the first two existed for 12 years without the third, an overwhelming majority of the moves they learn will always have separate entries. Combining all three in a few cases is not worth the inconsistency. They could also introduce more forms in the future.


==Always separate==
{{MSP|0745|Lycanroc}}{{MSP|0745Mn|Lycanroc}}{{MSP|0745D|Lycanroc}} More drastic movepool differences, different game debuts within a generation


{{MSP|0658|Greninja}} Different debut generations and egg groups
{{MSP|0892|Urshifu}}{{MSP|0892|Urshifu}} More drastic type and movepool differences (possible it will receive different sprites in the future)


{{MSP|0745|Lycanroc}} More drastic movepool differences, different game debuts within a generation
{{MSP|0901|Ursaluna}}{{MSP|0901B|Ursaluna}} Different debut generations and drastic movepool differences (It would be good to have a form name for regular Ursaluna)


{{MSP|0892|Urshifu}} More drastic type and movepool differences
==Only note the form==


{{MSP|0901|Ursaluna}} Different debut generations and drastic movepool differences
{{MSP|025Pa|Pikachu}}{{MSP|133Pa|Eevee}} Only difference is the signature moves they can learn, so regular forms don't need an "All forms" note


==Undecided==
==Undecided==


{{MSP|0386|Deoxys}} Need more research on Gen 3 trade mechanics
{{MSP|0025|Pikachu}} What to do with the Cosplay and Capped Pikachu?
 
{{MSP|0550|Basculin}} Different debut generations between Red/Blue (count as one) and White, don't separate if it first learns the move in a game where all forms are available?


{{MSP|0670|Floette}}
[[File:Spr 4h 172N.png|link=Pichu (Pokémon)]] Should it be listed? Regular Pichu wouldn't have the "All forms" note similarly to Greninja and Ursaluna.


{{MSP|0898|Calyrex}} Ride forms know all the base form's moves
;Possible solution<nowiki>:</nowiki> use "All obtainable forms" for everything (that text would break after "All" so a whitespace parameter would have to specified in the entry templates)


{{MSP|0493|Arceus}} Pixie Plate (also Draco Meteor)
{{MSP|0670|Floette}} "All forms" would exclude Eternal Flower Floette

Latest revision as of 13:43, 5 January 2024

No notes

In-battle form changes

CastformKyogreGroudonDarmanitanDarmanitanMeloettaAegislashWishiwashiMimikyuCramorantEiscueMorpekoPalafinTerapagos Also all megas and G-Max forms, Complete Zygarde, and Ultra Necrozma

Temporary cosmetic in-battle changes

ReshiramZekromSolgaleoLunalaMarshadow

Forms not usable in battle

XerneasYveltalEternatusRevavroomKoraidonMiraidon

Only distinction is the game's code

ScatterbugSpewpaRockruff

Always: All forms

Interchangeable forms

BurmyDeerlingSawsbuckGenesectFurfrouOricorioEnamorusOgerpon Can be in any of their forms when teaching a move

Non-interchangeable forms

UnownShellosGastrodonVivillonFlabébéFlorgesPumpkabooGourgeistMiniorMagearnaSinisteaPolteageistAlcremieZarudeMausholdSquawkabillyTatsugiriDudunsparceGimmighoulPoltchageistSinistcha Forms for Minior only refer to the color

Gender differences

UnfezantFrillishJellicentPyroarBasculegion Siginficant enough aesthetic differences

When all forms share the move: All forms; otherwise specify

Deoxys Pay attention to Gen III tutors

MeowsticIndeedee Significant enough movepool differences between genders

Toxtricity Only for Venoshock/Venom Drench, Shift Gear/Magnetic Flux

Wormadam Except Giga Drain, Solar Beam and Dig (the other forms learn it later on)

ZacianZamazenta Only for Iron Head/Behemoth Blade/Behemoth Bash

Silvally Only for Draco Meteor

Calyrex Rider forms know all the base form's moves, level-up moves remain learnable at the same level, Grassy Terrain and Aromatherapy are exceptions that will need to be noted

Oinkologne Only difference is the level at which they learn the same moves

Forms debuted in different games: All available forms

GreninjaGreninja Different debut generations and egg groups

Zygarde Different debut generations, don't separate if it first learns the move in a Gen VII game, note "50% Forme" in Gen 6 sections

DialgaPalkia Different debut generations, don't separate if it first learns the move in LA or SV

RotomGiratinaShaymin Same debut generation, don't separate if the move is first learned in PtHGSS

Arceus "All forms" would exclude the Pixie Plate in Gens IV and V (same approach for Draco Meteor as with Silvally)

TornadusThundurusLandorusKyuremKeldeo Same debut generation, don't separate if the move is first learned in B2W2

Hoopa Same debut generation, don't separate if the move is first learned in ORAS

Necrozma Same debut generation, don't separate if the move is first learned in USUM

Always separate

D1T9Tz7.pngBasculin Different debut generations between Red/Blue (count as one) and White. Probably best to have only two entries: Red/Blue and White, since the first two existed for 12 years without the third, an overwhelming majority of the moves they learn will always have separate entries. Combining all three in a few cases is not worth the inconsistency. They could also introduce more forms in the future.

LycanrocLycanrocLycanroc More drastic movepool differences, different game debuts within a generation

UrshifuUrshifu More drastic type and movepool differences (possible it will receive different sprites in the future)

UrsalunaUrsaluna Different debut generations and drastic movepool differences (It would be good to have a form name for regular Ursaluna)

Only note the form

PikachuEevee Only difference is the signature moves they can learn, so regular forms don't need an "All forms" note

Undecided

Pikachu What to do with the Cosplay and Capped Pikachu?

Spr 4h 172N.png Should it be listed? Regular Pichu wouldn't have the "All forms" note similarly to Greninja and Ursaluna.

Possible solution: use "All obtainable forms" for everything (that text would break after "All" so a whitespace parameter would have to specified in the entry templates)

Floette "All forms" would exclude Eternal Flower Floette